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Posted: Wed, 22nd Aug 2007, 9:32am

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Paramount announced this week that they would be exclusively supporting the HD-DVD format. This means no Transformers on the rival Blu-Ray, among many other big names. With most other studios either supporting both formats or Blu-Ray, it was a surprising decision and one which seems to have rather miffed both Steven Spielberg and Michael Bay, who even threatened to quit Transformers 2 in protest (although he has since retracted that, claiming that he just got a bit over-excited).

What do you guys think?
Posted: Wed, 22nd Aug 2007, 9:50am

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HD-DVD makes the most sense to me. But to be honest let the big multinationals fight it out and within a couple of years dual decks will be standard anyway. I believe such a dualdeck was already was available in Japan last year but then for some copyright/patent reason was removed from shelves. Probably Sony not liking it.

Stupid Sony.
Posted: Wed, 22nd Aug 2007, 4:45pm

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Interesting post, what a horrible future we face, you buy a ps3 thinking all the films will come out on it.

You hold off and think HD might win.

I think if companies like paramount are going to stick with just one format then the only answer seems to buy one of those dual machines that play both. sad
Posted: Wed, 22nd Aug 2007, 4:47pm

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Or make a point and not buy either, which is the option I'm going for. Seeing as my standard DVDs look fantastic on my HDTV, I don't really have the same inclination to upgrade as I did with the VHS->DVD switch.
Posted: Wed, 22nd Aug 2007, 5:04pm

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Bluray is a better format and it's gradually winning. Dual format ones mainly arnt available simply because they are too expensive to make. HD and Bluray require different lasers.

Most of the stupid drawbacks that stop you just plugging in a player to your tv and watching occur with both formats so there's no advantage there. Bluray should be capable of more interactive content when they figure out how to use that.

The studios choice to flip back and forth between which formats they support is purely political, in the end they will all be on whichever one most people buy.
Posted: Wed, 22nd Aug 2007, 5:37pm

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I'm supporting HD-DVD only because HD-DVD players can play my regular DVDs. It's stupid for my huge DVD collection to become obsolete when there's no reason for it to (a disc is a disc). If Blu-Ray players gain the ability to play DVD's, I don't care which one wins... I just don't want to rebuy my entire standard def DVD collection (VHS style).

I'm suprised that Blu-Ray is winning in the first place, because I always assumed that the HD-DVD name would be more familiar and more people would want HD-DVD for the same reason as me. I read an article somewhere that shows that if you don't count PS3 sales (which probably weren't bought exclusively for the Blu-Ray player), and only count stand alone player sales, HD-DVD is winning... which makes more sense to me, but I don't know whether or not it's true.
Posted: Wed, 22nd Aug 2007, 9:19pm

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Evman wrote:

If Blu-Ray players gain the ability to play DVD's, I don't care which one wins.
What on earth are you talking about Evman? Blu-ray players can play DVDs just fine otherwise they would have already lost. That would be madness! I play DVDs in mine all the time...

Blu-ray players and films are outselling HD-DVD by a huge margin now.

Overall its standing at well over 2 to 1 for movies, but HD-DVD had been on the market over twice as long when those stats were made. Looking at the months where they were actually in direct competition Blu-ray movies were outselling HD-DVD at about 5 to 1. Thats one hell of a win.

When it comes to hardware, overall (worldwide) the PS3 is outselling every other "new" console (other than the almighty Wii) and it comes with Blu-ray/DVD playback. The margin of player sales is even more in Blu-ray's favor than with films. HD-DVD might survive but only if dual-format players take off.

Paramount/Dreamworks are the only people saying they are going to go HD-DVD only and they are getting huge stick for it form every direction (and a cash payment from Toshiba). I expect its a year long exclusive deal (maybe shorter) at which point everything will return to Blu-ray.

Blu-ray has the biggest names in the movie and electronics business behind it all the way (you don't mess with Panasonic). Blu-ray is already winning the battle and it looks like its winning the war.
Posted: Wed, 22nd Aug 2007, 9:22pm

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Oh wow I was entirely mistaken. Then in that case I don't care which format wins at all. (Even though I like red better than blue! razz )
Posted: Wed, 22nd Aug 2007, 10:58pm

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Blu-Ray makes the most sense to me, but I wish they would just pick one and name it HD-DVD. I was watching a recent film in theaters and a preview/commercial came up and said "now on Bluray." I heard 2 people say "wtf is Blu-Ray." People know what HD is, they know what DVD is. It's the most logical format name. And Blu-Ray boxes have no place in my home. They are ugly as hell. Just make it a normal DVD style box. If in the future, Blu-Ray wins and is the standard for 10 years, I will literally buy empty boxes and reprint the labels to the correct size. That's how damn ugly I think the boxes are. It looks like something AOL might package their free AOL Online disks in that people take straight from their mailbox to their trash can. Also, I hate Sony with a passion. But seriously, I support HD-DVD more because of the name and boxes. It seems technically inferior in every way, but gah.
Posted: Thu, 23rd Aug 2007, 12:44am

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Apparently the factories that make DVDs will be easier to convert to HD-DVD and thats why Paramount joined Universal in going exclusively to HD-DVD(though Paramount did say that Spielberg films will go to all formats).

The other reason is because Tobisha(or whatever the company is called) is supposedly very reliable(says Paramount, cause im no expert) and is promising a 200 dollar or less HD-DVD player by this Christmas, which is something Sony hasn't done.

With Universal and Paramount packing HD-DVD its going to be hard for Blu-Ray to hold up the lead.
Posted: Thu, 23rd Aug 2007, 5:11am

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Sure, with the Spiderman franchise, Sony, Coloumbia Pictures and 20th Century Fox, not to mention a game console with the player standard.

Blu-ray is doomed.
Posted: Thu, 23rd Aug 2007, 6:04am

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My guess is that the same thing will happen now as what happened years ago with the VHS/Beta wars...

Beta was the superior format, but VHS won because it was more affordable to the average consumer.

Now, if I remember correctly, both BluRay and HD-DVD have equal picture quality, but BluRay holds more info on a disc. However, it seems that in general HD-DVD players have been a little easier for middle-income consumers to purchase (i.e. cheaper).

Furthermore, there are several titles out there now that are hybrids, containing both the regular DVD format and the HD-DVD format of a movie on one disc. And that's an incentive for consumers to start building a library of HD titles, even if they "haven't gotten around to buying the player yet".
Posted: Thu, 23rd Aug 2007, 7:29am

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I think the key difference in Betmax and VHS was Betamax was considerably higher-cost than VHS and IMO ahead of it's time in technology, whereas Blu-Ray and HD-DVD discs themselves are about the same price and on similar levels technology-wise.

A VHS, if I remember correctly, was somewhere around $500 when I was born, whereas a Betamax, which my dad bought and had special features after the movie and such similar to DVD (again, ahead of its time) was closer to $1000 just for the player. Also, another issue notwithstanding with the Blu-Ray versus HD-DVD issue was length and recording. At the time recording to VHS was legal in the U.S., whereas recording to Betamax (which could only hold 4/5 a VHS could hold, also, another extra drawback) was illegal.

That isn't the case with Blu-Ray and HD-DVD. It's more of 'who can sell more players and have better movies faster', and so far with the PS3 packing them and having all the best releases lately signed with Blu-Ray, I can't say I see it dying anytime soon.

At least, I sure hope not, as if it does I only see HD-DVD becoming that 'transitional' format in the way that laserdisc was, until higher-capacity, better-resolution of the same technology comes out. (which, IMO, wouldn't happen.......at least as quickly.......with Blu-Ray.)

Plus, the name and cases are way more badass and not tomato-soup-vomit brown. smile
Posted: Fri, 24th Aug 2007, 5:52am

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I'm really comfused about the cases. In my local video store, both the HD-DVD cases and the Blu-Ray cases are those weird thin, translucent plastic with either red for HD-DVD or blue for Blu-Ray. I assume they will eventually look like DVD cases? Like Serpent said I think they are really ugly.

Its a shame Paramount switched to HD-DVD. I'm all Blu-Ray, so I hate to see such a big company switch over and start causing doubt in bluray, although it still seems like it will hold the lead.

The other thing is that I remember the porn industry said it would only release HD-DVD. When I heard that, I also heard the same thing happened with VHS vs Beta. That the porn industry went with VHS, and then helped it win. Does anyone know if this is still the case? Sorry to bring it up, but I think it still might be a factor in which format wins. redface
Posted: Fri, 24th Aug 2007, 6:37pm

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BlueSmudge wrote:

The other thing is that I remember the porn industry said it would only release HD-DVD.
Hmm. I thought that the porn industry was not going to use either High-Definition format due to the fact that it... Well... Allows you to see imperfections. wink
Posted: Sun, 26th Aug 2007, 10:39am

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i just picked up a player that supports both formats HD AND BLUE RAY
the price was cut in half 600 not bad for the price plays great
the sales person was really cool
Posted: Mon, 27th Aug 2007, 8:09am

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HD-DVD players are going to begin selling at Wal-Mart between 200 and 300 dollars. With Blu Ray players at three times that, it won't really matter how much more info a Blu Ray disc can hold. Not to mention I can buy a new XBOX360 and a HDDVD drive for roughly the same price as a new PS3.(I'm not trapped into buying one or the other and making a decision right now.)

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When it comes to hardware, overall (worldwide) the PS3 is outselling every other "new" console (other than the almighty Wii) and it comes with Blu-ray/DVD playback.
FALSE

As for the PS3 outselling the *new* consoles, other than the Wii...What else is there than the Wii? The Xbox360 had it's debut more than a year and a half before then and has sold 3x the amount of hardware...And again, not to mention the PS2 was outselling both the 360 and ps3 for quite a bit of this time in many parts of the world. In fact, the ps2 is currently outselling the ps3 by up to 4x! Ps3 can't even outsell the ps2, let alone the 360 and Wii...

It is true, that all the developers and studios behind the Blu Ray is a good signal for them, but for me, the fact that Wal Mart and now Paramount is getting behind this means I'll stick with HD.

http://gear.ign.com/articles/782/782359p1.html
http://www.digitalbattle.com/2007/08/24/sonys-ps2-outselling-ps3/
http://www.switched.com/2007/07/11/xbox-360-outselling-ps3-two-to-one/

EDIT: I'd also like to say as a man who liked to keep his place somewhat tidy, why don't we ditch the format and boost the internet. In a recent interview, Mark Cuban called the internet dead..It's no longer exciting, it's just a utility that you use for everyday things. Let's get these internet companies to boost the bandwith, connect with our televisions and stream HD directly to our hdtv's...That's my dream.
Posted: Mon, 27th Aug 2007, 10:17am

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HD-DVD players are going to begin selling at Wal-Mart between 200 and 300 dollars. With Blu Ray players at three times that, it won't really matter how much more info a Blu Ray disc can hold. Not to mention I can buy a new XBOX360 and a HDDVD drive for roughly the same price as a new PS3.(I'm not trapped into buying one or the other and making a decision right now.)
How are you not trapped with an Xbox360? You can either buy the HD-DVD addon or nothing. You would have to buy a new player altogether if you want Blu-ray (just as you would have to buy a HD-DVD player if you have a PS3).

Ah, the $200-300 HD-DVD player which is apparently coming (with almost no features I might add). Shame you won't be able to rent any HD-DVDs to play because Blockbuster is dropping them and going with Blu-ray.

Worldwide Blu-ray players are now outselling HD-DVD even without the PS3 and with the PS3 outselling the Xbox360 (which doesn't have HD-DVD unless you pay for it which virtually nobody is) Blu-ray's lead is just extending every day. It doesn't matter than it might be cheaper to buy and Xbox360 THEN an HD-DVD to add on to it, the market doesn't seem to care.

Next year there will be Blu-ray players and 200-300 dollars as well and dual format players in that price range by 2009. Having the first cheap player to market (which HD-DVD no doubt will) really doesn't matter at this point because hardly anyone has HD and DVD is by far the bigger format.

It is only really "high end" people who are updating already. Those with the money to splash out on an HD TVs and who can easily afford a PS3 because they can see Blu-ray is the more supported and faster selling format. Its in more stores, its in blockbuster, it has more companies behind it, its in the PS3 as standard.

If there is 1 format to bet on at the moment its Blu-ray for sure. But most people would do best to wait it out until they get some other great HD equipment and see where the market goes.
Posted: Mon, 27th Aug 2007, 11:18am

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Blu Ray is a hideous name and I think naming is important. Sony and Fox are huge companies with considerable clout in different entertainment areas but I don't think that will be enough.

HD DVD has Paramount, New Line Cinema and Warner Bros (some titles are exclusive to HD DVD at the moment) as well as some smaller distributors. It also has a more familiar name to the consumer.

The PS3 has also not done as well as hoped by the looks of things. The Xbox is currently a low seller in comparison but the domination of consoles goes in cyles as Sony's triumph over the Dreamcast proved. Sony has also unsuccesfully launched alternative audio codecs and the MiniDisc player had a niche market but wasn't as wide a commercial success as they hoped. NEC and Toshiba have plenty of experience (as do Sony) and getting exclusives from Paramount is pretty killer. If they release some awesome titles such as Spielberg's backlog exclusively on HD DVD, then they will win. A New Line Cinema HD DVD exlusive of Lord of the Rings could be the sucker punch.
Posted: Mon, 27th Aug 2007, 11:40am

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I'm afraid your post is rather wrong Mellifluous...

All these electronics companies (Sony, Toshiba, NEC) are small compared to Panasonic which is Blu-ray only!

If you look at the electronics companies behind Blu-ray they are over 10 times larger than those behind HD-DVD and are responsible for vastly more of the consumer electronics we all buy. Blu-ray's failure would not be Sony's, it would be most of the biggest electronics companies in the world!

New Line are supporting both formats and Lord of the Rings will come to Blu-ray and HD-DVD.

As for Spielberg's - he is a big supporter of Blu-ray and is rather annoyed by Paramount who have only backed HD-DVD for a set time period (after a pay off from Toshiba). Even so, Spielberg is not part of the Paramount HD-DVD exclusive (as it says in their press release) and all Paramount films made in conjunction with Spielberg will be coming to Blu-ray and HD-DVD.

The more you hear about it the less impressive the Paramount agreement sounds. Many directors associated with Paramount are rather angered by this step (as Blu-ray has more support in the industry) but luckily it probably won't remain exclusive for long. Many are said to be taking legal action against Paramount.

So HD-DVD has a partly exclusive deal with Paramount for a (fairly short) period of time. Blu-ray has a fully exclusive deal with Sony, Disney, and Fox who are currently the 3 biggest players in the film industry (all bigger than Paramount).

Getting Paramount is not a killer blow at all and without Spielberg it doesn't even come close. The more I look at it the more it seems HD-DVD has already failed.

P.S. As for pornography being HD-DVDs killer blow as well. Blu-ray has not had an anti-pornography stance for some time now although neither are going to be used much for the reasons which have already been stated in this thread...
Posted: Mon, 27th Aug 2007, 11:46am

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Just read that after posting. Dang.

Might not show a preference for Blu Ray, just not a willingness to shut down commercial opportunities or be dictated to by Paramount like Bay. There's obvious politicking going on...
Posted: Mon, 27th Aug 2007, 11:57am

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Schwar, did you read the post? You said again that PS3 is outselling xbox360. This is utterly false. PS3 is not outselling anyone. Not even their own predecessor!

The fact remains if hd dvd wins, owning a 360 is better.

ps3: $500
hd dvd player: $200
total: $700

xbox360 premium: $350
xbox360 hd dvd player: $180
total: $530

Wal Mart is going to be selling HD-DVD players in the range of $100-$300 (search google, my last post was incorrect.) If it takes Blu-Ray a year to get to that price point the battle will have been lost. Not everyone in the world is a techie and cares about 10's of additional features. They care about how much it costs.

As for your Blockbuster arguement...Blockbuster is only expanding their Blu Ray titles in their brick and mortar stores. Online will be the same. However, Blockbuster is failing in the online department as they continue to raise rates will competitor Netflix (who has both hddvd and bluray) is dropping their rates.

Again, I will most definitely concede the fact that the titles available for hddvd are no match for blu ray. It's a definite fact. But please, don't bring up false ps3 facts and irrelevant blockbuster information to bolster the argument.

I hope one wins soon and settles all the nonsense. Blu-Ray has enough going for it that you don't need to make points that do not exist.

P.S. Sony told Blu Ray makers they would lose their liscense if they made porn. And there are plenty of adult movies in Hd-dvd...They have made them already and will continue to wink

http://uk.gizmodo.com/2007/01/12/bluray_goes_limp_for_porn.html
Link Rated pg-13 for a shot of cleavage.
Posted: Mon, 27th Aug 2007, 12:06pm

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This doesn't stop the fact that Worldwide the PS3 now outsells the Xbox360.

Japan helps a lot with this but as this is where this technology really needs to make an impact (and they are about 12months ahead of the rest of us) thats as valid as anything in the electronics market. I grant you that in many regions its the other way round (although not to a huge degree anymore) but overall this is the case and even in the regions where its behind the PS3 is catching the Xbox360.

This doesn't make the Xbox360 a bad console in any way but the market has always expected the PS3 to be a bigger seller than the Xbox360, although it'll never be like the PS2 was compared to the Xbox.

Only the Wii currently outsells the PS2 (and not even the Wii in some locations). As the Wii (or the PS2 for that matter) has nothing to do with the HD war they are not part of my argument save the fact that it proves many people are not moving to HD for quite a while yet. Therefore the $199 HD-DVD player really doesn't matter as there is nothing to play it on or to play in it.

All my previous points still stand. smile

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Quick run down of the pros of each format...

Quality & Storage:
Both are as good as equal in this regard so there is no point fighting about it.
Blu-ray stores nearly as much data on a single layer disk as HD-DVD on a double layer. Single layer HD-DVDs are cheaper to make than single layer Blu-ray disks but double layer HD-DVDs are more expensive.
The first HD-DVD releases were single layer and quality did suffer due to extra compression. Many are now dual layer and are the equal of single layer Blu-rays in terms of quality.

Players:
PS3 is a Blu-ray player out of the box which means there are vastly more Blu-ray players around than HD-DVD.
PS3 is the biggest selling HD console Worldwide (thanks to Japan), but the Xbox360 is a bigger seller in Europe and the US. The sales are pretty close in both circumstances but only the PS3 is a player out of the box and therefore Blu-ray has the much larger insalled userbase.
HD-DVD will have "cheap" players on the market first (probably at least 6 months before Blu-ray) at about $200 this Christmas. Also you can upgrade your Xbox with an HD-DVD player for less than $200.
Hybrid players have arrived and the price will drop over the next 2 years which means you don't need to pick which format you are going to support...

Movies, Exclusives & Backing:
Blu-ray has far more exclusive deals than HD-DVD. As discussed above, Blu-ray has the 3 biggest movie studios in the world onboard with exclusivity.
HD-DVD has a time-limited exclusive deal with Paramount (although this does not count Spielberg's films as he is a supporter of Blu-ray so his films will be on both formats). Toshiba is paying $150 million for this deal and it lasts 18 months (by which time HD still won't be a big player compared to DVD). Many people then expect all of Paramount's films to appear on Blu-ray as well. The rest of the studios are supporting both formats.
Even between them the HD formats still don't get even 25% of the releases we still get on regular DVD so unless you are heavily invested in HD equipment there is no real need to swap for quite some time yet.
The large amount of electronics companies behind Blu-ray represent a massive portion of the consumer electronics market. HD-DVD has many less companies behind it and they are all smaller than the big boys behind Blu-ray.

Sales & Rental:
Blu-ray disks are outselling HD-DVD by as much as 4 to 1 at the moment in many regions so they tend to be easier to find and more widely stocked.
Saying that its not hard to find HD-DVD stockists but there are less titles to buy. Outside of the US HD-DVDs are not stocked anywhere near as much as Blu-ray.
Even together both formats sell a miniscule amount compared to regular DVDs.
In its stores Blockbuster is dropping HD-DVD and sticking with Blu-ray. Many other chains stock both formats in the states. In Europe both have limited stocks in rental stores but Blu-ray is more apparent.

HD-DVD fans will tell you the Paramount marks the beginning of their fight back against Blu-ray (which is winning currently by some margin in both player and disk sales). Blu-ray fans will say that Paramount isn't big enough to change its momentum as it has the big 3 studios onboard. They also claim that at the end of the 18month contract all Paramount's films will appear on Blu-ray anyway.

This war will run for a while yet.

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Ps3 is outselling 360 in Canada, but not USA. It still belongs to the 360.
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Frosty G wrote:

Ps3 is outselling 360 in Canada, but not USA. It still belongs to the 360.
Actually, it still belongs, by a large margin I think, to PS2. Which should signal to some people that history does tend to repeat itself. (Remembers being first person in his class to have a DVD player and tons of DVDs because it was built into the PS2)
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Although I agree that Bluray is a superior format right now, I just wanted to point out that the PS3's user base is about half as big as the Xbox 360's. I believe the 360 outsold the PS3 in the US last month as well.

Course, the 360 doesn't come with an HD-DVD drive built in.
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The 360 still outsells the PS3 in Europe and the US (but the PS3 is closing every month). In Japan the PS3 is now a fairly big seller with monthly figures of between 80,000-120,000 units (the Wii is at least 3 times that) while the 360 is selling between 13,000-17,000 units.

In the US the 360 is stable selling about 160,000-190,000 units a month with the PS3 closing at about 110,000 which seems to go up by about 10,000 every month. The Wii again destroys them both with nearly 400,000 units sold in July alone!

This means that while the 360 is still ahead in the US (by quite a bit) the PS3 is ahead worldwide (just) and very slowly increasing the gap. But in the end they are both doing pretty slow business compared to the Wii. At one point it was out-selling both consoles by 6 to 1!
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That indeed is alot of Wii's sold. I don't actually find the Wii console all that good, i think the games are a little bit childish, well yeh, but maybe it outsells the others by so much because people can play the while doing excerise. e.g the boxing games is realy tiring, but really really fun!
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well I thought I'd do some reserch for some hard facts and I got these:

http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=747 - july 07
long url wink - feburary 07
http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/08/16/blu-ray-has-outsold-hd-dvd-so-far-this-year/ - August 07
a larger article - Feburary 07
[urlhttp://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/564]top 10 seling titles[/url] - April 07

From these, recently blurau is outselling HDDVD, but in total saled from the begining HD-DVD has sold more (due to them being out earlier).
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Who wins and who loses this race is a bit of a sideshow - they've both lost. By this I mean the market penetration is abysmal for both formats purely because nobody wants to get stuck with the Betamax again, and so the bulk of the market, who are still content with their SD DVD's for now are waiting for there to be a cheap winner. To think, both sides had meetings and summits before launch to see if they could agree a standard to avoid just this position, but politics killed it. They need their heads banging together, really they do...

As for disc capacity, if both formats can easily store a 2hr HD movie comfortably, it'll come down to how much watch-once-and-forget/regret filler you can stand/demand with your feature!
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pdrg wrote:


As for disc capacity, if both formats can easily store a 2hr HD movie comfortably, it'll come down to how much watch-once-and-forget/regret filler you can stand/demand with your feature!
Not necessarily. I think picturing my Family Guy collection on 2 Blu-Ray discs or 5 HD-DVD discs as opposed to about 20 DVDs is a major factor, since TV Shows on video is a fair part of the market.

And, in that case, if Blu-Ray can market TV seasons in less discs at the same price (which obviously I think will happen eventually)- it won't be a 'watch-once-and-forget' situation.
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I really don't care which format wins (I believe HD-DVD is good, but why is there Blu-Ray too?) I think standard def is just fine...

Also my bro just got an Xbox 360 so I can play HD-DVD now anyway razz.

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Atom wrote:

And, in that case, if Blu-Ray can market TV seasons in less discs at the same price (which obviously I think will happen eventually)- it won't be a 'watch-once-and-forget' situation.
But the price of Blu-Ray players is where they get ya... Even though I could get one in 2-3 paychecks time, why?

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Only if you also purchase an HD-DVD drive for the Xbox 360.

It can't play HD-DVDs as standard, unlike the PS3 which plays Blu-ray out of the box and without the need for an add-on drive which looks like it was designed by someone who had never seen an Xbox360!

It's a cheaper option than the PS3 but my god is it ugly!

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schwar wrote:

Only if you also purchase an HD-DVD drive for the Xbox 360. It can't play HD-DVDs as standard...
You learn something new everyday...
Posted: Wed, 29th Aug 2007, 8:43am

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The HD-DVD player add-on is like a cute baby Xbox360.
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But randomly the front is a different colour, and a different shape. Maybe the designer had only seen the Xbox360 from the bottom...
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Yeah, comes from the mother's side.
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schwar wrote:


It's a cheaper option than the PS3 but my god is it ugly!
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And the PS3 isn't?




When in doubt, make it black. Ew.
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Well... it looks pretty good so long as you don't touch it. Controller looks like it was made in 1995 though... oh wait.
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Atom wrote:

pdrg wrote:


As for disc capacity, if both formats can easily store a 2hr HD movie comfortably, it'll come down to how much watch-once-and-forget/regret filler you can stand/demand with your feature!
Not necessarily. I think picturing my Family Guy collection on 2 Blu-Ray discs or 5 HD-DVD discs as opposed to about 20 DVDs is a major factor, since TV Shows on video is a fair part of the market.
You know, being able to watch 4 hours without getting up to change discs isn't going to make it for me - if a film runs over 110 minutes I get really tetchy unless it's awesome squared, so I'd be up and doing something else long before the 4 hrs mark! Or if I was going to go to the loo/get a drink/anything else, swapping a disc wouldn't be a deal-breaker to me if I was going for an all-nighter wink
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Yeah seperate discs divy up my watching time nicely. Like when I watch a season of 24 on dvd. I usually go with a disc a night or something.
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A decreased number of discs contributing to lack of exercise and diminishing health is now a factor in the argument over which format is better.

Great. wink
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schwar wrote:

It can't play HD-DVDs as standard, unlike the PS3 which plays Blu-ray out of the box and without the need for an add-on drive which looks like it was designed by someone who had never seen an Xbox360!
But what I like about getting the HD-DVD add on is that it is less wear on the system. Instead of playing everything on the PS3's drive (games and movies), you'd think the laser would/could last longer using the two separate laser option the 360 gives you.

Also, the 360 looks so much slicker than the PS3. White is in. (The Elite is ugly tho) (And the PS3 looks like a black fridge.)
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Also, the 360 looks so much slicker than the PS3. White is in.
Even though that picture shwar showed us really isn't pretty!

Anyways, I heard that the HD-DVD for Harry Potter & the Goblet of Fire was increadible. (In a review, a guy said that it looked practically 3D!) But Blu-Ray seems more popular.

But I'm sticking with DVD. They're really good enough for me.
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Plainly wrote:

CX3 wrote:

Also, the 360 looks so much slicker than the PS3. White is in.
Even though that picture shwar showed us really isn't pretty!

Anyways, I heard that the HD-DVD for Harry Potter & the Goblet of Fire was increadible. (In a review, a guy said that it looked practically 3D!) But Blu-Ray seems more popular.

But I'm sticking with DVD. They're really good enough for me.
Yea but the guys set up in the picture was ugly, not the console. I think Schwar searched for the tackiest 360 setup hah. If I set up my 360 on top of what looks to be a linksys rounter and a few VHS tapes, it really wouldn't look that appealing either. Not to mention, I don't lay my 360 down flat like that, I stand it up.





Doesn't look so ugly there.

Besides, you can change your 360 faceplate to go with any color scheme you have going on with whatever entertainment set you have.
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http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/09/03/ifa_bd_vs_hddvd_update/

Interesting impartial article - very up-to-date and UK-focussed