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Jabooza vs. The Penguinator - CANCELLED

Posted: Sat, 17th Nov 2007, 2:54am

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Jabooza

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A while back Darth Penguin and I had a poll about who would win our upcoming lightsaber duel; Jabooza vs. The Penguinator. We filmed the duel but afterward never actually did anything with it but now we're coming back to it to complete it.

After reading what I just wrote you probably are completely unexcited and uninterested that FXhome will be getting its billionth lightsaber duel. However, we tried to make this duel a little more interesting, it’s one of the very few lightsaber duels to be shot in the snow, and the camera work was more like it might be a normal fist-fight sequence; there aren’t lots of long-lasting wide shots where you can take in the “elegant flourishes” of the choreography, in fact, the choreography itself is a bit more brutal and less focused on spins than in most duels.
All-in-all it should prove to be interesting, but that said, we don’t expect it to be extremely successful or anything but, being FXhomers, we had to at least make one lightsaber duel didn’t we? wink
All we have right now is a rough edit and soon we’ll have a solid one and then we'll get started on the effects.

So, tell us what you think about it all.



-Jabooza

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Posted: Sat, 17th Nov 2007, 8:00am

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Well, I'm looking forward to it smile

As for the steam thing, try boiling a kettle and filming the steam from that against black because that would be what the snow is when touched by the saber, condensation.
Posted: Sat, 17th Nov 2007, 1:12pm

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Jabooza

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Thanks, it's nice to see you're interested

About the kettle thing, it would work except for the parts where it needs to be emitting from the length of te blade; the kettle would only be one area.
Posted: Sat, 17th Nov 2007, 1:44pm

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Go outside when it's cold, pour the hot water into something as long as the saber is (a really long bowl etc.) and do it like that.

Or, duplicate the steam horizontally.
Posted: Sun, 18th Nov 2007, 8:34pm

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I love your idea of making it in snow. You got me excited!

What would be cool as some point (I hope it's not too late for that!) would be making something with ice. Maybe... This is just my creative side going wild... Like a small old-fashioned stone bridge going over a little lake (à la King Kong, when they were in New York - you get what I mean?), and then dueling on the bridge, one falling on the slightly frozen water surface... Just a random idea that would require a lot of work, but should be fun!

Anyways, I think your duel should be cool - and that coming from a guy who never watched Star Wars, nor only watched one or two lightsaber duels on this site...

- Plainly

EDIT: Here are some Google picture. I imagine the bridge looking like this:
and the lake sorta like this type thing:
Posted: Sun, 18th Nov 2007, 9:01pm

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Plainly - we already filmed it so it's too late to use your idea, although it does sound cool. I don't think it would have worked for this fight though anyway because it's not at the kind of location where a bridge would be; it's sorta in a woods clearing-type place.
Anyway, I'm glad you're interested. Unfotuantly, our cameras won't import it and we have to wait for one to be fixed, it shouldn't take too long but it does mean we won't be able to start on the effects quite as soon.
Posted: Sun, 18th Nov 2007, 10:13pm

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Well the all the best to you.

How much roto are you expecting to do here? I just hope you have a lot of free time on your hands wink. I have a preset that is like a blast of steam/water vapour, that isn't exactly my best piece of work, and it is probably too fast for your needs but you can try it out if you'd like. That's probably going to be a last resort though. smile

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Posted: Sun, 18th Nov 2007, 10:27pm

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The Flying Fox wrote:

How much roto are you expecting to do here? I just hope you have a lot of free time on your hands wink.
Well, the duel is roughly three minutes long and we've got three people doing the effects (Darth Penguin, his brother, and myself), so we'll have about a minute to do each. Darth Penguin and I, along with our freind, have done a large amount of rotoscoping before on a project called Cobra 12 that we ultimately canceled, it had a four minute lightsaber duel, a minute and a half long lightsaber duel, two minute long lightsaber duels, and a three-quater minute long lightsaber duel. So yeah, this shouldn't be quite as hard as that... although, after doing all those duels there is a certain amount of dread we have going into this one. wink
Posted: Mon, 19th Nov 2007, 5:43pm

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Jabooza wrote:

after doing all those duels there is a certain amount of dread we have going into this one.
Now thats humour!

Well goodluck, anyway!
Posted: Mon, 19th Nov 2007, 6:54pm

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The Flying Fox wrote:

Jabooza wrote:

after doing all those duels there is a certain amount of dread we have going into this one.
Now thats humour!

Well goodluck, anyway!
Yeah... except I was serious. King of Blades has also offered to help out on the rotoscoping so that'll make things easier.
Posted: Mon, 19th Nov 2007, 7:49pm

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Sounds like some fun. I'll watch it when it's out... But in the meantime, if you need any help with anything you know where to contact me.
Posted: Mon, 19th Nov 2007, 9:03pm

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Then I am offering my services to you aswell if you wish. I have some free time and can rotoscope fine. Pm me if you do want me to do something for you.

Always happy to help.
Posted: Tue, 20th Nov 2007, 1:02am

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Thanks Flying Fox, I sent you a PM. For anyone else that's willing to help rotoscope, we haven't been able to start on the editing just yet because we have to wait a few days to get our camera fixed before we can import it, but after that it should be edited in a couple days and then we'll be able to start the effects. It's also a lot easier for everyone just to send us the project files so they don't have to worry about hosting the full-quality files, we only have EffectsLab so it's a lot easier if you own it and don't use VisionLab, however, if you do use VisionLab you can make presets containing the keyframes of the lightsaber effects.
So anyway, the more people the better!


-Jabooza
Posted: Tue, 20th Nov 2007, 5:47am

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So, ah, is this supposed to be reminiscent of Ryan vs Dorkman? I mean... from what I know about it so far, that's what it seems.
Posted: Tue, 20th Nov 2007, 1:07pm

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King of Blades wrote:

So, ah, is this supposed to be reminiscent of Ryan vs Dorkman? I mean... from what I know about it so far, that's what it seems.
Um, yeah I suppose it's similar, I mean, it's a short lightsaber duel so I guess so. It also isn't really gonna have much to do with SW, no SW costumes, nor music, so I guess in that respect it is kinda like RVD also.
Posted: Tue, 20th Nov 2007, 10:10pm

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We're now officially looking for as many lightsaber rotoscopers as we can get. We obviously don't need a ton but the more we have the easier for all of the rotoscopers.

EDIT: Well, we've got six now so I don't think we really need anymore.

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Posted: Wed, 21st Nov 2007, 1:48am

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I'm up for it.
Posted: Wed, 21st Nov 2007, 2:16am

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Cool. I sent you a PM.
Posted: Wed, 21st Nov 2007, 4:00am

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Really? Six for a 3-minute movie?
Posted: Wed, 21st Nov 2007, 4:40am

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SilverDragon7 wrote:

Really? Six for a 3-minute movie?
Three minutes is an awful long time to rotoscope... because 1 frame isn't the equivalent of 1 second, and its an arduous task just trying to rotoscope 30 seconds.

Though, six people probably is more than enough for the project.
Posted: Wed, 21st Nov 2007, 5:23am

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That's why there is Motion Tweening wink.

But it's not like rotoscoping is hard or anything, maybe time-consuming, but I guess when you do it by yourself all the time you get faster and better at it.
Posted: Wed, 21st Nov 2007, 2:20pm

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SilverDragon7 wrote:

That's why there is Motion Tweening wink.
Tweening rarely works when rotoscoping lightsabers.

SilverDragon7 wrote:

But it's not like rotoscoping is hard or anything, maybe time-consuming, but I guess when you do it by yourself all the time you get faster and better at it.
Well, it isn't hard because the effect always comes out good and aligning the points isn't usually very difficult, but it is extremely tedious and time-consuming. If you work for an hour on it you're usually surprised by how little you really did on the scope of the whole duel.
Posted: Wed, 21st Nov 2007, 6:00pm

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Jabooza wrote:

SilverDragon7 wrote:

That's why there is Motion Tweening wink.
Tweening rarely works when rotoscoping lightsabers.
So, that wasn't precisely what it was made for, then? smile

Motion tweening works just fine for rotoscoping. It's still an arduous task, but requires patience either way. Tweening or none.

Just to tell you, I think a much more fluid look will come from tweening than from spec frame-by-frame.
Posted: Wed, 21st Nov 2007, 7:15pm

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Well, I guess I could've phrased that a little better, tweening does work sometimes, and it does help even when it doesn't work just right, but there are a lot of times where you have to go back and fix the frames where it was tweening because it goes off of the saber. It is useful but rotoscoping still takes LOTS of time.
Posted: Thu, 22nd Nov 2007, 3:31am

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Well maybe it's because I'm not in school, so I have that free time you don't to work on rotoscoping.

But I do not agree with you at all, Motion Tweening works wonders for me everytime, weather its between 3 frames or 10.
Posted: Thu, 22nd Nov 2007, 2:11pm

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SilverDragon7 wrote:

But I do not agree with you at all, Motion Tweening works wonders for me everytime, weather its between 3 frames or 10.
10! crazy The most I can ever get is 5! And that's rare!
Posted: Sun, 6th Jan 2008, 1:17am

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Well I got my camera back and tried to import it and it didn't work, the camera will import other stuff but for Jabooza vs. The Penguinator it plays it without sound and when I push the import button in iMovie the button changes blue like it should but it doesn't actually import, and it still does this after we tried using a head cleaner in the camera. So I guess the project is postponed until we can figure out some way to import the footage. sad

UPDATE:
Well we figured out that we are gonna be able to import the footage, I'm not sure exactly when we'll have it ready for effects but I thought I'd mention it so our rotoscopers (if you guys are still interested) would know about it.
A problem that I'm having though, is uploading it. Digerati Media has agreed to let me use some webspace but I don't know how to upload the video. I used to use a program on Windows but now I use Mac and don't have the program anymore, I got Cyberduck but I really have absolutely no clue whatsoever about what I'm doing with it, so if anyone knows anything about it, help it appreciated. smile
Posted: Sun, 6th Jan 2008, 2:10am

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Check your PM inbox smile
Posted: Mon, 7th Jan 2008, 3:38am

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Well, erm... this is a bit embarrassing but... I don't think we'll be able to finish it. When we tried importing it it started working but then stopped working, we can't find any way to get it to work. If someone has any advice we'll try it again but I think this might just have to be cancelled... again.
Posted: Mon, 7th Jan 2008, 4:33am

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Just like the real world, the pitfalls of film hype. Tisk, tisk. Sorry guys maybe you'll figure something out.
Posted: Mon, 7th Jan 2008, 2:00pm

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What are you capturing from? DV/MiniDV, DVD, Hard Drive?

There must be a way of capturing it even if you use someone elses computer to do so.