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Posted: Sat, 3rd Nov 2007, 5:46pm

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So, today I'm 17, which feels really great. I'm still awaiting my unknown present that is supposed to blow my mind.

I'm definitely going to see American Gangster without my parent's consent now. Not that my parents wouldn't let me, I just want to express my freedom. smile
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Fill wrote:

So, today I'm 17, which feels really great. I'm still awaiting my unknown present that is supposed to blow my mind.

I'm definitely going to see American Gangster without my parent's consent now. Not that my parents wouldn't let me, I just want to express my freedom. smile
Perfect first R-rated movie, too. Mine was BORAT.
Posted: Sat, 3rd Nov 2007, 8:04pm

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Happy Birthday! My first R-Rated non-consent film was Snakes on a Plane, a month before my birthday. Midnight showing and the guy let us in because we bought tickets online and I guess he felt like 1 month wasn't a huge deal. 300 was first after birthday. I hate the MPAA and the NATO...
Posted: Sat, 3rd Nov 2007, 8:44pm

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Forget what my first legal R-rated movie was... I know that 300 was just 3 months after my 17th bday, and I can't remember seeing anything else before that.
Posted: Sun, 4th Nov 2007, 12:42am

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So, I got the birthday present, and it did blow my mind. A nice, amazing, 22" LCD. I now have a dual display, and am very satisfied with it.

I plan to get Adobe Production CS3 Premium Suite, and when that time comes, I'll take full advantage of dual screens. This birthday rocked.
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Cool, congratulations!

Hmm, the highest age at cinemas here in Sweden is 15, but hardly anyone working at the cinemas care, so if you were lucky you could go see 15-rated movies when you were 13 without parents. Although even if you had your parents with you here, the limit it still 15 years for all 15-rated films razz
Posted: Sun, 4th Nov 2007, 3:08am

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Are they really tough on underage movie watching in the states then? I've never had any trouble (or known anyone that's had trouble) getting into pretty much any movie here. Mind you we used to go out drinking in really seedy dives since we were about 16 so I'd have been pretty surprised if we'd been prevented from seeing a film we were a year or two too young for.
The big birthday in the UK tends is 18 as you can drink, smoke, buy fireworks, buy and appear in pornography, vote, watch "18" certified movies and tell everyone "I'm an adult now and I'll do as I damn well please". 17's a bit crap because all you can do is get a driving licence.
Posted: Sun, 4th Nov 2007, 3:46am

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Driving license is pretty big... 16 to 18, and then 21 are the big ones here I suppose. 16-year-olds can drive, 17-year-olds usually get more driving freedom and can see R rated films, and then 18-year-olds can do anything but drink (which is ridiculous...) and rent cars.

If you really want to sneak into an R film, you can. It depends on the theater though. I don't know about the UK, but in the US the rating system isn't actually the law. So if you go to an indie theater you can basically watch anything you want (there is some stuff that you can't watch though, not sure the exact rules). If you go to a chain, they tend to crack down on it if you don't have a parent with you. Employees get in trouble if they get caught letting someone in underage. It depends on the person who's ripping tickets, the theater, and the location. It also seems to be more strict on opening weekend or when it's busy. If you buy your ticket on the internet, the ticket booth guy is the only thing between you and your seat.
Posted: Sun, 4th Nov 2007, 4:09am

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Serpent wrote:

and then 18-year-olds can do anything but drink (which is ridiculous...) and rent cars.
Yes, the 21 cap on drinking is very dumb. Honestly, who does the government actually think they are stopping? I challenge anyone to find a single person under the age of 21 in the US who has not had a drink (ok, you might find 2 or 3). If anything, it spurs on more drinking, whereas if it was legal it'd be no big deal, and teens wouldn't be as reckless as they are with the law in place.
Posted: Sun, 4th Nov 2007, 11:33am

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I've always found the drinking age in America to be a bit odd; I know that in the UK it's 18 because the assumption is that if you're old enough to vote then you're old enough to drink and all the rest of it (strange though that you can't be sent to an adult prison until you're 21). Being able to drink legally doesn't always mean that you take a more sensible approach to it (in a lot of cases it means the opposite) but I know that for me it became less of a novelty and because I'm able to go down the pub or buy drinks whenever I like there's less of a feeling that I have to get completely smashed in case I don't get served next time or get kicked out before the night's over. Obviously there are other reasons to get completely smashed but that's another issue. Don't suppose any of you know why the drinking age is so high in the US do you? I'm just curious because it seems so high compared to a hell of a lot of places.
Posted: Sun, 4th Nov 2007, 12:20pm

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Whoa all those movies you guys named are only rated MA 15+ here which sometimes they even let 12 yr olds in for.. The only R-rated popular films here are like Hostel, Saw or Hills Have eyes, or Porno's in Specific cinemas! haha.

Spewing for the teenagers in the States! smile
Posted: Sun, 4th Nov 2007, 12:54pm

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Are they really tough on underage movie watching in the states then? I've never had any trouble (or known anyone that's had trouble) getting into pretty much any movie h
At my theater they are. I went on friday night with some freinds to go see the Comebacks (Sold out though and instead, the girls in our group thought it would be cute to see the Bee Movie. What a wiast of my time.) and some people bought tickets to see a pg-13 rated movie and walked over to the Saw 4 theather and almost got kicked out.
Posted: Sun, 4th Nov 2007, 3:50pm

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Evman wrote:

Serpent wrote:

and then 18-year-olds can do anything but drink (which is ridiculous...) and rent cars.
Yes, the 21 cap on drinking is very dumb. Honestly, who does the government actually think they are stopping? I challenge anyone to find a single person under the age of 21 in the US who has not had a drink (ok, you might find 2 or 3).
Yes, it's true. People who will drink will do it regardless of age. But the 21 limit is stopping a good-sized group of people, and it's not stupid at all in my opinion. I live in the state with possibly the strictest driving and drinking regulations because history has made Texas the worst drunk driving state in the U.S.

Does the 21 age bother me? Not at all. 18 may be legal, but I know for sure I'm not really going to be an adult in a month. Come on. I like knowing, even if people do break the law, that at least teenagers aren't supposed to be drinking.

21 seems like an appropriate and adult age, as alcohol certainly requires adult choices as to how much and when to consume. People can make fun of Americans for having such odd and stringent regulations and restrictions on things like this and movie ratings, but I never understand why. Are you making fun of us............because we're trying to better protect our citizens? Go ahead, then. It's always kind of offensive to hear people attack these things. Personally, I think our rating system is spot-on and well-enforced when and where it needs to be. You can't get into an R-rated movie anywhere in Dallas if you're under 17 unless a parent is with you. And you know what? It was probably better that my dad went with me to The Matrix Reloaded and Kill Bill, and I didn't care. I hate having 13-year-olds in the theater when I see Jackass Number Two. It's just ridiculous. They're too young. They don't understand a lot of things and it's dumb for them to try and look cool by being there. Sure, there may only be a 4 year difference, but it makes all the difference. I've surely learned that myself.

So, yeah. Endo-rant.
Posted: Sun, 4th Nov 2007, 4:09pm

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Atom wrote:

Evman wrote:

Serpent wrote:

and then 18-year-olds can do anything but drink (which is ridiculous...) and rent cars.
Yes, the 21 cap on drinking is very dumb. Honestly, who does the government actually think they are stopping? I challenge anyone to find a single person under the age of 21 in the US who has not had a drink (ok, you might find 2 or 3).
Yes, it's true. People who will drink will do it regardless of age. But the 21 limit is stopping a good-sized group of people, and it's not stupid at all in my opinion. I live in the state with possibly the strictest driving and drinking regulations because history has made Texas the worst drunk driving state in the U.S.

Does the 21 age bother me? Not at all. 18 may be legal, but I know for sure I'm not really going to be an adult in a month. Come on. I like knowing, even if people do break the law, that at least teenagers aren't supposed to be drinking.

21 seems like an appropriate and adult age, as alcohol certainly requires adult choices as to how much and when to consume. People can make fun of Americans for having such odd and stringent regulations and restrictions on things like this and movie ratings, but I never understand why. Are you making fun of us............because we're trying to better protect our citizens? Go ahead, then. It's always kind of offensive to hear people attack these things. Personally, I think our rating system is spot-on and well-enforced when and where it needs to be. You can't get into an R-rated movie anywhere in Dallas if you're under 17 unless a parent is with you. And you know what? It was probably better that my dad went with me to The Matrix Reloaded and Kill Bill, and I didn't care. I hate having 13-year-olds in the theater when I see Jackass Number Two. It's just ridiculous. They're too young. They don't understand a lot of things and it's dumb for them to try and look cool by being there. Sure, there may only be a 4 year difference, but it makes all the difference. I've surely learned that myself.

So, yeah. Endo-rant.
Eh? Who's making fun of American laws and regulations? Almost everyone discussing it is American.
Posted: Sun, 4th Nov 2007, 4:37pm

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Rawree wrote:

Eh? Who's making fun of American laws and regulations? Almost everyone discussing it is American.
Er, sorry. I was speaking generally, as either out of intrigue or disgust the rating system and such is always talked-at negatively. I didn't mean solely from non-Americans. And you're right, but Evman and Serpent don't count because they hate freedom. smile
Posted: Sun, 4th Nov 2007, 4:38pm

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Atom wrote:


21 seems like an appropriate and adult age, as alcohol certainly requires adult choices as to how much and when to consume. People can make fun of Americans for having such odd and stringent regulations and restrictions on things like this and movie ratings, but I never understand why. Are you making fun of us............because we're trying to better protect our citizens?
Yeah I really don't see any anti-American sentiment here, although you think everything is anti-American smile

All I know is that I know several people who get completely wasted at every opportunity, and I can't help but wonder if they would if drinking at that age was legal. The novelty of it wears off really fast once it's "okay".

Not as many adults get into drinking related accidents as teenagers do. And you can say that's because of maturity issues, but I'd be willing to bet a fair amount its in large part due to the fact that adult's don't go as crazy or drink as much because it's just not as exciting when it's legal.



EDIT: And I know you were probably joking, but the whole "I hate Freedom thing" really bothers me, so please don't assume that any more.
Posted: Sun, 4th Nov 2007, 4:57pm

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Evman wrote:

EDIT: And I know you were probably joking, but the whole "I hate Freedom thing" really bothers me, so please don't assume that any more.
So it's no longer an assumption, now? It's fact? smile

Kidding, kidding.
Posted: Sun, 4th Nov 2007, 5:05pm

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Er, Evman, I don't drink... Because drunk people frankly piss me off. I hate them.

Another reason why I don't drive. I'd be the guy that drives all the puking wild retards home every Friday night. Not happening.

Yes, the cap of 21 in the US is pretty silly, and I think it should be put down to 18. Less people would make such a huge deal out of alchohol.

Anyway, I'm happy with my birthday, and thanks for saturating my bday thread with a discussion on alcohol. smile
Posted: Sun, 4th Nov 2007, 5:26pm

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On sort of a drinking note, here....

I had a huge Haunted House/Halloween extravaganza/party thing at my house on Halloween, and everyone in it had an absolute blast. Since this was our last year to do it, we got more people from the school to come, instead of (sadly) our normal clique of white, mostly Jewish males, haha.

Annnnywho, the other party that was going on, which the rest of the senior class from my school was at, was uneventful. The people hosting it were people I've known my whole life, and still, I can say their party sucked. A bunch of people sitting in some small rooms, waiting to see if anyone with a fake ID can buy them some booze.

They simply couldn't have fun without alcohol. They're that desensitized to, well, 'fun'.

So once my haunted house was shut down, my whole crew (along with a few other girls who used to go to my school that we met along the way) trekked the 5 blocks on foot to the rival party. When we got there, we immediately left. It was boring as hell.

Two girls (who at school earlier that day had announced the no beer at the other party issue and asked me to 'do something' about it) and a few friends of mine came back to my house and we watched Without a Paddle, crashed, and got breakfast in the morning. No booze needed.

Soooooo, in summation, I think alcohol could be okay at 18, but using it so early, and inherently making it the lifeblood of a party, seems a little stupid to me. It can add to a party, but it shouldn't be the only reason to party.

Also, Fill, I've been to beer parties several times before (hell, I live in Texas, the capital of drunk belligerent frat parties), have never gotten drunk, and have never had to drive anyone home. I have held some peoples' hair while they puke, but that's another story.

/rant.
Posted: Sun, 4th Nov 2007, 6:06pm

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People who drink at parties aren't the same as people who only consider something a party if they're drinking. The annoying 'Frat boy' person is like that because they're an idiot, not just because they're drunk. I know people who are nearly 20 and who still do stupid stuff when they're drunk and really go for it as often as possible, I know people who don't drink at all and I know people who drink in moderation (most of the time) and I find them all to be just as much fun as each other. It's very easy to be judgmental about something you're not familiar with.
Posted: Sun, 4th Nov 2007, 6:51pm

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Atom wrote:

Rawree wrote:

Eh? Who's making fun of American laws and regulations? Almost everyone discussing it is American.
Er, sorry. I was speaking generally, as either out of intrigue or disgust the rating system and such is always talked-at negatively. I didn't mean solely from non-Americans. And you're right, but Evman and Serpent don't count because they hate freedom. smile
Eh, it seems like you are the one that hates freedom. I'm a liberal libertarian. Freedom is my middle name...

Fill wrote:

Anyway, I'm happy with my birthday, and thanks for saturating my bday thread with a discussion on alcohol. smile
Most birthday threads get 4 replies and die after said birthday has passed. This will make your thread more significant. smile
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Ohhh how you young people who don't drink will most definitely change in a few years and look back on this thread and laugh.

I didn't get drunk until the last month of my senior year in high school. I was just constantly against it before then. Then I said "eh.. what the hell.." tried it and never regretted it. Nothing wrong with alcohol and not everyone who gets drunk pukes ha. Gotta know what drunk is before you can comment on drunk.

Because drunk people frankly piss me off. I hate them.
lol what??? Anyways, the only reason they piss you off is because your sober. Also, to say that you "hate them" is ridiculous. You must hate me every weekend or every-other... and to think... I didn't even do anything... neutral
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CX3 wrote:

Ohhh how you young people who don't drink will most definitely change in a few years and look back on this thread and laugh.

I didn't get drunk until the last month of my senior year in high school. I was just constantly against it before then. Then I said "eh.. what the hell.." tried it and never regretted it. Nothing wrong with alcohol and not everyone who gets drunk pukes ha. Gotta know what drunk is before you can comment on drunk.

Because drunk people frankly piss me off. I hate them.
lol what??? Anyways, the only reason they piss you off is because your sober. Also, to say that you "hate them" is ridiculous. You must hate me every weekend or every-other... and to think... I didn't even do anything... neutral
Hehe, thankyou for explaining things exactly as I see them! wink
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Just to tell you, Chris:

I'm a senior and almost 18 and still feel underage drinking, not drinking itself, to be stupid. Maybe I've done it, maybe I haven't. It doesn't really make it okay. It's wrong underage. Mostly because it's illegal. I don't appreciate being treated like some trivial kid who 'doesn't understand' simply because I have convictions and respect the law. Don't impugn our integrity.

I'll probably laugh at this all later on, but not for the reason you think. That's commendable that you made it to the end of senior year, though, really.
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I'm a senior and almost 18 and still feel underage drinking, not drinking itself, to be stupid. Maybe I've done it, maybe I haven't.
Just out of curiosity and for arguments sake, have you?
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Yes, but that doesn't mean I continue to, nor that I condone it. For argument's sake, it really shouldn't matter, though. I'm not some 14-year-old arguing pot-use with you any more, I'm almost 18, your legal age to drink, and I'm old enough to have made my choice and have a very clear understanding on the whole thing, so don't try and pull that one on me. For christs sake, I live in Texas.

The only thing lamer than underage drinking is trying to justify it when you're older by acting like it never was 'any big deal' and making people feel stupid for not treating it that way.

I sigh and shake my head at some of the 16-year-olds on here who, for the most part aren't even American, and try and flaunt/make it look cool that they drink. It doesn't happen that often on these generally mild and tasteful forums, but when it does: Tsk. Tsk.
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The only thing lamer than underage drinking is trying to justify it when you're older by acting like it never was 'any big deal' and making people feel stupid for not treating it that way.

I sigh and shake my head at some of the 16-year-olds on here who, for the most part aren't even American, and try and flaunt/make it look cool that they drink. It doesn't happen that often on these generally mild and tasteful forums, but when it does: Tsk. Tsk.
Firstly underage drinking really is "no big deal" in my town, I don't know how it is in Texas but let's not judge the whole world on that value system. Everyone here from the 'nerds' who spend every other moment obsessing over Halo and Nintendo, drawing their own manga and staring creepily at girls to the chiseled athletic types to the pikiest people on earth all go out drinking together from about age 16. In this particular town it's no big deal.

For christs sake, I live in Texas.
This does not mean you see the worst of everything or make you some kind of poor world-weary soul. Where you have frat parties we have 12-15 year olds walking around the streets drinking themselves silly on cheap cider and being generally abusive to everyone. We also have lovely lovely pubs.
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I'm 38 today!!!
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You're almost 40! smile
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CX3 wrote:

Ohhh how you young people who don't drink will most definitely change in a few years and look back on this thread and laugh.
I'm 27, and I still don't drink. Never have, not one drop. And that will not change. Ever. Because I don't abandon my principals. wink
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Sollthar wrote:

CX3 wrote:

Ohhh how you young people who don't drink will most definitely change in a few years and look back on this thread and laugh.
I'm 27, and I still don't drink. Never have, not one drop. And that will not change. Ever. Because I don't abandon my principals. wink
The same here. Highlight if you want to read the very stereotypical part of my post:

I refuse to drink, because I refuse to become one of those stupid teenagers that "get wasted!" every weekend. To me, it straight up angers me that people have nothing else to do but recollect about their 'crazy weekend' and how fun it was. Really? Fun? Throwing up is fun? Not remembering anything you said or did, and worrying you could have done something extremely stupid that could ruin your life is fun? I think not. I might take a sip of wine on Thanksgiving, but that's the most you'll see me ever drink.

The Colts lost. Not that they lost, but to the Patriots. If we lost to say, the Packers, I wouldn't be as mad, but we lost to the Patriots. The worst team to lose to. Oh, I hate you Tom Brady. I HATE YOU.
Posted: Mon, 5th Nov 2007, 8:26pm

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I have a huge problem with America's drinking laws. And before you go on saying I hate freedom, I'm from Wyoming, I am an American. Of course, I am moderately Conservative, so I guess I am a war-hawk and do enjoy the occasional American hegemonic subjugation of small, Middle Eastern republics.

At least, that's what some people (no one here) would have you believe.

In any case, I'm WAY off topic -- I just added my two cents in to say that, the government feels that 17 is an appropriate age for you to enlist in the military and even be deployed to some land far away from home for over a year at a time -- but you're not allowed to drink alcohol? You're allowed to die at the hands of enemies of this country, or kill them first, but you're not allowed to drink alcohol? That's... absurd.

People here should be allowed to drink at the age of 18, and frankly... we probably shouldn't be allowed to drive until we're 17 or 18 -- after some more serious driving classes, etc.

EDIT: I feel inclined to add that the debate on America's drinking age is fairly off-topic as well -- HAPY BERFDAY! Have a comic:

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Fill wrote:

I refuse to drink, because I refuse to become one of those stupid teenagers that "get wasted!" every weekend. To me, it straight up angers me that people have nothing else to do but recollect about their 'crazy weekend' and how fun it was. Really? Fun? Throwing up is fun? Not remembering anything you said or did, and worrying you could have done something extremely stupid that could ruin your life is fun? I think not. I might take a sip of wine on Thanksgiving, but that's the most you'll see me ever drink.
Yes but what you're forgetting is that you can drink without being a pathetic loser. Plenty of A/A- students drink. Perhaps not necessarily every weekend, but whenever it happens it happens. It's another form of fun. Over the weekend I went to two parties, one where drinks were abound, and one where there was absolutely no alcohol allowed. I had fun at both.
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Fill wrote:
I refuse to drink, because I refuse to become one of those stupid teenagers that "get wasted!" every weekend. To me, it straight up angers me that people have nothing else to do but recollect about their 'crazy weekend' and how fun it was. Really? Fun? Throwing up is fun? Not remembering anything you said or did, and worrying you could have done something extremely stupid that could ruin your life is fun? I think not. I might take a sip of wine on Thanksgiving, but that's the most you'll see me ever drink.
Yes but once again its someone making judgments on what drinking is without ever having tried it. You know... because all people who get drunk: forget, puke, do things stupid that could ruin their life. Come on people, stop making these over generalized claims on things that you do not know about. It's pretty ridiculous hah.

Also...

Don't impugn our integrity.
If I knew what "impugn" meant, I'd respond to that but I don't feel like dictionary.com'ing most the words you and brother use. ENGLISH, man! smile

My point: I can respect people who choose not to drink but dammit, alcohol is not the devil. Chill (certain people).
Posted: Mon, 5th Nov 2007, 9:18pm

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Ha, I warned you, that post was very stereotypical. Well, you see, in my school most people do drink alcohol, and if they do, they do it most weekends. I haven't met anyone their that doesn't 'over-drink'. It's probably different in TEXAS(Yes, all caps, because it's so huge! Ooo! wink), but at this school atleast everyone seems to drink uncontrollably. I'll tune you in to some conversations I've heard in the past few weeks:

"Person: Hey, you drink?
Me: No.
Person: You smoke?
Me: No.
Person: Aw, I was going to chill with you bro."

This person never says a word to me again.

"Yeah, I know he used to be so hot, but now he's like a ****ing alcoholic, and he's all fat."

Oh, may I remind you that SIX of the varsity cheerleaders were caught with alcohol, were kicked off the team, and arrested, when the regionals were the next weekend for the cheer leading squad.

I don't condone drinking at all. I'm a libertarian like Serpent. It's their lives, and they can choose how to lead it. I'm just sort of annoyed by how much alcohol is hyped to be the life of a party these days.

Hahaha! Thank you for that comic, Pickle.
Posted: Mon, 5th Nov 2007, 9:28pm

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The UK has a massive drinking problem - we're practically an alcoholic nation, particularly in some areas of the country and amongst some areas of society.

That's not so much due to drinking being a problem, however, but rather that capitalism is a problem: the bars, pubs and clubs woud far rather abandon their morals and continue selling drinks to drunk people that exercise caution (and, you know, obey the law). A bit more restraint on the part of the sellers, and a bit more enforcement on the part of the police, would fairly swiftly solve most of the problems.

That aside, however, I have no problem with alcohol itself or the consumption of it. As with everything else, it's about how much. Doing anything to extremes is a bad idea, same goes for booze.

I've never, ever drunk alcohol in order to get drunk. If I drink an alcoholic beverage, it's because I genuinely enjoy and like it's taste. It's absolutely no different to me drinking a fresh glass of fruit juice, or a glass of water, or a coke. And just as too much water can kill you, and too much coke is decidedly bad for your teeth and stomach, so alcohol is bad for your general cohesiveness. smile

When I was a kid at school, everyone seemed to drink specifically to get drunk, hence I didn't really get involved and didn't see the point. Thankfully as I've gotten older I've moved into different social circles in which drinking is a polite, civilised past-time, and one which revolves especially around conversation and friendly social activities.

So, yeah. Nothing wrong with drinking. But there's everything wrong with extremism. Whether it be religious, political, vegetarians, alcohol, WoW or browsing the FXhome.com forums. razz

p.s. Only kidding about the vegetarians. Well, mostly. wink
Posted: Mon, 5th Nov 2007, 9:49pm

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38 and aging in reverse I don't drink booze either.
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CX3 wrote:

Yes but once again its someone making judgments on what drinking is without ever having tried it.
Why would you have to TRY drinking to pass judgement on it? There's no logic in the "you don't understand what you haven't done" argument chain, and if you actually need me to, I'd be happy to deductively debunk it to pieces. But I think I can save all of us the time. smile


Personally, I'm against alcohol. I'm against drugs per se, and alcohol is one. The fact it's accepted in society doesn't change the fact that alcohol *CAN BE* dangerous and *CAN* have a highly negative effect on many areas - biologically, psychologically and socially. Doesn't mean everyone who drinks a beer is the devil and will automatically turn to become the seed of evil, die of alcohol induced illnesses or show any of the signs Fill mentioned, obviously. The outcome depends on way more factors then the alcohol alone and I'd be willing to assume we're all intelligent enough to aknowledge that.

CX3 wrote:

alcohol is not the devil
Great, you just made another overgeneralization in the counter direction CX3. smile

Alcohol is neither generally an evil thing, nor is it generally an unevil thing. It can be both. It can in fact BE "the devil", if we want to use that catchy phrase. For many people, it is.

I for myself take not drinking alcohol as a symbolic act for my own worldview and my view on drugs. That doesn't mean I condemn everyone who touches a drink. Just wanted to make that clear.
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happy birthday man! as far as drinking goes, it's really not much of a choice for me. I think I'll pass on old age liver problems. Anything that alters the way I would normally think is a no-go. I've had a friend killed by a drunk driver and the experience is definitely enough to keep me from drinking. but anyway, America is a free country so I'm not gonna pass judgment.
Posted: Tue, 6th Nov 2007, 1:42am

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Sollthar wrote:


I for myself take not drinking alcohol as a symbolic act for my own worldview and my view on drugs. That doesn't mean I condemn everyone who touches a drink. Just wanted to make that clear.
That's awesome. I was never once talking to you tho haha. I was directing my statement towards the "alcohol haters".

Like I said, alcohol is not the "devil". That title goes to the unintelligent people that abuse it. I'm not going to buy a gun, shoot someone and say "It's not all my fault... The gun's the devil." Alcohol doesn't make you do stupid things. Its the stupid persons fault for drinking it excessively and then doing stupid things. I'm not one of those people. Many others aren't those people. But some are. To go as far as saying that you "hate them" is pretty ridiculous.

btw alcohol is not the devil smile
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Er? I never said hated alchohol. Many gods drink alcohol:



Like I said in earlier posts, I don't like the "get wasted" crowd. smile
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Fill wrote:

I don't like the "get wasted" crowd. smile
Thats what I meant.. but you did use the word "hate" which is pretty extreme... like the wasted crowd haha

Fill wrote:

I don't drink... Because drunk people frankly piss me off. I hate them.
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CX3 wrote:


Alcohol doesn't make you do stupid things. Its the stupid persons fault for drinking it excessively and then doing stupid things.
While it may be the persons fault for drinking the alcohol, there is absolutely no question that alcohol itself DOES make you do stupid things. I'm sure many of us can attest to that fact...
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Bryce007 wrote:

CX3 wrote:


Alcohol doesn't make you do stupid things. Its the stupid persons fault for drinking it excessively and then doing stupid things.
While it may be the persons fault for drinking the alcohol, there is absolutely no question that alcohol itself DOES make you do stupid things. I'm sure many of us can attest to that fact...
Absolutely, but only when consumed in stupid amounts. smile

It's entirely possible to drink responsibly and not be at all influenced do to stupid things. So I'd agree with CX3 that it's largely due to the drinker, rather than the drink itself.

If you know too much drink makes you do stupid things...then don't drink too much! Simple as that really.