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Leopard Release Date Announced! (with poll!)

When will you be buying Leopard?

Already pre-ordered17%[ 4 ]
In the next 2 months42%[ 10 ]
In the next 6 months29%[ 7 ]
Longer than 6 months away13%[ 3 ]

Total Votes : 24

Posted: Tue, 16th Oct 2007, 9:52pm

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So now that we know that Leopard will be released on October 26th, when will you be buying it?

What features excite you the most?

Discuss.

EDIT: List of 300+ news features http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/300.html

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Posted: Tue, 16th Oct 2007, 10:04pm

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I already saw that it's release date was anounced, I never thought of posting it, maybe I coulda got a +1...oh well. I don't have any plans on buying it but it does look very, very awesome. If we somehow end up winning the Insomnia Film Festival maybe the MacBook Pros we win'll have Leopard on them.
I think the feture I'm the most excited about is spaces, it means even less cluter for Macs.....which already have less cluter than other computers! smile
Posted: Tue, 16th Oct 2007, 10:08pm

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I'm going to sound like a complete hypocrite and say:

WOOOOO!!! Sweet. I can't wait, and I hope it'll be the nail in the coffin for me to buy a Mac.
Posted: Tue, 16th Oct 2007, 10:25pm

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Fill - I thought you hated Mac and loved Vista.
Posted: Tue, 16th Oct 2007, 11:19pm

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Fill wrote:

I'm going to sound like a complete hypocrite and say:
You were warned. smile

Vista is fine. It's just not for me.
Posted: Tue, 16th Oct 2007, 11:23pm

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Can anybody tell me how long they lasted on Panther before there were too many must-have Tiger apps?
Posted: Tue, 16th Oct 2007, 11:53pm

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Fill wrote:

Fill wrote:

I'm going to sound like a complete hypocrite and say:
You were warned. smile

Vista is fine. It's just not for me.
Well, that's how it starts. I was converted to the Mac side of the force and soon your convertion will be complete too.
Posted: Wed, 17th Oct 2007, 12:00am

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Jabooza wrote:

Fill wrote:

Fill wrote:

I'm going to sound like a complete hypocrite and say:
You were warned. smile

Vista is fine. It's just not for me.
Well, that's how it starts. I was converted to the Mac side of the force and soon your convertion will be complete too.
For the record:

I refuse to ever, ever, ever, ever, join the extremely creepy Mac cult. It's a computer. Also, if it's possible I'd boot Vista externally with Boot Camp.

That's all. wink
Posted: Wed, 17th Oct 2007, 12:15am

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Fill wrote:

Jabooza wrote:

Fill wrote:

Fill wrote:

I'm going to sound like a complete hypocrite and say:
You were warned. smile

Vista is fine. It's just not for me.
Well, that's how it starts. I was converted to the Mac side of the force and soon your convertion will be complete too.
For the record:

I refuse to ever, ever, ever, ever, join the extremely creepy Mac cult. It's a computer. Also, if it's possible I'd boot Vista externally with Boot Camp.

That's all. wink
That's what you say now but soon you will be suduced by the Mac side of the force!



Posted: Wed, 17th Oct 2007, 12:56am

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Digerati Media wrote:

What features excite you the most?
I'll go with.

"Desktop Picture
Turn any photo you find on the web into your Desktop Picture with one click."

and

"Folder Sharing
Turn any folder on your Mac into a shared folder. "

Now I'm sold. smile
Posted: Wed, 17th Oct 2007, 3:31am

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mVPstar wrote:

Digerati Media wrote:

What features excite you the most?
I'll go with.

"Desktop Picture
Turn any photo you find on the web into your Desktop Picture with one click."

and

"Folder Sharing
Turn any folder on your Mac into a shared folder. "

Now I'm sold. smile
...you can do both of those on windows xp....
Posted: Wed, 17th Oct 2007, 4:06am

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ssj john wrote:

mVPstar wrote:

Digerati Media wrote:

What features excite you the most?
I'll go with.

"Desktop Picture
Turn any photo you find on the web into your Desktop Picture with one click."

and

"Folder Sharing
Turn any folder on your Mac into a shared folder. "

Now I'm sold. smile
...you can do both of those on windows xp....
...it's mVPstar.......he was kidding.....

And although I generally like the stuff Apple puts out, their hype over minor adjustments and updates that cost money like it's the second coming of Christ.......everytime: it keeps me off of Macs. Same is true here.
Posted: Wed, 17th Oct 2007, 4:20am

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ssj john wrote:

...you can do both of those on windows xp....
And now you can do them on Mac too! Don't let this turn into a PC vs. Mac debate. It probably will, but at least TRY.
Posted: Wed, 17th Oct 2007, 5:58am

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Aculag wrote:

It probably will, but at least TRY.
Haha, it sounds like you want people to.
Posted: Wed, 17th Oct 2007, 2:08pm

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Atom wrote:

And although I generally like the stuff Apple puts out, their hype over minor adjustments and updates that cost money like it's the second coming of Christ.......everytime: it keeps me off of Macs. Same is true here.
Well there are quite a few big things in Leopard, like Time Machine, Stacks, and Spaces.
Also, I love the way the new dock is gonna be reflective.
Posted: Wed, 17th Oct 2007, 2:24pm

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Jabooza wrote:

Well there are quite a few big things in Leopard, like Time Machine, Stacks, and Spaces.
You're calling those big things?
Posted: Wed, 17th Oct 2007, 2:24pm

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Aculag wrote:

It probably will, but at least TRY.
No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try.




Since this thread was going pretty starwarzy already...
Posted: Wed, 17th Oct 2007, 2:30pm

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Atom wrote:

Jabooza wrote:

Well there are quite a few big things in Leopard, like Time Machine, Stacks, and Spaces.
You're calling those big things?
Well, it's not like they need to put any bigger things than that, their OS is already neerly perfect as it is, unlike Windows that needs to pretty much redo the whole thing for every update.

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Posted: Wed, 17th Oct 2007, 2:58pm

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Jabooza wrote:

their OS is already neerly perfect as it is, unlike Windows that needs to pretty redo the whole thing for every update.
You seriously need to watch what you say. Those are some huge bounds you're stepping, both nowhere near the truth. To save further argument, however, I won't go in to how I think you're wrong about both points you made. Just telling you: watch it.
Posted: Wed, 17th Oct 2007, 3:10pm

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Atom wrote:

Jabooza wrote:

their OS is already neerly perfect as it is, unlike Windows that needs to pretty redo the whole thing for every update.
You seriously need to watch what you say. Those are some huge bounds you're stepping, both nowhere near the truth. To save further argument, however, I won't go in to how I think you're wrong about both points you made. Just telling you: watch it.
To save further argument, please don't post here again. Macs aren't for you, and that's fine. What you have to realize is, not everybody expects the same thing from their computer, and it just so happens that I prefer OS X over Windows. I could be just as strict with Vista as you're being with Leopard about its features, but I don't give a damn.
Posted: Wed, 17th Oct 2007, 3:36pm

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We've got 5 copies coming on release day and I must say I'm looking forward to it. I've used pre-release versions already and its looking like a great update to an already great OS. I'm sure it'll make me want to take one of the FXhome Macs home so that I can mess around on it. Maybe it'll even push me to get a Mac at home again...

I hope its not another Vista Ultimate 64-bit experience (this is the first fully 64-bit version of Mac OS X although I'm sure it'll be fine) which is honestly the very worst OS I've ever used when it comes to compatibility and stability.

I've now got Vista Ultimate 32-bit installed at home and its running like a dream (if a little slower than XP when it comes to games). Note to the world: NEVER BUY/INSTALL VISTA ULTIMATE 64-BIT!

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Posted: Wed, 17th Oct 2007, 3:37pm

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You're right Pooky, if we keep it up pretty soon this thread'll be deleted and then no one will be able to discuss Leopard on here anymore.
Posted: Wed, 17th Oct 2007, 11:55pm

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I use a mac now, so I'm a little more interested in the new updates. Thats what this is though, in my opinion. Its not really a new OS its just a little update, which is why it bugs me that they charge you the same price as a a completely new OS. But there are a lot of new things that come with leopard. Time Machine, spaces, and stacks to name the most popular. In fact, you can look at all 300 new updates. But the thing is alot of them just have to do with programs like photo booth, or Ichat which just add a bit more functionality to the program. I don't really consider those features to be apart of the OS.

So my opinion, don't charge so much apple! You're not releasing an entire new OS so I shouldn't have to pay for one.
Posted: Thu, 18th Oct 2007, 12:58am

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If time machine manages to NOT be buggier then hell and actually do what It claims to, I'll be reasonably impressed.


But I still don't like the "Feel" of Macs.
Posted: Thu, 18th Oct 2007, 1:08am

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I don't like the fact that half-ish of the features are something that has either already been on XP for years, or already been on Linux for a decade.

And wait, what, I'm criticizing it?!?!? And offering a dissenting opinion? Blasphemy! biggrin

Well, yes, that's generally how I feel about the 'new' OS that costs a considerable large amount of money. I don't think it's worth it for minor- or what should've been a downloadable update a la SP2- changes to parts of the functionality of programs.

I mean, things like ClearType, Alt-Tab Switch, Multidesk are all similar in nature of change to the features for Leopard, but they're freely downloadable. I know MS is usually the one called for 'money-mongering', but it seems like Apple is doing more and more of it lately as MS is doing less of it.

And wait, I don't have something nice to say? So should I not say it? No, because that's not really how discussion works. I'm not looking for debate. I'm just not impressed.

The OS I'm a fan of. But in many cases of the changes for Leopard, functionality that, in my opinion at least, should have already been put in place should not cost money. I don't think that's honorable to a consumer, really.

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Posted: Thu, 18th Oct 2007, 1:12am

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I don't really think that you can compare SP 2 to Leopard though....well at least only to a certain degree. With out turning this into Mac/PC debate SP 2 was really updates that fixed alot of bugs, and added some new features. Leopard seems to be a bit more than just fixes... Its adding features and upgrading old ones.
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Who cares where your allegiances lay. I always love it when operating systems upgrade, it feels like the future. There really is no point comparing the two big operating systems, as the feature-sets each provide are very different. One will be more suited than the other to your own needs though surely we are broad minded enough to realise that everyone has different demands of a home computer.

I'll be upgrading to Vista at the end of the month, and will bring the mac up to Leopard all going well. Things could be interesting. smile

-Hybrid.
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Well in the fashion of changes from Leopard, SP2 fixed some things. But then we also have the free PowerToys and several online updates available for different things (Alt-Tab Switch and Multidesk (not the actual name, but the exact same thing as 'Spaces', which Linux had waaaay back in the day) which is similar to what Apple's doing. And while it's obvious that Leopard has a slight bit more to offer than these compiled add-ons, it should be duly noted that this likely doesn't qualify a whole new OS release.

EDIT:

And Hybrid, it's no so much where my allegiance lies as to what makes me happy as a consumer. Releasing Leopard like this turns me off from buying a Mac (whose GUI I am very, very fond of; save a lot of oversimplification or intricate complexity on the wrong things) because it's the same old issue I've always had: money. It costs too damn much for what you get. I don't have that kind of money. Updates are great, but make them accessible to a larger audience, not the minority of geeky middle-aged white American men with large wallets.

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Posted: Thu, 18th Oct 2007, 1:27am

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Hybrid-I agree, but still....Do I really need to pay for a whole new OS when I'm not really getting a whole new OS. Its not the things that OS X has now that other OS's had a long time ago, that bug me. If your a mac user and have been for a long time, then yes those things would be exciting news to you. But I just don't think the updates they have for leopard are worth the $130 that they are charging for it...Taking that into account I also don't think that they should dish it out for free, like SP 2. Because like I said before, there is more intended then just fixes.

I'd say around $50- $70. Maybe even $80, but getting any higher than that is really pushin' it IMO
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ssjohn, I agree with that wholeheartedly. Right on the money.

Literally.
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Rating: +1

*Edited after seeing the two new posts*

If people decide that the new features and system are worth the money they can buy it. If not, then they can decide not to. It's pretty simple really. The prices will drop in time and we've all come to know that technology when first unveiled is always, always overpriced.

Also worthy of note is that whether a feature already exists on another system is irrelevant. It doesn't affect a pc user if osx has something, so why would it the other way round? The features are new to osx, that's all that matters.

If I am not mistaken, new features are a small part of each osx upgrade as they are often recoded from a nearly ground up level so as to introduce numerous and sometimes significant speed benefits. Then again, for a brief while I was convinced that unicorns existed so I am prepared for being told that I dreamt this up.

I didn't intend to play the devil's advocate here, as I am quite a staunch Xp user over the last few years. Though I do value the mac platform, perhaps I am simply nearing the point where I am white and middle aged, still need to work on the wallet though.

-Hybrid.

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I see what you guys are saying and I would agree if it wasn't for Vista's price. The Vista Ultimate UPGRADE is twice the price of the full version of Leopard. This means that, based on their prices, you should be getting at the very least twice as many features in Vista than in Leopard.

The thing is, these aren't new OSes (even though Apple kind of advertises it like they are... there's marketing for ya), they're just UPDATES to the current OS (thus, 10.5), and so the features aren't going to totally redo the OS, they're just going to fix, update, and add stuff. And the price reflects that.
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Hybrid-Halo wrote:

In your opinion.

If people decide that the new features and system are worth the money they can buy it. If not, then they can decide not to. It's pretty simple really.
Yes, in my opinion which is an opinion I'm free to express whether it makes a difference or not. That is also exactly why I'm not buying Leopard until I have too.

Also worthy of note is that whether a feature already exists on another system is irrelevant. It doesn't affect a pc user if osx has something, so why would it the other way round? The features are new to osx, that's all that matters.

-Hybrid.
I just said this...If your a mac user, than yes any new feature that you find useful (that may have been in another OS or not) should excite you, being in other OS's before OS X shouldn't really matter since you don't use those OS's....The only time that this would matter is when you are choosing which OS you want to use. Then you compare what features each has...

Pooky- I think Vista is a bit more of an upgrade from XP than leopard is from Tiger. That said, yes, vista Ultimate may be over priced( also why I don't have Ultimate) But I think Microsoft can justify that price a little better than apple can.
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I can't help but feel we are polluting a thread created to discuss Leopard's features rather than become freelance financial and business advisor-types who discuss whether something is priced in a tasty manner when compared with it's competition. smile

The fundamental aspects of computer-use which each system cater towards haven't changed even with the Vista release and I can't foresee them changing significantly post-Leopard. With this in mind, how heavily do either really weigh into deciding which a new customer would go for?

I am not so convinced that they do at all. In which scenario extras can be considered exactly that, a luxury item. So the more... the better. The future etc etc, next up : Hover cars.

Just another note : I spent more money on a single book for University than it would cost me to buy Leopard. With that in mind, although I definitely don't think Leopard to be cheap. It's hardly extortionate in my opinion.

-Hybrid.
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it is in mine....Oh and we are discussing the features of leopard, and how they don't justify the cost.
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Economically, I hate Apple, and that's why I think Leopard in general- most especially the hyped announce of the new features (what this thread pertains to)- is a farce.

It may be a fact of life that new technology is expensive, but in this case it's nothing that "new". New features abound, it does little to change the OS too much in general, and to put Pooky's ideas into perspective: yes, the upgrade cost:new OS ratio is veeeeeery skewed on the Mac side of things. Vista is a completely new OS from XP, anyone can see that (not trying to debate this, really) but the changes to Leopard are more in the realm of updates, fixes, or new builds, and not in that of a pricey new operating system.

The issue is: it should be expensive, sometimes. But when your primary competition doesn't follow suit, you can't either. The problem with Apple is that they've already so creatively carved their ever-growing niche from iPod fame that uninformed people will just throw money at the technology. And as someone who is all for making technology available to the masses, I find that really sad. Since the glossy-fresh-expensive era of OSX's release, myself or my family has not had money in the budget for a Mac. It's not because we're poor, just, statistically, it's not the right amount of bang for the buck.

In short, I think the Leopard feature releases are sad because they're yet another reminder of some of the closeted bad business I see from Apple from time to time. And it's a real shame, considering the product they're trying to oversell is actually a good one.

Bah, but I'm done with my rant on economics.
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Oh, good.
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Regardless of my opinions on Mac or PC, I do think Leopard is a particularly silly name.
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Frosty G wrote:

Regardless of my opinions on Mac or PC, I do think Leopard is a particularly silly name.
I don't see how it's any sillier than Cheetah, Puma, Jaguar, Panther, or Tiger... Am I missing some innuendo?
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I don't see how it's any more silly than Vista, and XP isn't even a name.

I agree with Hybrid about the topic. It's made to discuss the features and you're going on about why not to buy it. Bla bla bla they are my opinions bla bla bla, keep them, they're off topic..... in my opinion (swish).

I love the look of the OS and don't consider the price hefty at all. Again, the fact that Americans are crying about paying out on something we brits have to pay more for winds me up just as the PS3 and all that.

Roll on the 26th.
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What your not realizing is...we are talking about leopard and its features....and our opinion's on its features....and sorry, but some of the opinions about leopards features lead us to not wanting to buy leopard. So therefore, I think we've stayed pretty much on topic. Sorry that not all of us praise leopard. Its a good OS, I'm sure, but I just don't think it lives up to apples hype...

Oh BTW do you know what a Vista is? And have you ever seen windows vista!? it is very very pretty smile So I think the name applies...But a point you do have on XP....WTF does that mean?

We americans are crying?
Be careful of what you are saying NuttyBanana. The words you use can be interpreted so many different ways its ridiculous.
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Frosty G wrote:

Regardless of my opinions on Mac or PC, I do think Leopard is a particularly silly name.
So is Apple, why would someone name a computer after a fruit? So is Windows, why would someone name a computer after a window? If you think about it, there are a lot of silly names out there.
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NuttyBanana wrote:

Americans are crying about paying out on something we brits have to pay more
Well, no duh. It's an imported good made by an American business that retails first and foremost to America. No different than us paying more than Europeans for European cars.

That's economics 101. Monopolize on what you can.
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Do they start including Leopard in new Macs right after it comes out?
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I think they wait for a new wave of Macs to come out (like new iMacs, for example), then they release it freely on all newly-sold devices (new G5s, etc). Isn't that what they've done in the past?
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Jabooza wrote:

Do they start including Leopard in new Macs right after it comes out?
To my knowledge that's what has happened in the past.
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Jabooza wrote:

Do they start including Leopard in new Macs right after it comes out?
I think it will ship with new macs when it ships on the 26th, but if you've bought a new mac after the 1st you can upgrade to Leopard for 10$
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tyguy2021 wrote:

if you've bought a new mac after the 1st you can upgrade to Leopard for 10$
10$!?! That sounds expensive!!!!

I wonder if the Macs from the Insomnia Film Festival will have it...
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You already said that... Don't count our macbooks before they hatch biggrin
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ssj john wrote:

And have you ever seen windows vista!? it is very very pretty smile
We we're all entitled to our own opinions i guess....


ssj john wrote:

Be careful of what you are saying NuttyBanana. The words you use can be interpreted so many different ways its ridiculous.
After your standing for opinions, you can scrap that threat. Interpret it as you will.


Atom wrote:

Well, no duh.
Oh yey I'm dumb all of a sudden.

Fun times.
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You already said that... Don't count our macbooks before they hatch biggrin
You ruin all the fun. disgust
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NuttyBanana wrote:

ssj john wrote:

And have you ever seen windows vista!? it is very very pretty smile
We we're all entitled to our own opinions i guess....


ssj john wrote:

Be careful of what you are saying NuttyBanana. The words you use can be interpreted so many different ways its ridiculous.
After your standing for opinions, you can scrap that threat. Interpret it as you will.
....That wasn't a threat...More like advice...But I still don't understand what you're trying to say with that...

Whether you think Vista is visually pleasing or not, it was intended to be. So the name applies a lot better than leopard, das' all I'm sayin'. But if you really want to get into ridiculous names, whats up with linux? Where the freak did that name come from? Really I want to know.
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Can I be frank? If you don't like the price, the way it looks, or the name, piss off.

I'm excited, and I don't care if you are too or not. I just want to share my positive feelings about the system. If the price was reasonable for those who are not pleased with it, you'd find something else to pick at.

/rant.

Enjoy Leopard if you buy it. If you want to talk about Vista, post it in the Vista topic from January.
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Fill wrote:

Can I be frank? If you don't like the price, the way it looks, or the name, piss off.

I'm excited, and I don't care if you are too or not.
So? The thread serves absolutely no point if there aren't different thoughts on something. And it's not just hate, there's also discussion and justification that has (basically so far) stayed calm and interesting.
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Atom wrote:

Fill wrote:

Can I be frank? If you don't like the price, the way it looks, or the name, piss off.

I'm excited, and I don't care if you are too or not.
So? The thread serves absolutely no point if there aren't different thoughts on something. And it's not just hate, there's also discussion and justification that has (basically so far) stayed calm and interesting.
Until he wrote that last response... Fill that post shows me how incredibly close minded you are. It's a shame really.

Some of the people on FXhome are so anti-debate. It seems like we can never even finish a debate because people get mad that were debating and then we start arguing about the debate and then the topic gets locked or deleted....(I HATE when topics get deleted...locked is ok though)
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It seems everytime anyone mentions Apple/Vista people start debating. I'm sick of seeing debates constantly arising over this topic. I just want for once people to stop being so cynical and saying things like, "The name is silly." I can't change anyone's opinions, but if you hate Apple like Ben does, then this topic serves no purpose for you.

I'm closed minded? I'm not closed minded, I'm just irritated by, yes, you said it debate. Also, I'm not going to debate about debate.

I already posted how I was excited, and my other two cents, so there's nothing else for me to say.

EDIT: ssj john, I've PMed you.

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You can't blame ben though, he has a right to oppose your opinion. I'm sorry but thats life, you can't expect those who disagree with you to not say anything. If you don't like debate than stay out of it. Debate is not a bad thing, arguing is. It turns into an argument when you start saying things like "piss off" "I'm right your wrong and I don't want to hear what you have to say"
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Fill wrote:

I can't change anyone's opinions, but if you hate Apple like Ben does, then this topic serves no purpose for you.

I wrote:

Economically, I hate Apple
It's only about price, not general 'hate' of a company for no reason.
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Ah, I completely misunderstood this topic. I was sort of grazing over it, and I must have caught the bad parts of it.

Apologies.
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Rating: +3

I'm going to censor this quote a little for the forum:

Maddox wrote:

Any time you say something sucks around someone who disagrees, they try to validate their taste in sucky music/movies/clothing by reminding you that you still only speak for yourself, as if their opinions are in jeopardy of being monopolized by your own. Everyone already knows it's my opinion by virtue of the fact that I said it, no need to restate the obvious you dopey twat.
bold = censored

I am not saying anyone is an example of complaining about this at all, because no one did that. Some people just hate thread hijacking, and I agree (see below). I just thought I'd quote that as a bit of insight on "fanboyism" and I hope no one falls to that mindset. I have been talking with Fill for ages and I think you misinterpretted his post when you said he was close minded.

I don't think this topic is a good example of a useless debate though. However I am sick of repeated debates here and elsewhere (other forums, offline, etc.) I just find them boring and I see no reason why people thread/conversation hijack to express their opinion on why they hate the thing that's being discussed. Quite frankly, no one cares. Go ahead and do it, but like you, I have the right to indirectly call you a moron and recommend that you stay out of this thread because no one wants you here. But again, this thread doesn't show that much at all.

Anyways: Leopard. I will probably buy it cheap somewhere months after released when I find that all my favorite freeware and other software is no longer compatible with Tiger. I hate when that happens, but it does, every time. I agree that the price is too high. $75 should be the price. Because when you buy Leopard, it IS an upgrade. You don't build Macs, you buy them with an OS on it. The main profit should be from the computers people buy with Leopard pre-installed, because those are the people who are buying just the software, not the upgrade. It's not a new OS, it shouldn't be that high. It wouldn't piss me off at all if I could still use Tiger, but it's happened to me with Jaguar: it becomes obsolete in the software development world and you can't get apps that make using my computer incredibly convenient. Ah well, $100 isn't that much. I suppose I can just sell a few things I don't need.

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I generally agree, Serpent. And thread hijacking is something I've tried to distance myself from recently. Although fanboying an entire thread is no better either.

Still, I can see how it is irritating and how something like this thread might add to that for someone who is already annoyed. But I see nothing wrong with the debate so far. It wasn't opened simply for people to circularly praise it, but rather, critique/offer their thoughts on it.

That aside, nothing in Leopard interests me the way Tiger did at first. If Apple put a little more time into a genuinely unique new tool for their OSX update, it might look worth it to me. (And like I've said, Tiger's really the only one that I thought *might* be worth it.)

Oh, and you're comments on Apple and the price: spot-on.
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Digerati Media wrote:

So now that we know that Leopard will be released on October 26th, when will you be buying it?

What features excite you the most?

Discuss.

EDIT: List of 300+ news features http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/300.html
So "when will you be buying it" - no invitation for windows users to join in there.

"What features excite you the most" - again, if you're not buying it or use mac, why are you butting in.

I think people got lost somewhere along the lines. The topic wasn't opened to openly discuss the OS but for mac users who plan on buying it to discuss what they're looking forward toand the features they look forward to using. People downing the OS are simply off topic and shouldn't have bothered. Windows was never invited by the topic starter.
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NuttyBanana, I think you're exactly right. I don't think everytime a topic is started (such as this one) for people to discuss and/or get excited about something other people who don't like the thing should come in and start a debate about it. Although I'm sure someone will disagree with my post and argue about it and then we'll just be debating about debating.
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So "when will you be buying it" - no invitation for windows users to join in there.
This is getting ridiculous, mate.

No one is hating on you, I see no reason to perpetuate this. That top comment says it all. You don't just exclude people, that's not how a community works.
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So uh... I saw a feature I liked in Leopard, where you can record user actions (like pushing a button and all) and re-play them. biggrin
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NuttyBanana wrote:

People downing the OS are simply off topic and shouldn't have bothered. Windows was never invited by the topic starter.
Good, looks like you've got the situation covered, Mod Jr. Good thing you're not hypocritical...

wink

jk, jk
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NuttyBanana wrote:

Digerati Media wrote:

So now that we know that Leopard will be released on October 26th, when will you be buying it?

What features excite you the most?

Discuss.

EDIT: List of 300+ news features http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/300.html
So "when will you be buying it" - no invitation for windows users to join in there.

"What features excite you the most" - again, if you're not buying it or use mac, why are you butting in.

I think people got lost somewhere along the lines. The topic wasn't opened to openly discuss the OS but for mac users who plan on buying it to discuss what they're looking forward toand the features they look forward to using. People downing the OS are simply off topic and shouldn't have bothered. Windows was never invited by the topic starter.
That is exactly what I intended the topic to be. There was no invitation for Windows users to vote because they would say "NEVER!". However, if someone was on Windows and they are planning on moving to Mac, they could choose one of the poll options.
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Atom wrote:

NuttyBanana wrote:

So "when will you be buying it" - no invitation for windows users to join in there.
This is getting ridiculous, mate.

No one is hating on you, I see no reason to perpetuate this. That top comment says it all. You don't just exclude people, that's not how a community works.
Sorry man, not trying to be an arsehole or anything but people just went off topic. We're supposed to talk about it's features, not comparing them, unless to previous versions I guess.

It bugs me to see this whole company love/hate thing. OSX gives me much more for what I do than windows hence why I use it and the mac machines.

Anyways, me and my late postings I always get possessed by demons and tend to come on strong, if I bothered anyone then I do apologise.
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Well, it has just been released. Have fun kiddies!
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My copy arrived this morning, hehe. It looks like a Pink Floyd CD Case.

-Hybrid.
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That's funny, their website still says there's 6 hours to go.
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A Pickle wrote:

So uh... I saw a feature I liked in Leopard, where you can record user actions (like pushing a button and all) and re-play them. biggrin
That's cool - it was part of the OS for Windows 3.1 (called 'Recorder.exe' if anyone's got a VM with a nostalgic install of Win 3.1) but vanished with Win '95 - cool and innovatiove nontheless wink
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Hybrid-Halo wrote:

My copy arrived this morning, hehe. It looks like a Pink Floyd CD Case.

-Hybrid.
Mine also came this morning. I'm super excited to install it.
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Well, how does everyone who got it like it?
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I messed with it Saturday, and I was very impressed. I really love how the OS looks. It's very pretty. Stacks were awesome too. I downloaded a stock image, it went into the download stack, so all I had to do was open the stack, quickly find the file and drag it onto the Photoshop icon. That sold me for stacks. Spaces were really awesome too. I loaded Final Cut Pro, and Motion, and easily switched through them. Say what you want about iChat backgrounds, but they're flippn' cool! I made a dark tunnel in Photoshop, and keyed myself out of the background into the tunnel. Awesome stuff. I liked Tiger, but it wasn't nearly as appealing to me as Leopard.
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Yeah, stacks seems pretty cool, it looks like they'll make your desktop a lot cleaner. I don't like how downloads and stuff clutter the desktop right now.
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I just used Leopard at Best Buy today (our Best Buy just got a Mac store put into it) and it was pretty cool. One thing that I didn't like though is that they took away the little arrows that appear on the dock under open programs, so now you don't know what's open and what isn't.
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No they just replaced them with blue orbs.
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Yeah, but the orbs are harder too see. I hope the clear dock application enhancer still works to fix the weird dock. I've never liked having a background to my dock. I also prefer the little arrows.
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I never even noticed any blue orbs.
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Well they're quite clear to me... You can change them back to the arrows with some modding though.
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I just looked at some screenshots and saw them, I dunno why I didn't notice them on the real thing. They do kinda look better than the black arrows also.
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I installed Leopard on Friday and I have to say that everything went smoothly. Also the new features like Stacks, Quick Look and Time Machine are brilliant and work as they should.

Thumbs up for Apple
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The only thing I didn't like about spaces was that you have no clue what's in the other space so it looks like you have nothing open when you really have lots of stuff open but I guess you wouldn't have thar problem if you only ran it when you have to and not just for doing normal stuff.
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I switch spaces by clicking the app icon in the dock.
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Yeah, you can also press F8 to do it.
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No, no, I mean, if I have Safari open in another space, clicking the Safari icon automatically switches me to that space.
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Oh, OK.
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I've been away from FXhome for the last few months and haven't been able to check this thread..

I have been checking up on leopard though. It's pretty sweet. I plan on buying a Macbook in the next month with leapord (as well as Final Cut) preinstalled. Oh, just a note to anyone that's intrested. Apple updated their Macbook with a better graphics card, the Santa Rosa chipset, support up to 4GBs of memory, as well as a few other things. So it can now run leapord smoothly.
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Thrawn - When did they do the update on MacBooks? I just bought one and don't know if its got the graphics card or not.
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Around 4 days ago. If you got the old version, you might still be able to return it for a new one..
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I tried it in the Apple store the other day. By far the coolest, most usefull, productivity enhancing, thing is Quick Look. Just press space bar on any file while browsing in the awesome new finder, and a preview of the file opens. No need to open the application . Very cool. Opens PDF, Office Documents, iWork Documents, Quicktime Movies, etc.

I'll probably get Leapord in a month or two.
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Thrawn - on Apple's website it says MacBooks come with an "Intel GMA X3100 graphics processor". It doesn't say anything about a Santa Rosa chipset (it actually doesn't even say chipset anywhere at all but I'm assuming its the same thing). Is the GMA and the Santa Rosa the same thing? The one I have is the GMA 950.
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Here is the link to the story...[url] http://www.macrumors.com/2007/11/01/apple-updates-macbooks-to-santa-rosa-gma-x3100/
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Santa Rosa and the Intel GMA X3100 are not the same thing. Santa Rosa is the chipset and makes the computer run faster and better while the GMA X3100 is a far superior graphics chip then the GMA 950. The GMA 950 could barely run any games and that is not a problem with the GMA X3100. Those are just two of the upgrades. My sudgestion is to contact the apple store and see if you can get a new one because you bought your macbook so close to the new ones coming out.
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Well, the problem with getting a new one is that we've already got stuff on the one we've got.
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You can always grab an External Hard Drive, or switch hard drives with the new one, but heck that's only if you want to go through that much trouble. It would probably just be easier to stick with your current laptop.
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Well, I don't think it would be that much of a dig deal to get a new one. There's a new Mac store around here so maybe I'll ask about it there. Maybe we'd be able to connect the new Mac and the one we have now to firewire and transfer the files or something.
Also, we bought the Mac a few months ago (I think August) so I dunno if that's too long ago to return it and get a new one.
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Blue screen of death anyone?
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ssj john wrote:

Blue screen of death anyone?
Yep, the icon when a Windows computer is connected wirelessly is a CRT monitor with the BSOD biggrin




It was in the preview version of Leopard, but most people didn't think that it would be in the final release.
Posted: Wed, 7th Nov 2007, 7:38am

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ssj john

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hahaha thats awesome! but a bit rediculous. Pretty soon mac os x will have the sole purpose of exclaiming that windows is inferior to it. Now if MS would just push back!