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Prop Swords?

Posted: Wed, 19th Jun 2002, 3:14pm

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Greyo

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Can anyone tell me where i can get prop swords i can used to fight with or if its easy how to create your own swords that'll stand up to punishment.

The kind of swords i mean are the ones from such films as Braveheart or scorpion king that i wnat to use in my next film i'm planning.

can anyone help me with this?

Thanks
Posted: Wed, 19th Jun 2002, 3:16pm

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hmm. I would say goto a toy store of some sort and buy the most realistic kind you can, and later, add in the sound effects...It's hard to get a true to life prop sword (without hurting someone.) Good luck, and make sure no one gets their "lightsaber" chopped off in the process.
Posted: Wed, 19th Jun 2002, 3:17pm

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i think making your own would be best, using wood, paint etc.

unless you buy one.

Sorry this propbably isn't that much help -but....
Posted: Wed, 19th Jun 2002, 3:17pm

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ummmm, how abut a locl renesance fest. or check the web, you can buy anything on the web
Posted: Wed, 19th Jun 2002, 5:47pm

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I wouldn't necessarily use wooden swords for all the props - they take a looong time to create and if you break it, you're sunk. If you've got the resources/money, the quickest way to make swords is create one from wood and then do resin-casts of it. You can pump out quite a few this way, it's easier to fix broken resin-castings than broken wood, and it's really not that difficult to do.


Just watch the fumes. tard

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Posted: Thu, 20th Jun 2002, 10:19am

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Thanks for the replies but i think i'm going to go look for a toy sword and falling that my brothers a carpenter so i might ask him to build some in his spare time.

Out of curiosity how much would resin-casts cost me?
Posted: Thu, 20th Jun 2002, 11:24am

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I'm not sure... the brother of a friend of mine works a lot with fibreglass and resin casting, so I'll try to get the information and pass it along...

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Posted: Thu, 20th Jun 2002, 7:37pm

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thanks
Posted: Sun, 23rd Jun 2002, 7:46pm

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If you have the cash.... www.armourclass.co.uk or www.battleorders.co.uk
Posted: Sun, 23rd Jun 2002, 11:30pm

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how i'd love to have the sort of cash to buy those beautiful swords of these sites but alas my pockets are empty.

oh well i'll just need to get a another job this summer
Posted: Sun, 28th Jul 2002, 7:53pm

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if i bought swords from somewhere like www.battleorders.com does any one know how sharp they will be and would it be dangerous to use in a fight scene
Posted: Sun, 28th Jul 2002, 7:58pm

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the BEST site EVER for prop and non-prob swords is swords-online.com
Posted: Sun, 28th Jul 2002, 8:03pm

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hey everyone's wrong and i'm right again! razz (sorta!) razz

when it comes to sword props, anyways.

Get swords off of eBay. Why? Because there, a good, well-made sword can be bought at anywhere from $5 to $30 (USD). And they're REAL! Sidewinder and I both bought REAL LIFE Katanas THAT CAN CHOP THINGS UP off of eBay - mine $25, his was $20. We're not even 18! When we we're searching, we saw TONS of huge medievil swords there! Even LOTR swords!

If you CANNOT have them sharp, because actors will REALLY be fighting with them, just dull the blade! How? Got to your nearest rock and rub the sharp part against it until it can't cut butter. If that's too primitive, you can find someone who knows something about blades, and get them to do it for you!

The Katanas we bought can be seen in 'Shogun Showdown' which is currently in the scopefest copmetition - and will be on the alam site real soon.
Posted: Sun, 28th Jul 2002, 8:21pm

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hey xfurball that's an awesome website and the prices aren't that bad either, good work.

hey mechaforce i've seen your film and those katanna's looked amazing and the prices u paid you pratically stole them., i think i'll go and have a look on e-bay now, cheers.
Posted: Sun, 28th Jul 2002, 8:28pm

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Never EVER use real or realistic swords for movie stuff.

Swords 101
There are three types of sword:
Stabbing (S European)
Slashing (Eastern)
Smashing (British and N European)

All your Braveheart, etc big swords are smashing ones. They do not
have to be sharp, because they are heavy. They are designed to smash
the underlying bone structure. Most of the swords you see in films are
like these.

If you buy swords from Battle Orders (really a subsidiary of Webley
and Scott the arms manufacturer), then you will be buying a replica
sword. These are not properly made swords, they are ornaments.
You shouldn't try to sharpen them, because they're made of the wrong
type of metal. They will still smash your bones quite easily. They are
quite heavy.

Oriental blades are generally made for slashing, cutting attacks. In
most of the oriental weaponed arts you find that half the moves are
actually performed starting with your sword sheated. They are much
lighter and move very quickly through the air. These are very hard to
use unless you are expert.

Stabbing swords are impractical too. You can stab someone to death
with a pencil pretty easily. Even a faked stabbing sword (like a foil or
an epee) is much more slender than a pencil. The wrong move at the
wrong time will leave your opponent very dead. For real.

I fenced foil and sabre for many years and have seen some terrible
accidents. My fencing instructor back in Dundee was fighting foil
with a chap and the safety end was knocked off the guy's sword. He
was performing a lunge at the time and the end of the sword went
straight through the instructor's mask, through his eyeball and into
his brain killing him instantly. His opponent stood there with a dead
man on the end of his sword. This freaked him out considerably.

The point of that story is that both of those fencers were wearing full
protective clothing, both very champions of the sport with many years
experience and both were using sports blades (designed not to take
an edge or a point very well). And despite all this someone ended up
dead. You and your mates won't be able to resist mucking around with
swords and yet you don't really understand the first thing about them.

But I'm not a total doom and gloom merchant. I would suggest that the
best thing you can use for film swords is live role playing replicas. These
are made with a carbon fibre rod as their core, fleshed out with latex
and painted up to resemble metal. They're very good, quite cheap and
you can probably borrow them for free. And you won't get hurt. And you
can muck about, jumping off roofs, etc.

Here's how to make your own:
http://www.melgir.demon.co.uk/lrp/make/weapon.html

And here's a couple of Live Role Playing groups:
http://www.heroquest.org/
http://www.dusa.dundee.ac.uk/durps/Heros_Blood/hb_text.html

Careful now kids, you don't often get hurt with swords, you get VERY
hurt or VERY dead.
Posted: Sun, 28th Jul 2002, 9:08pm

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Jeez! This is the first time I've ever learned anything about REAL LIFE stuff on this site! Amazing! +1 for you! (informative!(duh))
Posted: Sun, 28th Jul 2002, 10:43pm

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wow codabar that post answers all the questions i had on swords, like i said before wow. If i had rating tokens i'd definetely give u one.

i definetely won't buy one a sword from battleorders now, thanks for teh informative post
Posted: Sun, 28th Jul 2002, 11:02pm

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Yes eBays always a good source but if you live in Paris the is a shop over looking garde l'ouest (west gate trainstaion) that sells EVERTHING. they even have special ops suits swords and as codabar said the you will most likely injure each other. Swords that you bring into north american are ground down so they have no pointy bit (unless you smuggle then in ) but they still look very reall despite it and how most martial arts senes are done is v e r y s l o w l y however this annont be done with other people as it is hard to syncronize your speed with theirs so it is only good for 1 on 1 duels, and then you speed them up is editing to avoid injuring each other, you can use that method or you can go with codabars expensive carbon fibre swords to go fast in crowds.
Posted: Sun, 28th Jul 2002, 11:03pm

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Yes eBays always a good source but if you live in Paris the is a shop over looking garde l'ouest (west gate trainstaion) that sells EVERTHING. they even have special ops suits swords and as codabar said the you will most likely injure each other. Swords that you bring into north american are ground down so they have no pointy bit (unless you smuggle then in ) but they still look very reall despite it and how most martial arts senes are done is v e r y s l o w l y however this annont be done with other people as it is hard to syncronize your speed with theirs so it is only good for 1 on 1 duels, and then you speed them up is editing to avoid injuring each other, you can use that method or you can go with codabars expensive carbon fibre swords to go fast in crowds.
Posted: Sun, 28th Jul 2002, 11:29pm

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I wish I could tell you more about swords, but I'd have to
write a couple of hundred pages. And this isn't a sword
site, I suppose.

As for ratings, don't worry about it.
You can see the pasting I got for suggesting that ratings
were for idiots in the "Force bars are for morons" thread.
Ah well.

If you do go down the carbon-fibre and latex route, then
try to borrow them. Buying them is quite expensive. You
can make them quite cheaply, but it takes a while.

I'm not saying to not buy from Battle Orders, but they
are just ornaments. Buy one for the living room. Then
when your mates come round pissed, they can really
cause some damage. Hmmm...
Posted: Sun, 28th Jul 2002, 11:33pm

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What about buying a plastic sword at your local toy store? Many look fairly real, and unless your getting close detail to the sword, you wouldn't know. Also, buy an 'ornamental' sword for the scenes where you DO need to show a more detailed view of the sword. Pretty safe and simple.
Posted: Sun, 28th Jul 2002, 11:37pm

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Toy swords don't work very well, because you can't bash
them off each other with them bending and stuff. And then
tend to be made "kid-sized" so they're all too small.

Apart from that...
Posted: Tue, 30th Jul 2002, 9:56am

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There's a store in my country called Medieval Lions where they sell absolutely beautiful swords. They look and handle exactly like the real deal, but have blunt edges that'll cause bruises instead of disembowellments and decapitations smile

They have historically accurate swords as well as fantasy swords, which will look mighty fine in any fantasy flick... hmm, perhaps I should save up to get one! biggrin

I just found the website: http://www.medieval-lions.com/
Posted: Thu, 1st Aug 2002, 3:23pm

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A company called Stage Steel makes swords that are "battle-ready," but with a dull edge. I bought 2 of them for a Highlander-style film I'm just finishing and they worked great. Only drawback is the price - $100 (US) for the katana. unsure
Posted: Thu, 1st Aug 2002, 3:38pm

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hey thanks yojimbo, i take it u had no injuries or anything using these swords. What kind of pace were u fighting with them.

How long till ur film is finished, i love highlander and would love to see ur film
Posted: Thu, 1st Aug 2002, 4:11pm

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I just read codabar's posts and I really have to agree with using non-steel replicas. Had I known about them I would have gone that route.

Even though the Stage Steel swords are dull, they still need to be used with great caution. When you are swinging 5 pounds of steel around, even a dull edge can cut to some degree, and broken bones are a very real possibility. Ultimately, I think it would make for a better film if your actors can "fight" without worrying that they might get hurt. In the film I just finished, we didn't do a lot of things we had planned in the script because we thought they would be too dangerous - even with dull swords.

Greyo, in answer to your question, we did have one small injury (a skinned knuckle), but it could have easily been worse. As for the film, I'll post it in the next day or so. I need to make sure everybody is happy with the final cut. biggrin
Posted: Sat, 3rd Aug 2002, 4:55pm

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Happy happy joy joy, I just bought a sword today. Although I went to the shop hoping to get the ultra-cool Apocalypse sword (the foregrounded sword in http://www.by-the-sword.com/page10b.jpg ), I ended up with the Templars Bronze Sword (584.2 in http://www.by-the-sword.com/m586-3.JPG ) because the Apocalypse sword was sold out.

I'm still delirious with delight though. The first thing that strikes me is that the sword isn't ideal for using in films - it's so darn heavy (I'm guessing about 5-7kg), a careless swing could cause some major damage! Also, I don't think I'd want to risk tarnishing the beautiful blade, esp. since it cost me a whopping 200 dollars! biggrin
Posted: Sat, 3rd Aug 2002, 5:02pm

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mine's cooler! biggrin



the exact one i got!
Posted: Sat, 3rd Aug 2002, 5:49pm

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Woah, really love the faux-ivory hilt! Is that the Highlander model?