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Darkside Rising

Posted: Thu, 9th Aug 2007, 1:27pm

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Lord Kaan, having thousands of sith followers, is planning to corrupt all of the Jedi in the galaxy. Starting with the academy on Dantooine, he is planting seeds of hate in the younglings. Darth Krokus, a former Jedi named Arn-Ti BuWill, has decided to aid in this. His former master, May-Gar, will stop at nothing after finding out who Krokus really is. With her taking action, she must put a stop to this.

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Posted: Thu, 9th Aug 2007, 4:34pm

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Effects were cool I just didnt understand it at all.
Posted: Thu, 9th Aug 2007, 9:26pm

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The only thing to understand is that it is coming out(hopefully) in the Fall of this year...... wink Estimated to be about 40 mins long. Then, it will explain itself and be understood.
*Not trying to sound rude.

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Posted: Thu, 9th Aug 2007, 9:48pm

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I would have sped up the footage to double first of all.

The trailer didn't express a full thought other than fighting with light sabers.

The green screen was alright and it did look a good bit like Star Wars unlike some films.

Over All: OK
Posted: Thu, 9th Aug 2007, 10:39pm

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Hey nice effort i thought it was pretty well done... but i do have some constructive criticism.

Story
The point of a trailer is to get people to want to watch it. A trailer needs to reveal some information into the story yet not reveal the whole story. What you have done is just compiled a bunch shots from your film and added music. Its hard to tell what the plot is, who is the good/bad guys are, and what the whole purpose of your film.

Effects/Cinematography/Sound
Your light saber effects were quite good at some point and then at others they were terrible. I see that you tried to put in the fanning effect but it lasts way to long and is obvious. The best visual effects are the ones you don't notice, or you don't think about you just accept them as the are. But with the fanning effect you had it took several seconds it to catch up with the blade and distracts the eye and has the viewer wondering what's wrong with that and not i like this trailer. The blades also take too long to open.

The cinematography was decent except it had too many long/far away shots of people just standing there with no action and most people want to see action in a star wars film. Far away shots are good but you need to mix them in with medium shots and close ups. This adds emotion and excitement in to the shot. But overall i thought the cinematography was pretty good.

Last but not least is the sound. I personaly would not have chosen that song I didnt think it fit with the footage you shot. Music is just as important in a movie as the video seen as music casuses emotion. I also had a hard time understanding what the people were saying it was too low and distorted. This made it a strain to watch because you were trying to figure out what they said.

That being said i thought it was a decent attempt and hope to see the full thing come fall.
Posted: Fri, 10th Aug 2007, 12:29am

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I would have to agree with the last poster. I was kina like a "hey look what we did" type of teaser/trailer. Although those are nice of you and your cast, it would be nice to see some plot or hint of a plot. It just when watching. As far as the effects go, I think they need a little work. Watch star wars or Highlander....angles are so important when doing sword fighting. Especially when doing Light Sabers. The wrong angle on a shot makes the light saber not look right. I saw that a few times. I hope I am explaining myself. Anyways good luck on your Star wars adventure. I will say this, it seems you are putting some thought into the costumes and locations for shooting. It's a breathe of fresh air from the fubu shirt, jeans and nike shoes from the backyard that we normaly see up here.
Posted: Fri, 10th Aug 2007, 6:19am

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Well, the music seemed to drown out any dialogue that was in there. And like epeterson said, the rotoscoping seemed to be a little off. But one thing that really seemed to put the feeling of Star Wars off was the lack of John Williams' original score, or even just an instrumental.

It just doesn't seem right to have Rock music in a Star Wars fan film.
Posted: Fri, 10th Aug 2007, 11:46am

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Thanks a bunch for you thoughts and input. This is the first time I've ever done anything like this. I think my problem is that I'm so wrapped up in the making, and thinking "how cool this is", and watching for mistakes, that I'm not looking at the finished products from the outside, as other people see it. I did 'over exaggerate' the lightsaber blurs on purpose, just to leave a long trail across the screen, to be different..... But thanks for your help and suggestions. If we decide to make any more, I'll remember to look for those things. As of right now, it is too late to make some of those changes. I'll try to put together another trailer to back the story up.
Posted: Fri, 10th Aug 2007, 1:59pm

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I'm not sure about copyrights in the country you are in, but in the US, that trailer violates the copyright on the music. As a student, you can bend the rules to 30 seconds of music clips to use in your portfolio, but cannot broadcast on any network. (IE internet, TV) I think you should try and find musical scores that do not violate any copyrights and still have the effect you are looking for. If you want rock, find a local band and point out that if they let you use their music they are getting free exposure. Just make sure they are good.
Posted: Fri, 10th Aug 2007, 3:15pm

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Helios9k wrote:

I'm not sure about copyrights in the country you are in, but in the US, that trailer violates the copyright on the music. As a student, you can bend the rules to 30 seconds of music clips to use in your portfolio, but cannot broadcast on any network. (IE internet, TV) I think you should try and find musical scores that do not violate any copyrights and still have the effect you are looking for. If you want rock, find a local band and point out that if they let you use their music they are getting free exposure. Just make sure they are good.
It violates the copyright of the artist if you put his or her work into your project, and sell your project for money. There is nothing against putting other people's music in your project if you are doing it for mere entertainment.

I live in the U.S., and CyberLeech205's trailer does NOT violate anything. And plus CyberLeech205 lives in the U.S., so he would know all full and well that he isn't violating anything...

It would do you good to look at other people's profiles.
Posted: Sun, 12th Aug 2007, 2:10am

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Riese wrote:

I will say this, it seems you are putting some thought into the costumes and locations for shooting. It's a breathe of fresh air from the fubu shirt, jeans and nike shoes from the backyard that we normaly see up here.
Thanks for noting that. All of the Jedi costumes and robes and sith robes were handmade by us, along with some of the other costumes of the 'extras'.
The locations seem to be really hard to find. Picking the 'right spot' for a scene is a little more difficult than I ever imagined. Right now, your seeing locations from the states of Delaware and Mississippi, and some bluescreen work.
Posted: Sun, 12th Aug 2007, 10:52pm

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kingofbladesdv wrote:

It violates the copyright of the artist if you put his or her work into your project, and sell your project for money. There is nothing against putting other people's music in your project if you are doing it for mere entertainment.

I live in the U.S., and CyberLeech205's trailer does NOT violate anything. And plus CyberLeech205 lives in the U.S., so he would know all full and well that he isn't violating anything...

It would do you good to look at other people's profiles.
It would do you good to actually get some knowledge before you give out false information.
You're absolutely wrong with what you just wrote, sorry there.

It's a big internet myth, that copyright rules only apply when you SELL something. In fact - the act of PUBLISHING someone elses work PUBLICLY, which applies in the case of putting it online for download, is a violation of copyright rules. That applies for most copyright rules in most civil countries, including the US.

So yes, strictly lawful speaking, the video DOES violate copyright unless Cyberleech has paid a fee for the publishing rights.


The video itself was a bit odd I thought. Seemed more like a collection of experimental shots rather then a trailer. The cinematography was pretty unimaginative, mostly long shots. I recommend you go into some basic camera techniques and info on proper shot composition.
Effectwork was alright, sometimes good. A close 3 stars.
Posted: Mon, 13th Aug 2007, 3:09pm

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In my defence, I have done my homework on copyrights.

Copyright and the Public Domain

Authors own the exclusive rights to their compositions. This is called a copyright, and the composition is protected for many years--even if the copyright is never registered with the copyright office. A composition is considered to be "intellectual property" The copyright may be sold, transferred, or inherited--but the copyright still endures. If any music or lyrics are still under copyright protection

you CANNOT reproduce the music or lyrics
you CANNOT distribute the music or lyrics either for free, for no profit, or for profit
you CANNOT perform the music or lyrics in public
you CANNOT play a recording of the music or lyrics in public--even if you own the CD
you CANNOT make a derivative work or arrangement for public use in any form
Legally a copyright means that a musician, author, or artist has a "limited duration monopoly" on anything he creates. The US Constitution grants the government power "to promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries." (Article 1 Section 8, US Constitution). To legally enforce an author's claim to his copyright, his work must be registered with the copyright office. Registering a composition provides public notification of copyright, and you cannot use the composition publicly unless you pay royalties--which can be substantial. If you use a song under copyright without the owner's permission, you are subject to legal repercussions.

That clip is from
http://www.pdinfo.com/copyrt.htm

The Government site has available for download the whole section on copyrights.
http://www.copyright.gov/title17/
Posted: Mon, 13th Aug 2007, 4:16pm

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well.. it looked alright but i saw some of the lightsabers looked very odd and there were also some masking errors. But never mind that. it looked fine smile 3 stars
Posted: Mon, 13th Aug 2007, 5:59pm

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I'm sorry to say, that this made absolutely no sense to me. What was going on? I'm not judging this for quality of film, or special effects though. Thats not my thing. Because alot of people including myself are new at this. So 2 judge it on what the Vision Lab, Effects, & Composite Programs are cabale of is just wrong. This is suppose to be a trailer for either a short or feature length film. And in a trailer, the whole point is to basically sell the movie. You have to make people want to see it in 1 to 2 minutes. And at this you have failed. There didn't seem to be a plot, nor was there much going on. There was no dialogue to accommodate what was happening either. I'm not sure who said it, but it does seem more like test runs, rather than a trailer to a movie you were producing.

Next time try to tell the plot of the story in the trailer. This should help.

But keep working at it. Your better at the SFX than I am, so Im jealous smile
Posted: Tue, 14th Aug 2007, 11:06am

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Helios9k wrote:



you CANNOT reproduce the music or lyrics
you CANNOT distribute the music or lyrics either for free, for no profit, or for profit
you CANNOT perform the music or lyrics in public
you CANNOT play a recording of the music or lyrics in public--even if you own the CD
you CANNOT make a derivative work or arrangement for public use in any form
All of those things happen daily...."Cover bands"(local bands) get noticed by playing "in public" other peoples music. They never have permission from the author to do so. And what about a party D J that has hundreds of cd's that are played 'publicly' when he's hired??? DJs don't get copyright permission. That's been going on for as long as recording music has existed. Even still, surt YOUTUBE.COM and you'll find thousands of music copyright violations. They're not being sued or anything. Most of those movies don't even give credits at the end.That' all I'm saying about it.
Really, I don't see this trailer having any problems with anyone from the band 'Hellyeah' for playing their song in the background. If they do have a problem, I'm sure I'll be the first to know. wink
Posted: Tue, 14th Aug 2007, 11:20am

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Using copyrighted music is illegal, period. Many people do it, many people never get into trouble for it. We're not debating wheter "others do it as well" or not or try to crucify you. You can see there's a number of fxhome movies that breach copyright (including some of my earlier work, I might add).
I was merely responding to kingofbladesdv's entirely wrong claims. I'm only strictly speaking law.

No matter what "others do" or what "might happen". Publishing copyrighted material without permission is illegal. That's just how it is. Justification this or that.

DJs don't get copyright permission.
In most cases, they don't have to. The CLUB has to pay royalty rights.
Posted: Tue, 14th Aug 2007, 11:40am

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I'm not really sure how to review this. Is it meant to be a teaser or a trailer? Its clearly not meant to be the finished film, but what is it meant to be?

I ask, because frankly its a bit poor. One decent point however, is the sabers, which for some reason are actually slightly cool. The slight delay, leaving trails and general unlike-starwars-ness of them is actually quite watchable, but I'm inclined to think this result was purely accidental.

As people have mentioned before, its like a bunch of tests. You have shots of people posing in ridiculous, exaggerated stances with silly expressions and for utterly no reason. Starwars isn't about posing or grimmacing while holding a lightsaber 3 metres away from your chest.

At no point does this footage explain who anyone is, what they're fighting about, what the larger plot is, where it is, or give the viewer any of the entry-level information that they need to feel anything about this film.

As a whole, it looks like you've taken all of the underlying cool stuff from starwars, got really, really, really excited about it then tried to make a movie about the cool stuff - not about the actual universe itself.

Based on this footage, I shall not be watching the final movie.
Posted: Tue, 14th Aug 2007, 5:04pm

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Helios9k, I would recommend that you not attempt to render legal advice to others unless you are licensed to do it. You can copy every little word out of the entire federal code pertaining to copyright law, but if you do not understand how it all works together it is useless.

CyberLeech205, you need to learn about BMI, ASCAP and SESAC to answer your statements as to clubs and cover bands. Blanket license (street term) is what you need to learn about.

There are entirely too many issues, loopholes, licenses and a variety of other legal means to use copyrighted work, to even attempt to answer the statements made in this post.

Basic rule - usage of copyrighted material without permission from the copyright holder = probably, improper usage.
Posted: Tue, 14th Aug 2007, 10:03pm

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Xcession wrote:

I'm not really sure how to review this. Is it meant to be a teaser or a trailer? Its clearly not meant to be the finished film, but what is it meant to be?
Answer: "I guess just a teaser. As the sound is no where near close to being added to many of the clips used. I made this to let people know that I'm just expressing my work in progress."

Xcession wrote:


...but I'm inclined to think this result was purely accidental.
Answer. "Definately NOT!!!!!! I KNEW THE BLURS WERE OVER DONE. I rotoscoped many shorter clips to know how many frames would be "over doing it", and that's what I set out to do. BE DIFFERENT!"

Xcession wrote:


As people have mentioned before, its like a bunch of tests. You have shots of people posing in ridiculous, exaggerated stances.....
Answer. "We don't even know how to sword fight. LOL. We're just doing whatever fits at that moment. Not much thought was put into this. Only one of our cast members has a martial arts background. The rest is just made up. We're not pros. We're not trying to be pros. Just to know that people are actually taking notice of this is satisfying. Not to mention, the people are actually taking time to give me advice on how to make it better. For that, I can't begin to tell you how wonderful and thankful we are for the comments and advice."

Xcession wrote:


At no point does this footage explain who anyone is.....
Answer. "Sorry, still learning the basics."

Xcession wrote:


As a whole, it looks like you've taken all of the underlying cool stuff from starwars, got really, really, really excited about it then tried to make a movie....
Answer. "Yes, we have. Yes, we are excited about it. Not tried, but are making a movie. To make a movie about the Star Wars universe itself, well, that would be boring to me. It would be like Star Trek or something. I'm not after recreating the universe, just the cool powers and weapons. Don't get me wrong, the universe of Star Wars is great and interesting, but that's not what our movie is about. Just a story of a time in the old republic, of an event that could have happened. To me, movies are your own visions of something you want to express to an audience. Whether or not it's good, is just an opinion given by the audience. Taking someone else's idea,(George Lucas), and turning it into your liking or your own perception, is what fan films are all about. Not to copy the original author exactly. No one can do that.(well they could, but to me that would be boring)

"I will agree that I screwed up making this 'trailer'. The main reason, is that the dialouges and most of the sound hasn't been added yet. So I guess I've released this 'trailer' prematurely. For that, I appologize to anyone expecting something greater than what they see. I'm not trying to me a great director or actor, I just enjoy participating in something that is connected world wide. It seems that alot of people enjoy copying their favorite actors/directors/movies, and other things, making their own version of it, and posting it on the internet at sites that allow movies to be posted. I'm well aware that this isn't a site like 'youtube', but I would like the fxhome team to know what I am learning to do with their software. After all, that is why they created this Cinema section of their website."

Xcession wrote:


Based on this footage, I shall not be watching the final movie.
"And that's good to know. I don't expect everyone that views this trailer to be like, 'wow. i gotta watch that when it comes out'."
Posted: Wed, 15th Aug 2007, 9:27am

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Excellent reply. You pass the Xcession test.

One point I do feel needs more discussion however is,

I'm not after recreating the universe, just the cool powers and weapons
So is it, or isn't it a Starwars movie? This particular reasoning is usually adopted by overly keen starwars film-makers, who have so little substance and so little plot, that they like to pretend its deliberately shallow. I simply don't believe you.

I'd say probably the single reason why Starwars is as popular as it is, is its variety in characters and themes. The whole feudal-cum-monastic chivalrous jedi stuff is cool too, but is just a plot device. All the posturing, the swinging of sabers melodramatically, the grimacing....thats just aimed at the kids. It doesn't serve a purpose in the films, except as a passing illustration of how arcane the jedi are.

Starwars is a drama, not a sci-fi. The sci-fi is coincidence. To rob a Starwars movie of all but the sci-fi, makes it no longer a Starwars movie at all.

Effectively, you're saying your film is solely about a plot device. You're basically confusing what is purely incidental and entirely lacking in substance, with being actual, meaty content - and it just isn't. You might as well do an action movie about tatty white vests. Die Hard isn't about the vest. It helps colour his character, but thats all.

Movies are about a vision. But vision has to be turned into content. You can't express anything meaningful to an audience by only using tired, really tired, set-pieces and cliches like posing and swishing sabers.

Whatever your vision is with this film, as a huge, huge starwars fan, I feel compelled to warn you that most people see through all the sci-fi stuff. If it lacks plot, then it lacks plot and no amount of force lightning and sabers can make up for it.

"Whether its good or not" is therefore not a matter of opinion: if something is bad, its bad. If you're happy with what you've done, then I'm happy for you, but if an audience unanimously thinks your work stinks - thats still not opinion: It is fact and it is cause for improvement, even if you like what you've done.

I'm hoping that you've used the "just the cool powers" as a temporary excuse while you work on the substance. It looks like you've got the requisit level of enthusiasm in Starwars, I'm just hoping the final movie will be more than an extended saber test shot.
Posted: Wed, 15th Aug 2007, 11:16am

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Xcession wrote:


One point I do feel needs more discussion however is,

I'm not after recreating the universe, just the cool powers and weapons
So is it, or isn't it a Starwars movie? This particular reasoning is usually adopted by overly keen starwars film-makers, who have so little substance and so little plot, that they like to pretend its deliberately shallow. I simply don't believe you.
Okay. It is a "Star Wars" Knock-Off. It has plot. Little drama, but not as much as a box office movie. I have some writing skills, but none like that. If I did, I would be in Hollywood trying to make that my living.
So to continue the discussion, I wanted to re-create my favorite parts of the Star Wars elements without being technical. Personaly, if a Sci-Fi movie goes off on a long'technology tangent' about how something futuristic works and it's background story, I loose interest quickly. I'm not saying that that's bad, it's just not interesting to me. I love to see how technology is made and put together, but I could careless about how the molocules interact to create energy. But that's a whole other subject. I've recreated, the best I could with what I had, different planet settings and a possible event that could have taken place.
I'm definately not a shallow writer. Maybe lack of some things not explained, but not shallow. The plot of the movie is not shallow. Narrow and to the point. It has a good lineage.(I think)

My question to you is,(Xcession) if you don't plan to view the final product, why have you asked so many questions? If your not interested in what I've done here, than why further this topic? Is it just to give me a hard time or are you really trying to be helpful?
Posted: Wed, 15th Aug 2007, 11:32am

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My question to you is,(Xcession) if you don't plan to view the final product, why have you asked so many questions? If your not interested in what I've done here, than why further this topic? Is it just to give me a hard time or are you really trying to be helpful?
I'm just trying to make you think more about what you're doing and your approaches to film-making in general. Its help, of a sort, but more by making you question yourself, rather than by giving you explicit instructions.

I'll take your word for it if you say the writing is decent - I may even watch the full thing. I'd just like to think members of fxhome were always trying their hardest and making something the fxhome community would want to see: you are, after all, going to showcase it on the FXHome cinema, so it would be a missed opportunity (and a lot of fxhomers' time wasted) to do something purely for yourself.
Posted: Wed, 15th Aug 2007, 4:38pm

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Sollthar wrote:

I was merely responding to kingofbladesdv's entirely wrong claims.
Actually, my (user) name is kingofbladeslv...

But I'm sure that was an honest mistake... Perhaps I should remove the "lv" part.
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Xcession wrote:


I'm just trying to make you think more about what you're doing and your approaches to film-making in general. Its help, of a sort, but more by making you question yourself, rather than by giving you explicit instructions.

I'll take your word for it if you say the writing is decent - I may even watch the full thing. I'd just like to think members of fxhome were always trying their hardest and making something the fxhome community would want to see: you are, after all, going to showcase it on the FXHome cinema, so it would be a missed opportunity (and a lot of fxhomers' time wasted) to do something purely for yourself.
I enjoy your insights and help. You have made me think more on certain concepts and I really don't want anyone to feel that I've wasted their time. I fully understand that if people are going to 'showcase' something, then they should have giving it all they can. I would have to say, that I'm giving it everything I'm capable of at this point in time. As you know, the more you do something, the better you get at it.

"I am trying, master."
---Anakin Skywalker
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CyberLeech205 wrote:

Xcession wrote:


I'm just trying to make you think more about what you're doing and your approaches to film-making in general. Its help, of a sort, but more by making you question yourself, rather than by giving you explicit instructions.

I'll take your word for it if you say the writing is decent - I may even watch the full thing. I'd just like to think members of fxhome were always trying their hardest and making something the fxhome community would want to see: you are, after all, going to showcase it on the FXHome cinema, so it would be a missed opportunity (and a lot of fxhomers' time wasted) to do something purely for yourself.
I enjoy your insights and help. You have made me think more on certain concepts and I really don't want anyone to feel that I've wasted their time.
You have a really good response to criticism. You'll go farther in a shorter amount of time than someone who keeps defending their work at nauseum.
Posted: Thu, 16th Aug 2007, 11:38am

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Garrison wrote:


You have a really good response to criticism. You'll go farther in a shorter amount of time than someone who keeps defending their work at nauseum.
Thanks. biggrin
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Hear, Hear. Responding calmly, appropriately and at reasonable length dignifies the time a critic took to provide his/her thoughts. In a peer-reviewed community, it pays to keep everyone on your side.