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Is smaller iPod compression possible? [ANSWER]

Posted: Fri, 7th Sep 2007, 7:20pm

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the Fiddler

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Just some things that might help with the development of VideoWrap:

I got an error the first time I tried to run the demo. Also, the choices for Apple encoding is somewhat confusing. Somebody with a regular iPod may think that's the option they want to select, but if they intend to play out to TV or anything where they would want more quality, they'll need to select iPod touch, this isn't clear unless you pay attention (I assume it will still synch to other iPod's, but didn't test it).

On top of this (though I could only do a 10 second clip) I was not impressed with the iPod compression. I'm not sure of its exact bitrate, but it was significantly higher than the comparison file I created with SUPER. Though SUPER's bitrate was lower, the quality was as good or better than VideoWrap. Also because of the higher bitrate, my 3:35 min file would have been around 65MB coming from VideoWrap, whereas SUPER's result was 35.3MB.

Don't get me wrong, I think it's a great looking program, and a great approach. The Flash compression looks amazing (I haven't done any tests with it yet)! I'm just trying to point out some areas for improvement. It looks like for the time being I'm not going to buy VideoWrap as a replacement for my combination of SUPER & On2 Flix Standard. But perhaps in the future when further tweaking & refinement has taken place.

Oh, and if my Flash tests are revealing, I'll post them too.
Posted: Fri, 7th Sep 2007, 9:16pm

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The same happened to me. I tried to convert some videos but it didn't work.
Posted: Fri, 7th Sep 2007, 10:14pm

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Thanks for the feedback, Fiddler. We'll certainly be looking to tweak VideoWrap to make it the best it can possibly be, so feedback like this is very useful.

Hobit wrote:

The same happened to me. I tried to convert some videos but it didn't work.
Eh? That doesn't seem to be what Fiddler was saying at all. Can you be more specific, or post in a separate topic with your issues?
Posted: Fri, 7th Sep 2007, 10:18pm

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Joshua Davies

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Thanks for the ideas the Fiddler, we welcome any ideas to improve the program.

the Fiddler wrote:

I got an error the first time I tried to run the demo.
We're still trying to work this out, we can't recreate it but several people have reported it. What a pain.

the Fiddler wrote:

Somebody with a regular iPod may think that's the option they want to select, but if they intend to play out to TV or anything where they would want more quality, they'll need to select iPod touch...
There should be a setting for "iPod to TV" in the iPod section which gives you the correct higher quality output for TV using iPods which support it. If its not there then please let us know! confused

Also, the spec of the files we create are to those set by Apple for the iPod unlike SUPER. We use the same backend software as SUPER but as far as I'm aware we currently give similar quality while fitting the specification closely (which is important to Apple).

We're all for improving the program and adding more profiles to make things quick and simple of all users. As Flash is moving to H.264 soon we should be able to get even better flv quality soon.

Hobit wrote:

The same happened to me. I tried to convert some videos but it didn't work.
What is the problem you are having? How did the program not work? As far as I can see the Fiddler did get the software working.
Posted: Sat, 8th Sep 2007, 9:08am

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Hobit

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Sorry!confused I think the problem was that it would only let me convert short videos (as i think the Fiddler said). Is this only in the case of the demo?
Posted: Sat, 8th Sep 2007, 10:54am

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Yes, the demo will only convert your video to 10 seconds.
Posted: Sat, 8th Sep 2007, 4:35pm

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the Fiddler

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Thanks shwar & Tarn for not taking that as an attack, it wasn't meant to be.

I should have pointed out that I don't use the default settings on SUPER though. The default for a 640x352 (which is what I tested) video, is only 816kbps. I almost always raise this to around 1000 or even as high as 1200 to get better quality. For my comparison mine was around 1200, but if I read it correctly VideoWrap's output was more like 2000 or above.

I'm personally a big fan of the higher-res iPod output (when compressed right) for several reasons. 1) its h.264 so the file is relatively small but with good quality, 2) it's completely watchable on a computer screen, & can even be full-screened on most monitors without looking too bad, 3) people can put it in iTunes &/or on their iPod: the most used mp3 player out there. This is what I use for posting video to the web, as well as to the FXhome cinema.

I guess what I'm saying is I personally think VideoWrap's options for iPod should be different. I'm not sure there's a need to show all the different models of iPod, as both the lower-res & higher-res settings should (correct me if I'm wrong) work on all the different iPods & (maybe) Apple TV (at least if they're created correctly). Seems like maybe just two Apple settings would do the job, and not make people feel like if they encoded for one iPod, it won't work on their friend's that's a different model. Plus if you can get it to encode at a little more efficient rate, anyone with a 60GB 80GB or iPod Classic shouldn't be too worried about the extra space for a little higher-res, and will be a lot happier when they show it to their friends on a TV or in iTunes on their Computer monitor.
Posted: Sun, 9th Sep 2007, 3:06am

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Sort of the same thing (not meaning to hi-jack your thread, The Fiddler) but why not have a preference of "Basic" with presets options and "Pro" with customisable options?

Just a thought.

Trying to convince my parents to let me buy VW! and hopefully they say yes............ but would it be better to wait for "the orange program"?
Posted: Sun, 9th Sep 2007, 8:50am

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Joshua Davies

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In beta testing we found that just showing the user the iPod they own was the most simple option. While people with more technical skills will understand there are only 2 iPod qualities, most people with iPods just want to click on the iPod they own and forget about the rest.

We would be happy to do some experimentation with you and Super to improve our settings if you are up for it?
Posted: Sun, 9th Sep 2007, 10:54am

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Thanks! biggrin
Posted: Sat, 15th Sep 2007, 7:43pm

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the Fiddler

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Yeah, I'm totally up for it schwar. Lemme know what you want me to do.