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The Dark Knight moves into the light

Posted: Fri, 17th Aug 2007, 11:57am

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More photos for the next Batman flick are beginning to appear. While the Joker and his henchmen are looking fantastic the changes to the Batsuit aren't quite working for me. The shoulder pads look rather stuck on and remind me of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles outfits from the 90s... I generally enjoyed "Batman Begins" but am expecting a much better ride from the sequel. Are you guys looking forward to it?

See the images here!
Posted: Fri, 17th Aug 2007, 12:22pm

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I got the same vibe from the updated batsuit, it certainly looks a bit more TMNT now... unsure
Posted: Fri, 17th Aug 2007, 1:39pm

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Yeah I'm really not sure about the new Bat Suit, but in all fairness I was completely unconvinced about the Tumbler until I saw it in action, so I'm sure there's a good reason for the suit to look that way. I have faith in Nolan smile
Posted: Fri, 17th Aug 2007, 4:20pm

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I can't wait for the next Batman film, the images look pretty fantastic, wasn't sure about the Batpod thing when I first saw it, but with Batman scooting around on it, its beginning to look cool.

Turns out they're replacing Katie Holmes with Rachel McAdams as well, I wasn't a fan of Katie in the first once, lets hope Rachel can do a better job or being the femme fatale.
Posted: Fri, 17th Aug 2007, 5:06pm

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Actually they've replaced her with Maggie Gyllenhall ( I think Rachel McAdams was the character's name), which REALLY bothers me. Not that I have a problem with her, she's a fantastic and beautiful actress, I just absolutely HATE it when they cast a different actor as the same character. I know recastings can't be helped most of the time but why not just change the character? It really breaks the illusion sad
Posted: Fri, 17th Aug 2007, 9:31pm

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Hmm, the images seem to be offline...
Posted: Fri, 17th Aug 2007, 10:02pm

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Yeah, I'm getting an error when I click your links Tarn.
Posted: Fri, 17th Aug 2007, 11:11pm

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Works fine here.

Personally I think the bat suit looks a ton better in this one. It actually looks like armor, instead of a big rubber suit... seeing as it resists bullets and fire and whatnot, that makes a lot more sense to me.
Posted: Fri, 17th Aug 2007, 11:13pm

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Schwar posted it, and the links work fine for me.

I love TMNT costumes, but not for Batman. I definitely agree. Looks like something a talented geek put together for something like Comic-Con. Doesn't bother me too much though, I just don't see why they were son inclined to downgrade it... @Pooky's comment: I think the last one looks more tough. This looks more like plastic, or fiberglass, or something. That's just me though, and I'm sure it will look better in motion.

Also is "The Dark Night" the final title? I wouldn't mind it as a subtitle, but I think Batman should be included, at least for convenience...

Rachel Dawes is Maggie Gyllenhall's character's name. Rachel McAdams is another actress.

Also, I lol'd at this pic:

http://www.x-realms.net/forums/uploads/1187127180/gallery_9_116_9449.jpg
Posted: Sat, 18th Aug 2007, 12:53am

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That's exactly what I'm saying. What's more bulletproof, rubber or fiberglass? I think it's more logical for him to be wearing armor than a gimp suit.

Anyway if you notice in the pic you just posted with the two batmans, he appears to be wearing the old suit... so I guess he starts out with it and then upgrades it for some reason.
Posted: Sat, 18th Aug 2007, 1:29am

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I never had the opinion that the old one looked like rubber. Unless it truly was rubber. If so, then I suppose a fiberglass material would be more bulletproof as they make some bullet resistant materials out of it. Though harvesting spider web materials would be cool, to put underneath rubber... Still, I like the old one more.
Posted: Sat, 18th Aug 2007, 10:09pm

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I'm really not sure about the new Joker. On one side it's great they try something different, because obviously, you just can't beat Jack Nicholson. But then again, with doing something different, you just can't beat Jack Nicholson.
I guess it comes down to the one fact you just can't beat Jack Nicholson...

But I'm excited to see what they do with him.
Posted: Sun, 19th Aug 2007, 1:25am

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The suit in Begins isn't rubber its that special material made by Wayne Enterprises. I think it just looks like that cause he added many layers of paint.

Also is that picture with the two batmans from the movie?
Posted: Sun, 19th Aug 2007, 8:05am

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Stepladder wrote:

Actually they've replaced her with Maggie Gyllenhall ( I think Rachel McAdams was the character's name), which REALLY bothers me. Not that I have a problem with her, she's a fantastic and beautiful actress, I just absolutely HATE it when they cast a different actor as the same character. I know recastings can't be helped most of the time but why not just change the character? It really breaks the illusion sad
Well, I hate the actor-switch-same-character thing too. It cheapens every movie they do it in. Although, in all honesty, I think Warners completely pulled Holmes out of the sequel when her marriage caused so much ruckus during 'Begins' release. So, poor Nolan and the casting had to either write her out or find someone else. I don't think any actress could have been better or had more of a likeness to Holmes as Gyllenhal has. It's rather remarkable, actually. I almost get angry at WB for doing it, and it reminds me of 'Entourage' when (fictionally) the WB recasts Jake Gyllenhal as Aquaman in A2 instead of my boy Vinny Chase. smile (And that's a TV show and it pissed me off. smile)

The bat suit isn't at all to my liking, neither is the BatCave. (Anyone notice it? Cave wall sides with recessed, office-like, fluorescent-lit celings? Bleh. I was hoping for more underground railroad-ish stuff.)

But, knowing Nolan and how well 'Begins' worked, I'm sure we'll all smile at how ridiculously, entertainingly explained/justified each modification is in the final film.

Oh, and from the pics, including the one where he's ripping into a van door, he's wearing the old suit. (Which I initially wasn't a fan of either until the movie.) Nolan said in the BTS of 'Begins' that it was always the intent to have him start with a more conventional/old-Batman-movie cowl and slowly movie into a more moveable one. And as the new TMNT suit looks, he probably needs some urban-warfare suit mods for.............well.........urban warfare. smile

Loving every second of the Joker.
Posted: Sun, 19th Aug 2007, 9:05am

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The one thing I think improves with the new suit is the eyes. I love how you can't see his eyes now.
Posted: Sun, 19th Aug 2007, 4:15pm

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the Fiddler wrote:

Yeah, I'm getting an error when I click your links Tarn.
Hey, it's nothing to do with me, I didn't post this article!razz
Posted: Sun, 19th Aug 2007, 7:15pm

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But you're the almighty-fixer-of-things. smile
Posted: Sun, 19th Aug 2007, 8:47pm

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I've been out of town. smile

I am now back, however, and thusly the news link is now miraculously fixed. wink
Posted: Mon, 20th Aug 2007, 12:24am

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I've got a bad feeling about the next Batman.
Posted: Mon, 20th Aug 2007, 8:00am

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Sollthar wrote:

I guess it comes down to the one fact you just can't beat Jack Nicholson...
Indeed, but I don't think it's really an issue or a problem. Jack Nicholson's Joker was very much Jack Nicholson rather than The Joker, if you see what I mean. It was also more like the pantomime villains from the TV show than a genuinely believable character - not a bad thing, as it worked fantastically well in Burton's Batmans.

Nolan's got the opportunity to do something fresh and interesting with the character, maybe closer to the genuine psychopath seen in some of the actual comics. I'm hoping he'll be actually scary, which Nicholson's Batman never was.

As for the suit, there was a much better shot released a couple of months back:

http://www.slashfilm.com/2007/06/18/high-resolution-batmans-new-suit/

The suit itself I quite like, as somebody else said it gives the impression of proper armour. Although I dislike the general idea of redesigning the suit so much - the constant redesigns in the Burton/Schumacher films became swiftly annoying and unnecessary: the suit is supposed to be iconic, it shouldn't need constant fiddling.

What I don't like, however, is the cowl, which looks oddly large and bulky. It makes the top of his head look oddly huge.

Still, I have high hopes for the film, as I loved Batman Begins in just about every way possible.
Posted: Mon, 20th Aug 2007, 8:13am

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Tarn wrote:

Although I dislike the general idea of redesigning the suit so much - the constant redesigns in the Burton/Schumacher films became swiftly annoying and unnecessary: the suit is supposed to be iconic, it shouldn't need constant fiddling.
I remember when they put nipples on the suits... oh God!
Posted: Mon, 20th Aug 2007, 4:18pm

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I noticed on the official site they have a Harvey Dent advertisement.

Isn't that Two-Face?

Guess he's going to be in the movie as well.
Posted: Tue, 21st Aug 2007, 4:45am

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JUIDAR wrote:

I noticed on the official site they have a Harvey Dent advertisement.

Isn't that Two-Face?

Guess he's going to be in the movie as well.
Read:

Minutes ago, the capacity crowd at Wizard World Chicago was treated to the first look at “The Dark Knight”.....

SEMI-SPOILERS!!!!
....(Highlight to read next part)


Two major additions to the speculation that Two Face will appear in the film came in the form of a single shot of a spinning 50 cent piece and the final image: after the action montage has slowed down, the camera cuts to a bartender looking at Harvey Dent, whose only onscreen presence is his left shoulder and a bit of a reddish-purple scarred neck. “Dent! I thought you were dead!” the man gasps, to which Harvey replies, “Half.”
Link: http://www.wizarduniverse.com/movies/dark_knight/005607875.cfm
Posted: Tue, 21st Aug 2007, 2:58pm

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Tarn wrote:

What I don't like, however, is the cowl, which looks oddly large and bulky. It makes the top of his head look oddly huge.
I believe they made it that way to allow him to turn his head. If you notice in all the batman movies so far, he always whirls his whole body around to turn his head, because the headpiece was attached to the shoulders.
Posted: Tue, 21st Aug 2007, 3:07pm

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Yeah, that's definitely a good change. But that doesn't really explain the oddly large forehead/brain area.
Posted: Tue, 21st Aug 2007, 3:21pm

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Oh. Sorry, I had no idea what a cowl was.

Maybe it's like that to keep his eyes in the shadows all the time.
Posted: Thu, 30th Aug 2007, 12:29am

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Sollthar wrote:

I'm really not sure about the new Joker. On one side it's great they try something different, because obviously, you just can't beat Jack Nicholson. But then again, with doing something different, you just can't beat Jack Nicholson.
I guess it comes down to the one fact you just can't beat Jack Nicholson...

But I'm excited to see what they do with him.
The new joker is well new. Obviously you he didn't come about the same way the original did since they killed the guy that killed his parents so that really throws the story off for us comic book fans.

And you just can't beat Jack Nicholson!
Posted: Thu, 30th Aug 2007, 9:07am

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JUIDAR wrote:

The new joker is well new. Obviously you he didn't come about the same way the original did since they killed the guy that killed his parents so that really throws the story off for us comic book fans.
I'm pretty sure that the Joker had nothing to do with the death of Wayne's parents in the comic....?
Posted: Thu, 30th Aug 2007, 10:12am

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I guess my "problem" will be that I never read any of the comics. Burtons vision of Batman IS Batman for me. And Nicholsons Joker IS the joker in my eyes (allthough I did like what they did with him in the cartoon movies, which I´ve seen. Still no match for good ol Jack).

Hence I also thought "Batman Begins" wasn´t really a Batman movie set in a place called "Gotham". It was an okay action movie, but Burtons Film wipes the floor with it on pretty much every level for me - especially the music. Elfmans Batman score is probably one of the best scores to ever hit the big screen, and the Zimmer / Newton-Howard collaboration was alright at best. Batman just isn´t Batman without the Batman Theme. Just like Terminator 3 failed in the first 2 minutes when there was no Terminator Theme.

So I expect to enjoy the sequel as a good action film and hopefully it does a couple of things better then the first one. Including presenting an interesting villain this time, as both Scarecrow and Ras-al Ghul weren´t very wowing...
Posted: Thu, 30th Aug 2007, 9:51pm

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While it's not as thematics as Danny Elfman's immediately-recognizable score, I've felt- for the past two years, actually- that Hans Zimmer's Batman score was one of the best I've heard in years. Years.

It's just good music to listen to. It's not memorable as "Batman" music, which is what a score is supposed to do, but I find the way it plays is very emotional and moving, unlike Elfman's score. I hate how most everyone rags on Zimmer's Batman soundtrack in comparison to Elfman's.

They're two different things entirely. Batman Begins wasn't meant to be as flamboyant, gothic, or weird as Burton's (or Schumacher's, even) vision was; and a much different soundtrack was needed as such.

As for the storylines: I grew up on "Batman: the Animated Series" from the time I was about 4 until I was 12, and that's very closely based off of a lot of the comics, so I never liked how Burton skewed the whole "Joker kills Batman's parents" thing. I loved how it was done in Batman Begins. It's an altogether more emotional movie.
Posted: Thu, 30th Aug 2007, 10:16pm

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God I love Batman:The Animated Series. Every night I watched it religiously until they stopped showing them.

Yeah, when I saw that Hanz Zimmer and James Newton Howard were teaming up for the score I knew it would be mindblowing. It's got Zimmer's great ability with action music and then Howard's great ability with drama music.
Posted: Tue, 4th Sep 2007, 4:50pm

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I dunno- i quite like the new batman suit. It looks alright- less flimsy.

As Sollthar said waaaaay back you just can't beat jack nicholson...Unless you had access past his gates and a 4X4 plank of wood...the joker doesn't look too good in my opinion sad

Still can't wait!
Posted: Mon, 10th Sep 2007, 1:06pm

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Yeah, you can't beat Jack Nicholson as the Joker, but I don't think that's even an issue really. It's not like they're competing - their Joker is going to be completely different, so I think comparison's will very quickly go out the window.

It's the same way I don't ever really think about comparing Burton and Nolan's Batman films. I love both of them, but comparing them is about as relevant to me as comparing Urotsukidoji with It's A Wonderful Life.

I also rather like the score in Nolan's - particularly in the first half. It has a great feeling of inevitability and tension to it. During the action it's not so great though - much like the film itself.