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3 years and wifi (two topics in one)

Posted: Tue, 18th Sep 2007, 11:18pm

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Ok, so I didn't want to make two different topics, so I combined them. First of all, today I have officially been a member of FXhome for 3 years. w00t! And secondly, I kinda made this as a Super Smash Bros. Brawl topic, with the big news to today and all. If you don't know the big news,

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It was announced today that the game will have wi-fi. Friend matches, matches against people all over the world. Yeah. Check out the site: http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/index.html

Yeah, so, discuss the game, I suppose.razz

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Posted: Tue, 18th Sep 2007, 11:46pm

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Looks really cool, I was looking foward to this game for a while, but I just sold my wii last week... cause I need money for a GL2.
Posted: Wed, 19th Sep 2007, 12:45am

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It's a big sigh of relief for me. BUT, you have to use friend codes and there's no way to really trash talk. I really find it pointless to play a worldwide match though because it's almost like playing against a smarter (or dumber) AI drone. I am grateful though that there is at least some form of online play.
Posted: Wed, 19th Sep 2007, 3:13am

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I pre-ordered this in August and the guy at Gamestop told me that there were already like 150 pre-orders for Brawl at that store alone... I'm so glad I pre-ordered, or I'd never get it.
Posted: Wed, 19th Sep 2007, 3:36am

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I'm so glad I don't have a liking for Nintendo and what to me seems like their constant reissuing of essentially the same thing over and over.
Posted: Wed, 19th Sep 2007, 3:43am

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*Cough*Halo*Cough*
*Cough*MGS*Cough*

I enjoy how Nintendo haters criticized the Wii/DS for being too untraditional and radical... Funny how SSBB will be neither and they still find reason to complain!

Just because Wii is outselling the PS3 (by a LOT), and the DS is absolutely OBLITERATING the PSP doesn't mean you should get all bitter Mr. Sony-fan Atom!
Posted: Wed, 19th Sep 2007, 3:51am

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Atom wrote:

I'm so glad I don't have a liking for Nintendo and what to me seems like their constant reissuing of essentially the same thing over and over.
I'm so glad I love Nintendo for their their truly spectacular games that come out every once in a while. Like Mario adventures/platformers, Zelda and Metroid. Atom, you are probably talking about the crap games like Mario Party. I do hate Nintendo's plans for online though.
Posted: Wed, 19th Sep 2007, 4:00am

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Heh, I find it funny that you guys make a big deal out of this... the Xbox had great online capabilities last gen, it's about time Nintendo started to sort of kinda want to begin online play for some specific games.

Nonetheless, I'm hoping this title will be bulging with originality and have great new fun features (other than new characters) that make me want to play it. Otherwise er... well, I don't see any more of a reason to buy it than to buy Halo 3.

Bigger news for me today is: TEAM FORTRESS 2 BETA YAY!
Posted: Wed, 19th Sep 2007, 5:21am

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Heh, I find it funny that you guys make a big deal out of this... the Xbox had great online capabilities last gen, it's about time Nintendo started to sort of kinda want to begin online play for some specific games
My point exactly. I don't play a lot of games, but yes I am partial to Sony. I also have a DS, though, and get sick of people going absolutely crazy over the latest, greatest minorly-updated reincarnation of Metroid, Mario, Yoshi, Donkey Kong, Zelda, etc. It's all tired stuff to me.

Try something new. Not radical, not redefining, just new. All FPS might be the same, but at least they don't all feature the exact same characters and plot that- to those who it doesn't appeal to- are left with no alternative in the Nintendo world.
Posted: Wed, 19th Sep 2007, 10:58am

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Atom wrote:

Pooky wrote:

Heh, I find it funny that you guys make a big deal out of this... the Xbox had great online capabilities last gen, it's about time Nintendo started to sort of kinda want to begin online play for some specific games
My point exactly. I don't play a lot of games, but yes I am partial to Sony. I also have a DS, though, and get sick of people going absolutely crazy over the latest, greatest minorly-updated reincarnation of Metroid, Mario, Yoshi, Donkey Kong, Zelda, etc. It's all tired stuff to me.

Try something new. Not radical, not redefining, just new. All FPS might be the same, but at least they don't all feature the exact same characters and plot that- to those who it doesn't appeal to- are left with no alternative in the Nintendo world.
Geez! you named all them games.. but you forgot about the greatest one of them all!!!! POKEMON!! gotta catch em all!!

haha razz
I thought Pokemon had to be the best nintendo game, then mario.
Posted: Wed, 19th Sep 2007, 6:58pm

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It was the first one to come to mind, but it's not as much of an ongoing series that is so overlyhyped as the others are.
Posted: Wed, 19th Sep 2007, 7:01pm

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Personally i'm not a fan of nintendo's online system, like mario strikers on wii is 2 player, region locked gameplay. Yet EA using EA Nation servers can get 32 players for Medal of honor heroes 2 on the wii.
Posted: Wed, 19th Sep 2007, 7:19pm

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Atom wrote:



Try something new. Not radical, not redefining, just new. All FPS might be the same, but at least they don't all feature the exact same characters and plot that- to those who it doesn't appeal to- are left with no alternative in the Nintendo world.
Have you even investigated either Zelda: Twilight Princess for the Wii of Zelda: Phantom Hourglass for the DS? Both are exactly as you described - new, not radical, not redefining... just new.

As for recurring characters/similar plots, I believe that that is the definition of a sequel.

Metroid Prime 3 advanced the story of the first 2, just as the third movie in a trilogy advances the plot of the other 2, as well as improving/expanding the controls and graphics. I really don't see what the problem is at all.

Each game with Mario/Link/Samus, etc isn't an exact cop out of a previous game (you wanna see cop-outs, play any sports game that is released annually), rather it's a continuation of the theme and characters that people all over the world have fallen in love with.

Everyone knows who Mario is. Everyone. I doubt EVERYONE knows who Master Chief is, or who Snake is.

It's a variation of the same style, but it's always (especially with the Wii and DS) different.

At least for Nintendo's so called "Cop outs", you only have to pay $50 or $35 for them, not $50-60-70.


That being said, I must agree that Nintendo's online play is ridiculously bad. But for me, I've never really engaged in any online modes, so it's no real loss for me... Besides, beating someone who's thousands of miles away is not as fun as beating their ass face to face! biggrin
Posted: Wed, 19th Sep 2007, 7:42pm

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Atom wrote:

Pooky wrote:

Heh, I find it funny that you guys make a big deal out of this... the Xbox had great online capabilities last gen, it's about time Nintendo started to sort of kinda want to begin online play for some specific games
My point exactly. I don't play a lot of games, but yes I am partial to Sony. I also have a DS, though, and get sick of people going absolutely crazy over the latest, greatest minorly-updated reincarnation of Metroid, Mario, Yoshi, Donkey Kong, Zelda, etc. It's all tired stuff to me.

Try something new. Not radical, not redefining, just new. All FPS might be the same, but at least they don't all feature the exact same characters and plot that- to those who it doesn't appeal to- are left with no alternative in the Nintendo world.
Abso-bloody-exactly! I'm with you all the way on this one. Nintendo do seem to be trying the whole "cutting edge" thing but they're still peddling the same old characters and franchises when they could be expanding into other bigger and better things. I didn't have any interest in controlling Donkey Kong, Yoshi or Mario with a standard controller and just because I can now wave the controller around my head or poke at things on the screen it doesn't mean that I have any interest in controlling them now either.
Posted: Wed, 19th Sep 2007, 8:11pm

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Evman wrote:

...Zelda: Phantom Hourglass for the DS?
OH MY GOD. I just saw this on IGN. It's like Windwaker only on the DS! Jesus Christ, I am freaking psyched for this. Windwaker is by far my favorite Zelda game. The music to that game was fantastic.
Posted: Wed, 19th Sep 2007, 9:09pm

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I'm a nintendo fan, but i must agree, they have to start making new games.
Some of them are getting a bit boring, i want something new....
Posted: Wed, 19th Sep 2007, 10:18pm

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A game having online capabilities is not a spoiler.
Posted: Wed, 19th Sep 2007, 10:19pm

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What people seem to forget is that this is Super Smash Bros Online!
As said before, there is no other game in the world I've played as much as I've played Super Smash Bros. Melee, but it's not that fun when you are alone. It will be awesome to play against real people online, no matter how old online gaming is.

It's SMASH FFS! =D
Posted: Wed, 19th Sep 2007, 11:05pm

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Rawree wrote:

Atom wrote:

Pooky wrote:

Heh, I find it funny that you guys make a big deal out of this... the Xbox had great online capabilities last gen, it's about time Nintendo started to sort of kinda want to begin online play for some specific games
My point exactly. I don't play a lot of games, but yes I am partial to Sony. I also have a DS, though, and get sick of people going absolutely crazy over the latest, greatest minorly-updated reincarnation of Metroid, Mario, Yoshi, Donkey Kong, Zelda, etc. It's all tired stuff to me.

Try something new. Not radical, not redefining, just new. All FPS might be the same, but at least they don't all feature the exact same characters and plot that- to those who it doesn't appeal to- are left with no alternative in the Nintendo world.
Thank god I'm not taking crazy pills. It's funny that out of all things we disagree on completely, we agree on this completely.

Abso-bloody-exactly! I'm with you all the way on this one. Nintendo do seem to be trying the whole "cutting edge" thing but they're still peddling the same old characters and franchises when they could be expanding into other bigger and better things. I didn't have any interest in controlling Donkey Kong, Yoshi or Mario with a standard controller and just because I can now wave the controller around my head or poke at things on the screen it doesn't mean that I have any interest in controlling them now either.
Posted: Wed, 19th Sep 2007, 11:33pm

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Rawree wrote:

Abso-bloody-exactly!
Absoexactly?

Now here's what we have to remember though, guys: the same thing happens for some non-Nintendo titles (Halo is a perfect example, the game hasn't changed since Halo 1). The reason people are saying that Nintendo needs to change is that we WANT Nintendo to make different games because of the potential involved. A properly made non-childish Wii game could theoretically be great, it's just a shame none has been made yet so I can play it.

By the way, I don't see how a person controlling the backflipping Pikachu makes it any different from a computer controlling it (other than you getting your ass handed to you most of the time). The Wii doesn't have a microphone, or online stats, or achievements of any sort.
Posted: Thu, 20th Sep 2007, 12:11am

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This is much better than I expected, honestly. I already know Nintendo's online typically is sub-par, but I didn't expect a game like Smash to even have online because Smash is such a precise game that lag would mess it up. I thought they'd just scrap the online. Now I can setup a game and play friends online (who have hard wired their Wii to the internet).

Also, I hate how every Nintendo topic on this site ends up with everyone just bashing it. It pisses me off that topics about something that members enjoy and like to discuss is raided by people who say the same thing every time. It is true in Mac topics, PC topics, Nintendo topics, Halo topics, etc. etc. etc. I am just sick of it. Some people are ruining almost every topic on this site. I can hardly enjoy some topics on here because of this.

So far the Wii has been a tad disappointing. Metroid Prime 3, Mario Galaxy, Smash Bros. Brawl, Twilight Princess, the Opera browser, and some others have made it worth my money though. Melee was more than a game to me. To me it was really a hobby. I am pumped for Brawl.

@Pooky: You clearly haven't been following http://smashbros.com and I'm not saying that you should, but this game is much more than just Melee with new features. Single player stuff is completely revamped and there are tons of new improvements and features (I can't go over all of them here.) I'm mainly looking forward to the multiplayer with new characters, stages, modes, etc. with online capabilities. They aren't going to completely change the gameplay of multiplayer, so what else can they really do to multiplayer besides tweak it and make more/more different characters and a lot of new stages and some fun additional modes and customizability? Since you aren't and avid Melee player, you probably won't appreciate the game as much if at all, but you can't argue that it hasn't changed.

On Nintendo needing to be more innovative and fun: I agree, to a point. From a business standpoint, they aren't going to just scratch all their hit, well-selling franchises. But revolutionary gameplay changes, like Mario Galaxy for example, are being done to these franchises. People seem to a expect a hell of a lot from just one developer. When they try something new like Pikmin (which is generally accepted as a fantastically fun game), it typically flops, or isn't as successful as their franchise games. Though they are spitting out less and less new stuff, but their traditional stuff is still fantastic.

Honestly though, Nintendo seems to be getting less good 3rd and 2nd party support for their consoles. When people look at the Wii the immediately think of all the Nintendo games. When you think back to the Nintendo 64, my mind jumps to Banjo games, Rogue Squadron, Goldeneye, Jet Force Gemini, etc. There aren't too many games (so far) on the Wii that will go down as classics that are 2nd/3rd party titles. But either give Nintendo a break or don't jump on every topic, especially one as specific as a Smash Bros. topic. I could find 5 topics where Atom, for example, posted his same complaints in a Nintendo topic that wasn't initially posted as a debate topic.

Also, cousin, congrats on 3 years here. smile
Posted: Thu, 20th Sep 2007, 12:18am

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Perhaps there should be a poll on here, seeing how many people have played SSB Melee for more than 2 minutes... Then we can delete any posts of anyone who's posted in this thread that hasn't. Melee is perhaps the most fun game... ever... period. Anyone can play it, but at the same time, if you get really good, it's even more fun. There's no story or plot, it's just unbelievably fun.

Of all the people I know who have a Wii, 95% of them got it for Brawl, hands down. EVERYONE who owns a Wii will get this game (just like anyone who had a gamecube had Melee), and countless more will get a Wii this Christmas just to play it.
Posted: Thu, 20th Sep 2007, 3:16am

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So you're saying only fans of Nintendo should post in the thread, then? I've played Smash Bros. for an hour or two- but that's besides the point. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.
Posted: Thu, 20th Sep 2007, 3:28am

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Crap, I forgot the smilie, you didn't know that what I said was a joke.

But seriously, it's a shame to see this thread get shot down so readily. I was looking forward to some SSBB loving, but now I have to waste my time writing posts like this... wink
Posted: Thu, 20th Sep 2007, 3:29am

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Debating opinions is fun, though. Unless of course you prefer this:


WOOO! SMASH BROS ONLINE BABY! CAN'T WAIT!
Posted: Thu, 20th Sep 2007, 3:34am

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Pooky wrote:

Debating opinions is fun, though. Unless of course you prefer this:


WOOO! SMASH BROS ONLINE BABY! CAN'T WAIT!
After debating and over-analyzing things all day in school (and oftentimes in these forums), sometimes it's fun just to say stuff like that, yes.

Especially when this "debate" has been beaten to death 500 times before, with no conclusion, and with lines clearly drawn between members.

Just not fun any more... even though now I can say that the Wii and DS are outselling all competitors in their respective markets! razz
Posted: Thu, 20th Sep 2007, 4:23am

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And FOX News is the most watched news network wink
Posted: Thu, 20th Sep 2007, 11:17am

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What you seem to forget is that you aren't really discussing Smash at all. You are just whining about Nintendo not doing anything new...
Posted: Thu, 20th Sep 2007, 3:13pm

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@Atom, we had to agree on something sooner or later; law of averages and all that.
@Pooky, Phrases like "abso-bloody-exactly is the curse of watching Alan Partridge late at night!

If someone else comes up with a conflicting opinion to your own it doesn't mean that the point has to be debated and carefully scrutinized, sometimes it's ok just to accept that people disagree and there's no need to start a counter argument to try and change their mind. Truth is that Nintendo seem to cling hard to a handful of franchises and, as I said earlier, the method of control is not going to make many people who had no interest in those characters and games (or those who are just bored of them) any more interested. A lot of people, myself included, just see the kind of thing on offer from Nintendo as gimicky and (largely due to the aforementioned franchises) a bit childish. Don't get me wrong, it's great at a party when you've had a few drinks with some mates to have a bash on the Wii but the thing is that you could get the same kind of entertainment from Guitar Hero or something on the PS2 - the difference was that there were all sorts of other normal games as well.

For the record I find Halo 2 pretty dull as well but that's possibly because I never saw the appeal of the first one either.
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I think the wii is gonna get quite a few more new games, since there seems to be quite a few new ones announced at e3 ( by new i mean NOT mario, zelda , donkey kong , etc )
Posted: Fri, 21st Sep 2007, 12:20pm

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Atom wrote:

I'm so glad I don't have a liking for Nintendo and what to me seems like their constant reissuing of essentially the same thing over and over.
I've come a bit late to this debate but join it as a PS2 owner with a Nintendo fanatic son.

We were in Game (UK computer game reatiler chain) last week and I picked up the latest new releases catalogue. The Wii games used some of the familiar characters but had reworked the concepts for the Wii's unique controls and also had some brand new and innovative games. The PS3 games were FIFA 2008, Tiger Woods 2008, a couple of driving games in their annual rerelease form etc.

It seems like with PS3 Sony have said "let's make it look great and sound great" (and on an HD tv the PS3 output is stunning) but haven't put any effort into developing some new game play ideas. There was nothing to tempt me to get a PS3 - I haven't got a HD tv yet and the games seem to just be better graphics version of all the stuff I already have.

I feel like Sony have really missed an opportunity here whereas Nintendo have realised that playing games and having fun is more important than pixel count. The Wii's control methods are much more inclusive (my dad's in his 70s and took to the Wii like a natural) and I think that is one of the main reasons for the Wii outselling the PS3.
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I love super smash brothers for 64..still play EVERYDAY, however I hate Melee, and I hate the wii. So i'm assuming I'll hate brawl.
Posted: Fri, 21st Sep 2007, 7:45pm

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hatsoff2halford wrote:

I love super smash brothers for 64..still play EVERYDAY, however I hate Melee, and I hate the wii. So i'm assuming I'll hate brawl.
Really? Melee is one of those games that I have an extremely hard time understanding why anyone would like its predecessor more. crazy
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Basically people are entitled to their own opinons and genres. If someone say's they don't like something then they don't nothing to get in a panic about smile.

As for me I have a Wii and as much as it is fun the games seem to become boring after a while. But I'm sure I'll enjoy this mario game smile.

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FreshMentos wrote:

hatsoff2halford wrote:

I love super smash brothers for 64..still play EVERYDAY, however I hate Melee, and I hate the wii. So i'm assuming I'll hate brawl.
Really? Melee is one of those games that I have an extremely hard time understanding why anyone would like its predecessor more. crazy
People who were Smash 64 fans and don't like Melee usually prefer it for the following reasons:

-Nostalgia

-Who they played it with (this ties in with nostalgia)

-How they played it (also nostalgia, but if you never play Melee in a party situation, maybe you won't like it if you aren't competitive)

-Simplicity: Melee is much more complex when 64 was more of an "arcady" game.

-They aren't good at Melee. Some people just can't pick it up and thus can't compete well. The step from "n00b" to "pro" in Melee is MUCH steeper than 64's. In 64 the most complex thing you could do was SHFFL and string combos together.

None of these are bad things, they are just typical reasons. The game play was a bit different and some people prefer the simpler gameplay. Smash 64 was never intended to actually be released in its initial development. It just didn't last for me but sometimes I pick it up for the first 3 reasons I listed. I still prefer Melee though, even in a party situation.

(See Pooky? Conversation that isn't debate, zomgwtfbbq.)
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Heh, you know I was just kidding.

Besides I'm far too busy with the Team Fortress 2 Beta to bother about Super Smash Brothers.
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spoiler heh.

I could have confirmed the all over the world match/co-op/against thing about 3 years ago.

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