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Posted: Sat, 25th Aug 2007, 6:28am

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Ooookay.

Well, after meeting with my sucky highschool counselor and a much, much better independent college consultant today; I have decided it's officially time to freak out about college applications.

The more and more I think about college, the more and more daunting it gets. I have the qualifications (grades/extracurriculars) to get into a film school in a lot of places across the US (save UCLA, those bitches) but I'm worried now that film isn't a lucrative-enough field to pursue. Anyone else contemplating this same dilemma?

I go to the number one rated public school in the US, have passed 5 APs, hold a 3.4 GPA, 1990 SAT (both suck, I know. I need to take the SAT more than once) and I'm still not qualified enough to get into an upper-rated Ivy League school. I'm having to change my sights from Harvard/Columbia to Dartmouth/Cornell, and even then it's a crapshoot. I'd be happy just to get into state.

Are there any other FXHomers out there sweating bullets about getting into college? My counselors think I'm a sure thing for film school at USC, but I'm not sure if that's even true.

Post your college woes/hopes here, I know (hope) many of us have 'em!
Posted: Sat, 25th Aug 2007, 6:52am

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You could always piggy-back off of your brother's 'automatic-entrance' thing at State and not worry. wink
Posted: Sat, 25th Aug 2007, 7:22am

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Wow, this brings back memories, although our system is a bit different.

It's only a matter of time and you'll come out the other side of this and make the best of wherever you end up going. I'm a firm believer that university is more an experience than a learning exercise so it can be great no matter (to a point) where you go.

I wish you (and all other FXhomers in the same boat) the best of luck with getting in to your preferred universities and careers.

Film-making is really a solid base to be getting into as long as you keep your options open when it comes to job hunting and are willing to move to the job. The broadcast, film, media and advertising industry is set for some changes over the next decade with some traditional areas downsizing but also massive growth in the internet sector.

There are many highly paid creative jobs around for people with technical (Adobe/Final Cut Pro/DVD Studio) skills. Unlike film, where it is often seen as a privilege to work (even for free), compositing/grading and motion graphics (for advertising) pay great wages and are a good fall back for many of todays film-makers who, by their nature, and multi-skilled. So don't worry too much about that.

I only know a few people who had a smooth entrance to university. In my case entrance to my preferred university came down to an interview. From the interview I was lucky enough to get a fairly rare unconditional offer but for some reason I didn't realise (always read your WHOLE acceptance letter) and was under the impression I needed 2 As and a B to get my place.

I got extremely worried about getting in as me and my girlfriend at the time wanted to go to the same uni (another MASSIVE mistake) and then did pretty badly on my A-levels (well, I did badly because I always found other things to be doing like an idiot).

I can't tell you how good it felt to call the uni on results day with my poor results, asking if I still had a place only to be told I had unconditional entry. Looking back now, 10 years later, I'm so glad I went to university to do History of Art because I'm now a programmer and software/website designer... wink

Good luck again guys, and let us know how it goes. My fingers are crossed for ya.
Posted: Sat, 25th Aug 2007, 7:46am

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Hmm.

3.9 GPA, have passed 2 AP classes and am taking 3 senior year (stupid I know), and a 1920 on the SATs.

I'm pouring all my concentration into NYU, but if that falls through, I'm also looking at Emerson, Ithaca, and BU as backups. Applying early decision to NYU though. If I can get in, I'm going, no doubt, so I'll have to have everything in by Nov. 1st.

I have the grades and SAT to make NYU, it's just that the film program is highly selective... Accordingly, I'm developing a very strong portfolio film to submit along with my app.

I'm going to film school because that's what I want to do. I'm going to college, so don't anyone try playing the "you don't need to go to college to pursue film" card. Since film/tv is what I want to do, it'd be silly to go to school for something else, imo. Go with your gut Ben.

I just can't wait till December. Either I'll know I got into NYU and can totally take the second half of senior year worth a piece of crap, or I'll be rushing to finish apps for backup schools. Either way, after April is guaranteed to be an awesome way to round out high school.
Posted: Sat, 25th Aug 2007, 8:03am

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I'd still really go against 'early decision'. It signals to other schools, safety schools, you have no interest in them and, like you said, completely locks you into NYU bar-none before you even know what finances will look like for you and the school.

I know you've probably got what you want to do down, but I would still recommend early action to see if the college says 'yes, you're in' without you having to worry immediately about being actually bound to them, both educationally and economically.

Also, I'm from the south and you're from the north and so New York is likely more familiar with you anyway, but have you been to NYU? I hated it when I visited NYC this summer. No actual campus, students paying their way through producing their......homework. That's not for me. But I guess, it may be for you.

Still, do some looking. I've heard really good things from several people that Chapman University, a small private film school in California, is really the best. I can't completely confirm it yet, but I will try to check it out this fall and you should look into the west coast stuff too.

And has anyone else who has already passed through college had a similar age sibling go through the same time? I'm curious as to how Ben and I will go. While we have a good filmmaking dynamic together, is it important for us to stay at the same school?
Posted: Sat, 25th Aug 2007, 2:08pm

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I might wait a few years then come and study in UCLA.. I remember trying to raise the funds to apply as an international student to go there 5 years ago! Wow....

Good luck to all going through the process!
Posted: Sat, 25th Aug 2007, 2:18pm

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I'm hoping to get into the DAVE shcool of visual effects and animation in Orlando. It's only an hour and a half from where I live!
Posted: Sat, 25th Aug 2007, 3:31pm

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I feel ya' Ben. I'm already starting to get shaky hands about college, and I'm only a Junior.

Savannah College of Art and Design(SCAD) looks very promising. Especially since they give scholarships for a portfolio. That's my dream school, but I have doubts I could get in. I'll try, and cross my fingers. wink
Posted: Sat, 25th Aug 2007, 3:37pm

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Fill wrote:

I feel ya' Ben. I'm already starting to get shaky hands about college, and I'm only a Junior.
I am too... and I'm a sophomore...
Posted: Sat, 25th Aug 2007, 3:46pm

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Interesting. We all seem to have the same SAT score. Currently, I'm content with a 1970 SAT, a few AP classes, and a decent film making background. For the past three summers I've been at different programs learning "how to make movies." Last summer, I spent the month of July at the New York Film Academy, and then this summer, I was at the North Carolina School of the Arts for 5 weeks. While the info they taught was redundant at times, I was still learning, and, at the same time, showing that I was committed to making movies.

I'll be taking the exact same road as Evman actually, with a few additional schools as back up. What state do you live in Evman? NYU is my top choice, and I will be applying there come November 1st. As far as California schools, I know I cant get into USC (they dont look at your movies at all, only academics), so I wont bother applying. Chapman will most likely end up being the only Cali school I go for.

Ben, I had the same thoughts as you about going to a film conservatory school. All I can say is, do what you feel comfortable with.
Posted: Sat, 25th Aug 2007, 5:10pm

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Schwar, when you say "high wages", what are you talking about, exactly?

The system here works differently from everywhere else, we have a kind of mini-college before we get to actual Uni, so I'll be choosing properly about 2 years from now... I'm really torn as to whether filmmaking/photography/multimedia is a sector I should consider, because I'm really not sure about jobs and the pay... I certainly don't want to end up like the classic cliché example of a poor starving artist selling stuff to pay rent. On the other hand, technology and multimedia is very very clearly something I love...
Posted: Sat, 25th Aug 2007, 5:13pm

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I'm really, really worried about rank and my GPA.

My 3.4 unweighted is supposed to be 4.0 weighted in the Texas public system (with all the AP classes I've taken: Spanish, English Language, U.S. History, World History, Human Geo, Physics, Stats) but my school, being the idiots that they are, don't weight my GPA according the the state standard. In fact, they don't weight it at all.

I'm confident I can at least gain 90 to 120 points on my SAT, leaving me at a 2210, so there's no problem there, but my class rank is bugging the hell outta me.

My brother automatically gets into state because he's in the top ten percent of his graduating class; yet I, with better SAT and higher GPA, have no such guarantees because my school is so small and exclusive.

Only 50 graduating kids, and three just left to go take hold of the 10% thing at other schools for their senior year. This puts me somewhere in the middle 50%, even though I have an 89- which I know needs improvement, but my classes were difficult AP.

This problem with "the numbers" when I'm actually a smart person (in comparison to the average American student) is something that I'm worried will screw me in the end when it comes time to qualify for Ivies or NYU/USC/UTAustin (Rodriguez's place) film school. If and when I applied for NYU, I think my portfolio would be the make-or-break thing, so I'm glad that it's considerably strong.

Anyone else in a similar boat with rank?

Oh yeah,

To Evman:

If you do get the early notice for NYU, DO NOT slack off the second semester. The early admission is binding, but their notice isn't. So while you think you can slack off, they're looking at you the whole year until they bind your acceptance in May (which is the required month for EVERY college). I got told this by my college counselor and was surprised. So if UCLA or USC told me I was "in" in December, they'd still be watching to see if I slack. This screws a bunch of hopefuls every year, apparently.
Posted: Sat, 25th Aug 2007, 5:23pm

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Jesus fudging christ. The american school system sounds terribly complicated and screwed just from reading this.

Good luck to anyone who has to survive in what sounds a very competitive environment.
Posted: Sat, 25th Aug 2007, 5:25pm

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Pooky wrote:

Schwar, when you say "high wages", what are you talking about, exactly?

The system here works differently from everywhere else, we have a kind of mini-college before we get to actual Uni, so I'll be choosing properly about 2 years from now... I'm really torn as to whether filmmaking/photography/multimedia is a sector I should consider, because I'm really not sure about jobs and the pay... I certainly don't want to end up like the classic cliché example of a poor starving artist selling stuff to pay rent. On the other hand, technology and multimedia is very very clearly something I love...
Follow your heart and get creative about having to make it work out - chasing the cash will kill your creativity, and it's just not worth it, you'll look back in 10 years and wonder where all your potential went! Follow your heart creatively, you'll always find enough cash to pay the bills, even if you do have to wait tables whilst you're getting your career underway afterwards.
Posted: Sat, 25th Aug 2007, 5:35pm

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I have been to NYU and I loved it there. I also want to go to the best named school I can, and for film that's either NYU or USC. I hated USC when I visited it. They had this ridiculously superior attitude, and NYU was very welcoming. I'm doing early decision because I KNOW I want to go there and I KNOW that my family can help me pay for it. Besides, it's "binding", but what the hell are they going to do to me if I end up saying no? Arrest me? And I'm not going to slack off and get F's in every class second half of the year... I meant more like getting some B's instead of straight A's. Even if I get a B in an AP class, it'll be weighted as an A anyway...

Ben/Atom, you guys seem like you've just discovered this whole college application process... I've been searching for schools for a whole year and have had several meetings with my guidance counselor over the course of that year. Now you seem to FINALLY understand what I've been mentioning as the most annoying and hectic process ever! razz

Klausky - I live in Pennsylvania. I don't particularly want to go to any West Coast schools, as I'm a northeastern guy, born and bred, and don't think I'm ready for Hollywood and all that yet (I'll undoubtedly end up there at some point, but for now, New York City is much more fitting to me.)
Posted: Sat, 25th Aug 2007, 5:45pm

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Evman wrote:

I have been to NYU and I loved it there.
Seriously? I didn't like it at all. The lack of a real campus (even though the skyscrapers they own qualify them as the largest private college, square-footage-wise

Ben/Atom, you guys seem like you've just discovered this whole college application process... I've been searching for schools for a whole year and have had several meetings with my guidance counselor over the course of that year. Now you seem to FINALLY understand what I've been mentioning as the most annoying and hectic process ever! razz
Ahaha, actually I started planning late sophomore year, so it wasn't much of a problem to me. But with my low rank revealed, things are starting to seem more and more pressing. I've had adequate preparation, but the fact that I've got a brother going to school the same time as me, and that my school is getting more competitive is a big problem. The fact that I'm set up to take AP English Lit, AP Physics(E&M), AP Calculus, AP Psychology, AP Gov't and Economics, along with a few other stupid classes makes me even more worried about my grades declining. And I'm not talking anything crazy, like failing, I'm just talkign about slipping to a 'B'.
Posted: Sat, 25th Aug 2007, 5:50pm

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Man the college system there as Sollthar says sounds highly confusing. Over here in the UK it's simple. Take your GCSE exams > Wait for the results > if you meet the college courses requirements your in.

Glady I got through into college with a result mark of this.

2 C's
1 F
1 E
D for the rest.

And I've been accepted into college. Heh, America seems like a confusing place.

B3N
Posted: Sat, 25th Aug 2007, 5:52pm

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ben3308 wrote:

Evman wrote:

I have been to NYU and I loved it there.
Seriously? I didn't like it at all. The lack of a real campus (even though the skyscrapers they own qualify them as the largest private college, square-footage-wise
Yeah it's really up to your personal tastes. I actually love the idea of the campus in the city. Theres so much to do in NYC and it's such an iconic city, that basically living IN the city will be amazing. Not to mention there are infinite possibilities for films set in NY. I find something restricting about the campus feel, which is why I'm straying towards schools like NYU, and then Emerson and BU, which are both situated in Boston similarly to NYU in NY. Ithaca had a really nice actual campus though, and it's on my list if I can't get in elsewhere.

I know what you mean about grades possibly slipping though. I've got AP English Lit, AP Macroeconomic, and AP Statistics senior year, and I'm pretty sure that they're all going to be in the first half of the year (Block scheduling). So my day could very well consist of 4 and a half hours of AP classes a day! confused
Posted: Sat, 25th Aug 2007, 5:55pm

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B3N,

It's because, I think, our college look to be the best. Places like Stanford and Harvard don't just want good test scores (which in our case is the SAT or ACT, whichever you choose to take) they want bright minds who will help prove that Harvard is one of the best. They also want people who will conduct studies and projects to solve issues in life, like Berkeley, MIT, and CalTech are always doing. Similarly, this is why places like Oxford in the UK are so tough: they're looking to be a 'name' in the college world.

It's more than how you perform, in the US, it's who you are, and what you've proven you can do. If you haven't 'proven' much by the time you're 17 (even 16, really) then you're pretty screwed.

If the portfolio at NYU is actually a big part of it, I think I might have a chance. Anyone else think so?

Also, Evman, Ithaca is one of the reasons I'm lowering my "Ivy" sights to Cornell. A. because it's easier to get into and B. because it's in Ithaca.

I almost laughed when you said you're worried about 4.5 hours of APs daily, haha. Welcome to my world! At least I got to go paint for an hour and a half afterwards. (I had block scheduling. 1.5 hour classes, four daily, for the whole year, "A" and "B" day schedules) I would have something like, say, AP English Language, AP Stats, AP Painting and then AP Physics. It seemed easy at the time.
Posted: Sat, 25th Aug 2007, 6:14pm

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Half of the application process at NYU goes through Tisch (the film school), and they look heavily at your portfolio.

I've had block scheduling before and AP classes before Ben... I'm simply saying that probably all of my AP classes will be first half of the year, so I'll be fighting that amount of work while I'm doing college apps. The added benefit is that once all the AP classes are over all I have second half of the year is Honors Physics, Advanced Communications, Gym, Fiction into Film, Spanish 5, and one block of late arrival (yay more sleeping time) last quarter of the year, b/c I already have like 5 more credits than I need to get the highest diploma my school offers.

Don't you just hate being an overachiever? Now we're locked into high expectations for the rest of our lives... If we'd started off as idiots, we'd have it much easier now! razz
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Just for the record, Ben and I have the same SAT scores, I don't have lower. smile

Evman, I loved New York itself, loved it to death, but never got a sense of 'permanence' or anything. Everything was and is always in a state of movement. Although a lot of things looked cool to shoot at, I realistically couldn't see myself even guerilla-shooting in the parts I'd want to. Too many people, too much noise, and not enough privacy can be found to get something decent if you ask me.

After my trip, which I absolutely loved, I've felt bad for any movie I see shot in NYC. We even saw a movie with Patrick Dempsey being shot in midtown when we stumbled past people telling us the block had been closed off and kept walking right onto the set. I would have hated to work on one of those. It's cramped and there's absolutely no control. I know that's true for most movie sets, but I just got a headache from seeing crowd control and PAs bend over backwards to try and tell people across the unblocked-off street to stop waving their arms and looking at the camera.

On another note, I might look at NYU as a third option, although not including my thoughts on the campus the students I know going there this year are, IMO, really sucky students and filmmakers.

Evman wrote:

Don't you just hate being an overachiever? Now we're locked into high expectations for the rest of our lives... If we'd started off as idiots, we'd have it much easier now! razz
Hehe, ain't that the truth. smile
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They're looking to be a 'name' in the college world.
Hm, odd. The ETH Zuerich, which is one of the most highly regarded universities in the world, doesn't have any higher entry level then the rest. It's not to get in that's the trick here, it's to stay in. smile

Ah, fortunately I get my graduation diploma in 2 days. So I'm at the end of the road you're about to take. Everything looks so much easier from here, heh. Good luck to everyone. Enjoy it, it's a fun time no doubt, no matter where you are or what grades you have.
Posted: Sat, 25th Aug 2007, 6:31pm

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For me it's not so much about learning as much as I can about film, as I already know enough, but it's more about going to a big name school, so that later I can say "Hey Mr. Studio Executive, I went to NYU, one of the best film schools in the country!"

And I just want to go for the experience.
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Well, the top film schools in the U.S. are:

NYU
USC
UT
UCLA
AFI

The only one I'd be really worried about getting into, for any of us, is UCLA.
Posted: Sat, 25th Aug 2007, 8:05pm

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I'm seriously considering moving out of the country and attending a film school elsewhere. Me trying to get into college sounds like hell. I am in no way an 'overachiever'. I'll get my school work done, and done well. I'm not the kid that is constantly asking for extra credit.

I've started to read some reviews about a few colleges I'm interested in, and I've become completely discouraged. Full Sail has been referred to as a complete scam, and SCAD is supposedly around a crime ridden part of Savannah, Georgia.

UCLA looks like a good school, even though it has the student size of a small town.
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Full Sail, at least from what I've heard, is a total scam. Real crap. You know something's up when their most notable professor is the co-creator of D&D.
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"Those were the days..."

Hey Fill, "Full Sail" has been around a long, long time, but I have always thought of it as a recording engineering school. At least, that is what it started as way back when.

Like anything else, it is gonna be up to you with what you do with it while you are there. As someone who has "been there, done that," my advice to you younguns would be to chase your dreams NOW! It is much, much, more difficult to do at a later time in your life. This is the time in your life to do what it is that YOU want to do. Don't look at the money when you are finished, you cannot view you career choice by looking at that.

I firmly believe that if you get involved in your program (regardless of where you are at), network and don't act like an ass, you can excel and succeed in the end.

A lot of you guys here have an incredible amount of talent to be so young. Getting your foot in the door is the next thing you will have to do, unless you are already connected. My advice is take part in every possible opportunity once you get plugged into your program at school.

For anyone interested in the recording industry, you should check out Middle Tennessee State University. Very competitive, but the best program around.

Good luck to all you guys.
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I have a 3.5, I've taken and received a 'B' in 4 AP classes (one of them being Latin, dear God), I have a 1280 on the old SAT level, 1940 on the new (the new writing section added), taking it again in October, and I am going to shoot for passing the SAT2 Math part 1 exam, I'm taking all honors classes + AP Computer science + a public speaking course at a local college. That's where I stand, and yeah, I'm nervous as hell. I have never taken anything less than honors if it is offered and have only ever received one 'C' in a highschool course, the rest are B's and A's (mostly B's because I am lazy...) I am getting letters of reccomendations from one of my AP teachers, my Latin teacher, and a city counsel member (who apparently writes good letters of reccomendation.) I am kind of feeling like film isn't my calling. It's fun to do with friends, and I'll do it for years to come, by I can't see myself doing it as a proffesional. I think I might pursue photography as a career.

I have a question for all you college-bound American FXHomers: what is the application process like? I am fairly clueless, but I've been looking at colleges for a year, I've been doing extra-curricular stuff, etc., but I've never thought about submitting my applications, and I am starting and sending them off in mid-September. Do you literally fill out forms and send them off, then later write your essays, and if you need to, send in stuff like portfolios to get into the specific school (like NYU's Tische film school.) I am still going to apply to all the film schools (NYU, USC, UCLA, FSU, AFI <specifically) and do my best, but if I don't get in I won't be that discouraged. If someone could post a brief timeline of what you actually do to apply to a single school + its film school, I'd appreciate it. If not, I suppose I'll find out soon enough.
Posted: Sun, 26th Aug 2007, 2:00am

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I've been seriously weighing my options for the past year or so and I've pretty much narrowed my choices down to Columbia Chicago and North Carolina School of the Arts. Both schools seem to have very good film programs (I visited Columbia last month and hope to visit NCSA in October) and I think I could see myself excelling at either.

I've got a 3.75 and I got a 29 on my ACT which, from talking to admissions people, seems to be good enough to get into my top schools. I'll be spending this year taking the last of my required classes and a few electives (mainly video/film oriented) and applying for whatever scholarships I can find. I'm not too nervous about the applications but I'm sure I will be soon enough. confused

Good luck to everyone else!
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Serpent, first decide if you plan on applying to a number of colleges. Most people do like 4 or 5, but I'm going to try and do 6, maybe 7 or 8.

Application Choices

It's not a big deal unless you apply to places with a huge disparity; which will cut off your application if they see it as your 'safety school'. For instance, you apply to Princeton in hopes of getting in, but also apply for Virginia Tech (just an example). If Virginia sees that you actually want to get into Princeton, and are just using them as a backup, then they're likely not to accept you. Colleges only want people who want them, mostly. If you apply for all similarly-rated schools, you won't have a problem.

If I apply to UT, SMU, USC, and NYU; NYU might look like my choice, but since USC and UT both have equally good film programs, colleges are likely to think they're still a big part of my choice. So first make this decision.

Scholarships

I'm not going to assume you necessarily need a scholarship or anything, but since myself and most American students do, I'm going to go ahead and say this.

A smart thing to do is sign up for scholarship information at FastWeb. They offer TONS of scholarships anywhere, for anything. There's literally a 500 dollar-per-person endowment if your last name is "Van Koltan" or something like that. Seriously. Pick your preferred colleges, and it'll email you info whenever a scholarship that you're a likely candidate for pops up.

Get a good resume

After that, the actual application process is pretty easy. You need to have good numbers, of course, but next up is a resume. A standard. bulleted, annotated format is pretty standard; but my college counselor, the Dean of Admissions at UT, and the Princeton Review all suggest focusing on the one big thing you're involved in (video achievement for me) and dedicate somewhere around two paragraphs to 7 or 8 separate items each.

Mine would speak of my employment for graphic design and video, and then my video and graphic design talents that I used as a community service for the VoteStettler.com project, or something along those lines. I can email you my (rough) resume for an example of this.

Sign up for The Common Application

"What's the Common Application?" you ask. Well, the CommonApp is essentially a digital application that submits your data to the schools you select from over 320 of the participating colleges and universities. Most schools are on here. Head over to CommonApp.org and fill out your data accordingly. This is a completely official thing and should be taken seriously. It's not a third-party 'application helper', it's the actual application.

Why do it on the website? Well, it's a hell of a lot easier than asking for them to mail you physical papers, and then mail them back AND it saves an average of 60 dollars per application on application fees. In fact, most of the online submissions for CommonApp are free.

After that, I suggest you pray, haha. Get a portfolio and a good resume together, and then see what the colleges you want to go to require. Most will accept the Common Application, but if they don't (check Wikipedia to see wo accepts and who doesn't) then you'll have to get into contact with someone at the college and requesat they send you an application. Another good idea is to find your local representative for whatever college you want to go to (this usually only applies to schools within the state, be them public or private) and ask to sert up a meeting with them to discuss your chances/get you an application and, maybe, an upper-hand.

I hope this helps!
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Hmmm, Sollthar, Switzerland is sounding pretty good right about now... biggrin
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Evman wrote:

Hmmm, Sollthar, Switzerland is sounding pretty good right about now... biggrin
I was thinking the same thing. smile

On another note, anyone checked out the film school Eicar in France? I know someone going there, and if I'm not mistaken, MMMprod went there, and he's not a terrible representation of the work that comes out of there either. smile
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I have a 3.8, 28 on the ACT (plan on retaking), have almost my entire freshman college year out of the way in credits, taking 3 AP classes this year, am a member of NHS, and will have plenty of letters of recommendation.

I'll probably end up staying in-state (U of A, ASU, NAU), only because I'm guaranteed a full-ride for exceeding all three of the AIMs (exclusively AZ) tests, and received no C's. Now, I would love to go out of state, but I'm worried about scholarships. I attend a school with around 2,700 students, and am ranked in the top 15%, but I don't think that my credentials are high enough. Oh, and we don't weight the GPA here either. If that was the case I would have well above a 4.0; I have taken almost solely honors classes all 4 years.
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Just got my schedule for this year, all classes are a whole year, and here's what I have:

A Days.

1. AP English Literature - we had to read Crime and Punishment and Kaffir Boy, but it turns out the latter was just to make the uncultured kids feel guilty for not reading enough about African struggle. It was just to have people read, not for merit. Huh.

2. AP Psychology - cool class, seems easy enough. My school's making me take a prep semester before I take the AP class itself, go figure. The teacher told us about the first time he accidentally got high from a car fire. Guy's full of stories.

3. Multimedia - Jesus Christ, we had to animate a clipart picture using PowerPoint. I might just kill myself. Naturally, I photoshopped my own image, brought it into Flash, and animated something leagues better than everyone else. I wonder if they'll let me transfer out to study hall, if that even exists.

4. Yearbook - the old teacher, who was good at writing recommendations (the whole reason I took the class) left. Some new guy who loves QuarkXpress is there now.

B Days

5. AP Physics (Electricity and Magnetism) - I'm screwed in here. That's basically it.

6. Senior Thesis - I figure I'll just make movies during this time. That, or go on Wendy's runs for people.

7. AP Calculus - haven't been here yet, but this is gonna be a b!tch, I just know it.

8. AP Gov't and Economics - same teacher as Psychology. Seems cool.


Okay, well I know I didn't need to give everyone a huge dissertation, but to my dismay this year I'm taking 5 AP classes and likely 7 AP tests (if anyone's seen my paintings from my other thread you might know I've already taken painting classes, just not the AP test itself. I gotta do this.) and so I'm hoping that even if I can't raise my GPA, I can get a heavier weight added to what I already have because of the load of APs I am taking/have taken.

Anyone else on nearly as bad a schedule? I'm gonna have to do work out my ass just to keep up this year...
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Wow, the American school system is crazy. Can't you just... you know... go to learn things?

Anyway, my advice about college/university is this - don't go somewhere just because it's got a 'good reputation'. Go somewhere where you think you're going to enjoy yourself because that's the main thing, imho. As other people have said, uni is a time for you to meet new people, to experience new things, to find out who you are and what you want to be. It's also a time for you to get a qualification that's going to help your career prospects for the rest of your life.

But it can also be a very miserable time indeed - if you've picked a city university, but at heart you're a countryside type of person, you'll end up feeling homesick and not doing well. The same goes for vice-versa, if you're used to the excitement of a city, and you go to a uni out in the middle of nowhere, you'll get bored and loose interest in your studies.

Also, don't pick a degree course because it's what 'your family expect of you' - this is probably going to be one of the most important times in your life to date, and you're going to have to become your own person at some point. Of course, take on board advice from your family, but don't let yourself get pressured into taking a degree you don't want to do just because it's what you're "supposed" to do. If you don't enjoy the work you're doing at uni, it's a pointless experience.

Also, remember that what you do at college/university isn't the be all and end all of your career. More and more these days, employers only care that:

1) You've gone and studied hard enough to get a good qualification

and

2) You've made the most of your time in higher education

So don't worry about taking a degree in graphic design if you're not sure it's what you want to do for the rest of your life; go out, enjoy yourself, meet new people, join clubs and societies, and experience what life is all about. And chill, because at the end of the day, some letters on your CV mean nothing compared to being a well-rounded and enthusiastic individual.

Cheers,
Arktic.
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Omg, Calculas is going to be a really big mission for you, here at age 16, to do calculas you have to be at or just below university level. But i don't know what it is like over there. I would show you my subjects for next year (new school year here starts february 1st) but it's packed away in a big pile of boxes ready to be moved into a new house.
Well good luck for you ben and everyone else who is going to college, hope you do well. Good luck to myself aswell. haha
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Yeah, about Calculus...

In Texas you're supposed to take Algebra I as a freshman, Geometry as a Sophomore, Algebra II as a Junior, and Pre-Cal as a Senior. These are all state-mandated courses, not some local bull like some other schools here have. Well, somehow, my middle school got permission to start doing Algebra in 7th grade, and from there I was accelerated two years. I should've take Calculus last year, but opted to take another painting class instead.

To add insult to injury, my teacher is a thick-accented man of Indian descent (I could be wrong, though) and so he's not the easiest person to reason with if an argument is to arise. I'm just going to have to roll with the punches on this one.
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Yeh. Talking about thick-accented teachers, we always have relief teachers that are asian, and can say only a couple hundred words in english:(. And many scottish or welsh teachers with very strong accents, which are also hard to understand, but i manage. smile
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Arktic, I'm glad someone feels the same way as me. Everyone I know is freaking out about getting into the absolute best college possible, even if they don't necessarily want to attend. I am definitely not going anywhere that I won't enjoy.

I was thinking about going to Evergreen State College, in Olympia, Washington. Huge liberal arts school- No grades, or tests. You get evaluations at the end of each semester. Extremely small class sizes, and professors are very personal. If you KNOW what you want to do when you get there, it will happen.

But, it's in a very rural area, and I'm used to bigger cities.

now I'm looking at University of Oregon, still liberal arts, or University of Washington.
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hehe, do like I did, pick a country you want to go to, pick a school kinda randomly, apply, and then go there smile

that for me meant 4 years slightly north of minneapolis at a smallish private college. looking at the three other colleges nearby, i think attending any of them would have been a great experience.. so.. smile that's my useless 0.2 smile

here out in the real world back in norway, having gone to "the" college means absolutely nothing to anybody. i studied directing for 4 years in the USA, period smile

my general advice to anyone is: go abroad, it just adds so many extra things to your education and.. uhmm.. growth as a person.
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ben3308 wrote:

Anyone else on nearly as bad a schedule? I'm gonna have to do work out my ass just to keep up this year...
Teehee. I'm taking Astronomy and doing a few independent studies. I don't anticipate having to work so hard senior year. smile


Like Arktic said, you should really worry more about having fun rather than taking every single class out there or going to an elite university just because "it looks good." First off, colleges can easily see through candidates who take a bunch of classes just for college admission. They're not stupid. biggrin Also, it looks even worse to colleges if all you did during high school was study rather branch out and explore the world pursuing some passion. If you have a passion, which obviously you do, then it would make more sense to focus on that passion and make high school revolve around it rather than around college.

Because if you think about it, almost everyone applying for colleges will have done a dozen AP classes and a bunch of other usual Ivy league college cr@p. And these candidates aren't all intelligent, hardworking youths...most of them are idiots looking to fool the college into accepting them despite even knowing that they are clearly not ivy material. Since the standard applicants tend to be homogeneous in their curricula and activities, it's harder for college admission staffs to distinguish the good candidates, the ones that are fixated on some dream and will do everything to make that dream come true, from the ones who are just there for a name or "just because."

Thus, it's beneficial to highlight that which makes you different from the pack.
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Arktic wrote:

Wow, the American school system is crazy. Can't you just... you know... go to learn things?
Yes you can.

It just depends which school you go to. Some schools are hardcore and do everything to become #1, even if it means pushing kids to take a gazillion AP tests.

The more forward thinking schools (like mine) have abandoned APs and have moved away from the traditional, industrial mode of thinking mandated by the government, and towards an environment that allows for true learning.

Heck, all my classes are designed to actually have some meaning. Advanced Calculus? Pfft. We focused on applications and designed roller coasters and measured the volume of objects. It was the best and the most fun class I had last year, even though the subject matter was a bit challenging.
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Wow Ben, that's a rough schedule.

I've got a few art classes, a study hall, US History, and American Lit, and Algebra II. I'm not too pressured by it, I'm just worried if I could ever get into a college with those classes. Atomic bros. have these AP classes all week, when I'm cruising in easy mode over here, haha.

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I really have no idea why people are posting their high school schedules here, it's really kinda pointless...

All I'll say is that its now confirmed that my first half of the year is going to be ridiculously difficult with 3 AP classes and Spanish filling out my day (mix that with college apps and stuff, and things'll get painful fast). Then second half of the year I have block 1 off (late arrival), 2 electives, and physics.

It'll be ungodly hard first half of the year, but I won't have to worry about slacking off second half, because essentially my classes are so easy that slacking off will practically be homework.

And for people critiquing the whole "don't go to a school based on reputation" thing, if you're referring to what I said, I did say I loved the atmosphere at NYU. I loved everything about it when I visited, and I'll enjoy it plenty... it just doesn't hurt to have a huge name school under your belt when you're going into the industry once you graduate, either! razz
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Arktic wrote:

More and more these days, employers only care that:

1) You've gone and studied hard enough to get a good qualification

and

2) You've made the most of your time in higher education

So don't worry about taking a degree in graphic design if you're not sure it's what you want to do for the rest of your life
I expressed my woes about wondering if I really wanted to go into film after college and this is exactly what my parents told me. It made me feel much better about going to college for *blank*. My Dad majored in history and now works in businness. I'm feeling much better now. So yeah, +1. I also just finished one application to the University of Central Florida (growing college in Orlando) and I am sending it in September 1st. I'm also applying to: NYU, FSU, SCAD. I still need to think about where else because I think I'm going to apply to 10 schools to be safe.
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Evman wrote:

I really have no idea why people are posting their high school schedules here, it's really kinda pointless...
Happy? wink

By the way, I'm really considering USC. I might take a visit next summer.
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I'm heading to Brooks Institute of Photography this Sunday actually, and I haven't even started packing eek

Anyways...
It's year round, so I will be done in 3 years instead of 4. I also heard from a lot of people that GE classes at Universities/etc. are just kind of a waste of time and you don't really start your major until the 2nd or 3rd year.

Ultimately though, in the real world, especially the film industry- It's not what you know, but who you know.

So hopefully all of our dreams will come true! biggrin
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My problem with going to film school is the expense. I have the academics, but I can't afford it. And to major in film at a local university would be a waste, I think. There are no connections, really, so it doesn't seem worth it. I can learn from experience what I would learn in film school.
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Steven Spilberg never went to a film school.
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Rockfilmers wrote:

Steven Spilberg never went to a film school.
so, some people go to filmschools to get noticed not to learn.

I'll be going to nc arts filmschool in 2 years but in that time I'll probably know enough to where i dont need filmschool but NC arts pays for the cost of your movie, so you dont have to budget it with your own money and it puts them into film festivals around the world. And if your films good enough they have premiers in New York and other places.

So with filmschools you some times get a bigger budget and more publicity to get noticed.

Heres a link if anyones cares

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wow, americans really are crazy!!

j/k but your system seems to be :p

in NZ we have 2 systems.

Cambridge International exams - same as england just a bit more difficult due to more people in the bell curve.

NCEA - the easiest way into uni possible becasue of its 4 grade system - fail, achieved(A) merit(M) and excellence(E). A is really easy its like a 40% pass :p but E is like 100% and you have to give really good answers.

all you need are A for NZ unis.

i took the cambridge course.

Im entering into a uni next year, as i took a year out this year.
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I think if you grow up with this system it's less bad than it looks to someone who is unfamiliar. Though applying to colleges gives me a headache, it could be so much more user-friendly. I think the systems in other countries are crazy. smile Everything you just said blew my mind.
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Everything you just said blew my mind.
Who me?
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Erm, I'm talking about the post before mine... The one referring to (I think) the British school system. I don't know what part of my post hinted that I was talking about your post that was clearly about the American school system.
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Oh sorry I really dont know why i thought you where talking to me. I guess i thought when you said "blew my mind" you where refering to something i said... I really dont know why. Sorry
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Its the New Zealand system
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A friend of mine goes to film school(not sure which one) and he says while he doesn't learn too much he gets access to the resources: sets, cameras, editing software, etc. and that is worth it.
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Rockfilmers wrote:

Steven Spilberg never went to a film school.
Quentin Tarantino says openly "screw college! Take that money and make a movie!" even if you aren't even going to film school.

And I always laugh, because for someone who did the exact opposite of that, his best friend Robert Rodriguez is arguably a better/more successful director (I'll give QT his writing)- and much more of a filmmaking pioneer than you'd expect the someone pushing the 'drop out of college' mentality actually is.

Another check on the reasons I don't like Mr. Chin-o-Forehead-Gigantous. wink

I also get a little tired of hearing the "Americans are crazy! The school system is crazy!". It is the way it is to ensure excellence- or at least- that you're really getting what you want/need out of higher education, and that the right people are in the right environment.

This whole 'craziness', at least to me, just sounds like harder work, even just to get in, and it's something I'm somewhat proud of. I know there are schools all over the world that are absolutely excellent, but I won't think for a second that America doesn't have one of the best higher-education systems in the world, and the 'craziness' is designed to make it that way.
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Yes, I agree Atom.

It's hard, it's sometimes ridiculous, but it ends up preparing you for certain things even before you enter college.

If it were too easy I wouldn't have any incentive to work hard at school (if I was already smart enough to pass the tests or whatever) and wouldn't learn good work habits. I wouldn't learn how to put together a solid resume and I definitely wouldn't learn how to make myself look good (if you think of colleges like potential employers). For those who take the college route in America, the benefits are endless (but for those who don't, they're doomed to becoming the stereotypical version of an American).

It's hard work, but it pays off in the end.
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As much as I dread parts of the application process, I wouldn't believe it if colleges only went by the numbers when allowing students in. Scratch that, number. If one test score was the make-or-break factor, I think I'd despise that system.

I mean, really, if the selectivity and exclusivity is so low that 40% of the people who just take the test automatically get in, what kind of environment are you really setting yourself up for? I feel stupid just going to regular 'academics' class (with the other magnet schools integrated) in my building where I'm the smartest, let alone a large university full of idiots.

The process is tough, but in the end I'd rather be at a place that wants its students; but for reasons more than what test scores they're capable of. That's why schools like NYU, MIT, and the Ivy League are so famous and so great (and it's not just because I'm American and can only see what happens in my own country, lol) because they accept the best candidates there are in order to give them the best college experience possible. I'll be damn happy if I get into the likes of USC or NYU and find my friend Evman going there as well. Why? Because we're both probably really qualified people. In fact, from some of the talents-that-be at FXHome, I wouldn't be surprised to see tons of FXHomers at one of these schools. Were the application process the product of one mere number, then this wouldn't be possible.

Even our art and music schools are this way, and that's something I'm glad to see- because if I get in, I get to be a part of that exclusivity, and it's nice. I'm sure my friend Tyrien (Watts in Redemption) sweated getting into Julliard for acting (6% acceptance, lower than any college in the world), but once he's in; it's a great, great, great place to be: amongst some of the most talented actors and musicians in the world.

All-in-all, it's a gamble, applying to colleges in America, but it's more than worth it in the end. In fact, I'm actually glad they make us work so hard to apply, because I think it sets up the enduring "American work ethic" that so few people tend to understand.
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BUMP.

College choices for me, as of late:


UT, maybe their film program, I hear Rodriguez stops by the building from time to time. He's an alumn, if you've read 'Rebel Without a Crew'. This will be really difficult to get into and my school has already warned the non-top-10% that our chances are low, even if we're comparatively better than the top-10% of other schools. All this for state, pssh.

USC, film program definitely. I really wanna go here. It's the first actual 'film school' ever made and sports tons of alumni I respect. A big issue is that their white male percentage has risen over the past year and they're looking to add more black females. Sucks.

NYU, film program definitely, though I'm not sure if I'll get in. Is it the Tisch school that I'd have to apply to? I haven't looked into NYU so much lately, but I think it's a good option. Anybody (Evman) here who can point to what I need to know about this?

Cornell, 'reach' school. I hear it's good, and I might as well apply.

SMU, maybe their film program. It's close to home, and is a really good school. The former reason might be bad, though, but I absolutely love the urban setting of Dallas for movies. (a la the urban grit in Marathon, Cover's Story, SC, etc)

Wofford College, mainly because I'm the only one from my school who wants to go here and the admissions officer called and is flying down to do a presentation at my school because I'm there and I've shown interest. He remembered me from meeting him two years ago. And Wofford's in the south, so everyone (girls at least) is hot. And the classrooms/campus is one of the nicest I've seen, anywhere. It's win/win.

That's the core list for right now. I've less and less considered Cornell (too unreasonable to get into) and have more and more considered Wofford and NYU. I think I've put too many eggs in my hopeful USC basket, so I'm trying to widen a few of my options.

Anyone else got a real core list solidified?
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Whoops, double post. Sorry!

One more thing, for anyone who's going to NYU, what specific programs are you going into? The NYFA that can lead to a Bachelor's, Tisch Cinema Studies, or Tisch Film&Television?

Also, anyone doing the portfolio section as a demoreel or as a singular movie. I dunno if I should just submit a movie of mine, or make a real cool demoreel. Any thoughts?
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ben3308 wrote:

Whoops, double post. Sorry!

One more thing, for anyone who's going to NYU, what specific programs are you going into? The NYFA that can lead to a Bachelor's, Tisch Cinema Studies, or Tisch Film&Television?

Also, anyone doing the portfolio section as a demoreel or as a singular movie. I dunno if I should just submit a movie of mine, or make a real cool demoreel. Any thoughts?
Most schools want a film rather than a reel. Some schools don't want a portfolio at all. I say submit a film.

Here's my list (though it isn't solidified):

FSU: Cool campus in a state I love, in a nice city, and if I major in film, their film program is nice.

UCF: Another Florida school. It isn't at the top of my list, but it's easier to get into and I really like the location (Orlando: lots of stuff to do, I have family there, near an airport). Great campus, it's a growing school.

SCAD: Very cool city, interesting school, it seems like a nice place to spend the next 4 years of my life. I'd either major in film or photography here.

NYU: This is the school I'd like a ticket into most. I LOVE NYC, and it is a great school with a film program and a photography program if I get into the school and not the film program.

I'm also going to wing it and apply to UCLA, USC, and UT because of their reputation in film. If I don't get into a respectable film program, I won't mind. I just want to have a good time, get a degree in something I like, and "find myself" and see what I want to do with my life. I definitely want to go into Film, Photography, graphic design, or etc. I think I'm fairly good at finding ways to make money, and I am confident I will be successful in something I enjoy with a college degree at one of the above. Read Arktic's post in this topic. My parents said the same and it's fairly uplifting.
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Oh no, too many NYUs on this list, we're gonna be competing now for these spots (indirectly of course).
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My mom told me today I probably shouldn't apply to NYU because even if I did it's the one of the most applied-to schools in the US and they don't give much scholarship money and when that happens it probably isn't something we can afford. At all, apparently.

Talk about closing the door before it even opens.

This sucks because I chose to go to a good high school so I could look like I was academics-oriented, and I made a strong portfolio, or at least what I'd consider strong in comparison to some of the stuff I've seen go into NYU.

Walking by, my dad also just said that if you don't have the money, you just can't go. He paid his way through UT's architecture school and is now doing some big stuff, but it's a money issue why he couldn't go somewhere like Rice for that kind of thing.

I will apply, though, regardless of what people say. Are you guys applying to the film academy's conservatory, the Tisch school's cinema studies, or the Tisch school's film & television section? It's a good thing we're most all white males, other way I'd be afraid of the competition being unfair. (from affirmative action and whatnot)

Ugggh, on an uglier note, Bush's daughters went to Yale. And their SATs were below 1100. How can the world end up being so unfair?
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Man, you all scared me with those SAT scores...I was in back when the max was 1600 smile I had a friend who went to UCLA wanting to be a film student, but she didn't have a portfolio and they only accept like 10 students a year. It's hard enough to get into UCLA as undeclared I'm sure. Don't apply to UCLA thinking that once you're in you can get into their film program...It'll be sour grapes big time.

Anyways, she still went to UCLA, studied hard and graduated in some communications degree I believe. But before that, she had an internship with Toby McGuire's (sp?) production company, going through scripts. (What a kickass job. She even gave me folders and binders of info on what exactly they were looking for. shhhh.)

When she graduated and with her experience she was able to land a job with a studio who's done a lot of advertising work and some small tv projects. She's not where she wants to be yet, but she definitely is on the right track.

No matter where you go, find internships (now if you can) and work your ass off. At least in the web design industry I'm in, just a degree won't do you much good. It may get your foot in the door, but you need some real world experience. This is probably all stuff you guys have been told, but thought I'd pass on those bits of info.

EDIT: For any of you in California (or not for that matter, just have to pay an out of state fee sad ) who are not as much concerned with the name recognition and would like to be at a cool campus, may I suggest CSU - Monterey Bay. They have a really cool, what they call, "Teledramtic Arts" program. I was only able to go for a semester due to some personal reasons, but the campus is great, my limited time with the teachers was awesome, the facilities were great and it's on the beach. I boarded everyday. So what if the water is in the Blood Traingle. smile

EDIT: Sorry, one more thing...Most of the UC or CSU school in Southern California have film programs including I believe, Irvine, Santa Barbara, Fullerton, and Northridge. There is also Loyola Maramount, which I toured and is a private school somewhere in LA. Like a fxhomer has mentioned before, you need to be near the action if you are serious about being in the game.
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Go to Brooks Institute of Photography in Ventura, CA. It's a year round 3 year program. I just started last Monday. It IS the most hand on film school in the nation and will give you more after school knowledge and hands on experience than USC. You also do your General Education classes but get thrown into film right away! It's all people who work in the industry teaching too! DO IT! I COMMAND YOU!! (just kidding) BUT SERIOUSLY
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BUMP!

Just finished my early decision application to NYU, and sent it all off! It's SUCH a relief! Now that the common app is all filled out, all I have to do is fill out some easy supplements and do some other easy stuff. I'm not going to do it until I hear back from NYU in mid December though, cause I certainly will have time if I don't get in to apply to my other schools.
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Congrats, and I hate you. I'm still applying and I will probably be working on it until December 15th. So far I've sent my SAT's, put in transcript request + money (our school charges us for our own grades), counselor recommendation, teacher recommendation, and 3 information applications. I still have to write all my essays (NYU alone requires 4 mini essays, 2 regular essays, and 1 film school essay, though I've outlined the prompt essay and written 3/4 rough mini essays), put together portfolios for 3/4 schools, put together a photography portfolio for NYU (applying to their photography program as well), then all supplemental forms. I've also changed the schools I'm applying to:

NYU film }-Theses two will be the hardest to
FSU film }-get into, and I'd really love to go to both.

UCF film - cool, new school; I should be able to get in here hopefully.

NYU photo - less competitive than the film school, but still tough.

Virginia Commonwealth University: only school in my state with a nice film program. It's not a bad school, it's also a party school. This is my last choice, but it'd still be cool and I'd apply to the above schools on transfer after first year.
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I'm basically down to UT and USC. I visited UT and thought their facilities were good enough. They don't do much on 35mm any more, but it's there if you want to use it. I also must say they have probably 100+ 30-inch new iMacs on the soundstage level alone.

While I thought I would be underwhelmed since, well, it is Texas and not New York or California, I was actually very excited about the University of Texas. More than anything, the school is ridiculously nice, the people in the Film program and the staff were extremely welcoming, and there seems to be a real creative outlet that I've thought was really 'missing' in most of the colleges I've looked at.

Also, while I'm not big about the 'keep Austin weird' campaign they seem to have going, the city and surrounding area is an absolute dream to film in. The police know students are out and about and don't hassle filmmakers if someone calls about something. The area is diverse in the urban areas and geographically, and it just looks plain fun.

Plus, I won't be in the hella debt you get at NYU. I still have my eyes on NYU, but the money turns me away more than anything. You can refute it or have 'plans' all you want, but the debt and tuition out of NYU, especially the film program, is basically greater than any other college in the US.

USC because it's USC, and I have my heart set on working and becoming famous in California. I know, I know. Everyone wants it. But that isn't stopping me, at least not permanently. I've talked to a film mentor I greatly respect, and he says USC and NYU I should look at if and when I decide to continue in film and go for a Masters Degree. And I think I agree. No one is looking for a student with a bachelor's at any college for TV or film.

I've finally entered a relaxed mindset about it. College is about fun and creativity. I plan to make all the movies I can at the highest quality I can. And you know what's great? My whole group'll probably end up at UT. And I think I'm okay with that. I've always thought NYU and USC would be better, but UT is #3 on that top U.S. film school list, and I don't care that the other two beat it. I'm still applying and all, but I think I know where I want to go.

Oh, and good luck Evman. Seriously. I hope you get in. If not, you can always tear it up down in Austin, Texas with us. (Oh, and you too, Serpent. smile)
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Atom wrote:

You can refute it or have 'plans' all you want, but the debt and tuition out of NYU, especially the film program, is basically greater than any other college in the US.
Untrue. Yes, it's around 50,000 a year, but my parents purposely spent money on a new car and other expensive stuff recently to get oodles more financial aid. We live in a relatively wealthy community overall as well.

Also, my sister is 11 years older than I am, so I don't have the obvious problem that you and Ben have, Atom. We only have to afford for one kid to go off to college! razz
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Untrue. Yes, it's around 50,000 a year, but my parents purposely spent money on a new car and other expensive stuff recently to get oodles more financial aid. We live in a relatively wealthy community overall as well.

Also, my sister is 11 years older than I am, so I don't have the obvious problem that you and Ben have, Atom. We only have to afford for one kid to go off to college! razz
I'm just trying to watch out for ya, Evman. smile You know as well as the rest of our group how angering it can get to see how ridiculous and almost impossible this college system is.

I just get perplexed as to how NYU is the most expensive American college and leaves another $50,000 in indebtedness from other things than tuition on their students, with minimal student aid. Honestly, and this goes for all colleges like these, UT too, it's like they don't want people to learn. Like they try to stop it all. I'm not in any way condemning you for wanting to go there or ragging on it being a GREAT school, but I think you know my frustration with things like that.

Although, I guess a good and a bad thing, the extra $50Gs likely comes from costs of using real 35mm and 16mm film instead of digital, which is something cool.

But it's still #3 on my list. Who knows, we may work together on the first amazingly, cinematically climactic comedy about nothing. Now that would be cool.
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This is freaking me out. All the younger fxhomers are going to college? And good ones? Bums me out I stayed in town and went to bum ol' University of Utah.
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My NYU application has been in for about 3 weeks now. Obviously, I hope I can get in, but my heart isn't completely set on it. This is my portfolio piece:

www.klauskrew.com/apps.mov (i suck at compressing. i apologize.)

Its the first ten minutes of a much larger scale movie I have been making this summer/fall. Besides the wind in a few of the shots, I'm pleased with it. Another huge component is the writing sample, and I think its important to not overlook it. I wrote mine about how I severed my pinky back in kindergarten. Evman, I hope to see you at Tisch next fall!

Also, this thread just makes me nervous.
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Atom wrote:


I'm not in any way condemning you for wanting to go there or ragging on it being a GREAT school, but I think you know my frustration with things like that.
Alright, initially it just sounded like the old "I know I can't go now cause of money, so I'm going to just keep stating how expensive it is to make others who have applied feel bad and to tell myself over and over that I don't need to go there." approach.

I can see now that that wasn't your intent.

Klausky, nice film! Did you apply Early Decision? (If so, we are competing against one another directly! twisted razz )
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Evman. You better believe I went early decision. Something about having better odds in an already ridiculously competitive application process just made it seem like the right decision. Hope we both make it.
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Klausky wrote:

Hope we both make it.
Amen.
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Dude, Klausky, that was a great movie you made there.
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Has anyone heard of fullsail in orlando?
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Rockfilmers wrote:

Has anyone heard of fullsail in orlando?
Yes. That's more of an advanced tech school. If you are going to go into VFX, go to an arts school. I can't imagine anything Full Sail is good for unless you have no idea what you are doing when you enter. It's not my thing, but maybe it's yours, so don't let my word shut it down. But if you want to get a degree that is taken seriously, I'd say go to a college and get the college experience etc.
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I have a freind that wnet there for music recording and he said it was realy good. I'm also thinking about the DAVE school.
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I have a freind that wnet there for music recording and he said it was realy good. I'm also thinking about the DAVE school.
If you're really only 15 I suspect you'll change your mind and outlook a few times before college really is upon you. You can discuss it now, sure, but there's no need to really worry or ask about stuff until judgment day comes. smile
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Gents, I be in. I be in!
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To NYU? Congrats!

Now you just have to come up with $200,000 plus expenses.... biggrin


I'm currently rushing my ass off to apply to USC. I hardly have anything together, Monday is the duedate, and they apparently only accept a portfolio description, not just a portfolio. I hate to sound arrogant here, but I'd like admissions to actually see my stuff so they can tell for themselves that it's well above the average joe filmmaker.
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Klausky wrote:

Well, I'm in!
Congrats! That must be a huge load off. I, however, am still waiting with apprehension. When did you get your letter? I assume I'll find out soon then. *bites lip*
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I don't mean to sound too frank here, but how do you guys have the money for NYU? Did either of you get scholarships or something?
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I don't mean to sound too frank here, but how do you guys have the money for NYU? Did either of you get scholarships or something?
Nope, no scholarships.

My dad works a considerable amount, and we only have one kid to worry about. My sister is 28 and went to MIT from 1997-2001. The tuition was roughly 38 thousand a year, and when adjusted for inflation, that's roughly the same amount as NYU is now (if not a tad lower). We also live in a wealthy area in general, and my school is well respected in the east coast area.

That being said, I still don't know if I've gotten in... if Klausky has already gotten his letter, I could probably expect mine on Monday or sometime this week then. *Continues to be fearful*
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Wow, man. Congrats on your sister at MIT, to say the least.

I dunno how people afford NYU, I guess. I was going to apply- but then realized it wasn't even an option. I mean, my dad designed the Palms in Vegas (the hotel in that Britney Spears music video where she drowns in the bathtub? He did that room, too) and still our family is short on money.

Is NYU's Tisch still open for admission? It's not closed 'til like December 15th, right? I just might throw down 60 bucks and apply, who knows. It'd be cool to hit up the film school scene with other FXHomers. American FXHome college film project, methinks?

Diff'rent strokes for different folks, I guess. biggrin
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Klausky wrote:

Gents, I be in. I be in!
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ben3308 wrote:

Is NYU's Tisch still open for admission? It's not closed 'til like December 15th, right? I just might throw down 60 bucks and apply, who knows. It'd be cool to hit up the film school scene with other FXHomers. American FXHome college film project, methinks?

Diff'rent strokes for different folks, I guess. biggrin
It's January 15th. You've got time.

Congrats on getting in Klausky!
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Congrats Klausky! I'm in film school right now! It may be a lot of work, but if it is something you truly love, you will do fine!
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Damn you Klausky! You got me thinking my letter was going to show up today, and now I wasted an entire day being apprehensive about nothing!

Luckily I'm not freaking out yet, as I know two separate people from last year (from the same area) that got theirs on the 12th and 17th, and both got in.

Still, you've succeeded in tightening my nerves, thanks a lot! razz



And also, I'm almost afraid to ask this, but was it a big, bulky envelope?
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Ok, I've been thinking about this and how can I start preparing myself for film school or whatever. I have a 3.2 GPA. that's all. Like how can I get colleges interested in me? What do I do. I don't want the time to come when it's to late. If I can start right now I will. So help me out here.
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I think you need to have a portfolio film, like Evmans Vivication.

But like I said, I only think, I'm not sure.
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Ok, I've been thinking about this and how can I start preparing myself for film school or whatever. I have a 3.2 GPA. that's all. Like how can I get colleges interested in me? What do I do. I don't want the time to come when it's to late. If I can start right now I will. So help me out here.
GPA
Not trying to be rude here, but what is your courseload like? Do you have a 3.2 GPA in all Advanced Placement courses? Some AP courses? If not, your GPA will make it tough to get into really any good college, as it's hard enough to do it with a 3.5 or up in all AP classes.

Again, I'm not trying to offend you, just wondering. If you haven't taken AP courses or only a few, stack up on them and take the ones your school offers that you think you can do best in.

Rank
How big is class size? Do you have 1,000 students in your graduating class? 250? 50? This matters, as it determines your rank and percentage in class. This is very important, more so than GPA. The rule of thumb as of now for most American colleges is that top ten percent is almost universally required to have a 'shot' at moderate to great colleges.

Then, for film schools like NYU, USC, UNC, or UT the baseline percentage is top 6% of class. This means someone like myself, who is ranked 18 out of 322 students in my class, is basically "okay" for admission. Again, rank is important, and most schools give severely-weighed ranking based on the number of AP courses you take, not the grade in them.

ACT and SAT
These are important. Being 15, the writing section (a possible 800 points) on the SAT will likely become equally-important as critical reading and math. General scores, baseline I mean, for college are around 600 in every field, equaling a 1800. However, many students faulter in math or reading and make it up in the other (ex. a 400 in reading and an 800 in math). Be sure that if this happens to you, it isn't in reading, as it's not completely looked at by colleges just yet.

This was the case, yet again, for me. I had a 750 in writing and a 600 in math on my last test. Although the overall score would've been the same, for 2008 applicants it would've been better to have those scores flipped. But like I said, this is the first or second year for the writing section. In two years, it'll likely be looked at more closely by colleges.

ACT is another business. All I can say for that is that while the average score is around 26, good measure to get into college is around a baseline 27 or 28. Shoot for a good 29-30 if you can, and don't forget there's a science section.

Most of all, though, take all of these tests early. Like now. And see how well you do and what you need to change and learn to do better later on. Most people take each 2-3 times, but don't be afraid to take them now and take each 4-5 times. No one cares, and it only helps your chances.

Teacher Recommendations and Rules
For film schools especially, these are both extremely important. Get the best recommendations you can from a multitude of sources, and then weed out some and find the best ones. Not all teachers give sterling reviews or care that college depends on their word, even if it does. For this reason, review everything you do and receive carefully. I've been lucky enough to get absolutely perfect teacher recs sent without my even reading them until after they had been sent. Luck for me, I guess. But that's not always the case.

And as with everything, be conscientious, careful, and take your time. If you mess up, chances are you'll be so wrapped up you won't even notice and it could be detrimental later on.

Portfolio and Resume
I can't stress enough that portfolio pieces and films actually aren't that important besides specifically NYU. More important is a list of works and a comprehensive resume that carefully details EVERYTHING important or influential you've done througout highschool. My resume is 5 pages long, and while some of my peers may laugh at that prospect, I've been told by every college source that not only is it perfectly fine, but far preferred, as it gives the best look into who you really are.

Make the best work you can in film, but don't worry too much about it. Chances are you'll end up with one really great gem you can use for portfolio without even thinking of it. Look at Cover's Story or Madison Street Boys. Neither were at all intended to be used for college portfolio stuff, but both (imo) are up to my standard of strong pieces to put in it if need be. And for NYU, I likely will.

Essays
Say everything. Think of everything, and don't be afraid to break the generic formula or speak your mind. Write the best essays you can, but don't worry about using big words or sounding articulate. Be yourself and, again, convey who you are the best way possible.

Summation
Past that, it's all really just time. Make sure you know what you generally want to do and where you want to go. Take a broad look at yourself and figure it out. Prioritize, but don't be confined. Your future is entirely up to you, from college to your career. The best thing to do is make sure it's all of the quality that best represents who you are.
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Oh come on now Atom, no need the scare the kid! razz

I think your whole class rank thing is just wrong, while everything else is pretty much right on.

I go to a school where most of my friends have over a 4.0 GPA. This is incredibly frustrating because I have a 3.9, which, by normal standards, should be very good. As such I have no idea what my class rank is, but I'm sure it's gotta be somewhere in the top 20%.

NYU is very different from a lot of other schools, as it puts almost equal weight to creative works as it does academics, which helps me greatly.

That being said, I've already been accepted to Penn State based on credentials alone... so... razz
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Evman wrote:

NYU is very different from a lot of other schools, as it puts almost equal weight to creative works as it does academics, which helps me greatly.
Exactly. One thing I've learned over this whole process is that rank is a critical factor in every major American college or university. Even moreso in small private universities or liberal arts colleges. Maybe not for NYU, but for every other that I've looked at even briefly. (And that's a lot of schools.) It's very important, there's no way around it. Unless you've got a really good ACT/SAT like Ben's 33 to counter a bad rank (I think he's got 40 kids in his class) you're somewhat screwed.

I'm just trying to advise him as, let's face it, no FXHomers really helped prep us, we've helped eachother.
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Congrats on Penn. State admission, Evman, I'm assuming you went early action on it? Or are you automatically accepted because it's where you live + you have the appropriate test scores?
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Congrats Klausky. I didnt even apply to NYU, My grades arent up to par.

This is my second time applying to Colleges. I went to a JC for 2 years and well here we go again. Im Applying to USC (again), LMU (again), UCLA, Chapman. Ive already been given a guaranteed spot at USC but not a guaranteed spot in the film program, which is the whole reason I want to go there.

As for high school grades, I had a 3.6 GPA. So dont worry if you dont have quite a 4.0.

Ben3308,

I see that USC deadline snook up on you too. I wish I could have talked to you earlier to help you out with your apps. The reason USC doesnt want to see your films is because they arent looking for the guys with the best video talents. I know it sounds dumb, it did to me the first time I heard it. But the USC school of film is all about finding those who are different from the rest. They dont care if you are better than others, all they care is that you are different from other filmmakers. By the way, I dont know if you already know this but you are competing for 1 of 40 spots in the film program. Good Luck and I wish you all the best.

TO EVERYONE ELSE,

If you dont get into a good film school or any film school at all that doesnt mean you cant be a filmmaker. Dont let some addmissions people tell you that your not good enough . Dont give up and keep making films no matter what happens.
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Dancamfx, I just got all my standard "USC Application for Admissions" in online.

bleh, edited for prudence. biggrin

So now that I'm pretty sure my application is complete and done, all I can do is pray. Wish me luck, guys! biggrin

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I'm not trying to advertise at all, but I am currently attending "Brooks Institute." It is a very hands-on/fast paced school, and you learn ALL aspects of film making.

From the webpage-
"The film program began at Brooks Institute in the mid 50's. Considered by those in the industry as one of the field's best kept secrets, this program has a long standing history of graduating some of the best in the field. Isidore Mankofsky, Cinematography for The Muppet Movie and Somewhere in Time; Dominick Palmer, Cinematography on the TV series M*A*S*H; Robert Legato, Academy Award winner for Best Effects (Digital Domain) on the movie Titanic, and Visual Effects Supervisor for The Aviator; and most recently, graduate Boris Undorf, Best Cinematography at New York's VisionFest '04' Festival for Sonata."

Here's the website-
http://www.brooks.edu/mpvideo.asp

Hope this helps some of you! smile unsure
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ben3308,

I probably misunderstood but did you say that you were going to mail in parts of your app tommorro? I hope this is just a misunderstanding because SC needed all parts of your essay turned in (Not Postmarked) by today 12/10/07
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Damcamfx, I turned in the USC application and have correctly packaged/postmarked my materials in the right amount of time. I think I'll be alright.
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Got my UT and USC applications in as of now. Now I've got NYU to tackle and some smaller private film and business schools. It's finally feeling a little bit less pressured. About damn time if you ask me.

Now on to MSB!
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ok good. I turned my apps in on Thursday and I thought I was cutting it close to the deadline. biggrin
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So I just checked the mail, and there was the regular Student Newsletter from NYU in there, which got my hopes up until I saw what it was, then I realized what a dick move that was for NYU since I STILL haven't gotten my letter yet.

DAMN YOU KLAUSKY FOR GETTING MY HOPES UP!!! razz
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Evman, I have a few words that may or may not comfort you. I got into the NYU General Studies Program, which requires me to complete basic core classes in writing and culture with a 3.0 GPA before I can move on to film classes. Basically my Freshman year will be spent with other kids in the same boat, taking required humanities courses prior to begin filmmaking courses, and then with a few weeks of summer school at Tisch, I am guaranteed a spot as a sophomore. This is a small sacrifice I am readily willing to make. I'm not going to lie to you, I had serious doubts about getting in with the SAT scores I sent in, but luckily Tisch found something they liked in my portfolio, thus giving me an incredible opportunity. I also sent in my application 4 weeks early. They just want to see if I can handle the course load, which BY GOD I most certainly will!

I believe the only applicants who have been notified are some foreigners and members of the General Studies Program. So you either got into Tisch outright or were rejected. Hopefully you have both incredible grades/ scores as well as a peach of a writing sample/ movie. I spent a long long time on my writing, and I thought it was of better quality than my video. Going to Tisch my freshman year would certainly be incredible, but I realize my scores didn't meet NYU standards, and am thankful for the opportunity they have given me.
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Funny how different things are in England.

My High school and College results sucked mostly because I didn't have a passion for any of the subjects and spent my time learning digital skills such as coding websites and creating visual effects.

Something that the interviewers at University immediately noticed and offered me a place despite me not having enough points to get on the course. Needless to say that I got on, passed with consistently the highest grades in the class.

And I'm still doing well. All this criteria and grading systems... they're stupid if you ask me. Many people I've met who succeeded academically at a young age are amongst the dumbest people I know.

-Hybrid.
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Hybrid-Halo wrote:

All this criteria and grading systems... they're stupid if you ask me. Many people I've met who succeeded academically at a young age are amongst the dumbest people I know.
Seconded.

The government are obssesed with setting targets, education, environment, policing, finance. But when it comes to education it's not just students who are disgruntled, some teachers I know hate the system aswell, with all the targets being set and deadlines to meet, the actual education can be left behind, now sometimes it does work well, and as you say, people with less intuition can get very reasonable grades, but that may not neccesarily reflect on how they work as a person, how they interact with other people and even more importantly how employable they are.

Which plays a big part in how your life turns out.

Not your target minimum.
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I tried to balance out what you said, Hybrid, by both being a good student (go to US #1 public highschool) and honing my filmmaking craft(you've seen my stuff, you probably know this), and even then colleges tend to think it's a "one or the other" scenario.

Like, say, because my filmmaking is good, a business school will tend to think I'm artsy and stupid, and that my grades just came from luck. On the other hand, I've had a lot of colleges look at my academics and immediately push off my filmmaking abilities as being "likely lackluster" simple because of the fact that "you can't have both".

On a more positive note, I got all my materials into USC and received online verification of everything. (I did some barcode tracking thingy). On a bad note, however, my friend and often B-roll cameraman (who is the licensed pyrotechnician for all our films) submitted an application to USC's film school with similar quality essays (I didn't leave enough time to polish mine, heh), the same portfolio list (same movies, same accolades, different role) and a better rank (like ten places higher than me, even though his GPA is of less than .1 collegiate difference)

This worries me because they may accept him and not me; and while he deserves it, it is actually myself and my brother who put the most time/effort/ingenuity into the stuff we make.
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I've sent in my apps for the University of Central Florida and Florida State University film programs and general admission. The deadline is this Friday, so I cut it close. smile Now I have to apply to NYU, VCU, and then I need to look around for other schools to apply to. I don't really want to go to an all arts college, but I might apply to SCAD because I really loved the city. I just need to think of more places to apply in case I get denied from all, which hopefully won't happen, but they are all competitive schools so you never know.
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Places left for me to apply:

Cornell University's School of Art and Architecture

Wofford College's Business Program

NYU's Tisch School of the Arts (Film-Television Production sector)

University of Arkansas's Business Program (I have half tuition there)

Texas Tech's Business Program (my ACT gets me in guaranteed, with money. Plus the chicks are hotter than pretty much anywhere else in the country biggrin )
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If I find out I'm not into NYU, I've gotta hurry up and finish up applications for:

Emerson
Ithaca
Boston University
Syracuse

I've already filled out the common app, so all I have left is supplements and some short personal statements. I've already sent transcripts and SAT scores, but have yet to send Teacher Recommendations.

Of course I'm already into PSU, which is a nice feeling to have a somewhat respectable backup, if all else fails. Ironically enough, it's the farthest south college that I will apply to! razz
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ben3308 wrote:

Places left for me to apply:

Cornell University's School of Art and Architecture

Wofford College's Business Program

NYU's Tisch School of the Arts (Film-Television Production sector)

University of Arkansas's Business Program (I have half tuition there)

Texas Tech's Business Program (my ACT gets me in guaranteed, with money. Plus the chicks are hotter than pretty much anywhere else in the country biggrin )
I feel so bad for you, so many applications.

Also, I just got accepted into general admissions at UCF. I mean, I hoped I would, but out of state applicants have a tougher chance. So this is somewhat of a relief and now my parents can stop the "community college" pokes at me.
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Okay so I got a rather large envelope in the mail today and....


I'M IN!


As you can see, I'm VERY excited! razz NYU, here I come!
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Congratulations!

If you're not at all worrying over any tuition issues, I guess that means you're home-free! Awesome, no more college applications, no more hours and days of waiting of misery, nothing! All you gotta do now is graduate! (I can't wait for this feeling. I'll have to wait a few more months though, I'm sure.)
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Atom wrote:

(I can't wait for this feeling. I'll have to wait a few more months though, I'm sure.)
Trust me, it's one of the best feelings I've ever felt! Though it could be different for you, as for me, this was obviously my number 1 choice.
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Evman! YUSS! I look forward to working with you...come sophomore year I guess. Congrats, brother.
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Evman, that's really awesome that you got in, bro. (Though I never really doubted you wouldn't)

I'm applying to Tisch sometime this week. If I can find enough financial aid, I just might get going to NYU. Considering I get in, of course. biggrin

But wait, why sophomore year, Klausky?
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My situation is different than Evman's.

Basically, I have to take basic humanities classes as a freshman and maintain a 3.0 GPA in order to move into Tisch as a sophomore. I'm guaranteed a spot then, and I won't have to resubmit a portfolio because my artistic requirements met Tisch standards already (and in many ways trumped my less than perfect academics, which, in the end, got me in). It is called the NYU General Studies Program, and it is made up of 1,000 students who applied, were "rejected" by the school they applied to, but for some reason they are given an opportunity to demonstrate that they can handle the course load. 29,000 other kids are rejected outright, so I am extremely grateful to be given this opportunity. Its a "sacrifice" I am definitely willing to make, and as long as I maintain a 3.0, I'll be making movies as a sophomore with Master Evman. Forgot to mention that in addition to the 3.0, I have to spend 4 weeks in Tisch Summer School -- but New York City in the summer time? A great experience indeed.

I could probably get into a 2nd tier film program and take four years worth of film classes, but I feel 3 years of Tisch and its name on my resume will be ultimately more valuable in the long run. Granted, this all depends on me maintaining a 3.0, but you better believe that I won't eff up this chance! I just hope I won't be ostracized when I do walk through the doors of Tisch come 2009. smile
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Klausky wrote:

I just hope I won't be ostracized when I do walk through the doors of Tisch come 2009. smile
I'll make sure you're welcomed like a hero! razz
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Even though this thread seems to lean toward the film folks (as well as the forum itself)....

I got accepted to Carnegie Mellon University today. cool
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Congrats! That's really a great school! Were you early-decision?
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Congrats! That's really a great school! Were you early-decision?
Yup!

Oh, that reminds me...Evman, Klausky congrats on NYU as well!
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Carnegie Mellon. Great name. Great school.
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Wow, congrats mVPstar, that's a phenomenal school, you should be really proud!

So this week turned out to be the best week ever for me. I was out sick for three days, then came back on a Friday with the news of my NYU acceptance, and everyone getting all excited. And tomorrow I turn 18! Amazing week!

And (mainly to Ben and Atom who seem to be the financial police), just thought I'd let you know that I have a rough estimate now of a 9000 dollar Tisch Scholarship for freshman year. That's roughly a fifth of the cost covered so far. I'll get more accurate numbers after I send in the FAFSA in February.

I didn't specifically apply for any scholarships or any specific financial aid, so I don't know whether that money is due to merit based on my portfolio or whether it's a flat rate given to all Tish entrants.
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I'm sorry for being so bugging about tuition, I guess it's just so important to me and I have a real understanding of the impact on my parents and myself for the future that I feel the need to forewarn. I mean, really, I just don't want to see my buddy Evman paying off student loans for years to come, you know?

But I'm one of those lavish yet frugal/practical people, so I guess that's just me.
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I remember in Cover's Story we printed the screenplay onto already-used notebook paper. Yeah, we're frugal. But not, like, cheap. I buy brands and tip at restaurants. wink
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Yeah If i were to get into SC Im going to be paying alot of student loans. Ive got about $50,000 in my college fund but that will cover about 1 year. Haha
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So hey.

I got into the University of Texas Film School. Whoo-hoo!
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congrats! Is it your first choice?
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Congrats Atom!

North Carolina School of the Arts granted me an interview so I guess that means they're at least considering me. I'll be down there in about a week and a half to interview/tour the campus and hopefully I'll get a decision in early March. I hate waiting. Damn you people who already know where you're going. razz
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Klausky wrote:

congrats! Is it your first choice?
No, USC is. But then again, USC is like my dream school. I've always been a Texan state school supporter and would be overjoyed if I end up there. I've got about equal friends on either side applying to both, too.

We'll see how it all turns out in April, hopefully.
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Christ, I just found out that for two of my college applications, my transcripts didn't go through because of my bunkass counselor. I tried to get her to re-send transcripts with the appropriate CommonApp counselor forms (which I didn't have the first time I sent the transcripts) and when I said I needed them by the 31st- a generous date of return, 4 days, considering my future is on the line- she questioned whether or not she could do that, what with all the meetings she has to attend.

WTF is a counselor for, then? tard

Anyhow, I'm still waiting on my letter from UT. I have better stats than 99% of the people in the state, but the idiot top ten percent rule for the university is jeopardizing my admission. Moreover, even after getting accepted to the school I have to get into the College of Communication (2000 students), then from there the RadioTelevisionFilm Dept. (400 students), and then from there the film production program (40 students, give or take).

Some I'm a little worried.
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Congrats Atom, that's effing great! I'm stoked for everyone around my age. Everyone seems to be doing well, I feel like I've grown up with you all in a way (in an odd, modern internet way)--which I know sounds cheesy and whatnot. A lot of people are really sticking with it.

Ben, good luck. I'm in the same "waiting" boat as you. Did either of you guys end up applying to Tisch? I know you were considering it.
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Well, I got about halfway through the application, then realized I had so much more to do and that NYU was just way too big of a stretch finance-wise for me to consider it above USC and UT (which has a great communications school, see the Spotlight on Canta).

That and, I went for 6 years to a middle school and high school with no sports or real traditions or 'true' school habits, and I wanted the real college experience. If I get into UT, as much as I hate these kinds of people, I'm almost certainly going to join a fraternity just for the connections I can make in the business world with people's rich fathers.
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ben3308 wrote:

If I get into UT, as much as I hate these kinds of people, I'm almost certainly going to join a fraternity just for the connections I can make in the business world with people's rich fathers.
Oh, you would love my highschool. wink
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Well, I still have yet to get into UT or USC's Film School (I find out on March 15th!), but in the meantime I have, however, gotten into SMU's Cox School of Business, under their BBA Scholars program; meaning I can start on a BBA as soon as I hit the campus. To boot, they've sent me a $12000 scholarship and have given me two University Honors, which supposedly will get me benefits if I go there(?).

Cool stuff, especially if I don't get into film school. Weird to think that my higher academics would get me into an advanced business school, but even my creative talents aside, I'm not good enough for film school.... biggrin
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Well good luck ben. That would be awesome if you get into USC!
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Well, I still have yet to get into film school (March 15th, everything comes to fruition!) but for business school SMU gave me yet another 12 grand.

If they keep giving me more money and I still get into film school, I'll have a very big decision, haha.
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Since this topic was bumped:

I got into FSU. Once April 1 rolls around, I'll know everything.
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Congratulations, Serpent!

I agree, once April 1st rolls around we should indeed know what is what with where we're all going.
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Atom wrote:



I agree, once April 1st rolls around we should indeed know what is what with where we're all going.
That always seemed to me like the meanest date possible to send home letters. razz
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Congrats Serpent!
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That always seemed to me like the meanest date possible to send home letters. razz
Too true, too true. The irony.

And Evman, I'll have you know the last leg of my roadtrip to St. Louis I've subsided on a good dose of American Idiots 2 from my iPod. So, thanks for that. smile

"I wish I still bled blood.....before the transfusion."
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Atom wrote:



And Evman, I'll have you know the last leg of my roadtrip to St. Louis I've subsided on a good dose of American Idiots 2 from my iPod. So, thanks for that. smile

"I wish I still bled blood.....before the transfusion."
Careful watching that movie in a contained environment such as a car. There have been cases where people watching it on road trips ended up killing their trip-mates by accident screaming "I KARATE CHOPPED YO FAYCE!" razz
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So... *takes deep, depressed breath*

I didn't get into USC. I guess those good ACT and SAT scores, GPA, chair of community committees, award-winning filmmaker, and top 5% of class just don't cut it these days. Sigh.

Even worse, they have a flyer folder over on top of the acceptance/rejection letter that says in big bold letters "FAQ: Why did I get turned down?" which ruined the suspense for me completely either way.

I know I should feel good that now I won't be in decades of debt, but I'm not. Rejection is a cold-hearted bitchh that makes you feel like the tireless work for months and months wasn't worth it at all.

According to the letter, my application was put into further review or preliminary acceptance or something. But then they went back and reviewed 36,000 other in-state applicants and I ended up getting the cap.

There's also some note about being able to receive a degree without going there, but that'd be pointless. At least now I know I can tear it up at UT (where I really liked the film program, actually) and get all the same prestige without the cost.

Just gives me more money to head on up to New York some time to school my FXhome buddies who'll be at NYU. wink
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I just got into UCLA!!! .............................april fools smile
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Atom,

Dont worry about it, 2 years ago I didnt get into USC first time around either. My letter did say that they wanted me to re-apply and that even though I didnt get in they still wanted me as part of the trojan family. (Not to Brag)

Heck just go to a JC and try re-applying. Im eager to here if I got in or not but transfers dont hear until late May - June. unsure
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Well.... (takes similar deep breath)

I didn't get into USC either. Nobody at my school except for one girl who applied to Liberal Arts got in. And this is at the '#1 School in the Nation' mind you, haha.

Anyhow, I got into UT's film program, but because, again, of my school's small size, my rank percentile didn't qualify me for the college within the university. I got into film, but not the College of Communication, simply because 95% of the slots this year were filled by people in the top 10% of their senior class, regardless of extracurriculars or test scores.

This sucks for me, someone who went to a more difficult, smaller high school solely in efforts to prepare for college; who, after studying for the SAT and ACT and doing well (1400 and 33, respectively) and committing to making good student films for the people in and out of my community, I got screwed in the end. My high school basically cheated me out of getting into colleges I deserved to get into. Holistically, I am very qualified. It's sad, then, that at UT 95% was top ten, 2% was out-of-state, and only 3% was in-state non-top-ten. Bad numbers, I guess, I dunno. But had I gone to my brother's school I would've got into the colleges I wanted to, guaranteed. Literally, guaranteed.

Ugggh....this sucks.

Basically, because of my Catch-22 of UT admission, I have to enroll in the SFC 'summer freshman class' and get just 6 days between high school graduation and college enrollment. I hate how this has turned out.

On another note, I got into film school at Savannah College of Art and Design (SCAD), but because I have a twin brother, I will never have the money to go there. Same goes for NYU.

Funny, how unfair an awful lot of these things turn out.
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Serpent, when do you hear from NYU?
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That sucks Atom and Ben. Really sorry to hear about that. Just remember though, you guys still have amazing talent, so regardless of what film school you go to, your future in filmmaking should be optimistic.
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We've accepted it, I guess. Only a handful of people at my school (class of 350 or so) and two people at my brother's school (him and another core member of Atomic Productions, Ben #2) got into UT at Austin (the main state school). So we're kind of happy, I guess.

Now we're just working on dorms. It's such a ridiculously-competitive business that's so high-priced for so little space. But everyone says "you'll regret not staying in dorms your freshman year" so we'll see.

Ben has to go in the summer for classes, so Atomic Productions will be separated from him in moviemaking stuff for like 9 weeks. I guess I'll just work that much faster without my worse half. No idea how to shoot, though. smile
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Klausky wrote:

Serpent, when do you hear from NYU?
Just heard back the other day. unsure Didn't get in. I'm really not all that down, it just would have made things a little easier in my plan. I would have been incredibly stoked if I did get in, but not completely hurt if I didn't as I love the other schools I got into.

Between FSU and UCF, I've decided to go to UCF next year and I'm completely stoked. Both huge party schools, which is fairly important to me, and it's in my favorite state, in Orlando. My parents are also letting me buy an apartment sophomore year and beyond and renting out the rooms if I get decent summer jobs in college. I also have my cousins who live right outside the city, and they are both some of my best friends--it's a great safety net if I ever feel like crashing there. And the final major plus is the wildlife in Florida, which has always fascinated me. I've always been torn between photography/filmmaking and herpetology, which remains a major hobby.

I'm just finally glad I've heard back from everywhere, I've made my decisions, and the rest of the year is chill with parties, proms, etc.
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So, I've been accepted at North Carolina School of the Arts for filmmaking. It's a fantastic place and I was blown away when I visited in February. The campus is great and I know I'm going to have a fantastic time going there. biggrin
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Congrats, Harvey!

I was looking at University of North Carolina Chapel Hill, but decided against it. Great state, good filmmaking environment too. Good luck, man!
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I was accepted at Ohio State University...

...30 years ago. (My how time flies)

Enjoy college life, guys. Don't screw off too much. Learn as much as you can. Learn *more* than what you need to to just get by. Make friends. Expand your world.

Its hard to express, but in your college years and the first few years after that, you will probably feel more like yourself -- like who you really are -- than at any other time in your life. In spite of all the studying and hard work, it is a wonderful experience to step out on your own, find your own way, become responsible for your own successes or failures (especially in the still fairly protected world of college life).

After that, career and marriage and kids and obligations start chipping away at all that, whittling away at the freedom and clarity you once had.

So enjoy it. Savor it. (And don't screw it up...)

Tim L (OSU class of '82)
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Atom wrote:

I was looking at University of North Carolina Chapel Hill, but decided against it. Great state, good filmmaking environment too. Good luck, man!
Yeah, I really enjoyed myself while I was there. Nice weather, pretty good scenery, should be a lot of fun. And good luck to you at UT. I'm sure you'll have a blast! smile
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@Tim L
That's depressing. I'm going to try and plot my life out so I can have fun and freedom for all of it. You only live once, never settle.

I know everyone should savor college life because it is a very different time, where you are on your own and parents (usually) are still supporting you. But that's not to say the rest can't be awesome as well, just make it that way. And based on the attitudes of people I've met on these forums, I doubt anyone would screw it up.

So I understand where you're coming from, but the whole "this is it, these are the prime years, rest is down hill" is something I'm not going to live with.

@Harvey
Congrats! I love North Carolina.
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Congrats on North Carolina, Harvey, my friend has actually talked to me in detail about how great the place is. I really wish I'd applied there, haha.

On my own college front, I'm still on the summer thing at UT, rejection at USC, acceptance (but no scholarships) at SCAD .

On the other college side of things, SMU's Cox School of Business has given me honors enough to complete their MBA program by 2012, so I could get my Masters roughly 3 and a half years before everyone else. That'd be cool, if SMU wasn't 40 grand a year, which I can't pay for... sad

So I'm not going there. Most likely gonna have to do summer school at UT, which just crushes me. I hate how things turned out for me, and I think....well......that I ended up jipped by my highschool.
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I spent 5 weeks this past summer at North Carolina School of the Arts and had a damn good time. It is a great place for filmmaking, equipped with three large sound stages. The only drawbacks I could see were the city of Winston Salem and the academics taught outside of filmmaking, though the latter is merely a presumption. I'd be interested to hear what you think about those two things after spending a year there. Make sure to drink lots of Cheerwine -- it is a saintly drink. Enjoy the Chic-fil-a and BBQ as well. Congrats!
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Thanks guys! It feels nice to finally know where I'm going. smile

Klausky - The sound stages are fantastic and were definitely one of the selling points for me in choosing NCSA. In regards to the academics, from what I've heard from current students, they're taught with film/cinema in mind. But yeah, if you'd like, I can tell you more after I finish a year there.
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Klausky, you didn't like the old-money feel of Winston-Salem? Or the everlasting smog of cigars from corner-to-corner? biggrin

As for the food, North Carolina barbecue was good, but too light and different in nature than the authentic Texan barbecue I'm used to. BBQ, as it were, differs across America, but I (no bias intended) think Texas is really the best place to get real barbecue. wink

Something about vinegar-based barbecue sauce on pork with brussel sprouts simply doesn't compared to a hearty plate of beef brisket, fried okra, and cole slaw with brown-sugar-based, thick, spicy barbecue sauce slathered on the meat. Oh man, I can taste the BBQ now... biggrin
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but I (no bias intended) think Texas is really the best place to get real barbecue.
I think your mistaking "Texas" with "Black People" my friend.
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CX3 wrote:

but I (no bias intended) think Texas is really the best place to get real barbecue.
I think your mistaking "Texas" with "Black People" my friend.
You just made my day. smile

Congrats to those who got in. Ben, it sounds pretty rough... I'm officially sh*tting my pants over college. I don't know if I'll even go, now. If worst comes to worst, I'll most likely attend a smaller local school, then exchange two years in. I'm thinking of ditching film, actually. I'm really getting into graphic design. I like making films and everything, it's just a certain member of my film team(Pretty much the heart and soul of it) weighs us down exponentially. Lazy bastard...
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Well, since the college applications are over, I think it's safe to announce that I'm going to the University of Texas, and I could not be more stoked. Maybe it's just because I'm a Texan, but I always figured it as one of the higher-end state schools.

Anyhow, I start class in 3 and a half weeks. I dunno how fun that will be, but at least I have an 'Intro to Media' class in the Film Dept. this summer, so I'll have time to mess around with all the equipment and film some stuff of my own (I hope).
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Here in the UK our University deadlines were May 6th. I got into all but one of my choices, Oxford University said no sad (I think its because i applied to the college with the highest Eton intake, and im just a middle-class Lononder with a state education.)

On a lighter note, I have chosen to go to Bath University or Sheffield Uni, depending on my grades. AAA in Maths, Physics and Chemistry for Bath and ABC for Sheffield. Hopefully i'll get those grades in my A-Levels this summer.

Good Luck to all Fxhomers in their exams. Is anyone else going to Bath or Sheffield?

Chris
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Yeah. The Eton intake will get you every time!
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ben3308 wrote:

Well, since the college applications are over, I think it's safe to announce that I'm going to the University of Texas, and I could not be more stoked. Maybe it's just because I'm a Texan, but I always figured it as one of the higher-end state schools.

Anyhow, I start class in 3 and a half weeks. I dunno how fun that will be, but at least I have an 'Intro to Media' class in the Film Dept. this summer, so I'll have time to mess around with all the equipment and film some stuff of my own (I hope).
Congrats Ben. Hope you will learn a lot there, which you probably will.
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So as of 4 weeks ago I was accepted late into USC with a degree in history hoping to transfer over to the film school. Well about 2 weeks ago I get a phone call from the school of film admissions office and they gave me an offer I couldnt refuse, they had one open spot in the film school and they offered it to me and of course I took it. Is there anyone else on here that will attending the usc school of film in fall? Im so stoked right now!
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Oh snap! Congrats!
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Dancamfx wrote:

So as of 4 weeks ago I was accepted late into USC with a degree in history hoping to transfer over to the film school. Well about 2 weeks ago I get a phone call from the school of film admissions office and they gave me an offer I couldnt refuse, they had one open spot in the film school and they offered it to me and of course I took it. Is there anyone else on here that will attending the usc school of film in fall? Im so stoked right now!
Congratulations!!
I'm going to another school down in California.
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Thanks guys, im still in disbelief that the whole thing worked out this way.

Big Kahuna, what school are you going to?
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Brooks Institute
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Nice dude, they got a really good photography school there.
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I'm doing the film and video production
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Yeah I assumed that, but I did hear that their photo school is incredible
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Yeah from what I have heard it's pretty good. Photography kids are a little out there though.
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Yeah you're telling me, they consider themselves more of "Artists" then we do so most have the snobby mentality.
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A bit of a generalization. Nothing wrong with being out there either.

Anywho, I love photography. wink
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No, nothing wrong with being out there. I love photography myself. They are just those type of people who are really egotistical and complain about having to shoot a picture, when people like us have to shoot a movie.
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Big Kahuna wrote:

and complain about having to shoot a picture
Sounds like they found the wrong hobby. I know what kind of people you are talking about though, I'm just being an ass. razz
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Ahahaha, the thread has been bumped up from the grave! twisted

But really, instead of starting another thread, I thought I'd bring this back up as I (and probably a few other FXhomers) am starting/continueing to look into colleges. Though applications is a little ways off, I was hoping you guys could share your wisdom with the rest of us. How you're enjoying the college you've been enrolled in, for instance. Anyways, to start off, I had noticed that no one had mentioned applying (or even considering) for the California Institute of the Arts, which seems to be a pretty promising filmmaking school. Thoughts?
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Well, I'm going to plug that you should apply to Tisch at NYU, USC, SCAD in Savannah, and the University of Texas just because it's so awesome. But really, apply to those places just because it's worth it to apply there. I got into NYU but didn't end up going there - I would still feel bad, though, if I hadn't applied.

Also, if you insist upon Cali and you don't know if USC is for you, I highly, HIGHLY suggest Chapman in Southern California, the Dodge college there is great for film an offers more hands on work than any of the other majors like NYU or USC. A friend of mine goes there and works on movie sets almost every weekend, so that should give you some idea. Also, though it's less known, North Carolina School of the Arts has a great program.

Other than film schools, it's also a good idea to apply to Ivy's just because you'll wan to know your options. Some people apply one or two places and are done. I spent all my childhood wanting to apply to Harvard and then never did when the time came. I still feel bad about not doing it - although I did get into Cornell. wink
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I'm not going to pretend like I know a whole lot about other schools for filmmaking. All I'll say is that I applied to and got into Tisch at NYU and have now been there a year. I have not regretted it for a second.

It's not for everyone though. If you're dead set on the "campus" feel, then I'd recommend visiting NYU first, cause it most definitely is within the city. It's more like straight up living in NYC than in any campus. That at least was its appeal to me - as I don't particularly like college campuses and very much enjoy being out in the "real world" so to speak.

Moral of the story - don't just blindly decide to go somewhere without visiting it first. smile
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I truly feel for you man, I hated college apps like no other. I applied to USC, UCLA, LMU, Long Beach State, and Chapman University. I got into the USC School of Cinematic Arts and have been there for over a year. Its gotta be the most amazing school ever, I love being there every day. Ive already made several connections and gotten lots of work through usc after only a year.

When choosing your school you need to know what type of connections you can possibly get from going there. Also you need to find out what type of "filmmaking" that school teaches. For example, schools like USC and LMU teach Studio Filmmaking and schools like Chapman teach Independent Filmmaking. Make sure you go to a school that teaches what you want to learn. I have a friend of mine who went to chapman and hated the stuff he was learning so he transfered.

But the main thing you need to do is GET TO CALIFORNIA!! This is where the industry currently resides (For Now) and if you wanna work in the industry you need to be out here. Let me know if you have any questions.
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Dancamfx wrote:



But the main thing you need to do is GET TO CALIFORNIA!! This is where the industry currently resides (For Now) and if you wanna work in the industry you need to be out here. Let me know if you have any questions.
Disagree entirely. Don't pigeonhole yourself into going to California now. There is plenty of time for that later in your life (you'll undoubtedly end up there at some point). Use this time in college to get out and explore new things and new places. The industry is expanding, and CA isn't the only place where you can make great/successful films.

Sure, you can go out to CA if you want to... but honestly... why would you want to? razz
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How hard is it to get into USC's directing course? Do you need nothing, but top notch grades and lots of extra curricular activities (+ A shining portfolio?)?

And by the time you get in, is it good there?

Can I pm you with specific questions Dancamfx?

Thanks smile
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Thanks guys for your input. I wasn't sure about applying to the big schools such as USC and NYU, simply because I don't think my grades are up to par, but hell, why not give it a try. I was hoping for California to be the location of my education, but North Carolina seems to have a great (and more importantly affordable) film program. Evman, I'll keep NYU in mind, and be sure to visit it sometime soon. I've heard mixed reviews about the "real world campus" feel, so I'll be sure to check it out.

Thanks again guys.
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So for anyone in film school right now I have few questions. What kind of stuff are they having you all do up there? I've always wondered what film school would be like and I can't really picture an image. Do you all get to film stuff everyday or do you stay in books? What kind of homework are you all getting? And most importantly, do you feel like it has really improved your filmmaking skills? What I mean is can you do stuff now that you couldn't even begin to think of before film school?

The reason for these questions is because I've been getting mixed info about film schools lately. Some people say it's awesome(you guys) and some people think it's a waste of time/money. Like they say they just listened to some guy tell them stuff they already knew. All they learn was big fancy filmmaking terms.

I really would wanna go on to film school after high school, but I want to make sure it's worth it. I'm so glad they brought this thread back up. I'm gonna be a senior in less then 2 weeks so I'm gonna start planning what I'm gonna do with my life. If anyone could just tell me more about their film school experience that would be awesome. thanks
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I'm paying a lot of money for core classes this semester, and I won't even be touching my major until next semester- possibly next year. If the school you'd like to attend requires core classes before studying your major, I suggest finding a smaller college with transferrable credits to finish those courses before you find your way to a film school. Also, this increases your chances of getting into these schools, especially if you do well in you core classes. This, of course, is if money is an issue- regardless apply for as many scholarships possible. Those help a great deal. smile
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On that note, Fill, I've been considering going to the JC (I live by one, and I'm already taking classes there) to get my core classes out of the way, but wasn't sure if that was the smart choice. So thanks for the post about that. smile
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Evman wrote:

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But the main thing you need to do is GET TO CALIFORNIA!! This is where the industry currently resides (For Now) and if you wanna work in the industry you need to be out here. Let me know if you have any questions.
Disagree entirely. Don't pigeonhole yourself into going to California now. There is plenty of time for that later in your life (you'll undoubtedly end up there at some point). Use this time in college to get out and explore new things and new places. The industry is expanding, and CA isn't the only place where you can make great/successful films.

Sure, you can go out to CA if you want to... but honestly... why would you want to? razz
Why would you want to? Thats just about the easiest question to answer. Sure you can make a good independent film just about anywhere in the world and hope that someone discovers you, or you can go where the industry is and work yourself into it.

Ive met and worked with professional producers, writers, DPs, Directors, actors/actresses, etc all because Im out here as a film student and my connections through USC. If you want to make it in the industry you need to follow the industry where they go. Back in the early days of American cinema, New York was where the industry began but due to high costs of production, weather, etc. they moved to california. The industry in CA is expanding to both Canada and Mexico for the same reason they left new york, the cost.

Any serious aspiring actor/actress dreams to go to hollywood for the same reason filmmakers flock here, for the connections and the job opportunities.

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How hard is it to get into USC's directing course? Do you need nothing, but top notch grades and lots of extra curricular activities (+ A shining portfolio?)?

And by the time you get in, is it good there?

Can I pm you with specific questions Dancamfx?

Thanks
USC's Film program is set up a little different than other film schools. Everyone who gets into the film program is required to take certain film classes and then you're required to take a certain amount of electives. These electives span from:

(Motion Picture Editing, Sound Mixing for Motion Pictures, Intro to Cinematography, Practicum in Cinematography, Advanced Cinematography, Directing for Motion pictures, Directing for Television, Make up for Motion Pictures, Intro to Special Effects, Advanced Special Effects, ETC)

So everyone graduates with the same degree, theres no directing major or editing major. How it works is you graduate with a USC School of CInematic Arts Degree with a Focus on Directing. Some courses are harder to get into then others but Directing is a fairly easy course to get into.

I graduated High School in 2006 with a 3.65 GPA and a 1500 on my SAT and got a letter from USC that said "we want you, but we filled our quota for our freshmen year. Go to a JC for two years, get an A or B in every class with no less than a 3.6 GPA and I am Guaranteed a spot at USC. But this did NOT guarantee me a spot in the Schoo od Cinematic Arts. So after two years at a JC I got into USC and applied for the film school. On July 15th of last year I got a phone call from the film school saying I got in.

To get into USC, Grades are Important. 3.5 GPA is the average at USC. Your Portfolio isnt that important at all, kinda lame but its true. The MOST important thing about USC and Especially the USC FIlm School is your Application Essays.

I spent the last 2 years of my high school career trying to get into the USC film school and 2 more years in a crappy JC with no film courses so i could transfer. It sucked really bad for those two JC years, but it was so worth it. Best decision of my life and I saved a lot of money too smile

And yes, feel free to message me with any questions about the film program, the application, or anything else.

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So for anyone in film school right now I have few questions. What kind of stuff are they having you all do up there? I've always wondered what film school would be like and I can't really picture an image. Do you all get to film stuff everyday or do you stay in books? What kind of homework are you all getting? And most importantly, do you feel like it has really improved your filmmaking skills? What I mean is can you do stuff now that you couldn't even begin to think of before film school?

The reason for these questions is because I've been getting mixed info about film schools lately. Some people say it's awesome(you guys) and some people think it's a waste of time/money. Like they say they just listened to some guy tell them stuff they already knew. All they learn was big fancy filmmaking terms.

I really would wanna go on to film school after high school, but I want to make sure it's worth it. I'm so glad they brought this thread back up. I'm gonna be a senior in less then 2 weeks so I'm gonna start planning what I'm gonna do with my life. If anyone could just tell me more about their film school experience that would be awesome. thanks
RodyPolis,

Film school at USC has been the most amazing experience ever. A lot of people told me that film school was a waste of time/money but I learned more in the first semester at SC than I had for the many years taking film classes in High school, Internet forums, word of mouth, self experience, and movie watching.

Every semester at SC I take both hands on and film study classes. In my first semester I learned how to use 16mm Ari S Cameras which we shot 100 ft of film a week (One day of shooting), and I was also taking a sound mixing class where I learned to use Protools Mixing/editing.

My second Semester I learned how to use the Ari SR2 (16mm Camera) Aaton XTR (16mm Camera) Sony HD Cam HDW-F900. We shot 500 feet of film a week (One Day Shoot) and had one take home project shot on 300ft of 16mm.

But the most important things Ive learned both semesters is how to properly light a scene, properly framing shots , and how to tell better stories though film.

To give you a better picture I'll describe my classrooms. Im either sitting in a theater watching movies, in a sound proof mixing room, or on a sound stage shooting films.

Going to film school at SC is about $45,000 + a year and its worth every penny. My professors are either very knowledgeable on their subjects or they are professionals working in the industry. My Cinematogrpahy teacher is a real Director of Photography and my Sound Mixing professor was one of the sounds editors/mixers on films like "Raging Bull". They 're all pros and really know what they're talking about. They're not reading anything out of text books, all their knowledge is from experience.

I would really suggest going to film school. Like I said before it was the best decision of my life.
Posted: Thu, 30th Jul 2009, 12:06am

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Dancamfx wrote:



Why would you want to? Thats just about the easiest question to answer. Sure you can make a good independent film just about anywhere in the world and hope that someone discovers you, or you can go where the industry is and work yourself into it.
I was joking man. smile I've been to CA and didn't particularly like it in terms of atmosphere and just general feeling of it. Not really for me. It's to that atmosphere that I was referring, not the merits of "finding the industry".

Although I must say again - just because it's what you're doing doesn't mean it's the ONLY way to do things. I personally am staying out in New York for my college years and maybe a few after - then I might move to CA at some point in the future. I just don't know. I imagine I'll end up spending a significant portion of my life over there, and would rather experience something completely different for a while before I'm locked into anything in CA.

I would just say to stop trying to fool prospective film school students into thinking that moving out to California is the only way to do things - because it most certainly isn't for everyone (I'm a case-in-point here). Part of the atmosphere I didn't like was the "this is the only place in the world you can do this stuff and you won't go anywhere if you're as good as us" mentality about people there. At least what I experienced (although my view is somewhat re-enforced by your insisting that CA is THE place to be). I didn't want to spend 4 years around that type of attitude - so I chose NYU.

So basically - the lesson I learned was find where you'll fit in the best - I knew that I would NEVER fit in at a school out west after the general impressions of them that I got - and when I visited NYU I knew that I'd love it - and I do.

I'll stress it again - GO TO PLACES!!! Don't just read about them. People have applied to and gone to places that they hated because they never visited them. Don't let that happen to you! Sometimes the general feel and attitude of a place is more of a deal breaker than the programs and classes offered.
Posted: Thu, 30th Jul 2009, 12:23am

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Going to California (at some point, not necessarily for college) is the only way to work in the industry full time, because that's where the industry is.

I can work on films here in Texas, but they will always lead back to the producers in California. That being said, film school is NOT the 'film industry', nor should it be. It's a place to learn industry standards, learn history and theory, and cultivate your own craft - that's why it's called "school". Moving to California simply to work on industry sets is just called 'work' and does nothing towards a bachelor's degree, or any degree at all.

Again, however, Chapman is one of the most hands-on schools I've known. You don't just talk about making films, you do. You don't just watch industry feature sets in action, you're a part of them. At UT, we make our own shorts, but the top equipment is Super16 for most, and even then that's rare. Most of the time (as with many schools) it's VX2100's or PD150's - that's just what a lot of schools bought about 7 years ago, and they stick with them. There are HVX's and such, but at most places DIRECT, HANDS ON, IMPORTANT (key role, not 'grip') work on film features is not done on film, it's on video, usually lower-end (in terms of what a film school should facilitate).

The largest drawbacks to the two big NYU and USC is that they have a large following, meaning maybe you'll get to be the director or DP you want to be for a film project, maybe you'll just be a gopher for the DP's coffee. This is a HUGE generalization, I know, just saying that at the 'larger' film schools (my own included) it's not even close to guaranteed that YOU, YOURSELF will be producing/directing/key role in a film, even for thesis. Which is why I suggest North Carolina Arts or Chapman.

Again, however, I love big schools and the school spirit (I would say that Texas and USC probably have the most known athletics - out of any school in the United States, not film schools - which is huge for a college environment) and fraternity stuff and all that so it's the right thing for me. I don't get to do film stuff like I would want to, but it's all experience that I have to take with a grain of salt.

For a larger, more college-y school, I would recommend USC or UT. For a larger, 'art-y' school, obviously NYU. Then the other, smaller ones are as mentioned North Carolina Arts, SCAD, Columbia College (in Chicago) and Chapman. I really wouldn't think about going anywhere else for film school, because if it's not a large school or a known film program, then you might end up screwed. NYU and USC have obvious alumni. UT doesn't have as many, but Rodriguez, Wes Anderson, Richard Linklater, etc are still notable.

You just don't want to end up somewhere you don't like. So it's important you know what you're in for. I've been dissappointed by the film program here at UT in many aspects, but have had an absolute blast at the university that I probably wouldn't get if I went to NYU. Picture the most common 'college' you see in movies: art-deco, rustic buildings, sprawling lawns, a large study body, insane parties, a large Greek following, etc and you've pretty much got the University of Texas. Likewise, I'm sure Evman may not find the extra-amped-up 'CAMPUS!!!!' feel of UT to NYU's 'CITY!!!!' feel. biggrin

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I've visited couple on the eastcoast. I did not visit NYU because there is absolutly no way my family and I could afford it. I've looked into about 15 or so filmschools but I've only visited the University of North Carolina School of the Arts and Full Sail. I really just want to get into UNCSA now.

I'm going to be filming a movie soon for my portfolio using Super 8, my 35mm adapter, and obviously everything I've learned since I first wanted to be apart of the film industry. It' due by December and an interview will be set up in January.

At UNCSA in your 1st and 2nd year you use a DVX 100 but then in you 3rd and 4th you use 16mm and 35mm Arri cameras. I think thats a pretty good way to do it.
Posted: Thu, 30th Jul 2009, 4:31am

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I was just looking at the UNCSA website and it does sound like a cool place to go. Couldn't seem to find how much it is per year for the film program. Did you catch that. Probably won't end up going to it since it sounds like it's only good if you're a US citizen or a rich foreign student; I'm neither of these sad
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For college costs and such, check out this college search (Here's the one for North Carolina) UNCSA looks like my number one as well, so maybe I'll be seeing a few FXhomers over there. smile
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Are you not a naturalized citizen, Rody? And I wouldn't get terribly upset, although the FAFSA can't really help you if you're not a citizen, colleges all over the US absolutely love their foreign students- it helps diversify their campuses- and rich or otherwise there's money and spots in nearly every university for a good number of non-citizens.

Don't worry. If you figure out your finances and citizenship/lack-thereof, I'm sure you'll probably be fine.
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Heh, as if US citzen and being rich were synonymous. biggrin

Kidding, of course, but if school is too expensive for you then apply to scholarships as much as you can to the best of your ability. The possbility is there and if you don't get scholarships then move on to somewhere else, as even loans (FAFSA aid) may be impossible to get. I have a sibling going to college the same time as I am and two other siblings, so my tuition is mostly covered by loans and a state-sponsored grant along with mainly arts scholarships.

You do what you can, and don't sweat it if money doesn't work out. You may end up going to a state school, but they're really great. ;D

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