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Posted: Wed, 10th Oct 2007, 4:33pm

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For all those hoping it would happen, it finally has.

Video: http://youtube.com/watch?v=uHAieR6z1tc

Official site:

http://smashbros.com

Discuss.


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Posted: Wed, 10th Oct 2007, 5:26pm

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I already made a thread about this about an hour ago. http://fxhome.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=31819

But yeah, it's awesome
Posted: Wed, 10th Oct 2007, 5:30pm

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Whoops. Oh well, give it a couple hours and one or the other will be deleted.
Posted: Wed, 10th Oct 2007, 6:32pm

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It had to happen. There were so many hints and clues dropped such as seeing blue balls and dashes far in the distance of images released.

I love the music for the little introduction video it had, it's the main theme tune from the game Sonic Adventure 2 Battle but more rocked-up which it right-fully should be.

If he doesn't say "CHAOS CONTROL" somewhere during the game i will eat my wii-mote. Sideways.
Posted: Wed, 10th Oct 2007, 6:38pm

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I'm going to be so damn good at this game wink
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Yeah Demonicy, there are about 30 well known game-music-composers working with this game, so the music should AND WILL be awesome. It has to, it must match the rest of the game wink

Btw Er-no, dunno if you have a Wii (yet) but I'm most likely to own you. =P

The sonic news are great, too.
Posted: Wed, 10th Oct 2007, 7:19pm

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Demonicy wrote:

It had to happen. There were so many hints and clues dropped such as seeing blue balls and dashes far in the distance of images released.
Really? Could you give me a link to any of those pictures, please?
Posted: Wed, 10th Oct 2007, 7:37pm

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I will get onto finding those images right away. me

Yep Klut, i have seen the list of composers and it amazes me to what they have worked on, but amazes me more they are all collectively doing this for one game. One bloody awesome game.

I loved Melee. Kirby was my main character! The lighter characters can be really effective if you know your opponent and know how to use them well. For example, JiggylyPuffs power roll and sleeping bomb. Can't count the number of times i have sent enemies flying with that one.
Posted: Wed, 10th Oct 2007, 9:06pm

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There are more but i'm having a hard time finding them for some reason (could be because they are now classed as "old" images compared to the newer and prettier ones coming out).

It's a small image too, the larger one shows it MUCH better. Basically, the screens on the right, specifically the blue one 2nd from the top.

When seen on the larger image and looked closely, you can see the sega logo which all sonic games started off with. (Will find that said logo later). It's easier to see if you up the brightness and contrast too as the shape becomes much more apparent.

So yes, one small and sneaky hint within an image. I will now continue to hunt for further ones.
Posted: Wed, 10th Oct 2007, 9:13pm

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So they're just going to keep adding a ridiculous amount of unaffiliated characters to this game and making a big deal about it, and then never release it? Is that their plan?

Seriously though, when does it come out?
Posted: Wed, 10th Oct 2007, 10:16pm

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It's coming out December 3 in the states. It got delayed in Japan to January 25 of next year though.

EDIT: oops, thanks for clearing that up Serpent. Although it would be a bummer if the game got delayed to next year, I'm looking at the bright side of it. Maybe they're deciding to make the online better by including much-needed voice chat.

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Posted: Wed, 10th Oct 2007, 11:53pm

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FreshMentos wrote:

It's coming out December 3 in the states. It got delayed in Japan to January 25 of next year though.
Nope. Notice on the US site it now says "TBD." Honestly, I'm scared...


Also, there were a ton of new Nintendo Updates on this thread:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=197943

Disaster, Monster Hunter, FFCC CB, new Galaxy stuff, Mario Kart stuff, WiiWare updates, were all awesome. Also, check out this Wii sidescroller:

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/25660.html

If you are into sidescrollers, I'll just say this:



Yeah...

I am ecstatic. Lots of great news today. Sonic is an awesome addition and the video was great. The possible delay is bad, but Galaxy and Halo 3 will tide me over.
Posted: Thu, 11th Oct 2007, 2:43am

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It would be good if SmashBro's added in Tails. He would definitely make a big hit in the game because I love that guy smile

Ahhh good old Sega days smile
Posted: Thu, 11th Oct 2007, 3:16am

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Serpent wrote:

FreshMentos wrote:

It's coming out December 3 in the states. It got delayed in Japan to January 25 of next year though.
Nope. Notice on the US site it now says "TBD." Honestly, I'm scared...


Also, there were a ton of new Nintendo Updates on this thread:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=197943

Disaster, Monster Hunter, FFCC CB, new Galaxy stuff, Mario Kart stuff, WiiWare updates, were all awesome. Also, check out this Wii sidescroller:

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/25660.html

If you are into sidescrollers, I'll just say this:



Yeah...

I am ecstatic. Lots of great news today. Sonic is an awesome addition and the video was great. The possible delay is bad, but Galaxy and Halo 3 will tide me over.
Thanks for those SSBB and SMG screens, there awesome. As for brawl, all I can say is sonic looks like the character I'll be using most often.
Posted: Thu, 11th Oct 2007, 4:44am

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I just don't see how people can get so worked up over a 20-year-old character still in new games being added to a sidescroller 3rd-reincarnation of a (yes, great and fantastic) game. Really, can't.

And I feel like I'm taking crazy pills, here. Sonic? Woooowwww. Is there something I'm missing?
Posted: Thu, 11th Oct 2007, 8:53am

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Atom wrote:

I just don't see how people can get so worked up over a 20-year-old character still in new games being added to a sidescroller 3rd-reincarnation of a (yes, great and fantastic) game. Really, can't.

And I feel like I'm taking crazy pills, here. Sonic? Woooowwww. Is there something I'm missing?
That 'worked up' thing would be because a lot of fans out there wanted sonic to appear in the game. A lot. Nintendo listened, dropped hints, and finally released confirmation of him being in the game. That's why everyone is so excited and stuff, because he's been anticipated so highly. I'm not one of those "SONIC IS GOD" people but i am very pleased he's making an apearance. me

FACT: The creators of Metal Gear Solid approached Nintendo about their character Solid Snake making a grand entrance in Super Smash Bros. Melee. They were very much up for the idea, but by then the game was too late in development so they postponed it. By the time Brawl has come along, people in the know of what previously happened had a 99.99% chance of being right when they said "Solid Snake will appear in Brawl". And sure enough, he did. Sega caught a whiff of this and wanted a slice of Wii-pie! That's basically how the sonic story started.

Lastly, another huge clue to the sonic character would be the (in my opinion, mediocre) game in which sonic and mario compete in the olympic games thing. Sega's got on the band-wagon and wants some of that Wii-action!

EDIT:

Because the blue hedgehog has shown it's spikes, there's got to be atleast one level specific to that character and most likely a weapon too. In the introduction clip people can see sonic bounding from those typical red and yellow bouncers which are often seen in his games within the brawl setting. I'm pretty sure that's one of his special moves and not part of the scenery, but who knows.
Posted: Thu, 11th Oct 2007, 11:17am

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Atom wrote:

I just don't see how people can get so worked up over a 20-year-old character still in new games being added to a sidescroller 3rd-reincarnation of a (yes, great and fantastic) game. Really, can't.

And I feel like I'm taking crazy pills, here. Sonic? Woooowwww. Is there something I'm missing?
Do you even play/like video games?
Posted: Thu, 11th Oct 2007, 11:20am

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I don't 'get' this game. Is it just a beat-em-up? I'm not sure what there is to be excited about... crazy

Sure, combining a few iconic characters into one game is quite fun (if a bit weird), but these aren't even really 'characters'. They're just visually distinctive avatars that have been used in a few brands. They're hardly defined beyond the visual sense (or the fact that they can 'move fast' or 'double jump') - unless I'm missing something.

I don't mean to diminish the clear excitement you're all feeling, that's all cool. I just don't get it. Maybe I'm just too old? unsure
Posted: Thu, 11th Oct 2007, 11:50am

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The question could be altered into "why do people get excited over halo 3/bio shock/half life/etc". Same kind of reason, they just love the games.

I'm not gonna go into an essay on this, but people have different tastes, views and opinions. Your opinion would be you don't know much of what the game is about and thus don't really seem bothered by it (or something like that, right? Correct me if i'm wrong please!)

For starters, Super Smash has always been a big thing. And yes, it is a kind of beat em' up. N64, Gamecube, now the Wii; as it grew, so did the huge number of fans. I don't know anyone with a Gamecube that hasn't got the game and loved it, and i don't know anyone with a Wii that isn't eagerly waiting for the next one. It's one of the best multiplayer games out there and is immense fun if solo or with others.

If you don't mind me asking, how old are you? I think age doesn't matter when it comes to playing a game and enjoying it! Do you have any favourites?
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i don't know anyone with a Wii that isn't eagerly waiting for the next one.
*raises his hand* You know one now. smile
Posted: Thu, 11th Oct 2007, 12:06pm

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Sollthar wrote:

i don't know anyone with a Wii that isn't eagerly waiting for the next one.
*raises his hand* You know one now. smile
Indeed, now i do!
Posted: Thu, 11th Oct 2007, 12:46pm

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Demonicy wrote:

The question could be altered into "why do people get excited over halo 3/bio shock/half life/etc". Same kind of reason, they just love the games.
Very true. Also, marketing budgets and hype. razz

I think with all 3 of those people expect genuine innovations with them to some degree. I'm just wondering what's kept the Super Smashing Attack Brothers games popular over the years, other than doing things like 'adding Sonic'. smile

I'm not gonna go into an essay on this, but people have different tastes, views and opinions. Your opinion would be you don't know much of what the game is about and thus don't really seem bothered by it (or something like that, right? Correct me if i'm wrong please!)
Indeed, I know very little about it. All I know is that it has an odd name, that's presumably been badly (or literally) translated from the original (presumably) Japanese. I'm happy to be educated on it, though. What makes it so special to fans such as yourselves?

If you don't mind me asking, how old are you? I think age doesn't matter when it comes to playing a game and enjoying it! Do you have any favourites?
I'm 27 (well, in a couple of weeks). The only reason I asked about age is that the game looked more aimed at kids, so it's entirely likely that I've always been outside of its demographic.

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Posted: Thu, 11th Oct 2007, 1:02pm

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Tarn wrote:

Demonicy wrote:

The question could be altered into "why do people get excited over halo 3/bio shock/half life/etc". Same kind of reason, they just love the games.
Very true. Also, marketing budgets and hype. razz

I think with all 3 of those people expect genuine innovations with them to some degree. I'm just wondering what's kept the Super Smashing Attack Brothers games popular over the years, other than doing things like 'adding Sonic'. smile

I'm not gonna go into an essay on this, but people have different tastes, views and opinions. Your opinion would be you don't know much of what the game is about and thus don't really seem bothered by it (or something like that, right? Correct me if i'm wrong please!)
Indeed, I know very little about it. All I know is that it has an odd name, that's presumably been badly (or literally) translated from the original (presumably) Japanese.

If you don't mind me asking, how old are you? I think age doesn't matter when it comes to playing a game and enjoying it! Do you have any favourites?
I'm 27 (well, in a couple of weeks). The only reason I asked about age is that the game looked more aimed at kids, so it's entirely likely that I've always been outside of its demographic.
Ex-freakin'-actly. You hit right on my point, Tarn. It's finally nice to see someone on here who isn't obsessively wrapped up in menial additions.
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Aimed at kids... That made me shiver X_x

I wouldn't say it's aimed at blood-thristy people, but no way is this aimed at kids! I'm 18, i play SSBM. My mum plays SSBM. Shes 40! Don't know how old the mums/dads of 2 of my mates are but they too play it aswell, along with other games on the same console and others.

I would like to come back to "I'm just wondering what's kept the Super Smashing Attack Brothers games popular over the years, other than doing things like 'adding Sonic' smile" Don't most games in a series add players, add levels, add items and add to the story line? That's the basis for improving a lot of well known games and gathering new and old blood collectively to buy and enjoy that newer release. Well, this game has done the same. It's added to the playable characters, gotten more levels, newer items and made a new storyline (although it's just an excuse really to make the game, heh).

...Why do i feel i'm gonna be dragged into an argument of some kind... boggle Me no wantay!
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Demonicy wrote:

Aimed at kids... That made me shiver X_x
Sorry, I didn't mean it in a disparaging way.

I wouldn't say it's aimed at blood-thristy people, but no way is this aimed at kids! I'm 18, i play SSBM. My mum plays SSBM. Shes 40! Don't know how old the mums/dads of 2 of my mates are but they too play it aswell, along with other games on the same console and others.
Yeah, don't get me wrong. I'm sure the game can be really good fun no matter what age you are. I was referring specifically to the characters it includes and its visual style, which seems to be trying to appeal more to younger players than older players - same with the title. The actual gameplay is a separate issue, I think.

Don't most games in a series add players, add levels, add items and add to the story line? That's the basis for improving a lot of well known games and gathering new and old blood collectively to buy and enjoy that newer release.[/quote]

Very true, although I'm not actually very keen on that approach for the most part, especially if they're released at the same price as a full game. Expansion packs and extra bits are fine if priced appropriately.

The Half Life 2 episodes, for example, are essentially the exact same game as HL2, but with more levels. But they're also pretty cheap compared to a full game, so I don't see a problem with it. If they'd combined all three of the episodes and released it as 'Half Life 3', I'd have been pretty disappointed, though.

Same goes for all the EA sports games, that barely changed year-to-year. I'm not sure I really see the point!

If Super Smash Bros is story-focused, then it's a slightly different situation. I'd presumed it didn't have a story and was 'just' an arcade game. If there's a story involved then it's a slightly different situation. If there isn't a continuing story in the series, then I'd wonder why people don't just play the original and save their money (like with the EA sports games).

...Why do i feel i'm gonna be dragged into an argument of some kind... boggle Me no wantay!
Heh, sorry. I'm just curious is all!
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Tarn wrote:

Sorry, I didn't mean it in a disparaging way.
No problemo!

Tarn wrote:

I was referring specifically to the characters it includes and its visual style, which seems to be trying to appeal more to younger players than older players - same with the title. The actual gameplay is a separate issue, I think.
Ah, i get you more now! That "rounded" style as i like to call it, is there for a couple of reasons. It cannot be too detailed in terms of 'mario's sweat being seen falling from his left cheek' as it would ruin the graphics which have been used in the past to make those same characters. Argh... It's hard to explain or put into a sentence... Hopefully you will get what i mean. Anyway, because there are a mix of characters from different game styles and with different looks, they had to find a suitable style themselves so not one person/thing would look that out of place. It was easier to do on the N64 because, well, it was more blocky so they could cheat a bit.

Although it's a beat em' up, having blood spilling onto the arenas wouldn't be appropriate either. However, i wouldn't say no to seeing Diddy Kong being beaten up by Mario and having his teeth fly out mid-punch... twisted

Tarn wrote:

Same goes for all the EA sports games, that barely changed year-to-year. I'm not sure I really see the point!
Don't get me started on those... Every year a football game comes out which has NO improvement other than updated player stats and maybe the odd music change/new camera angle added for replays. If it was moving to a new console, so it had to up-date graphics, fine, make a new one then. But apart from that it does seem really pointless. I'm not having a go at the dedicated football or sport fans out there who go for these things, but rather at the developers who know, just know, that making another game for that year based on the previous will trick people into giving them the cash from their wallets. Then again, if they can, they will. Money after all *shrug*

Tarn wrote:

If Super Smash Bros is story-focused, then it's a slightly different situation.
The past games had story's and had story modes within a single player area but they weren't that deep. This new story line, if not a little cheesy, is no doubt going to be something a lot more involving than before and a lot lot more enjoyable.

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Heh, sorry. I'm just curious is all!
Curiousity killed the cat! razz Nah, i'm joking me I just expected someone to butt in and start being really argumentative about it which would annoy me a great deal, no matter what point he/she would be trying to make.
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I'm going to jump into this and back up what Demonicy is trying to explain,

First off. What makes the games fun to me is it that it's innovative with it's items, stages, and character abilities. It's game modes are awesome, the whole game is frantic and fast paced which just makes it crazy (in a good way biggrin ). Then there's when you become really good at the game and when you play against someone else of your skill, it really gets your heart-pumping! Oh, and it has incredibly good orchestrated music.

The game is not necessarily aimed at kids, It's catered more towards the hardcore Nintendo Fans. I actually think that Brawl might be too complicated for 'little kids'.

Brawl seems to improve on everything from Melee. With it's new characters, stages, items, side-scrolling story mode (YES!! me ), move techniques, online play (although it's not that great), a really cool new custom game maker, and lastly, the super cool Final Smash moves.

And for the reason why I think people on this topic (including me) are exited about Sonic being in the game, is that we can finally pit him against Mario but he also is just a character that fans have always wanted in smash.

Now to Tarn and Atom. The game is a gift for the Nintendo fans, which you guys are not. That is the reason why you wouldn't like the game as much as us. At least I wouldn't if I were you smile.
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The game is not necessarily aimed at kids, It's catered more towards the hardcore Nintendo Fans
Isn't that the same thing? *ducks*

I always thought of Nintendo fans as either kids or kiddish semi-adults. And yes, some might actually be 30 or over in terms of their physical age. A good mate of mine is walking prejudice of a hardcore Nintendo fan, otherwise also known as "geek" or "nerd". biggrin


Ah well, I never played any of the Super Smash Dash Bros games, so I don't know anything about the games really. They might actually be fun. Shame I don't care about any of those characters myself. :I
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Personally, I am pleased that Sonic the Hedgehog decided to deepen his relationship with god by being confirmed especially for Smash Bros.

The Smash bro's games haven't really changed at all, though this is more or less how a lot of console series work. New versions come out to fill the gap that having to buy new consoles and therefore leave the old versions behind have created.

I admit, I enjoyed Smash Brother's on the N64 years back. The game's pure arcade and is a real laugh with 4 people at one machine though I am concerned about how it'll work with the Wii controls. Whilst it can definitely be criticized for being unoriginal and totally counter-revolutionary, it's still a blast. Which is really the whole point of gaming even though it no longer appeals to my elitist connoisseur tastes.

-Hybrid.
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What do you mean, how will it work with the Wii Controls? You're able to choose from Wiimote, Wiimote + Numchuck, Classic-Controller and GC-Controler and they have made sure you'll be able to do everything no matter what controller prefer.
I think there will be no problems, what so ever.

I think I'll prefer Wiimote + Nummchuck, cause I enjoy having my arms more free.

Btw Tarn: You might think that smash isn't more special than Tekken (except that instead of hp you take damage and fly around and are able to jump in mid air). But Super Smash is really special, and it's worth a try. I haven't spend more time playing any game as much as I've played super smash.
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Hybrid-Halo wrote:

The game's pure arcade and is a real laugh with 4 people at one machine though I am concerned about how it'll work with the Wii controls.
There are 4 ways to play the game in term of controls:

    Wiimote and Nunchuk
    Wiimote (sideways)
    Wii Handheld controller
    Gamecube Controller


The last 2 would probably be more "pro" and technically easier to use but i reckon the first 2 would be more fun.
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Klut wrote:

What do you mean, how will it work with the Wii Controls?
Sorry, I'll transcribe:

I personally think the wii motes are unresponsive inaccurate novelty piffle that pale by comparison to the GameCube control. Fortunately, it's just been mentioned that the GC will work for it. Not that this matters, as I don't own a Wii as a result won't be getting the new Smash Bros.

-Hybrid.
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Klut wrote:

I haven't spend more time playing any game as much as I've played super smash.
My SSBM game on Gamecube apparently has racked up over 170 hours of play, purely from myself. And i'm not the type of person to play games until my hands bleed or the game dies, so that shows something >_<
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hehe, I think mine is around 200 or someting, and I've deleted the save by mistake 5 times or something, so it's not the real truth razz
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frown

It's official. The game has been delayed stateside. But all the way to Feb 10. At least they're going to enhance the game's online and add more content to it. Oh well, at least galaxy will be amazing and Halo 3 is very fun. I can wait.
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FreshMentos wrote:

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It's official. The game has been delayed stateside. But all the way to Feb 10. At least they're going to enhance the game's online and add more content to it. Oh well, at least galaxy will be amazing and Halo 3 is very fun. I can wait.
How to you know they're enhancing the online mode?
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FreshMentos wrote:

Oh well, at least galaxy will be amazing...
If this year has taught me one thing in regards to games, it's that nothing is amazing until it's been released and you've played it. Fingers crossed that you're right, for Nintendo's sake.

-Hybrid.
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Shoot,

Forgot to post the link: http://wii.ign.com/articles/826/826579p1.html
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http://gonintendo.com/?p=27058

Two videos biggrin
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Tarn wrote:

I don't 'get' this game. Is it just a beat-em-up? I'm not sure what there is to be excited about... crazy
If you are a hardcore player, the fighting engine is incredibly deep and like no other. Most fighting games you press certain combinations of buttons for combos. This is more: here are your moves: move around in space and you make the combos. It's MUCH more complex than that, but that's the idea. Each character brings something different to the game. Tarn, really, if you think this is a beat-'em-up game, I really recommend that you play it. I am not guaranteeing that you'll like it, but you can at least see what it's about. It's definitely almost strictly a multiplayer experience and the replay value is amazing (I still play every day.) It's also a game that you need to learn how to play properly before it's fun. Maybe this will help you understand it a little more? Watch some videos if you truly want to see what it's meant to be played like (especially tournament videos where it's not just a bunch of n00bs d*cking around.)

@Atom: I can understand what you wouldn't like Sonic--you didn't grow up with him or anything. However, I don't see how it's so ridiculous that on is excited about an awesome character that one loves coming to a fighting game that they love. We get it: you don't like Nintendo, Smash, etc. Get over it though. I'm sick of these pointless topic raids.

FreshMentos wrote:

It's official. The game has been delayed stateside.
Called it.

Hybrid-Halo wrote:

FreshMentos wrote:

Oh well, at least galaxy will be amazing...
If this year has taught me one thing in regards to games, it's that nothing is amazing until it's been released and you've played it. Fingers crossed that you're right, for Nintendo's sake.
I know it's safe to be a skeptic, but honestly if you read impressions, watch videos, and you have the knowledge of Nintendo's past platformers (the controls are always perfect, or damn close), I think this is a guaranteed hit for those who like these kinds of games. It's just such a beautiful game, fantastic design, the list goes on. I don't know if you've looked into it, but just watch a few videos. I don't know if it's your "thing," but there are no doubts in my mind.

Also: MAJOR SMASH NEWS:

Next week, Nintendo is letting fans in LA play the game hands on. For those of you true Smash fans, this is where we'll see some proper gameplay footage and hopefully get mechanics such as wavedashing confirmed/denied.

Here are 2 hands on videos that confirm a new stage (Norfair from Super Metroid), Advance Wars assist trophy, and more. It shows off a lot of Sonic mechanics in real battle and stuff. Just give it a watch. They suck at Smash, but it's cool to see it in action. This is a quick demo Nintendo setup for basic handson stuff and the tourney. Limited maps, characters, items, and modes (time).

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=198225

It also confirms entrances that were removed from Melee for no good reason (other than time restraints probably). That's exciting. Also, apparently dark Link is one of links costumes.

EDIT: Klut beat me to the vids.
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Serpent wrote:

Tarn wrote:

I don't 'get' this game. Is it just a beat-em-up? I'm not sure what there is to be excited about... crazy
If you are a hardcore player, the fighting engine is incredibly deep and like no other. Most fighting games you press certain combinations of buttons for combos. This is more: here are your moves: move around in space and you make the combos. It's MUCH more complex than that, but that's the idea. Each character brings something different to the game. Tarn, really, if you think this is a beat-'em-up game, I really recommend that you play it. I am not guaranteeing that you'll like it, but you can at least see what it's about. It's definitely almost strictly a multiplayer experience and the replay value is amazing (I still play every day.) It's also a game that you need to learn how to play properly before it's fun.
It's SSMB, right? I just can't see it getting much more complex or interesting than being a 'beat em up' myself. I enjoyed the original very much way back in the day. (Went over to my neighbors house every day to play) But even games like GoldenEye back then were/are more complex (gameplay-wise) than SSMB. Serpent, I mean, come on now. It's a single-screen fighting game. Not that it can't be awesome or anything, but don't treat it like something it isn't. It can be a great game as the former.

Serpent wrote:

@Atom: I can understand what you wouldn't like Sonic--you didn't grow up with him or anything. However, I don't see how it's so ridiculous that on is excited about an awesome character that one loves coming to a fighting game that they love. We get it: you don't like Nintendo, Smash, etc. Get over it though. I'm sick of these pointless topic raids.
I just posed the exact same statement/question many after me did. (Including but not limited to Sollthar, Tarn, and Hybrid-Halo.) You're right, I do tend to pick on Nintendo, and that isn't fair. But just as you may get upset, I get confused at the attention and hype associated with such small things. Really. It seems ridiculous to me, that's all I can say to it.

I really just don't see where you're coming from. I casually play games on most systems, though I do prefer my PSP simply because I like more 'adult' or 'mature' or 'realistic' games. Nothing wrong with either way, I just don't like Nintendo's strategy.

Wii was inventive, Wii was a step up. Now let's see new games, new tricks, and new character to go with it and I'll be impressed.
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Just a little update:

Hands-on footage: http://youtube.com/watch?v=j5zm9ydXMrY

Sonic VS. Link: http://youtube.com/watch?v=SPgiXx6yrIg

Mario VS. Samus: http://youtube.com/watch?v=pn_J_Z5gaik

Diddy Kong's Jetpack: http://youtube.com/watch?v=TmZs39Vkf4w
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Tarn wrote:

I don't 'get' this game. Is it just a beat-em-up? I'm not sure what there is to be excited about... crazy

Sure, combining a few iconic characters into one game is quite fun (if a bit weird), but these aren't even really 'characters'. They're just visually distinctive avatars that have been used in a few brands. They're hardly defined beyond the visual sense (or the fact that they can 'move fast' or 'double jump') - unless I'm missing something.

I don't mean to diminish the clear excitement you're all feeling, that's all cool. I just don't get it. Maybe I'm just too old? unsure
]

Since the first Smash Bros on the N64, Nintendo have continuously raised the bar in creating a serious 'arcade' style beat up em, indeed, 'brawl em up'. There is something arcade/nostalgic and pure fun about Smash Bros and thats why its up their amongst one of the most anticipated games on any platform at the moment.

It's a homage to literally what can be done with simple but perfectly executed gameplay and lifespan elements, coupled with simple but effective controls. Throw it online and co-op modes, with just as much manic fun as the eyes can handle, and yeah. Smash Bros is a game that will do extremely well. I for one cannot wait for the reviews, and for yet another title for the Wii, I want it to live up to the hype. As yet the console cannot deliver on software, but with series AAA 10million+selling games like Smash Bros, it'll go from strength to strength.

Yes, its iconic characters just going mental. Buts its the way these 'avatars' have been executed into gameplay that allow for serious console fun. It's probably the nearest to perfection a multi-player fighter will ever get.
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Atom wrote:

It's SSMB, right? I just can't see it getting much more complex or interesting than being a 'beat em up' myself. I enjoyed the original very much way back in the day. (Went over to my neighbors house every day to play) But even games like GoldenEye back then were/are more complex (gameplay-wise) than SSMB. Serpent, I mean, come on now. It's a single-screen fighting game. Not that it can't be awesome or anything, but don't treat it like something it isn't. It can be a great game as the former.
OK, stop right there. You can't just go in and say that. You have no idea what the hell you are talking about. You play it casually. Every heard of wave dashing, SHFFLing, tehching? It's a very complex and deep engine and you simply don't know what you are talking about. So just stop. Seriously. How can you make such claims with such limited knowledge. Christ. Search Youtube for "Azen," "Ken," "Neo" to name a few "pros" with "Smash Bros." and if you know anything about the game (which you clearly don't) you'll see advanced play. Advanced tactics are half of it though, strategy, mind games, combos, and reflexes play a major role. Just...stop.

I play Smash like a hobby. New characters are exciting because it's a whole new way to play. Shut up, and get over it. I know you love your damn PSP, and you Zune. I don't care. Express your love for it elsewhere and leave your hate out.

Also, the game is SSBM, not SSMB, as you dubbed it twice.

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But just as you may get upset, I get confused at the attention and hype associated with such small things. Really. It seems ridiculous to me, that's all I can say to it.

I really just don't see where you're coming from. I casually play games on most systems, though I do prefer my PSP simply because I like more 'adult' or 'mature' or 'realistic' games. Nothing wrong with either way, I just don't like Nintendo's strategy..
That's the difference Atom. You don't play Smash avidly. So why do you care? I don't give a damn that you aren't in on the hype. Why do you have to advertise that in every topic? It pisses me off. If you are a fan of something and it makes a comeback or it joins a series or makes a cameo, you'll appreciate it. I know you like films and comic books. Think of it in that sense and get over it. I am absolutely sick of you Atom. Also, if you want to play mature games, get a PC. The PSP sucks, face it and get out of this topic. I addressed Tarn because he wanted to know about it, Sollthar simply isn't excited, Hybrid-Halo didn't post anything that needed a response because his post was educated. I understand why they might not be fans. But they aren't posting mindlessly.
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Serpent wrote:

Atom wrote:

It's SSMB, right? I just can't see it getting much more complex or interesting than being a 'beat em up' myself. I enjoyed the original very much way back in the day. (Went over to my neighbors house every day to play) But even games like GoldenEye back then were/are more complex (gameplay-wise) than SSMB. Serpent, I mean, come on now. It's a single-screen fighting game. Not that it can't be awesome or anything, but don't treat it like something it isn't. It can be a great game as the former.
OK, stop right there. You can't just go in and say that. You have no idea what the hell you are talking about. You play it casually. Ever heard of wave dashing, SHFFLing, tehching? It's a very complex and deep engine and you simply don't know what you are talking about. So just stop. Seriously. How can you make such claims with such limited knowledge. Christ. Search Youtube for "Azen," "Ken," "Neo" to name a few "pros" with "Smash Bros." and if you know anything about the game (which you clearly don't) you'll see advanced play. Advanced tactics are half of it though, strategy, mind games, combos, and reflexes play a major role. Just...stop.

I play Smash like a hobby. New characters are exciting because it's a whole new way to play. Shut up, and get over it. I know you love your damn PSP, and you Zune. I don't care. Express your love for it elsewhere and leave your hate out.

Also, the game is SSBM, not SSMB, as you dubbed it twice.

Serpent wrote:

But just as you may get upset, I get confused at the attention and hype associated with such small things. Really. It seems ridiculous to me, that's all I can say to it.

I really just don't see where you're coming from. I casually play games on most systems, though I do prefer my PSP simply because I like more 'adult' or 'mature' or 'realistic' games. Nothing wrong with either way, I just don't like Nintendo's strategy..
That's the difference Atom. You don't play Smash avidly. So why do you care? I don't give a damn that you aren't in on the hype. Why do you have to advertise that in every topic? It pisses me off. If you are a fan of something and it makes a comeback or it joins a series or makes a cameo, you'll appreciate it. I know you like films and comic books. Think of it in that sense and get over it. I am absolutely sick of you Atom. Also, if you want to play mature games, get a PC. The PSP sucks, face it and get out of this topic. I addressed Tarn because he wanted to know about it, Sollthar simply isn't excited, Hybrid-Halo didn't post anything that needed a response because his post was educated. I understand why they might not be fans. But they aren't posting mindlessly.
Serpents right. You have to really play the game to understand it. The fighting system imo is thee most complex fighting system in any fighting game. Its so deep its not even funny. It's def not a button masher like most other fighting games. Its clear that you don't understand it Atom (and Tarn, Sollthar, ect...) Because some of the things that you are saying (to those that play it) sound ridiculous.

My advice to those who keep asking questions as to what the hype is about, and why its so popular is to just really play it.. and if you choose not to.. then don't ask at all (no disrespect). Reading someone trying to explain it will do nothing for ya so it's rather pointless. I doubt anyone could explain it anyways. It really is too deep. Though it may not look like it from the characters/graphics, it is.

This game will be the one reason why I'll buy a wii.
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Either way, it seems ridiculous that Nintendo fans have been +1'd and myself -1'd. Seriously, I just opposed something. Is there a right side now?

I'm sorry for being negative, but I don't think it's right to reward a post with a negative and mocking attitude. If anything, it should be -1'd.
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Atom wrote:

Either way, it seems ridiculous that Nintendo fans have been +1'd and myself -1'd. Seriously, I just opposed something. Is there a right side now?

I'm sorry for being negative, but I don't think it's right to reward a post with a negative and mocking attitude. If anything, it should be -1'd.
I +1'd him because he had some good points in his post and would recommend others to read it. Stop whining about + and - 1's man hah. (Especially -1's, they don't even mean anything.. who cares..)
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You know what, I do complain about them. Because from my view, I feel like I get an excess of them that may be warranted by-the-book, but aren't ever really given to anyone. And yeah, it ticks me off.
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Yeah I get ticked off when I get them too, but I know how Atom feels because he was only having his say on it. He didn't offend anyone, He didn't curse, so eh yeah.
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Atom wrote:

You know what, I do complain about them. Because from my view, I feel like I get an excess of them that may be warranted by-the-book, but aren't ever really given to anyone. And yeah, it ticks me off.
You need a hug, man... For what it's worth, I didn't -1 you but I can kind of assume why you did get one.

You're right, I do tend to pick on Nintendo, and that isn't fair. But just as you may get upset, I get confused at the attention and hype associated with such small things. Really. It seems ridiculous to me, that's all I can say to it.
If your confused, ask... Don't make claims like:



But even games like GoldenEye back then were/are more complex (gameplay-wise) than SSMB. Serpent, I mean, come on now. It's a single-screen fighting game. Not that it can't be awesome or anything, but don't treat it like something it isn't.
What in the hell are you talking about man??? If you don't even know what it is then why are u telling someone else (who KNOWS what it is) to not treat it like it is?? Thats the stupidest thing ever man hah, are u 4real??

And if asking doesn't work, then remained confused. Because we get that you don't like it, don't get it, don't care. Great, now just kindly shut up and stop posting in this thread. Simple as that smile

Man... now I really wanna throw a -1 on your post after reading it again because it really is ridiculous...
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Messaged.
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I'm not taking the time to reply to that message because it was just as ignorant (if not more) than your last post.

Back on topic...

Sonics in the new smash, I think its pretty sweet.
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Thanks to er-no for explaining the game in terms that I could understand. smile

Sounds like it could be fun. We'll have to get a copy for the FXwii, then I can work out some of that aggression on schwar.
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I said this before! I said i could feel an argument coming along >_<

The +1's are fine as the people who got them made very handy posts or exceled in stating factual points. The -1's i think were unfair as people were stating their opinions (even though they made assumptions which were terribly and horribly incorrect) so i appologise on behalf of the voters to anyone who got bad rates due to, what i would like to think, was clashing-opinions aswell.

I started playing SSBM again last night, even though i couldn't find the memory card the saved data was on! Still, i had a good 2 hours play in multi-player mode beating up a load of 6-9 levelers (i was a little rusty, so i started on 6 and worked my way up!) and i reminded myself of why i fell in love with it.

It also brought back some fond memories of my own in-game creations! I love mucking about with the game settings and creating games within those games. For example (you have to have a go at atleast one of these):

    mad: you v 3, any characters, any level (i started at 1 and worked my way up til' it got hard!), any arena, stock = whatever (i chose 10), all items off apart from poke balls, very high drop rate. Let the mayhem comence!
    mad: all v all, any characters, high level foes, a flat-ish/small arena, sudden death (300% damage already), all items off apart from bob-ombs, very high drop rate. You will need good reactions!
    mad: [Same as above but turn off bob-ombs and have red shells instead. They will follow you around so it's a lot tougher version.]
    mad: Not really anything special, but on the F-Zero arena, when the platform falls down and the crafts come racing by, try and dodge them while staying on the ground. That means no jumping!
    mad: No set rules, but randomly have all the characters including yourself be Jiggly Puff and have the CPU on level 9 and play on the Final Destination area (the 1 platform flat one... The most basic and nerve wrecking arena IMO). I just find it funny watching a load of deadly pink fluffy things kill eachother and it's suprisingly hard to win.
    mad: you v 3, choose Jiggly Puff or Kirby, foes are Bowser x3, Ganondorf x3 or DK x3, level 9, any arena, any game type (if stock, make atleast 5 lives, if time, make atleast 3 minutes), all items on, very high drop rate. IMO if you can achieve a win on this then you can deffinetely be classed as an elite pro.


And wow, those videos are so cool! Shame the people playing were pretty new to it so it didn't look that fluent or up to it's usually quality, but still, it was great to see the final smash's in action! And i love that cute Assist Trophy of Advance Wars! Especially when the little infantry units started shooting Mario off the edge, heh.

That player list looked out of date though, i'm certain there should be loads more characters on it. Roll on Feb 18th!
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I think it's simple. If you grow up with certain characters, then you'll enjoy a game with them. If the game is actually something you enjoy as well, then you hit gold.
If you don't have much of a connection to a character, then you might not quite get the excitement.

Hell, I mean, I love the Mortal Kombat movie simply because I adored some of the characters from the videogame. Talk about being a nerd. wink

And "Kingdom Hearts" had Jack Skellington in it! Wooooooot!
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Serpent wrote:

Hybrid-Halo wrote:

FreshMentos wrote:

Oh well, at least galaxy will be amazing...
If this year has taught me one thing in regards to games, it's that nothing is amazing until it's been released and you've played it. Fingers crossed that you're right, for Nintendo's sake.
I know it's safe to be a skeptic, but honestly if you read impressions, watch videos, and you have the knowledge of Nintendo's past platformers (the controls are always perfect, or damn close), I think this is a guaranteed hit for those who like these kinds of games.
Amazing how your fanaticism has totally removed Super Mario : Sunshine from your memory. A game which was also reviewed as being the second coming of Jesus Christ by the Nintendo magazines who do the same for every Nintendo game being released as they are the few lighthouses of hope in the gloomy seas of Nintendo's games catalogue.

Don't get me wrong, I do hope you're right. I have serious nostalgic ties with Nintendo from my youth which means I always hope they succeed though at the same time I am a cynic and a fan of logical evaluation.

Never count your eggs until they've hatched. Even when it's the Nintendo Hen doing the laying. smile

I fear this is breaking off on a tangent anyway. Smash Bro's.. wooh...
-Hybrid.
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Erm, funny you say that. I am a huge Mario Sunshine fan. The ad campaign sucked (your goal in Sunshine wasn't to "clean stuff" as the commercials in the US implied). I thought it was a fantastically designed game with flawless controls and really innovative gameplay. And the platform-specific stages were awesome as well. My fanaticism isn't blinding me at all. For me, it's safe to say it's going to be a guarantee hit based on the media that I trust (Matt Cassamassina, gameplay videos, the art style, the music, the developers, the trends in gameplay that are consistent, the new gameplay elements, nostalgic elements, bringing back older stuff like costumes, visual style, Wii controller, the list goes on...)

I am glad you are hoping Nintendo succeeds and keep being a sceptic. I am not trying to change your mind. Just don't make false assumptions about my optimism for the game. Mario Sunshine is one of the reasons I am pumped for this. If you haven't played through it, I highly recommend it. Probably the number one underrated game on the GCN in my opinion. Each to his own though.
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On the flipside, Mario Galaxy does look promising and an unexpected break from routine Nintendo. (Even though it does use the same character they put in........everything)
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At least I've played Halo 3 and know that I dislike it/don't understand the hype at all... Stop trying to fight in the dark dude, it's making you look like a damn fool.
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Evman wrote:

At least I've played Halo 3 and know that I dislike it/don't understand the hype at all... Stop trying to fight in the dark dude, it's making you look like a damn fool.
Have you played online a lot? (And don't bs some lie saying that you really have to back up your claim ha). Nobody really gives a damn about Halo's campaign, if thats what youre talking about. They only play it to unlock online features. No one in my house of 5 people (including me and aj) had ever even played Halo until I got it, we really couldn't understand the hype either. Now, it's hooked a lot of the house (the online play, like 3-5 hrs at a time ha) and those that don't even play will sit there and watch even entertained hah. So yea, really play it online before ya talk. That's where the hype is.
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CX3 wrote:

Evman wrote:

At least I've played Halo 3 and know that I dislike it/don't understand the hype at all... Stop trying to fight in the dark dude, it's making you look like a damn fool.
Have you played online a lot? (And don't bs some lie saying that you really have to back up your claim ha). Nobody really gives a damn about Halo's campaign, if thats what youre talking about. They only play it to unlock online features. No one in my house of 5 people (including me and aj) had ever even played Halo until I got it, we really couldn't understand the hype either. Now, it's hooked a lot of the house (the online play, like 3-5 hrs at a time ha) and those that don't even play will sit there and watch even entertained hah. So yea, really play it online before ya talk. That's where the hype is.
See, this is the problem with Halo for me. I'm an only child(no, dammit, I'm not spoiled!), and there are really no friends that live by me that I can play Halo with, and getting a line to the family room would be a pain, as would buying a $100 wireless adapter for our 360. That's beside the point, because if I do play online I just get slaughtered. It's no fun. I was good at Halo 1. Yes, 1. Campaigns mean a lot to me. I hate these 8 hour single player games that give a massive online play I'm not going to take advantage of.

Staying on topic, I'm probably going to buy a Wii just for Brawl. God, that looks so fun. I remember playing the hell out of the first game, the hell out of the second game, and I am ready to play the third game to an extent that will render me mentally unhealthy. It's going to be a blast. Sure, it doesn't have too much of a story, but it has one thing: Bots! Oh, and the Wii comes with wireless automatically, and I don't suck at it.

Back off topic, I CAN'T WAIT UNTIL MASS EFFECT! Jesus, it's going to be like KotOR without a sh!tty fighting engine! There is a God.
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Speaking of Mass Effect, did you all hear how EA just bought Bioware and Pandemic?
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No I have not played online, but I probably will tonight (no joke actually, i'll report back tonight if it happens). I am not and never have been a very big online person, and there's just no appeal in online play for me as it gets repetitive/boring, if like Fill said, you don't have friends who play videogames that much. Also if you're not very gifted with console FPS (which I'm not, cause I think the controls are horrible), you get pwned pretty fast.
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If you haven't played through it, I highly recommend it. Probably the number one underrated game on the GCN in my opinion. Each to his own though.
Why would I be saying it was awful if I hadn't played through it? Come on now...

Anyway, I really feel I've said all I have to say on the subject of Smash Bros. Like most games, I'll most likely give it a try at some point so as to have some form of informed opinion. Here's to what the future holds.

-Hybrid.

p.s. Evman, those words. They taste like noob. razz
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You know what, I do complain about them. Because from my view, I feel like I get an excess of them that may be warranted by-the-book, but aren't ever really given to anyone. And yeah, it ticks me off.
Because you never really offer a meaningful point. You simply bash the Wii, and can't give a reason why you think the PS3 or 360 is better. I don't know about anyone else, but before judging something, try it, and if you don't like it, at least explain why. I like the Wii because it has a lot of games I enjoy playing. I also like the 360 becuase it also has a wide variety of games I enjoy playing. The PS3, on the other hand, doesn't have any games that interest me. And as I said before, don't judge something without trying it for yourself. I have played the PS3 before, and it was a mediocre system in my opinion. Changing all the formats and stuff just to rake in more money, (Blu-Ray) is ridiculous. The graphics were good, yes, but I think the 360's are better, and so are the games. The point I'm trying to get across is this: Every video game or ipod topic, it seems that you always give reasons that say, the ipod is flawed, but you never give examples of how much better the zune is. Same goes for video game topics. I'm sure you've seen how many of the FXhome team also prefer the 360, but they give reasons and examples why they prefer the 360, and admit that they've never played the Wii, instead of continuing the endless rant about Nintendo making "Kid's Games".

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On the flipside, Mario Galaxy does look promising and an unexpected break from routine Nintendo. (Even though it does use the same character they put in........everything)
Nintendo will willingly admit this. Because it works. All people need is a new story, levels, characters, and power-ups. People enjoy playing games with Mario because it's such a good franchise. I'll admit I don't enjoy the spin-offs as much as the core seris, but I enjoy almost all Mario games. This may also have something to do with what other people have said: It's nostalgic. That may be true, but I don't think there's much point in arguing about that in this thread. This was meant to be about Smash Bros., not about who likes which system more, or anything like that. If you don't like a game, state your views, and then post again if you have something else meaningful to say.

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Atom wrote:

Either way, it seems ridiculous that Nintendo fans have been +1'd and myself -1'd. Seriously, I just opposed something. Is there a right side now?

I'm sorry for being negative, but I don't think it's right to reward a post with a negative and mocking attitude. If anything, it should be -1'd.
I +1'd him because he had some good points in his post and would recommend others to read it. Stop whining about + and - 1's man hah. (Especially -1's, they don't even mean anything.. who cares..)
Exactly. If you just jump into a thread and start randomly posting against the whole reason the topic was made, then you're bound to get -1's. And seriously, what do -1's matter? +1's are good, because it means you made good or meaningful post. -1's aren't really for anything except, as read in the old forums guide, to encourage others to skip your post. That's all.

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Speaking of Mass Effect, did you all hear how EA just bought Bioware and Pandemic?
WHAT?!?!

Oh, all of my anger is going toward EA now. Bioware was one of my favorite game companies.
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Alright here's the deal. Super Smash Bros and Halo 3 are lots of fun, but neither is the best game of all time. Is that fair for everyone? Yes? Move on then.
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Fill wrote:

CX3 wrote:

Speaking of Mass Effect, did you all hear how EA just bought Bioware and Pandemic?
WHAT?!?!

Oh, all of my anger is going toward EA now. Bioware was one of my favorite game companies.
Yeah I know man ha, I hope EA doesn't destroy those companies creativity.

And Agreed Film Freak.
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So I unfortunately didn't get to play Halo 3 online, but played more of the campaign (which was very hard for me to enjoy), and some local multiplayer. I will admit that the mode where you can create/edit whatever you want was the best mode, but it couldn't top Gary's Mod for Half Life 2.

I honestly don't see how internet play could be much better, as I said before, I hate online play in general. I can see why people like it, but on the other hand I can definitely see how it's overrated. I even liked the animations and models in the first 2 Halo games more, and the graphics weren't even near to being on par with say Gears of War, which I'd expect from the system's flagship title.

After about an hour or so I'd had enough, and me and my friend who owns the XBox decided that Guitar Hero II was a better option biggrin .

Anyway, steering this back on topic, I can't wait till February!
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EDIT: Ah screw it... I'm done wasting my time
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Can u really say that w/o havent trying it yet Atom, I mean Evman ha.
When people make judgements without knowledge really gets under my skin... I dunno...

Halo, never claimed to be graphically crazy either. Its the fun factor. Theres so many diff variations to the online play its not even funny. But I guess if I blew at online gaming I wouldnt find it that fun either but you dont have say its overrated. I suck ass at soccer but I don't see how its overrated. Try knowing/trying things b4 passin judgment. If not then keep quiet or say "I really cant say anything cuz I haven't tried it..." Orrr not...
Honestly, I think you've missed the point both myself and Evman have made. And it's entirely hypocritical to get on somewhat about judging things when you yourself have said it's good or at least going to be with never having played it.

And film freak, I'll stray from most of your message, just say that I happen to own an iPod and had it for several months before my Zune, and have expressed on several occasions the strengths and weaknesses of both. The rest, I'll leave in the air. But since you transposed a specific example, I thought I'd go ahead and clobber it Thing-style. smile
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I don't personally like Halo 3, as I don't like internet play, and since that is the obvious focus of the game...

I certainly don't hate anyone for liking it, though, and I'm done sharing my opinion on the topic because

A - This is a SSBB thread
B - There's no need to keep at hating on a game/system/whatever for no reason in threads that don't call for it.



Anyways, I must say I've never been a huge Sonic fan, so this news doesn't phase me much... whereas the pushed back release date is really disappointing.
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Rating: +1

From "Sonic In SSBB" to "I don't like Halo 3"... Brilliant.

Few comments though:
(I'm not in the mood to quote anything right now)

1. Atom said he preferred mature and realistic games. Well, he does seem like one of those "constantly hardcore serious and mature" people, so I'm not surprised at all. Me on the other hand, I don't care that much for realistic games. I do both realistic and mature things in real life, so in my opinion an "unrealistic" game is much more fun than a "realistic" one.

2. Nintendo = childish. I'm tired of hearing that. (don't remember if someone actually said it or hinted it in this thread or not, but still.) It's an old and bad comment.

3. Negative ratings DOES SUCK! This other day I was totaly going to score with this hot blonde, but she found out I have 5 negative ratings, and she totaly bailed on me.

4. If you don't understand the hype, then don't care. Why do you care if people are hyped about a game you don't care much for? A bunch of my friends are all like "Halo 3 is much better then smash ever will be." (As I'm hardcore smash fan, and they are hardcore Halo fans". My reply to them is: "I care. I really do." (note: Sarcasm)

5: Can't believe that blonde got away. :'(

6: Smash biggrin

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Posted: Sat, 13th Oct 2007, 10:24pm

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*points at Klut's post*

Agreed, except for the "Nintendo isn't childish" comment, which I also don't care about.

But, yeah, anyway, I'm looking forward to 2 or 3 hours of fun at friends' house playing this just like the last two. smile (Sorry, that was the best I could do)
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Now that the arguments and random stuff has been covered...

Go SSBB, w00t! XD

Has anyone seen the new arena, 'New Pork City'? It's huge and looks crazy!

I'm personally wanting so badly to have a go on the Wario Ware level where the arena changes into a few-second-long games and if you don't do well during the games you start taking damage (such as "stay dry under an umbrella" and if you get wet you start taking damage)
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Just thought I would resurect (Spelled wrong?) this thread for the sake of people who want to discuss the game. There is a huge amount of new footage, which shows most of the storyline for the adventure mode. Watch the first video, then the others, for it to make sense. (Otherwise they won't be in order)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=UmuDKypky1Y

http://youtube.com/watch?v=rPaoRtCXbGg

http://youtube.com/watch?v=lWwT7ELldew

http://youtube.com/watch?v=OimVQ4EBAks

This game looks better and better every day.razz


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That Donkey Kong video at the end was definitely the coolest. And as always, I can't wait for this game to come out!
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For those who are more hardcore:

Wave dashing is out, as is L cancelling. Instead of L canceling, Nintendo took out some of the lag in landing aerials so all this really does is make it one less thing for advanced players to worry about I guess. L canceling really just sped up play and allowed you to recover more quickly, it wasn't what separated newbies from pros anyways. WD being out is rather disappointing, but I'm sure the Smash community will find different exploits. Spacing will just have to be done differently: short hopping and rolling. Sakurai was pushing for a more aerial, so yeah. Dash dancing is still in, this is will definitely be a tactic that will separate advanced players from good basic players methinks. So anyways, people who synthesized these tactics into their play (people who are legitimately good at the game) will have to step back and rethink the way they play I suppose. I kind of expected this, but I will definitely play this game competitively (tournaments, if the hardcore fanbase aren't a bunch of asses and boycott for that or something.) I really thought they'd throw it in, or at least wavelanding, because they've acknowledged both. n00bs don't notice it, and their hardcore fans would appreciate it. I just ask: why throw it out? The reason it's out is because air dodging is now based on your momentum, not your control stick. If you understand wavedashing, you will understand why it is no longer an exploit. If wave dashing never existed, I would totally appreciate the momentum thing because logically it makes sense.

Also, that Subspace stuff is cool. I don't care much about single player, but I'll definitely play through it and it looks very interesting.

Also, you can now jump after an air dodge. Air dodges are based on momentum, so if you air dodge when you are flying away from the stage, it won't help. But you can use it to dodge meteor smashes, projectiles, and that new stomp thing (which is a cool addition) and then continue to return to the edge. You can still only jump + B up once, obviously, but you can throw the air dodge in there whenever you want. I think this is exciting, but it still sucks that WD is out.

Apparently Fox is nerfed from Melee to be more balanced and Bowser is cranked up a bit to be able to compete. Sonic is hard to get used to and plays way differently. I know tiers aren't everything, but I wonder where some of these new and changed characters will lie on it (I know Brawl will be more balanced, but still).

Costumes are confirmed. Slight costume alterations are confirmed on some characters. Examples so far: Bowser has a plated gold costume, Fox has a Star Wolf costume, Link has a dark Link costume (not sure if this classifies as a different costume, but cool nonetheless), Diddy has a Dixie costume (with Diddy wearing it, that's all I know of. Melee and 64 just had colors, even though some had intentions (Peach with Daisy colors, Mario with Wario, Mario with Fire Flower, etc.)

If you don't care about the costumes part, this actually does tell us that Dixie and Wolf will probably not be Brawl characters (I would have loved Wolf to be in.)

-Source: people who attended E for All.

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They should make a list about which characters AREN'T in SSB... it'd be shorter. smile
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Pooky wrote:

They should make a list about which characters AREN'T in SSB... it'd be shorter. smile
Just think of the competitors, then: Master Chief, Ratchet & Clank, Snake.........oh........wait. smile
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I don't mind WD being out.
I'm not a noob in smash, but I've never really cared that much for wavedashing. I did get the hand of it and used all the time, but later I figured it didn't really help me that much, I played better when I didn't WD.
And I hate people at smash meetings etc. They make fun of me cause I don't wavedash, but still I did beat 4 of them (4/10) without wavedashing, and without Edgeguarding. Even though they took the edge from me each time, I didn't do it once. I think it's an unfair technique.
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Klut wrote:

I don't mind WD being out.
I'm not a noob in smash, but I've never really cared that much for wavedashing. I did get the hand of it and used all the time, but later I figured it didn't really help me that much, I played better when I didn't WD.
And I hate people at smash meetings etc. They make fun of me cause I don't wavedash, but still I did beat 4 of them (4/10) without wavedashing, and without Edgeguarding. Even though they took the edge from me each time, I didn't do it once. I think it's an unfair technique.
Wave dashing is only really essential with certain characters. Link, Peach, Ganon, Cp.. Falcon, Falco, Jiggly Puff, and some lower tier characters shouldn't/don't need to use wavedashing as it gets you nowhere. But if you use Fox, Shiek, Marth, Mario, Luigi, Samus, or Ice Climbers/other, you really need to WD to play competitively. Wavedashing isn't the magic tool, but every single competitive player who uses the characters I just listed wave dashes.

As for edge guarding, do you mean edge hogging (where you hang on the ledge as they fall to their death if they can't reach the stage)? Edge guarding just means attacking someone from the stage or going off the stage to attack (spiking, shining, aerial smashing, etc.) Almost no one finds this "unfair," it's part of the game, it's even in the basic tutorial NIntendo provides. I don't see how edge hogging is unfair though. It was also programmed into the game. If you are grabbing a ledge, they can't grab it. Each to his own I suppose. But if you don't edge guard, that is just odd.

EDIT: This post has the best coverage of techniques that are still in the game. I like the "edge hug" thing because it covers a wavedash function.

http://smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=3085664&postcount=1
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Why is king deede in smash bros brawl???? He's kinda weird looking...
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Aren't they all weird looking, if you think about it?
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Aren't they all weird looking, if you think about it?
Lmao, so true, so true....wink
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Serpent, It's the edge hogging, I mean. I DO edge guard, but sometimes I like to let people recover. (Depends how badly I want to win.) Edge hogging I still think is pretty lame. What's the point being able to grab the edge if people keep grabbing it in front of you?
I'll much rather use a Dair attack than grab the edge in front of you.
Dunno if you agree, though razz
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Klut wrote:

Serpent, It's the edge hogging, I mean. I DO edge guard, but sometimes I like to let people recover. (Depends how badly I want to win.) Edge hogging I still think is pretty lame. What's the point being able to grab the edge if people keep grabbing it in front of you?
I'll much rather use a Dair attack than grab the edge in front of you.
Dunno if you agree, though razz
I think if it is programmed into the game intentionally, it's legitimate strategy. Each to his own though. I think if my opponent is only going to reach the edge after a B-Up and not even during, he doesn't deserve to return, especially if I can skillfully get there just in time. So I do disagree with your "honorable" strategy. However I think it was a mistake on Nintendo's part to include that thing where if you roll from the edge, your opponent can't grab it right afterwards. Makes no sense. I can see where that might be "cheap" in some situations. That's just me.