Apple's Insomnia 24hour Film Festival
Posted: Sat, 13th Oct 2007, 12:00pm
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So, I probably should have posted this earlier, but I'm definitely doing this. We've got our hands on a GS300, which is great. I really hope we can accomplish this.
Check it out at:http://www.apple.com/education/insomnia
Again, sorry for the late notice, I planned to post this weeks ago.
I know Serpent is doing this too. Are there any other FXhomers doing it too?
Posted: Sat, 13th Oct 2007, 12:09pm
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Damn. 1 Hour to go and I've already been up all night
Posted: Sat, 13th Oct 2007, 12:36pm
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I had planned on doing this for about a month, and got my team, some lights, smokebombs, and other stuff together, until I realized you need a Mac to actually compete, which is total bullsh*t. I mean, what's the point of winning a Mac if you already have to own one that can edit?
Oh well, lost cause.
Good luck to those that entered, though, I'm excited to see your results.
Posted: Sat, 13th Oct 2007, 12:59pm
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I'm going to win! Hahahaha! 1 minute 5 seconds left!
Posted: Sat, 13th Oct 2007, 5:20pm
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I'm on team who has entered. Wish us luck!
Posted: Sun, 14th Oct 2007, 1:00am
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Oh, this is living hell...
We just spent a full 12 hours shooting, and someone didn't fast forward the tape after watching something we shot! Over 75% of our footage is lost! Wish us luck to whip something else up that could be good.
Jesus, I feel like... crying.
Posted: Sun, 14th Oct 2007, 1:15am
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Fill wrote:Jesus, I feel like... crying.
Welcome to the world of video races. See what we mean, now?
Posted: Sun, 14th Oct 2007, 1:35am
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Welcome to the world of video races. See what we mean, now?
Fill wrote:Jesus, I feel like... crying.
Yeah, it's a b*tch.
I've never been so disappointed in my life.
Posted: Sun, 14th Oct 2007, 3:22am
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It's too bad you lost all that footage.
We're making a horror. It's coming along pretty good, we just finished the fimling and are importing the footage right now.
Posted: Sun, 14th Oct 2007, 3:34am
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Damn, I really, really wish it hadn't been a Mac-only contest, otherwise I think our team would have this one covered.
I mean, I'd planned for it and everything, up until I found out it was Mac-only. I'd also refrained from telling others of it (as it seems several of my fellow FXHomers did, haha) for fear of tough competition.
I hope everyone's comes out correct and on time, I can't wait to see the entries!
Oh, and Fill, that sucks that that happened. Should probably give you some insight as to why we complain about obstacles an awful lot in these contests. I really hope you reshoot in enough time to turn it all in!
Posted: Sun, 14th Oct 2007, 4:35am
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Well, now we're getting into the editing. I think it's going to be way better than any other movie we've ever made. It's sorta a horror movie but because of the 3 minuete time limit it's gonna be more of a drama/suspence.
Posted: Sun, 14th Oct 2007, 4:45am
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Capturing the footage now! Muhahahaha, here we go....
Posted: Sun, 14th Oct 2007, 5:23am
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Yeah, we've done some of the editing on ours already. We've got our two MacBooks doing some dual editing, too, it's pretty cool. This should be fun to see everybody's movies.
Posted: Sun, 14th Oct 2007, 6:06am
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Aww, that sounds like it would've been fun! Too bad I had a lot to do today... er... yesterday.
Posted: Sun, 14th Oct 2007, 7:08am
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We're almost done with our editing and then we're gonna do the grading and the music simultaneously.
I'm giving everyone live coverage.
Posted: Sun, 14th Oct 2007, 12:02pm
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Well Jabooza and I finished our movie and are about to upload it. We didn't have time to render the grading though so it won't look quite as good as it could have. We're going to put a version into the cinema with grading as soon as we can....which looks like it's gonna be late November.
Right now we just stayed up all night and can't even fuction, in fact it's not to easy to typing this post.
Posted: Sun, 14th Oct 2007, 1:49pm
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Ours turned out terrible.
It could have been so much, but we were missing one scene. I wanted to just make another movie, because we still had resources, even though it was night, but my team was too tired. So, I just said I was 'too tired' in post-production. If actors don't want to act, then the post-production artist won't post-produce!
We made into a trailer, since we were missing a key scene to the whole thing. Everyone said, "It's only one scene!" Okay? Only one scene? You might as well just say you missed the last scene of The Prestige, but it's no big deal, it was just one scene.
I'm pretty frustrated by this. My next camcorder purchase will be an HDD cam, like the Everio GZ-HD7. Seriously. I'm officially scared of MiniDV tapes.
Posted: Sun, 14th Oct 2007, 3:33pm
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It should come as no surprise, Fill, that the same thing has happened to my crew.
After you're done filming a scene at one location (or a series of scenes) lock the tape and give it to the editor and don't touch it. Don't bother reviewing things, it's too risky. Have patience.
If you're the editor, then lock that hoe up, and switch out tapes. If you're near a house, hook up the camera (if you have another one) capture the footage, then keep going.
It may seem like a waste of time to capture during the shooting day, but it often proves more efficient and it's a way of reviewing the tape while actually doing something productive.
My first two years of 24 hour stuff (Munday and Cover's) I caused my group this same calamity (one was of a mailbox exploding as a kid blocking it from view of his parents reported there was no mail) and I've learned since.
Don't hate MiniDv, just trust yourself a little bit less and take a little more caution.
Posted: Sun, 14th Oct 2007, 3:57pm
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Thanks for the advice Ben. One of our team members, Nick wanted to review the stuff, and the person that owned the camera, Ben said no. Nick finally got his way, but I don't think it was his fault. We never really went back to check where the camera was armed to record on the tape. We got some awesome footage, even some really great Youtube footage.
We were walking in a parking garage, going up several floors, when I touched a rail, and swiped my hand on this nasty, brown, substance that looked sort of like grass. The next thing you know it, a hawk
flies down a flight of stairs. It was trapped in the parking garage, flying at a window trying to escape. I was freaking out. I thought my face was going to be disfigured if I had tried to film it. Thankfully, Nick was the only brave one to do such a task.
Production was a blast, but post-production sucked. I don't know if I'll even enter Insomnia again, since iMovie is the spawn of hell. That and trying to use a (not so)Mighty Mouse completely discouraged me from even trying to make our film look good.
It was fun, and the movie we didn't finish is going to be our next project. We're going to take our sweet time, and make it look as good as possible.
Posted: Sun, 14th Oct 2007, 5:43pm
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My team finished and submitted a film. I'm not allowed to post it until October 19th, but just wanted to let all interested in the thread know.
We had 30 minutes left and were exporting an H.264 file and it was going very slow. We got to 62% (which is near the end, H.264 seems to get to around 80% and then finish) and Final Cut Pro "unexpectedly quit." We immediately went to fix the problem, opened FCP, re-exported the clip and submitted it with minutes to spare. When it was rendering slowly for the second time, we were all crowded in front of the computer just waiting for it to finish without problem. One error or mistake and we were done. Very tense moment.
Another complication we ran into besides reshoots or things we would have liked to have been different was just video footage doing weird stuff in between programs with interlacing and other odd things. Unfortunately the opening shot has some weird what I believe to be interlacing artifacts. It doesn't ruin the film or anything, but it's a much nicer shot smooth.
Fill: I am really sorry to hear that. I'd really like to thank yo for notifying me about this contest. It was a great experience and I love having a completely new film finished after just 24 hours.
Posted: Sun, 14th Oct 2007, 6:14pm
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Serpent wrote:Fill: I am really sorry to hear that. I'd really like to thank yo for notifying me about this contest. It was a great experience and I love having a completely new film finished after just 24 hours.
I don't know why, but this really made me smile. I'm so glad to here you had more success than me.(I read this, and it sounded like sarcasm. I'm not being sarcastic)
You're welcome, and good luck! I'll definitely vote for you.
Posted: Sun, 14th Oct 2007, 7:00pm
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Fill, similar things almost happened to my group, but we stayed up all night and realized during editing around three A.M. that we were missing it. We had to go out and shoot it at around 6:00 A.M. that morning. When it comes to these contests, you need to be really careful about EVERYTHING. Rewinding and viewing the footage can be devastating. Try and get the footage onto the computer quickly, just to make sure that nothing has gone missing.
Posted: Sun, 14th Oct 2007, 8:37pm
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Well we successfully upload our movie. We usually have technical difficiulties of one sort or another but surprisingly everything went fairly smoothly on this project, except for the thing about not being able to finish the grading.
Voting starts on te 19th, wish us luck!
Posted: Sun, 14th Oct 2007, 9:57pm
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Fill, you used iMovie?! I give you props just for having to use that mess of an editor.
This is an example of my friend using it:
"Hey, let's make the video brighter!... Why is this taking so long?... I'm over this. It shouldn't take a minute just to make the video brighter."
And I'm also really sorry to hear about the loss of your footage.
Posted: Sun, 14th Oct 2007, 10:12pm
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Yeah, iMovie is a pain. I hate it when Apple tries to make things too easy. iMovie is a prime example of it. I can't even just do something as simple as dragging a clip on the time line to make it shorter/longer. One of the most painful NLEs out there.
Posted: Sun, 14th Oct 2007, 10:28pm
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Well, I guess iMovie can be slow for that kind of stuff at times but I disagree that it's a "mess of an editor." Everything works pretty smoothly and you never really have trouble finding your way around the timeline. iMovie also comes with Macs the same way Windows Movie Maker comes with Windows and I don't think anyone will argue with the fact that iMovie is leaps and bounds ahead of WMM. I've also used Pinnacle Studio and found that it's an absolute nightmare; it is extremely slow (except for exporting which is a decent speed [when it works]), it malfunctions more often than not, it's interface is stupidly designed, it has hardly any flexibility and makes doing things it should be able to do very hard and, on occasion, impossible.
I guess I've just been sitting here ranting about Pinnacle, sorry about that but I just can't stand it.
Anyway, I think it's easy to see why iMovie should be considered to be at least a decent video editor.
Posted: Sun, 14th Oct 2007, 10:38pm
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I think iMovie is great for beginners. But for some people like I who has used Vegas as a editor of choice, iMovie felt very clunky. But I now use Final Cut Express which I really like.
Posted: Sun, 14th Oct 2007, 10:45pm
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Well, yeah I didn't mean it was really good heavy-duty video editing software or anything, I just ment that it isn't bad.
Posted: Mon, 15th Oct 2007, 5:50am
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Ah, man, I can't wait to see everyone's!
Not that I'm expecting something bad to happen to any of the videos, but it'll be interesting to see how people who have made comments about the 24 hour videos (not just mine but Orange Crush and others) take their own words into consideration when producing under the same circumstances.
I remember there was a guy (not anyone in this thread) who told me "24 hours or 24 weeks, it should've been better" whose throat I wanted to rip out. I hate to ask if anyone didn't make the deadline, but if this is the case, are you willing to upload your video anyway? I'm really anxious to see some of your films! And I hope at least some of them make it to the finals!
Posted: Mon, 15th Oct 2007, 3:27pm
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You can see the videos that were in the festival last year here
Posted: Tue, 16th Oct 2007, 6:55am
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Ops101ex and I entered the contest. We also had some technical dificulties and lost most of our last scene to artifacts, but we managed to make it work. My first problems with HDV.
We had a couple of interesting moments, including a firetruck and ambulance rushing to the house next to us to save a woman as we were shooting a scene with a car that was double parked and in the way. As well we had actors that were only available for small parts of the day, and a certain someone didn't really wake up in time. We are on the westcoast, so we had to wake up and have it finished by 6 am.
Overall I think it went well. The hardest part was keeping it under 3 minutes. Obviously some things could have turned out better, but thats allways the case.
Good luck to everyone else involved, and I'm very sorry to hear about your troubles Fill.
Posted: Tue, 16th Oct 2007, 1:47pm
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We might've been able to finish the grading on our movie had we not lost time earlier in the filming when I didn't have my hat on a scene we were filming that was like, a mile away from the house. Darth Penguin had to run back to get it. We actually did finish the grading because we were using two MacBooks at once all night without any sleep but we didn't quite have time to render it.
Posted: Thu, 18th Oct 2007, 12:00am
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Check out our entry here!
Posted: Thu, 18th Oct 2007, 1:31am
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I like how this turned out. Nice job.
Only criticisms are (I know how impossible it is to make everything technically perfect in that kind of time limit): indoor lighting and composition in some shots. Otherwise, 2:29 to the end was much weaker than the rest of the film. It was on a much lower level than the rest and the acting/directing/writing kind of fell apart. I'd say you should re-write and re-shoot that just for the sake of the film.
The record player music was fantastic and creepy. You depicted the mood very well. I thought this was a cool entry and any FXHomer has my vote.
I'll post my entry on Friday.
Posted: Thu, 18th Oct 2007, 1:36am
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Not to be a stickler or anything, but the rules say that you can't show your film off Apple's website until approved.
Posted: Thu, 18th Oct 2007, 1:53am
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Not to be a stickler or anything, but the rules say that you can't show your film off Apple's website until approved.
I read that too, but I received this FAQ e-mail yesterday:
Q:Am I allowed to post my movie online somewhere to campaign for voting support?
A:Yes, you are allowed to post your movie on a website other than the Apple Insomnia Gallery in order to campaign for support for your movie. This includes places like YouTube, etc. However, we will only count ratings from individual friends, family and supporters that are recorded at the Apple Insomnia Gallery starting Oct. 19th, 2007.
EDIT: I think it's really stupid that the top 25 are the ones with the most votes. That's just people who get the most people to vote. Then the judges come in. I think there should be a large panel of judges who nominate good films and then the top X are screened to the official judges. The way it is being done now is basically a petition competition.
Posted: Thu, 18th Oct 2007, 3:57am
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This is completely true. I guess you have to be willing to get everyone you know (and don't) to vote for your movie.
What I don't get is how does the system work? Is it like a 5 star system? Or everyone can just click a "I like this movie" button? Or can everyone only vote once? I know you need an apple ID to vote.
EDIT: I decided to put ours on youtube. Here is the url: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLMc83YeKuU
If you like it please give us a vote starting on the 19th.
Good luck to everyone. We should also get this posted in the news or something so that the entire FXhome community knows about it and can vote. I figure at least one of us should win.
Too bad there was no time to use Fxhome products. Did anyone else find enough time for some nice grading or maybe nice muzzle flashes or explosions?
Posted: Thu, 18th Oct 2007, 1:20pm
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Would you guys rate and comment on our movie on YouTube so we can hopefully get more people willing to vote for it?
Posted: Thu, 18th Oct 2007, 6:08pm
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BlueSmudge wrote:Too bad there was no time to use Fxhome products. Did anyone else find enough time for some nice grading or maybe nice muzzle flashes or explosions?
I used and credited CompositeLab Pro for some compositing work.
Posted: Thu, 18th Oct 2007, 11:26pm
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Does anyone know what kind of MacBook Pros you get if you win are?
Posted: Thu, 18th Oct 2007, 11:43pm
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I would assume they are just the basic 15" model. But hey, could be a fully upgraded 17" with the high def screen
Posted: Fri, 19th Oct 2007, 11:34am
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I haven't been following this competition, I'm afraid, so I'm a bit behind here. Could someone give me a quick summary of what it's all about, and voting details, so that I can do a news post about it and point people at the voting?
Posted: Fri, 19th Oct 2007, 1:58pm
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Posted: Fri, 19th Oct 2007, 3:10pm
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I entered the contest as well--http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wi8fWS5EJsg
Let me know what you think
Posted: Fri, 19th Oct 2007, 7:03pm
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Tarn wrote:I haven't been following this competition, I'm afraid, so I'm a bit behind here. Could someone give me a quick summary of what it's all about, and voting details, so that I can do a news post about it and point people at the voting?
And the videos are supposed to go up tonight (USA time zones). We don't really know how it works, but we do know you need an Apple ID. Not sure if it's more of a "click to vote" or you pick X/5 stars. I'd imagine the former would be better for what they are going for to prevent downvoting. The current system isn't exactly nice because the top 25 worst films could be the top 25, and the judges just pick the best of those films. So we really need your votes! A news post would be incredibly nice. I'll post my film as soon as it goes online. They haven't put up anything though.
Posted: Sat, 20th Oct 2007, 12:43am
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Voting is now open!!! VOTE FOR OUR FILM HERE!!!
There's over 3 thousand videos on there so as Serpent said, only the ones with the top votes get into the top 25 so get an Apple ID and vote, vote, VOTE!!!
Posted: Sat, 20th Oct 2007, 11:54pm
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Sorry for double posting.
I can't figure out how the voting thing works when it comes to logging in. I have an Apple ID but was never able to log in with it, the only way I could find to log in was by filling out another form just like the one I did to enter the competition. Does anyone know how to do this right?
Posted: Sun, 21st Oct 2007, 12:08am
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You can view and vote on our entry here:http://edcommunity.apple.com/insomnia_fall07/item.php?itemID=1392
As far as voting goes... It is complete insanity. I was able to vote once with out logging in, and since then it takes you to a page that looks like the contest team captain signup page. Maybe people should hold off on voting untill Apple gets their stuff together.
Posted: Sun, 21st Oct 2007, 3:57am
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Here's my entry. Normally I'd say vote honestly, but an excellent would be nice, it gets us more points. Downvoting is mean, but for this you still get points I believe, it certainly doesn't hurt others, so if you are feeling like doing that, don't bother.http://edcommunity.apple.com/insomnia_fall07/item.php?itemID=1427
Our film is called Kaleid. It's kind of weird, definitely something I've never done before. Some things were sacrificed for 24 hours and the 3 minute limit. We ran into some interlacing artifacts in what should have been a smooth intro. But I like how it turned out. The "dragonflies" scene was just supposed to be like "wtf dream" and we didn't have time to accomplish the style we wanted. Anyways, hope you enjoy.
Posted: Sun, 21st Oct 2007, 12:27pm
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Ok, I think the rating is finally working so that you can use a normal Apple ID to rate things. In case the link broke in the confusion or something here's our movie.
Now we need that news entry to get us some votes!
Posted: Mon, 22nd Oct 2007, 10:25am
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Here are some instructions that Darth Penguin put together to help people vote:
1. Go to http://edcommunity.apple.com/insomnia_fall07/contest.php
2. On the upper right, under contest, click “login/register to comment”.
3. If you already have an apple ID (from the Apple or iTunes store), then log in and skip to step 8. If you don’t have an ID, there will be an option at the bottom that says: “Don’t have an apple ID? Click here to create one.” Click there.
4. Fill in all the stuff with red stars next to it. Uncheck the “Keep me up to date with Apple news” box if you don’t want them to send you stuff. Click “continue.”
5. It will bring you to a page called “My Info” Close that window and go again to http://edcommunity.apple.com/insomnia_fall07/contest.php
6. Click “login/register to comment” again.
7. Sign in with the account name and password you made in step 4.
8. Click the check box under the terms and conditions. Click the circle next to “I agree to these terms.” Put in your name, your school, your state, and your email. Click submit.
9. The next page should say: Your registration for the 2007 Insomnia Film Festival has been received.
10. Click here to visit the Insomnia Film Festival gallery to begin rating and commenting. Click there.
12. When you find a movie, there will be a drop-down menu on the right, which will say “Choose a rating.” Rate it, then click the arrow next to it.
Posted: Mon, 22nd Oct 2007, 6:28pm
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It really stinks that voting is this complicated, I don't know how we're gonna get many votes this way.
Posted: Mon, 22nd Oct 2007, 10:04pm
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Nice movie Jabooza, and I'm sure everyones film was good, but Jaboozas was the only one that didnt make my computer go slow, so his was the only one I could watch. I really liked your movie, and there was great mystery behind it all. Nice work!
Posted: Mon, 22nd Oct 2007, 11:15pm
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I hope the complicated voting and the slowness of the insomnia website doesn't turn people off.
Posted: Tue, 23rd Oct 2007, 3:11am
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of some old friends of mine has detailed instructions on how to vote, with pictures of the whole process if you're stuck.
Their movie is also pretty good, I found it really, really well done; especially considering most 24 hour films I've seen in my life have been crap (not FXHome guys, but local filmmakers at the contest I do annually)
Posted: Tue, 23rd Oct 2007, 3:40am
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Ha, yeah, my film failed. Completely. It was a great learning experience though.
PS. Ben, I sent you a PM...
Posted: Tue, 23rd Oct 2007, 1:59pm
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How was it to get in that contest. did you just have to sign up, then send your film or did you actualiy have to go somewhere to do all this. cause i think it'd be cool to go in one of them you know. I just need to know how these races are made(i know this one's over though)
Posted: Tue, 23rd Oct 2007, 2:04pm
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For this particular one you had to of used a Mac for all the computer editing and stuff I think. All they do is, at a certain time that is counted down too, they send an email to everyone who has signed up with a topic. You then have 24hrs to Shoot, Edit, Render and Upload the video. Hope that sums it all up.
Posted: Tue, 23rd Oct 2007, 6:43pm
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Videoace123 wrote:Nice movie Jabooza, and I'm sure everyones film was good, but Jaboozas was the only one that didnt make my computer go slow, so his was the only one I could watch. I really liked your movie, and there was great mystery behind it all. Nice work!
Thanks Videoace, but I think I should point out that it isn't just "Jabooza's movie," Darth Penguin did just as much as me with it and his brother did a lot too. I just make more posts about it then him and his brother doesn't post at all.
Avenged is also now in the cinema, it had a broken link all day yesterday but it's all good now, so if anyone wants to watch or comment on it they can in the cinema now.
Also, remember to vote, we really need as many as we can get and everyone of you can make a difference. We need YOUR help!!!
Posted: Thu, 25th Oct 2007, 2:30am
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Apparently the site is supposed to be working much better and faster now according to my latest e-mail from Apple.
Posted: Thu, 25th Oct 2007, 9:51pm
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Serpent wrote:Apparently the site is supposed to be working much better and faster now according to my latest e-mail from Apple.
Yeah I got that too. It also said that you need to fill in two things to vote so I guess it's gonna stay as complex as it is but it really isn't that hard to.
Hopefully we enough votes. I'm affraid that some movie that's worse than our's is gonna end up winning just because it got more votes. So be sure to vote everyone!
Posted: Fri, 26th Oct 2007, 9:06am
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Jabooza, haven't you asked people enough to vote? Heh they will vote if they want too.
Posted: Fri, 26th Oct 2007, 3:23pm
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szczepanski wrote:Jabooza, haven't you asked people enough to vote? Heh they will vote if they want too.
Heh, I guess so.
Well, voting ends on the 9th and winners are announced on the 20th. *crosses fingers*
Posted: Sat, 27th Oct 2007, 9:29am
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Make sure to vote on the other two movies too! Like...mine
Posted: Thu, 22nd Nov 2007, 2:20pm
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Well, the top 25 and public voting winners have been announced. We didn't even make the top 25, and unless you do make the top 25, they don't even tell you what place you did come in or how many votes you get. The movie we entered is in the FXhome cinema
and you can watch a better version of it that has grading and some editing fixes.