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Special Essentials ...fake?

Posted: Fri, 4th Jan 2008, 8:32pm

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Check this http://www.jappe.biz/xslimits/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=93&Itemid=60
This is pack of stock footage which is rly cheap and sounds great but...in promo there are some of detonationfilms clips and some from artbeats! Can they legally sell someone else's clips ?
Posted: Fri, 4th Jan 2008, 8:59pm

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if they are selling detination films clpis the det films must have bought them from a lone stock footage seller. thats what i think.
Posted: Fri, 4th Jan 2008, 9:01pm

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that looks cool. but like u said is it legal. well I don't really care cause all I'll do is buy it. but I do need to see more clips though
EDIT: dude great find. I'll definitely get some from them. but in the list of programs it doesn't mention fxhome. will fxhome be able to key the "checker board looking things"
Posted: Fri, 4th Jan 2008, 9:15pm

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I've not looked at the footage, but a 'chequer board looking thing' is often used to denote transparency, usually stored as an alpha channel - however, even if there's no alpha channel, Composite Lab and Vision Lab have some very advanced keying tools which should allow you to import almost any stock footage.

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Posted: Fri, 4th Jan 2008, 9:50pm

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I would not buy from these. I noticed this site a few months back and I emailed Detonation films telling them that they were selling their footage and they replied back saying they'll look into it further. It seems to me that they have simply downloaded the footage from their site and are trying to sell it. A while back also they were selling stock footage of the Fxhome Muzzle flash generator. They basically rendered the muzzle flashes that fxhome had made (the presets) and were selling them. I think fxhome resolved that problem but if I were you I wouldn't buy from them, what there doing isnt legal.
Posted: Fri, 4th Jan 2008, 10:30pm

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http://www.jappe.biz/xslimits/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=34&Itemid=61

I haven't heard sounds yet but still I have a weird feeling that this is Action Audio Pro.
Posted: Fri, 4th Jan 2008, 10:59pm

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RodyPolis wrote:

that looks cool. but like u said is it legal. well I don't really care cause all I'll do is buy it.
That's not really very supportive of decent traders like Detonation Films...
Posted: Fri, 4th Jan 2008, 11:07pm

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"25 CLIPS Full of blow stuff"

Ok then. That whole site is pretty shady, and riddled with weird phrases and spelling/grammar errors.
Posted: Fri, 4th Jan 2008, 11:31pm

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petet2 wrote:

RodyPolis wrote:

that looks cool. but like u said is it legal. well I don't really care cause all I'll do is buy it.
That's not really very supportive of decent traders like Detonation Films...
I'm not disin detonation film. it's a great site. it's just that at the time I really didn't believe any of u who said it was from detonation films cause I've seen the DF stuff and they look nothing like what I saw. And also because I just like saving money, it's nothing personal
Posted: Fri, 4th Jan 2008, 11:31pm

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Looks farmiliar, eh?
Posted: Fri, 4th Jan 2008, 11:40pm

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dang it man. I want to buy something from them but something keeps telling me not to. i mean they have great deal but now that I think about it, if they stealing stuff from other websites, they wouldn't hesitate stealing my money. Are you guys sure they're stealing?
Posted: Sat, 5th Jan 2008, 3:08pm

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First off- some of that footage is from Detonation Films, which has been very, very generous over the years and continues to be by offering lots of useful stuff for FREE- that's right, you are going to spend money on something that honest folks like Detonation films gives away for FREE.

Secondly, if it is Artbeats footage- there is NO WAY you are getting that leaglly for 4.99. Artbeats footage is IMO WAYYYY overpriced, but it costs what it costs, and it is far more than 4.99.

Third, the reason you don't believe that exlposions and such you see in films that people are "claiming" came from Detonation films is because you obviously don't understand how they have incorporated the stock clips into their films AND Det films offers so many different things from FREE clips to HD "pro" paks that it's hard to tell what all elements were combined in a film shot to make it happen-


IMO this looks like an Eastern European site or something- They may not think there is anything "wrong" with re-distributing things like Det films footage for the mere price of 4.99, especially when they got it for "free" most likely. Just be wary- some of the other products they offer seem almost "too good to be true" as well, but in all honsety- some kids that are good with After Effects or something may have been able to generate that stuff and it may be legit...
Posted: Sun, 6th Jan 2008, 11:00pm

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I wrote them and here's what they said.
"Yeah, we have alot of people that don't trust our website,
maybe because of the prices or maybe because of the website by itself.
But we will tell you, we do NOT scam, and why should we..
After all we actually don't need money, every money that get's to us, a part goes to donate schools in afrika and a part goes to our school we're we can keep the projects going."
I might give them a try after all.
Posted: Sun, 6th Jan 2008, 11:40pm

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RodyPolis wrote:

I wrote them and here's what they said.
"Yeah, we have alot of people that don't trust our website,
maybe because of the prices or maybe because of the website by itself.
But we will tell you, we do NOT scam, and why should we..
After all we actually don't need money, every money that get's to us, a part goes to donate schools in afrika and a part goes to our school we're we can keep the projects going."
I might give them a try after all.
I don't know, when they said, "Yeah, we have alot of people that don't trust our website," and "we do NOT scam, and why should we..
After all we actually don't need money" sound very suspicious...
Posted: Mon, 7th Jan 2008, 1:17am

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Hell I did all of us a favor i bought the whole sets. Soon they will send me a link. When I download it I will let you know for sure whats what. I own all of Andrew Kramer's dvds as well as all stock footage from detfilms. I also own some footage from artbeats, digital juice, and so on. I know whats out there. 40.00 is a small sacrafice. I will let you guys know the second they send me the link to download it. Also another asuption I have is some of their backgrounds look like they cam from "Evolution" Which I brought from Video Copilot by Andrew Kramer. I hope the color grading presets are not stolen from video copilot. If it is I will know for a fact everything is stolen because color grading presets are way to easy to make. It can be even legal underlaw to modify some of the presets and sell them and claim it as your own.

I am at work right now. They said allow upto 48hrs to send the link. I'll let you guys know what happens. In the meantime do not buy it. If you guys get screwed I wasted money for nothing. Atleast make my sacrafice just lol.
Posted: Mon, 7th Jan 2008, 1:46am

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Thanks man. Means a lot to us lol Could you do me a favor, when they send you the link, could you give me more detail about it. cause I asked them and the guy I was talking to said he didn't know much about it.
Posted: Mon, 7th Jan 2008, 1:53am

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I will give a detailed review of the whole thing. so far from what I see is that the owner of the site is 14 years of age. Either he is a smart 14 year old, or a not so cleaver/cleaver theif lol.
Posted: Mon, 7th Jan 2008, 2:18am

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remember 14year olds are not able to enter into contracts and no legitimate credit card handling company would go near them, so they're either 18+ or, erm, telling porkies
Posted: Mon, 7th Jan 2008, 2:36am

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correct pdrg ; but they state that they do this from their school. They have also told me their scholl is involved. Does it sound nuts? Hell yeah it does. We will see what happens. I will write right back as soon as a I recieve it.
Posted: Mon, 7th Jan 2008, 7:42am

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RodyPolis wrote:

I wrote them and here's what they said.
"Yeah, we have alot of people that don't trust our website,
maybe because of the prices or maybe because of the website by itself.
But we will tell you, we do NOT scam, and why should we..
After all we actually don't need money, every money that get's to us, a part goes to donate schools in afrika and a part goes to our school we're we can keep the projects going."
I might give them a try after all.
I'm sorry Rody, but you've got to be a complete idiot if you think this message itself doesn't sound completely sketch. Riddled with spelling errors and poor grammar as well as far fetched and presumptuous claims. One big indicator of bad business is presentation. Even on the surface, a serious businessman would check for grammatical errors. Not to mention the site looks completely templated and then slapped-on. Come on, man. This is ridiculous. Go get it for free at Detonation Films. If this guy is selling stuff you can't get for free at Artbeats or Det. Films, buy it from them, the respectful owners of the clips. It's not only the legitimately right thing to do, but this whole thing is probably completely illegal.

Some little teenager bootlegging and running a business way over his head. For instance, take a look at Action SoundFX. Look or sound familiar? "comes with 10 action soundtracks". What also comes with those? Oh right, it's Designer Sound FX. I would know, I used the first sound in the video for 'Action SoundFX' in my movie Marathon, where I retrieved it from DSFX.

Suspending my suspicion that it's all stolen, I also highly doubt someone who claims they "decided to go further, like to create products and give more functions on premiere users. Our school helped us alot" had the effort or time to make 200 royalty-free sounds themselves. What's icing on the cake is this in their forums:
Any1 has product from the folowing link?

http://www.videocopilot.net/products.html

its probnly ur big concurent he levity?
And then someone replied:
I think that this is a copy of products offered by xslimits


Come on, now.
Posted: Mon, 7th Jan 2008, 11:41am

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After a quick WHOIS on the domain name, I can tell you that the owner of said domain lives in the Netherlands. That's all I can offer to this conversation (not because I rest my case or I'm prejudiced based on where that person lives, but because... I've got nothing else to say)
Posted: Mon, 7th Jan 2008, 2:06pm

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It makes me sad to read some of the comment on this topic where it sounds like people will buy footage cheap and don't care if the purchase it legitimate or not. Would you purchase a pirated DVD because it is cheaper then the real thing?

This is so sad coming from a filmmaking forum where we are up against so much piracy - this kind of talk only supports it. You shouyld be ashamed of yourself!
Posted: Mon, 7th Jan 2008, 3:51pm

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Okay I got the link some are broken but in the email he said he is still uploading. Will let you know soon. He also claimed that one of the programs was not hd so he will release it soon. Due to this he has not claimed my payment and so far I am getting all for free. He said if he won't have it ready he won't charge me.
So far in that aspect he must be a saint. We will see once I download all. His server is slow as hell. I am upto the audio Fx. Ill tell you what I see in this.
Posted: Mon, 7th Jan 2008, 4:47pm

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Okay, I talked to the host of the site and apparently he didn't know that site was hosted on his server (a friend of him owned that site). It should be deleted tonight.
Posted: Mon, 7th Jan 2008, 8:44pm

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Already not available !!

Another win for the community !!

That guy from 300 wrote:

THIS IS FXHOME !!!!!!1111o!!!!ONE !!
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Posted: Mon, 7th Jan 2008, 10:37pm

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Okay the virdict is in.

I recived multiple links to download what I have purchased. The download was slow.

1)Now the "Blowup" product was a direct copy of detonation films free section.

2) The sound fx I am sure are also copied; but heres the thing, guns sound like guns. I have recorded some sound fx off real guns and they sound all alike so there is no way to really know. As for the sounds in terms of music, I have heard them somewhere so do to that I feel the product was copied.
3) Now here’s where it gets interesting. The color grading presets. Like I said earlier, presets are way too easy to make especially for After effects and also keep in mind if you were to modify any presets even from magic bullet it would be undetectable and in many cases it is illegal only if you get caught unfortunately. Yet here is the funny part. They labeled a series of the 100 or so presets "XS 300x" lol this is a direct copy from Andrew Kramer's epic preset release which is available for free if you purchase any program. At least that was the deal. Now I own all of Andrew Kramer's dvds so I knew that right away. And here is something I think would interest all FXhomers, allot of the presets look as if they were first made on vision lab. Many of the other presets looks like they were built on Magic Bullet, and also lots were modifications of Andrew Kramer's work. This is all their color grading programs.

4) "Outbacks" This is 12 backgrounds on HD. Now I have allot of Digital Juice software and it looks like it has been created from their products as well as "Evolution" By Andrew Kramer. Either way the backgrounds look dull and unusable unless you want to disattract a client which sometimes I do. Now I know I am not the only one here. You know who you are.
5) Moving to number 5, "Special Essentials" and man is it so special. You got art beats, digital juice even couple of stock footage I saw on eBay and get this a special product for a special price. Now here in XS we don't charge high prices like 600 bux (which is the going rate for these) no way. We charge a measly 12.99 and get this if you act now we will contribute a portion of our proceeds to Africa. What more can you ask for? (Either Andrew Kramer is a starving kid in Africa collecting donations with Tarn and all the other FXhomers or these 14 year old kids are... dare I say the words, Torrent downloading, Pirating little sceamers.)

Conclusion: If you are looking to throw away money on pirated items and support the pirate world do what everybody else does, and wait for someone to come to your local subway station or barber shop and say " one dalla one dalla one dalla" or you can support the scenes who really earned the money and buy their products. Most of these items you can find free. If you want to waste 40 bux donate it to those free sites. Bottom line is if you want to ever market your movies be sure not to use these items. You will get sued so quick you won't know what hit you. Wow the kids are 14. I guess the saying of" It's like stealing candy from a baby" lost all it's meaning. Well I wasted 40 dollars to prove a point. I guess 20 of those dollars will go to the school for pirates and the other 20 to African pirates. AAAAAAAA I can finally sleep easy tonight. This is Lior Shimoni saying goodbye and goodnight.(Wow need to switch to decafe.)
Posted: Mon, 7th Jan 2008, 11:56pm

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Dang these guys are just wrong you know. They're kinda smart too cause they sell what you can get for free.(when most people don't know if they can get them for free) Well I admit this is wrong I won't feel right getting it(sorry Lior, you're guilty of pirating) I went t art beats and art beats' stuff is very expensive. They must have got the muzzle flashes and bullet hits from there.
I still can't figure out where they got the bloods. I was guessing NCC but Lior didn't mention about it. Video Copilot has good blood, they must have got it from them.
So yeah, I admit this is wrong and you just shouldn't do it. But why would you get sued for using it. Do they actually know the difference between them?
Posted: Tue, 8th Jan 2008, 12:21am

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yes the blood was by video copilot. As for the law. These products I bet are sold by the childs father and he says it's his son so he won't get in trouble. You can get sued if you use stock footage that is not licenced to you. It has happned before and it will happen now. I am about to write Andrew Kramer a big letter in regards to this as well as Detfilms. I am not a pirate lol. I simply bought it to prove that it is illigal. Most of these Items I own and they are way to expensive. My advice to people who cannot afford these items is, see if you can do without it. There are allot of movies out there that chooses not to use even blood. Vision Lab does it all. If you buy effects lab you are also buying the loads of free presets. These are more then what you need to make a short film. Asfor sound effects, make your own. I feel bad telling you this but in this biz everything cost money. Sometimes you get some free lunch here and there; but a solid job is something you will need. I have so much stock footage. Some I consider trash and a waste of money and some are realy good. I do not believe you get what you pay for; because I have purchased hd stock footage from NCC for 100 bux or so where I would pay tripple that price to artbeats and I did and saw no difrence. You just need to shop smart. Det films have allot of cheap footage for you to use aswell.
These guys are criminals. They renamed all the presets you know like dog poop and dog poop reverse. most of there grading that looked tweaked were horrible. I am sure you can ask fxhomers on the forum here for help. You can not by licenced stockfootage from them; but legaly if you credit them and let them do the special effects you would be able to use their stuff.
Now as for advice. Never purchase footage from places that are not real businesses like eBay users, sites that have no legal licenses. Just remebr, today everybody can make a website, and you can make all the excuses you want. When you get cought they don't care where you got it because that place that was it's origin won't exist anymore, they will penalize only you.
I might be an idiot that spends loads of money on stockfootage; but atleast I know it's worth it because I can legally use it over and over again. Most of the time I make 3 times what its worth back when I do stuff for clients. It's expensive but well worth it.
Posted: Tue, 8th Jan 2008, 12:28am

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Sorry. Let me also add that I think we should make a sticky right here on the forums to help people not make mistakes. Let the posting consist of fake sites. I know odds are these places close down faster then we can post; but it might be a good idea. Just my two cents.
Posted: Tue, 8th Jan 2008, 12:53am

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RodyPolis wrote:

Dang these guys are just wrong you know. They're kinda smart too cause they sell what you can get for free.(when most people don't know if they can get them for free)
Complete dumbasses is more like it. I'd expect anyone seeing their footage and looking for something like that would know of NCC and Videocopilot, as they are two fairly well-known mainstream amateur filmmaker essentials packs. Even you knew of them right off the bat! It's good that you realize it's wrong, Rody, and I can't pass judgment on you for being duped by a seemingly good offer (we all are at some point).

But as always, exercise caution in all your purchases. And when a majority of the community and keen members such as pdrg are advising you not to trust it, trust them. We're a kind of family here, we wouldn't tell you wrong. smile
Posted: Thu, 10th Jan 2008, 1:42am

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Thanks for doing this, Lior. I appreciate what you've done for the people of fxhome.