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Allmost finished with my green room

Posted: Tue, 9th Oct 2007, 2:32am

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Well I spent the evening painting and I have the floor primed for some green paint tommorow..

What does everyone thing so far...
Posted: Tue, 9th Oct 2007, 3:45am

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That's looking really nice! Good work on that, I'm a bit jealous! twisted
Posted: Tue, 9th Oct 2007, 4:14am

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Whoa that's marvelous!
Although it does seem that you have to much time and ahh space? razz
I like it though
Posted: Tue, 9th Oct 2007, 1:08pm

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The 90-degree corner and floor/wall junctions will likely cause you keying problems - pay a lot of attention to the lighting to minimise this, or make them smooth curves just to help with the deepest darkest corners!
Posted: Tue, 9th Oct 2007, 1:39pm

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It also looked like you have skirting on your wall. That may cause some issues too smile
Posted: Tue, 9th Oct 2007, 2:00pm

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Wow I am jealous. That looks good I wish I had the space and or the Time to make something like that. Nice Work!
Posted: Tue, 9th Oct 2007, 3:15pm

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where in the hell is that, that's a huge space, please don't tell me that's in your bedroom.

Looks good, well done
Posted: Tue, 9th Oct 2007, 3:15pm

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pdrg wrote:

The 90-degree corner and floor/wall junctions will likely cause you keying problems - pay a lot of attention to the lighting to minimise this, or make them smooth curves just to help with the deepest darkest corners!
The floor skirting is being painted now.. I had to primer it so that the green would take better.

The corners will more than likely be curved using blueblock foam wraped in a greenscreen mate. Just havent got that far yet...

Doug
Posted: Tue, 9th Oct 2007, 3:37pm

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b4uask30male wrote:

where in the hell is that, that's a huge space, please don't tell me that's in your bedroom.

Looks good, well done
Not the bedroom..

I got premission from my boss to make a greenscreen room...

Doug
Posted: Tue, 9th Oct 2007, 3:56pm

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DaFlea wrote:



The corners will more than likely be curved using blueblock foam wraped in a greenscreen mate. Just havent got that far yet...

Doug
Cool as... wink
Posted: Tue, 9th Oct 2007, 8:54pm

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thats sweet green screening will be really easy now! wink
Posted: Tue, 9th Oct 2007, 10:55pm

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Hrm. I would have just taken one wall and floor, as opposed to a corner.
Posted: Wed, 10th Oct 2007, 12:28am

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Ok here is the updated picture..



Total cost so far $53.00

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Hrm. I would have just taken one wall and floor, as opposed to a corner.
The project is not done yet There will be another wall or in this case a screen on the left side that will stick out about 5' to match the right side...
Posted: Wed, 10th Oct 2007, 2:08am

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Oh SNAP. Nice setup. If you smooth out all the corners and add a 3rd wall, this will be perfect (with the right lighting). You got a nice green and a great room.

I just recently learned that my dad's company has a professional greenscreen studio for shooting quick product demos. I'm hoping to test that out.
Posted: Wed, 10th Oct 2007, 9:27am

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Wow, that is really quite something! First off, congratulations on getting the space (and it being a permanent one too) and secondly, congratulations again on the cost of it as that seem's very cheap for me.

Sorry if this has been covered before, i didn't skim read and just went to post >_< But what are those black segments in the wall? Are they sockets of some kind?
Posted: Wed, 10th Oct 2007, 12:22pm

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Demonicy wrote:

Wow, that is really quite something! First off, congratulations on getting the space (and it being a permanent one too) and secondly, congratulations again on the cost of it as that seem's very cheap for me.

Sorry if this has been covered before, i didn't skim read and just went to post >_< But what are those black segments in the wall? Are they sockets of some kind?
Yep there wall outlets... I have them covered now so it blends in with the wall better..

The cost was so cheep because belive it or not walmart has the allmost perfect match for Chroma-Key green.
Posted: Wed, 10th Oct 2007, 12:48pm

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Heh, nice find then!

I would love to have a space like that, i really am quite envious! The best i can do is have a green screen made up infront of the living room large french windows that i can take down and put up again as needs be.
Posted: Wed, 10th Oct 2007, 1:50pm

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Congratulations, you have succeeded in making nearly everyone here jealous.
Posted: Wed, 10th Oct 2007, 11:42pm

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Congratulations, you have succeeded in making nearly everyone here jealous.
Well didn't want to invoke jealousy but I'm glad everyone likes it...

I was clearing out the area where the camera will be today.. Still some big items to get out of the way but I need the forklift.
Posted: Thu, 11th Oct 2007, 2:34am

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Heh. Why not just do it the easier and cheaper way? grab a few mates and lift them yourselves smile
Posted: Thu, 11th Oct 2007, 3:37am

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Heh. Why not just do it the easier and cheaper way? grab a few mates and lift them yourselves smile
Becasue that takes the fun out of the project... lol
Posted: Thu, 11th Oct 2007, 1:00pm

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Looks really nice...simlar to our greenbox at my filmschool biggrin

i also have to build a WHITE room, for my next project => musicvideo

have fun in the box...hope to see some great greenscreen footage from you
DaFlea-san


cheers,
d.
Posted: Fri, 12th Oct 2007, 3:23pm

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Wow, thats is totally awesome! I too am jealous. I have a blue room, only problem is that the room is carpet and the ceilings are white so I wouldn't be able to use the whole body. razz
Posted: Fri, 12th Oct 2007, 3:42pm

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That's coming along nicely - and as you've saved so much cash, look hard at the lighting to get it even - perhaps use the zebras on your camera if it has any, the human eye is very tolerent of uneven lighting, but if you look at your second picture (and squinting helps) you'll see there's currently quite a lot of different shades in there, which you'd be best to even out.
Posted: Fri, 12th Oct 2007, 4:39pm

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pdrg wrote:

That's coming along nicely - and as you've saved so much cash, look hard at the lighting to get it even - perhaps use the zebras on your camera if it has any, the human eye is very tolerent of uneven lighting, but if you look at your second picture (and squinting helps) you'll see there's currently quite a lot of different shades in there, which you'd be best to even out.
Yea the lighting is way off, I am looking into gettnig a lighting kit for that area I have another topic posted on the site about a kit and was waiting to see what kind of responses I recive.
Posted: Fri, 12th Oct 2007, 5:23pm

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Can you get something like this http://www.profilmgear.com/Items/13398 and/or http://www.profilmgear.com/Items/13397 - nice diffuse even lights - you'll be best off with a few heads to allow you to fine-tune. These are cheap for what they are, but whatever you go with, diffusion is the key to soft even lighting
Posted: Thu, 8th Nov 2007, 7:54pm

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OK,

I have been given the OK to spend some serious money on our little studio at work. Here is what is on my wish list so far.

BeachTek DXA-6vuDual Phantom XLR Adapter $359.95 Link
Sennheiser Evolution ENG G2 100 SeriesWireless Lavalier System $1,249.95 Link
Sennheiser ME66/K6 Shotgun Mic Kit $499.95 Link
K-Tek KE89CC Aluminum Boompole $179.95 Link
Lowel Kit 55 Dvcreator Light Kit $1,368.95Link
Focus FS-4 ProHD100GB 100 GB Portable DTE Recorder $1,795.00 Link
Bogen 503HDV Tripod kit $636.95 Link
Indie-Dolly INDCTD Filming Dolly $1,094.95 Link
Indie-Dolly INDCKIT Curved Track Kit $594.95 Link
Indie-Dolly INDSTKIT Stright Track Kit $494.95 Link
Steadicam MERLIN $799.95 Link
Canon XH-A1 Canon XH-A1 Camcorder Kit $3,999.95 Link
Jony JONYJIB15NJony 15' Jib Crane $2,089.95 Link
Bogen 3198 Bogan/manfrotto Tripod Dolly $264.95 Link
Bogen 3186 Bogan/manfrotto 1 Stage Tripod $382.95 Link

I am trying to make sure I'm not missing anything that would be handy to have or if I need to change anything I have all ready spec out.

Currently we have a Canon HV20 with all the editing software so thats covered. its all of the other bells and whistles we need to start up.

The main reason for all the equipment is for training videos to add to our classes we teach, of course i want to have good enough equipment for any movie project I start so it needs it to be somewhat dual purpose.

Also the camera kit comes with a wide angle lens but it would be nice to have different types of lens to go with it like a Teleconverter one. However going through all of the different styles and mfg what would be the ones to get.

So if anyone could provide some good feedback and recommendations that would be great..

Thanks,

Doug
Posted: Thu, 8th Nov 2007, 8:14pm

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i want to buy a canon hv20 can you give me any advice with it?
Posted: Thu, 8th Nov 2007, 8:14pm

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Ever tried keying HDV footage? It's a major pain in the ass.


I'd suggest going with an HVX200 without question. It would almost defeat the purpose of having such a nice greenroom when you're using an XH-A1 that uses 4:2:0 colorspace...
Posted: Thu, 8th Nov 2007, 8:19pm

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fxmaniac wrote:

i want to buy a canon hv20 can you give me any advice with it?
Great little camera, well worth the investment.
Posted: Thu, 8th Nov 2007, 9:28pm

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Bryce007 wrote:

Ever tried keying HDV footage? It's a major pain in the ass.


I'd suggest going with an HVX200 without question. It would almost defeat the purpose of having such a nice greenroom when you're using an XH-A1 that uses 4:2:0 colorspace...
Looking at Canon's website it states that the XH-A1 supports HD signal at 1440 x 1080 with 4:2:2 color sampling. Everything I have read concerning Green screen Keying states you want 4:2:2 to 4:4:4 for best results. Am I missing something?

Thanks,

Doug
Posted: Thu, 8th Nov 2007, 9:36pm

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DaFlea wrote:

fxmaniac wrote:

i want to buy a canon hv20 can you give me any advice with it?
Great little camera, well worth the investment.
it sould work on adobe premier element shouldn't it?
Posted: Thu, 8th Nov 2007, 9:39pm

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fxmaniac wrote:

DaFlea wrote:

fxmaniac wrote:

i want to buy a canon hv20 can you give me any advice with it?
Great little camera, well worth the investment.
it sould work on adobe premier element shouldn't it?
Yea you shouldn't have any problems.. I use mine in Premier and Sony Vegas without any issues...

Doug
Posted: Thu, 8th Nov 2007, 9:40pm

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For my money I'd push for a better camera and go for hires on the grip as and when needed. For instance, in a small space like you have, do you really need to own curves? Can you make do with the $264 non-ride-on dolly and save another $2000? Is the jib critical in a small space?

Maybe even the same with lights - that's a great kit, but can you get some second-hand redheads or other lamps and spend the cash on the camera? And look at mic hires if there's a local supplier - how often do you need a wireless lav on a small greenscreen setup? Why not stick with the 66 and hire a wireless lav for $30 on the odd occasion when you need it?

Your XH-A1, or Z1 or other semi-pro camera has XLR inputs, so your Beach Box will be wasted money. And get a better tripod - that one is fine for static shots with a lighter camera, but get yourself something a bit beefier, and a fluid head so you have the option to pan/tilt!
Posted: Thu, 8th Nov 2007, 11:14pm

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From what I understand, the XH-A1 shoots 4:2:2, but downsamples to 4:2:0 when it goes to tape.
(It has to, as that is the Colorspace of HDV)
Posted: Thu, 8th Nov 2007, 11:43pm

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pdrg wrote:

For my money I'd push for a better camera and go for hires on the grip as and when needed.
I am not against getting a better camera however we will be purchasing two of them so I want a good camera but I would like to keep it around 10 grand for two.

pdrg wrote:

For instance, in a small space like you have, do you really need to own curves? Can you make do with the $264 non-ride-on dolly and save another $2000?
Remember I may want to borrow some of the toys to film my own stuff.

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Is the jib critical in a small space?
Same deal I may want to borrow it..

pdrg wrote:

Maybe even the same with lights - that's a great kit, but can you get some second-hand redheads or other lamps and spend the cash on the camera?
Was planning on getting two of the light kits already just wanted to confirm its a good deal and good quality equipment.

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And look at mic hires if there's a local supplier - how often do you need a wireless lav on a small greenscreen setup? Why not stick with the 66 and hire a wireless lav for $30 on the odd occasion when you need it?
Again I may want to use them... lol If you haven't figured out by now cash is not to big of a deal I am already in the 20 grand area with all my stuff spaced out here and other things... When you work for the collage system you learn to ask for everything up front because you may not get a second chance.

pdrg wrote:

Your XH-A1, or Z1 or other semi-pro camera has XLR inputs, so your Beach Box will be wasted money.
The Beach Box is for the Canon HV-20, I guess I should have not show that in my list to avoid any confusion..

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And get a better tripod - that one is fine for static shots with a lighter camera, but get yourself something a bit beefier, and a fluid head so you have the option to pan/tilt!
Which pod are you talking about because the heavy duty one is for the jib crane. Also I would like to get all the cool stuff for the crane ie monitor and remote camera controls but i don't know what i need for it..

Thanks for responding all of your points are well taken I should have explained in more detail on my original post what i was trying to accomplish.

Doug
Posted: Thu, 8th Nov 2007, 11:47pm

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Bryce007 wrote:

From what I understand, the XH-A1 shoots 4:2:2, but downsamples to 4:2:0 when it goes to tape.
(It has to, as that is the Colorspace of HDV)
OK so if I go straight to hard drive I shouldn't have an issue with the downsample?
Posted: Wed, 14th Nov 2007, 3:23pm

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Anyone else have any advice to offer...
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DaFlea wrote:


pdrg wrote:

And get a better tripod - that one is fine for static shots with a lighter camera, but get yourself something a bit beefier, and a fluid head so you have the option to pan/tilt!
Which pod are you talking about because the heavy duty one is for the jib crane. Also I would like to get all the cool stuff for the crane ie monitor and remote camera controls but i don't know what i need for it..
Doug
I have a hunch you'll want to spend a lot more on your legs if you're going for a good setup (with things to borrow - and you only get one bite of the pie!). The pods you list just look too flimsy to me to do any serious work on, and without a fluid head, you'll never pan or tilt - absolutely essential if you're assembling a good, enduring kit. Seriously, good legs could cost you $1000+ plus a good head, but they'll be strong and not wobble with your jib arm (wobbly legs will really show up by the time the long jib amplifies the judder!).

I'd also explore your lighting options a bit more - what you've put will be OK I'm sure, but they're definitely not going to sertve you as long or well as a good pro set of stuff - if you have no cash limitations, seriously and withouyt question, get yourself some 2' and 4' 4-bank Kinos with daylight/tungsten tubes (plus grip), a couple of Ianiro or Arri (or some other) redheads (the most useful light in the world, everyone loves an 800W redhead), and a 4-set of Dedolights (plus grip, filters, etc). Oh, and spens a few $$$ on getting some 1/4 daylight blue gel, some 1/4 straw (both for balancing light temperatures for daylight/tungsten) gel, a roll of black-wrap, ND Gel, diffusion, croc clips, polys/reflectors, rubber matting, gaffer tape, camera tape, masking tape, coloured marking tapes, hyviz waistcoats, etc - $200+-odd will get you a great set of 'consumables' (entirely reuseable except the tape!). Get that little lot, and you can look any DoP in the eye and say 'I've got Redheads, Kino's, Dedo's and consumables', they'll say 'cool, let's rumble...' - any pro will be happy to see that (as opposed to some own-brand bodgeit lighting setup on wobbly stands!).

Good place to spend the money, lighting - even better than cool grip equipment and you'll get far more use out of it than a dolly you can't fit in the back of a car and only use a few times a year in comparison - spend the money on the screen where it'll add value to productions - a jib on a badly lit scene will look amateur compared with considered lighting and a simple dolly/static shot!

My 2p again. But I'd love to come and play with all your toys once you get them - if you weren't a zillion miles away wink