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How to make aliens like ones from war of the worlds

Posted: Wed, 28th Nov 2007, 12:10am

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How would one go about making aliens like the ones from war of the worlds? What software allows you to do it? I know it will be quite a task, but it would be very helpful.

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Posted: Wed, 28th Nov 2007, 12:13am

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you will definatly need something like 3d studio max or any 3d editing program
Posted: Wed, 28th Nov 2007, 12:16am

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That's a lot of work that honestly, I don't think is worth it. I've got a great alternative for you: Puppets biggrin
Posted: Wed, 28th Nov 2007, 3:26pm

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DVStudio - the guys who do CGI for the blockbuster movies work in massive teams of hundreds of people for thousands of manhours to create and animate the VFX. It's a bit like you having a microwave and the contents of a few cans of food trying to make a 7-course Michelin starred menu for 300 covers - it's just going to disappoint!
Posted: Wed, 28th Nov 2007, 5:15pm

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pdrg wrote:

It's a bit like you having a microwave and the contents of a few cans of food trying to make a 7-course Michelin starred menu for 300 covers - it's just going to disappoint!
Beautiful analogy.
Posted: Wed, 28th Nov 2007, 8:25pm

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Thanks guys. I will have to look for a way around it- other than puppets.

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Posted: Wed, 28th Nov 2007, 8:25pm

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Any suggestions?
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Puppets are propably a good way of doing this- for nearly 100 years mechanical props and "puppets" were the only way to really achieve that sort of thing- 3D CGI has really only come into it's own in the past 15 years or so you are going to need to re-think your concept and get creative.
Posted: Wed, 28th Nov 2007, 8:58pm

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http://fxhome.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=32429&highlight=

Seriously, all you have been doing is asking questions and asking questions. You are blatantly spamming. How about you take a second to take in the answers. Your question has been answered and you clearly haven't even looked into it. 3D software doesn't come easy. Stop posting question topics and do some damn research. There is no "aliens like the ones from war of the worlds" button. You can learn the software. Here are some keywords that you should look for when trying to accomplish these kinds of effects realistically. Find some tutorials and search for pre-made models!

Keywords:

HDR
Character Animation
Rendering
Key framing
Camera
Compositing

If you search for those + Blender (if you are using Blender) and actually LOOK for your answers, you might actually learn how to do this. I've given you the resources in the last topic. GOOGLE AND BLENDER.ORG Seriously. Go. Now.

ALSO: If you don't learn CG, buy or make a War of the Worlds toy or model and do stop motion on a greenscreen and composite it onto your live footage. Google stop motion and shop for the model/toy.
Posted: Thu, 29th Nov 2007, 3:23am

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http://www.daz3d.com/i.x/shop/itemdetails/-/?item=2280

Using Daz Studio is like puppet animation with cgi. The method to animate models is simple and basic but the results can be very high quality. The program is free and the model is $20 (or $2 if you join the Platinum Club).
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It'd be super easy to get this type of thing if you had a multi million dollar budget and the best visual effects company in the world at your disposal. Start there.
Posted: Thu, 29th Nov 2007, 3:59pm

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Lol, off topic question: Why did Aculag get a +1 for his sarcastic answer? eek biggrin
Posted: Thu, 29th Nov 2007, 9:06pm

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Probably the same reason that I got a +1 for this
Posted: Thu, 29th Nov 2007, 10:43pm

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I'm sorry that it may have looked bad with my asking this out of the blue. I did some research and couldn't find anything too helpful. I was prepared to do a lot of work, but now I realize it would have been a TON of work, not practical at all-- maybe i'll give the stop motion a try.

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Posted: Thu, 29th Nov 2007, 10:51pm

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DVStudio, even if unintentional, you are in fact spamming. Denying you're doing something does not negate the fact that you're doing it. You even realize someone posted a whole topic on account of your gross misuse of the ability to create new threads, right?

Asking a simple question is okay, but check Google and Wikipedia first. The results are almost always there. Short of that, check the forums here before asking. Use the forum search.

It gets extremely annoying when you brag up yourself, have nothing to show for it, ask questions and then, when people answer you- only return the reponses with spite and disdain.
Posted: Thu, 29th Nov 2007, 11:16pm

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DVStudio -

As others have pointed out, you are spamming - you might even say you're trolling for attention by bragging about how you're great at special effects and then posting lots of very simple questions.

But, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

However, insulting other FXhome members is against the forum rules. Serpent is a very capable film maker who is very knowledgeable. He is certainly not 'a moron'. You should be thankful that he's taken the time to try and help you, rather than just ignoring your question altogether.

I think you should grow up a bit, and take a long hard look at yourself and your own attitude, before you start throwing insults around at people.

Arktic.
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Leave the kid alone guys.
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I think this is just a form of hazing in effect.
Posted: Fri, 30th Nov 2007, 5:53am

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I don't think that means overkill is necessary. I agree with Sollthar, leave him alone. There are far less-informed and more-annoying new users to make such a quarrel with if you wish so deeply to.
Posted: Fri, 30th Nov 2007, 7:19pm

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Thanks Atom and Sollthar,
I don't mean to be annoying. If you don't like the idea, the don't submit your movie. Simple.
Posted: Fri, 30th Nov 2007, 8:14pm

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DVStudio wrote:

Thanks Atom and Sollthar,
I don't mean to be annoying. If you don't like the idea, the don't submit your movie. Simple.
You know, when someone tries to defend you, you really shouldn't continue with the haughty "If you can't take the heat then get out!" attitude you've been sporting. We're trying to help, yeah. But you're a brand brand new user, get over yourself. Simple.
Posted: Fri, 30th Nov 2007, 9:12pm

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I looked up the definition of Irony in the dictionary and it showed me a picture of Atoms last post.

I agree with the consensus - that the effect is too long and complicated either to explain even the basic work required to accurately composite a 3D model into moving video, let alone to do is realistically or model, rig, animate then render the damn thing.

It's safe to say that if it's something I wouldn't want to try, that it's way beyond you if you're asking that kind of question. You've been given some keywords though which should definitely be your first steps down the arduous road of 3D for film. I've been down that path just a little myself smile

I don't think you're spamming, I just think that you really need to educate yourself about the basic principles of effects for film. When you know these, the general techniques become very, very obvious. Which is why I suspect a lot of people have found your question aggravating.

Good Luck!
-Hybrid.
Posted: Sat, 1st Dec 2007, 2:21am

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well this is a forum where you ask about filmmaking right? then what's the point in even having it if you supposed to search several other places online first? confused
Posted: Sat, 1st Dec 2007, 6:00am

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Hybrid-Halo wrote:

I looked up the definition of Irony in the dictionary and it showed me a picture of Atoms last post
Hardy-har. I looked up irony in the dictionary and it showed me this:

i·ro·ny1 /ˈaɪrəni, ˈaɪər-/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[ahy-ruh-nee, ahy-er-] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun, plural -nies.
1.the use of words to convey a meaning that is the opposite of its literal meaning: the irony of her reply, “How nice!” when I said I had to work all weekend.
2.Literature.
a.a technique of indicating, as through character or plot development, an intention or attitude opposite to that which is actually or ostensibly stated.
b.(esp. in contemporary writing) a manner of organizing a work so as to give full expression to contradictory or complementary impulses, attitudes, etc., esp. as a means of indicating detachment from a subject, theme, or emotion.
3.Socratic irony.
4.dramatic irony.
5.an outcome of events contrary to what was, or might have been, expected.
6.the incongruity of this.
7.an objectively sardonic style of speech or writing.
8.an objectively or humorously sardonic utterance, disposition, quality, etc.
Perhaps you're reading an old edition?
Posted: Sat, 1st Dec 2007, 12:57pm

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Thanks hybrid. I appreciate it.
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well this is a forum where you ask about filmmaking right? then what's the point in even having it if you supposed to search several other places online first?
Some people call it "education" or even "thinking before asking". It's a neat trick that gets you places once you figured it out. wink
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well this is a forum where you ask about filmmaking right? then what's the point in even having it if you supposed to search several other places online first? confused
I hear what you're saying, but take the argument to it's extremes and you'll see where it falls down - instead of taking time to research and learn anything, it means asking to be spoonfed forever (understandable as I'm sure DVStudio and many others here are very young and haven't learnt that you can find answers in books/libraries instead of just asking Dad or Teacher).

If questions are posted 'how do I plug in my camcorder?', 'how do I create a lightsabre effect?', etc - questions answered in manuals (for the camcorder/software), then do you answer them from scratch each time? Or do you start teaching someone how to learn (as they don't seem to have those skills yet)? Do it often enough, and the user will start to realise they can do some research and work it out for his/herself. This is the only way we ever get new ideas/new products/strecthing the rules/new thoughts/etc - by people researching and experimenting - or we'd never have discovered fire, the wheel, etc wink

And I'm not singling DVStudio out for this - six months ago it was a different younger filmmaker promising the world whilst asking for pre-entry-level help, and another six months before that - sometimes those who have learnt how to learn get bored and occasionally bite (especially when goaded), but refering someone to search/research is always a positive thing - if they can't find the answer after an hour or two of hunting, then sure, ask the community, and it's likely to be a fresh question to interest everyone, but boards full of 'how do I make a lightsabre?' just drive the more experienced members away.

And all that was just my 2p, of course...
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pdrg wrote:

Vito Corleone wrote:

well this is a forum where you ask about filmmaking right? then what's the point in even having it if you supposed to search several other places online first? confused
I hear what you're saying, but take the argument to it's extremes and you'll see where it falls down - instead of taking time to research and learn anything, it means asking to be spoonfed forever (understandable as I'm sure DVStudio and many others here are very young and haven't learnt that you can find answers in books/libraries instead of just asking Dad or Teacher).

If questions are posted 'how do I plug in my camcorder?', 'how do I create a lightsabre effect?', etc - questions answered in manuals (for the camcorder/software), then do you answer them from scratch each time? Or do you start teaching someone how to learn (as they don't seem to have those skills yet)? Do it often enough, and the user will start to realise they can do some research and work it out for his/herself. This is the only way we ever get new ideas/new products/strecthing the rules/new thoughts/etc - by people researching and experimenting - or we'd never have discovered fire, the wheel, etc wink

And I'm not singling DVStudio out for this - six months ago it was a different younger filmmaker promising the world whilst asking for pre-entry-level help, and another six months before that - sometimes those who have learnt how to learn get bored and occasionally bite (especially when goaded), but refering someone to search/research is always a positive thing - if they can't find the answer after an hour or two of hunting, then sure, ask the community, and it's likely to be a fresh question to interest everyone, but boards full of 'how do I make a lightsabre?' just drive the more experienced members away.

And all that was just my 2p, of course...
This.