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Posted: Tue, 15th Jan 2008, 7:44pm

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Well we were all expecting a new macbook to be released soon I bet no one saw this coming. The new model is called the MacBook Air. While not made to out perform the Macbook or MacBook pro it brings somthing new to the table, size. With a 13.3 inch screen and a .76 inch thickness, this lap top weighs only 3 pounds which makes it ultra-portable.




Check it out: http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/wa/RSLID?nnmm=browse&mco=7B723660&node=home/shop_mac/family/macbook_air
Posted: Tue, 15th Jan 2008, 7:51pm

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Wow, that's got to be the thinest laptop I've ever seen. Looks pretty cool, but it's too bad it doesn't have a built-in disc drive. unsure
Posted: Tue, 15th Jan 2008, 8:15pm

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That's pretty neat! I was disappointed when I saw it didn't have an optical drive, but when they explained how you can wirelessly use one from a PC, it made up for it a little. I kind of want one... wink
Posted: Tue, 15th Jan 2008, 8:23pm

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Yeah theres an option for an external superdrive and heres the wireless transfer explained.

Ahead of the curve.
In redefining thin, MacBook Air has shed something you no longer need: the optical drive. That’s because MacBook Air is built for the wireless world. So instead of watching DVDs, you can rent movies wirelessly from the iTunes Store. And instead of backing up files to a stack of discs, you can back up files wirelessly using Apple’s new Time Capsule.

However, for those times when you still need to install software on MacBook Air from a CD or DVD, a new feature called Remote Disc lets you wirelessly use or “borrow” the optical drive of a Mac or PC in the vicinity. So you can have full access to an optical drive without having to haul one around.



Set up Remote Disc on a nearby Mac or PC.
Select a nearby Mac or PC with an optical drive. On that computer, install the Remote Disc Setup software (found on the supplied Mac OS X Install DVD). It is now permanently enabled for Remote Disc.

Insert the software disc you want to install.
Insert the DVD containing the software you want to install on MacBook Air into the optical drive of the Remote Disc-enabled Mac or PC.

Install the software on MacBook Air.
In the Finder on MacBook Air, under Devices, select the icon that says Remote Disc. Click on the computer you enabled, and then double-click to open the software DVD. Now proceed with the installation just as if you had a built-in optical drive.
Posted: Tue, 15th Jan 2008, 8:29pm

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wow, that looks awesome.. they are not in the .no store yet, anyone know the price?
Posted: Tue, 15th Jan 2008, 8:33pm

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Here are the prices + tech specs.

http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/wa/RSLID?nnmm=browse&mco=7B723660&node=home/shop_mac/family/macbook_air
Posted: Tue, 15th Jan 2008, 8:37pm

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i've seen the future smile hehe.
Posted: Tue, 15th Jan 2008, 9:03pm

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Dancamfx wrote:

I bet no one saw this coming.
I knew this was coming, we've finally reached the stage where our laptops will be ripped from our hands in gusts of wind. biggrin

Seriously though, it's a neat gadget, but is it being so slim really neccesary? I suppose it is a great leap forward in terms of being truly "portable" but how strong is it? A friend of mine recently destroyed a laptop screen just by poking it (apparently.(I saw the screen and it looked like someone had taken a hammer to it.)), I could just imagine the pain in seeing at least $1800 of money spent, snap in half, or worse. Even if they are tested, things happen, no matter what.

Of course if this turned out to be stronger than any other laptop so far, because of the fact that it is so compact, possibly more rigid and structurally secure because of it then great! razz
Posted: Tue, 15th Jan 2008, 9:12pm

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That looks very cool indeed, especially with a solid state hard disk drive, which would effectivly remove almost all moving parts in the computer biggrin
Posted: Tue, 15th Jan 2008, 9:26pm

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Very thin, sure. But for a 13-inch screen for $3,100+ I'll pass. Still cool with multi-touch, though.
Posted: Tue, 15th Jan 2008, 10:00pm

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Cool, not much GB though...
Posted: Tue, 15th Jan 2008, 10:40pm

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The Flying Fox wrote:

Seriously though, it's a neat gadget, but is it being so slim really neccesary?
For some people it is. Some people just want to edit their word documents, surf the web and check their e-mail... and maybe watch video or two. That doesn't require much (and doesn't need a CD drive), and so the lighter you can get while retaining the capability of doing the above tasks, the better. A lot of those people also have this thing called "a life," which means they need to carry it around in the off-chance that they need to check their Facebook.

To me, though, slimness = missing thickness, and missing thickness = missed performance. 17-inch laptops with dual hard drives and graphics cards forever! biggrin
Posted: Tue, 15th Jan 2008, 10:59pm

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Was hoping for an update to the Macbook Pro (I'll be getting one within the next few weeks), but this still looks kinda cool, if a little underwhelming. I'm still going for the MBP though... no way the Air can handle what I want.
Posted: Wed, 16th Jan 2008, 12:27am

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Did Apple do any hardware upgrades this Macworld?

I saw the Macbook Air coming, but I honestly thought they'd introduce that iMac shell that docks Macbooks/Macbook Pros (surely would have been overpriced though) that they patented. Not a big fan of the Macbook Air. I'm sure it has it's place in the market, just not for me. Too underpowered, overprice. I don't care about the smallness.

I'm more digging the Modbook touch... I'd get one if I weren't getting a Macbook Pro for video work.

http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/15/axiotron-modbook-tablet-mac-hands-on/
Posted: Wed, 16th Jan 2008, 12:59am

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Yeah the MacBook Pro is still the way to go IMO. That MacBook Touch is cool Serpent But Practical? Ive never been a fan of touch devices.
Posted: Wed, 16th Jan 2008, 2:09am

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Dancamfx wrote:

Yeah the MacBook Pro is still the way to go IMO. That MacBook Touch is cool Serpent But Practical? Ive never been a fan of touch devices.
I'm not sure how good it is, but if you ever use a Wacom pad (and practice at it), it will change your workflow if you do any kind of graphic or photography work on the computer.
Posted: Wed, 16th Jan 2008, 7:30am

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This is great, but the only thing it is missing is a firewire port which you cannot really work around when you want to hook up your camera w/o another computer. Although it really wasn't designed for creative professionals it still would have been nice.
I'm all for losing the optical drive. I rarely use mine, and I would rather hook up to another computer or a external rather than having one built in.
I have a 15" macbook pro, but this thing is heavy and still relatively thick in comparison. To be able to throw you laptop in your bag and not notice it would be very cool. Plus this thing is going to turn heads (not always a good thing).
If I was a richer man I would certainly get one, but I'll be in the market for a mac pro next time a buy a computer. I can't sacrifice performance, no matter how good it looks.
Posted: Wed, 16th Jan 2008, 10:43am

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I phase in and out of liking Apple. Sometimes they create something genuinely brilliant and sometimes their arrogance and elitism makes me seethe. Today it is the latter.

News flash, Apple: we're not all vapid, Audi-driving media twats who get wowed solely by the dimensions of an inanimate tool.

It seems to me that Apple have done what they do best: Reinvent the wheel - call it "The Wheel", pontificate about how its so round and it can make things roll, do the minimal amount of innovation which makes The Wheel marginally better than standard wheels, coat it in an aesthetically pleasing wrapper, then price it far outside the range of most people's wallets and present it in a marketing package that makes you feel so embarrassed by your apparent lack of cool, that you feel compelled to buy one.

I'm afraid its just not going to wash this time around. The iPod is still a piece of brilliant design: it does what thousands of products do, but does it considerably better. I fail to see how the Macbook Air does anything significantly better to warrant either its price tag or its melodramatic release.

Wireless sharing?!! HOLY CRAP I'LL BUY 20!!
Posted: Wed, 16th Jan 2008, 11:11am

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Yeah, I also thought that this thing seemed kinda over-priced and it's also basically the same computer they just came out with only in a different case and with no disc drive. Weird.
Posted: Wed, 16th Jan 2008, 11:36am

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A Pickle wrote:

The Flying Fox wrote:

Seriously though, it's a neat gadget, but is it being so slim really neccesary?
For some people it is. Some people just want to edit their word documents, surf the web and check their e-mail... and maybe watch video or two. That doesn't require much (and doesn't need a CD drive), and so the lighter you can get while retaining the capability of doing the above tasks, the better.
Surely for those people 'cheaper' is far more important than anything else?

While this new Air thing is technically very spiffy, I'm not sure I entirely see the point. Requiring another PC or Mac on the vicinity in order to perform simple computer tasks seems a bit odd, too.

When they dumped floppy it was because it had been replaced by CD/DVD and was obsolete. I'm not sure that you can say the same has happened with CD/DVD yet, not least because wireless net access is only available in some areas still, and not always at useful speeds.

If I wanted to get a laptop I'd want something fully featured, not something that cuts down on features simply so it can be really thin.
Posted: Wed, 16th Jan 2008, 5:12pm

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A Pickle wrote:

For some people it is. Some people just want to edit their word documents, surf the web and check their e-mail... and maybe watch video or two. That doesn't require much (and doesn't need a CD drive), and so the lighter you can get while retaining the capability of doing the above tasks, the better. A lot of those people also have this thing called "a life," which means they need to carry it around in the off-chance that they need to check their Facebook.

To me, though, slimness = missing thickness, and missing thickness = missed performance. 17-inch laptops with dual hard drives and graphics cards forever!
Yeah I decided today on the bus, that I should change "necessary" to "a good thing"(you sorta said what I was thinking). Because I know that many a person uses it casually as it's such a neccesity in their job, it's people who commute, and use it while they do, may end up with it dropped and broken as people tend to push and shove alot (no offense to anyone that commutes out there), so due to it's slimness, it may not be strong enough to survive day-to-day belting about.

But then if you got a warranty.......

and Tarn, that's a good point.
Posted: Wed, 16th Jan 2008, 9:28pm

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Tarn wrote:

A Pickle wrote:

The Flying Fox wrote:

Seriously though, it's a neat gadget, but is it being so slim really neccesary?
For some people it is. Some people just want to edit their word documents, surf the web and check their e-mail... and maybe watch video or two. That doesn't require much (and doesn't need a CD drive), and so the lighter you can get while retaining the capability of doing the above tasks, the better.
Surely for those people 'cheaper' is far more important than anything else?
To people with the above tasks who lack the money, yes. To people who have sufficient capital to afford one... probably not. Subnotebooks and thin-n-lights have been selling in the PC world for... ever. Eee PC?

Tarn wrote:

When they dumped floppy it was because it had been replaced by CD/DVD and was obsolete. I'm not sure that you can say the same has happened with CD/DVD yet, not least because wireless net access is only available in some areas still, and not always at useful speeds.
When they dumped floppy, a lot of people were infuriated. A lot of people TODAY, yes, TODAY, in 2008, STILL use floppy disks because they're terrified of switching to "one o' them thars finger drives."

Sometimes you just... have to force people to move up in the PC world. Abandonment of floppy was exactly that. Abandonment of CD/DVD will be exactly that. Web 3.0 forever.
Posted: Thu, 17th Jan 2008, 3:45am

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I think few people are realizing what this thing is really for and what it really means. If it does not appeal to you then you are clearly not the target audience.
Maybe apple should have waited until the technology was cheaper, but with all the innovation put into this laptop, it shows that this new kind of computer is possible and it will encourage the competition. I think it will take a few revisions to really start selling well but think about how far the ipod has come for example.
Every single piece of this computer is amazing. They fit a 1.8ghz core 2 duo into a .7" enclosure! This shows just how good this partnership with intel has been. I wonder if they are going to share this smaller chip with other hardware companies.
Sure it may not be the best computer for most people, but its not designed to be. I'm just amazed how much apple was able to innovate here. If it actually had a firewire port or express-card slot I might actually consider it.
Posted: Thu, 17th Jan 2008, 5:49am

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Actually I wonder who the target demographic for this thing is. Serious video makers, musicians and photographers are going to go for the Pro, while students who only go on the web and listen to music will go for the normal Macbook... the thinness is only really useful if you travel a lot or carry it around with you a lot, which leaves wealthy businessmen who travel a lot and rich students.

Since there are no rich students, the target audience is thus wealthy businessmen who travel a lot and are willing to spend a lot of money on a mac... which is not a lot of people.

Really, I'm just confused. Give me a tablet mac already.
Posted: Thu, 17th Jan 2008, 10:26am

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Too right, Pooky! When you factor in the reduced feature set (which Apple have somehow spun to be a feature in itself) and the price tag, it seems the target demographic is considerably narrowed.

There are of course plenty of rich people who buy expensive consumer products without first checking if they can do what they want with them, then theres the rich cool kids who buy them just so they can be seen with one, but neither of these groups together with the fat cats, are the kind of people I have any respect for.

I suppose thats perhaps at the core of my current dislike for Apple: I own Apple hardware and feel strong brand loyalty to them. I'm therefore excited to learn about new releases, as I would quite like to indulge my loyalty once again. But the Macbook Air seems to be a product disappointingly aimed at vapid twunts. By association, I therefore feel slightly embarrassed and insulted, since it feels like I could be part of the same demographic.
Posted: Thu, 17th Jan 2008, 12:28pm

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When I first saw the image, I was semi-excited. But after I looked into the features, and then the price for those features, my excitment waned. I recently got a MBP and I'm happy with that because of the power and performance. The MBA has either a 1.6GHz or 1.8GHz processor... For most of the people on this site, this would be very difficult to edit videos on, especially with the file sizes of HD, and how many people have a camera capable of recording in HD.

However, if the MBA had a price tag similar to the EEE by Asus, it would probably appeal to more people. At the moment its like trying to sell an 11 year old car, for more than the price of the updated model in 2008 (if you understand what I'm trying to say.)

Xcession wrote:

But the Macbook Air seems to be a product disappointingly aimed at vapid twunts.
Do you know what that sounds like?


Stunts. What did you think I was going to say...
Posted: Thu, 17th Jan 2008, 1:40pm

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Looks to me like Apple is targeting the idea that they are company of innovation. They want to customers who want a media device or computer to think who they feel is the most innovated powerful company and than remember that Apple released that really thin laptop.

Though, in defense of the touchscreen capabilities. I have not had a problem yet with my Itouch and love it dearly.
Posted: Thu, 17th Jan 2008, 4:57pm

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Digerati Media wrote:

But after I looked into the features, and then the price for those features, my excitment waned.
You're joking me. An SSD, a plethora of RAM and a Core 2 Duo (and the iSight camera) in a 0.76" thin notebook? I guess $1799 is pretty steep, but... by comparison against thicker yet-similarly-equipped PC notebooks, that's pretty revolutionary.

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The MBA has either a 1.6GHz or 1.8GHz processor... For most of the people on this site, this would be very difficult to edit videos on, especially with the file sizes of HD, and how many people have a camera capable of recording in HD.
I vehemently disagree -- it's a Core 2 Duo, and moreover, it's a Core 2 Duo mobile with an 800 MHz front side bus. HD video will be more than easily managed on that system. The only thing holding this system back from being a super video editing system is the internal SSD, which is smaller than a conventional hard drive and therefore something of a bane to video editing. Of course, 64 GB should be plenty for one small-to-medium video project at a time, and should be considerably faster than conventional hard drives at data transfer, something which video editing benefits from TREMENDOUSLY.

Frosty G wrote:

Looks to me like Apple is targeting the idea that they are company of innovation.
And, you know, good on them... but I can't help but frown at the much larger, yet-much-less innovative PC companies. Pisses me off.
Posted: Fri, 18th Jan 2008, 4:59am

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I wish my computer had a 1.8ghz Core 2 Duo. But my macbook pro has a 1.83ghz core duo and its plenty fast for me (although I edit HDV not HD).
The Macbook Air would actually be a great companion to a mac pro, just not a good standalone computer. The macbook pro covers that much better, although it is pricier.

I bet these things are going to be the hot item on ebay in about 5 years razz
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Xcession wrote:

Too right, Pooky! When you factor in the reduced feature set (which Apple have somehow spun to be a feature in itself) and the price tag, it seems the target demographic is considerably narrowed.
Generally I'd agree, but I think we all said the same of the iPhone back last January when it was going to cost $600 and start at $60+ voice per month. Thank god that changed. I'll bet we'll see the same with the MacBook Air, even if it is rare for Apple to lower price without a new model coming in.
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Atom wrote:

Xcession wrote:

Too right, Pooky! When you factor in the reduced feature set (which Apple have somehow spun to be a feature in itself) and the price tag, it seems the target demographic is considerably narrowed.
Generally I'd agree, but I think we all said the same of the iPhone back last January when it was going to cost $600 and start at $60+ voice per month. Thank god that changed. I'll bet we'll see the same with the MacBook Air, even if it is rare for Apple to lower price without a new model coming in.
The difference here is that everybody wanted one of those. It's basic supply and demand. In this case, however, the target demographic is tiny.
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Yeah, the iPhone was a properly revolutionary product, in that it immediately destroyed every other mobile phone on the market. Pretty much everyone instantly wanted an iPhone as soon as they found out about them.

Whether they could afford one is another issue, of course. But it was definitely one of those "this makes all other similar products irrelevant" products.

The Air, on the other hand, is essentially just a smart laptop. Which is smaller and lighter than usual. So if you want a laptop that's smaller and lighter than your old one, great!

Otherwise, though, it's still essentially...just a laptop. Sure, amazing technology, but practically it's just small laptop. Other laptops are still viable options, and people that weren't previously interested in laptops aren't suddenly drooling at the prospect.

Doesn't mean it's a bad product, of course. It's a great product! It's just...not very exciting. Which is totally fine, but Apple's ridiculous marketing hype always tries to imply that it's going to change the world - if they toned it down a bit and just said "hey, we've made a cool laptop that's small" then I imagine there wouldn't be quite such a backlash.

In other words, Apple shouldn't try to sound revolutionary and life-changing on every product. Sometimes they can just settle for "it's rather good". razz
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Sure it's cool and all, but who really needs one that thin? It has a small screen (mine is 17 inch-laptop) and NO DISC DIVE!?! Yes, I am familiar with the concept of downloading wirelessly from another PC, but this is slightly rediculous. i ahve heard that is slow and doesn't completely make up for a CD/DVD drive. How do you watch DVDs on it? I don't think is is worth the money. Again, I hate Macs... just some thoughts.
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I've been looking at this a lot lately. Yes, I hate Apple, I'll say that right off the top so all you Apple fanatics don't have to read this if you don't want to.

For me, the solid state hard drives are big enough yet. Sure they're super fast, but they run hot and 80 GB for that price doesn't seem appealing to me.

I agree with the above, no disk drive capability shoots it down for me, as well as the small screen.

The processors are also too slow for me to handle, especially since they're Intel. I prefer AMD as they run faster and are better for processing video and graphics.
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Mandalorian wrote:

The processors are also too slow for me to handle, especially since they're Intel. I prefer AMD as they run faster and are better for processing video and graphics.
I understand that you don't like macs and all. But please back ridiculous statements like that up before you post.
Posted: Thu, 24th Jan 2008, 7:45am

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Mandalorian wrote:

The processors are also too slow for me to handle, especially since they're Intel. I prefer AMD as they run faster and are better for processing video and graphics.
You're misinformed I'm afraid. Intel was indeed inferior about 2-3 years ago, but now they lead the pack with the Core 2 Duo and AMD is lagging way behind. This is backed up by every benchmark ever.
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Mandalorian wrote:

The processors are also too slow for me to handle, especially since they're Intel. I prefer AMD as they run faster and are better for processing video and graphics.
Heh.
Posted: Thu, 24th Jan 2008, 2:22pm

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I'm not quite sure how well this is going to do, like someone already said (not sure who smile ) I think there are people (who don't do advanced media stuff) who would really like it because it is thin and I think some people would like it enough to pay the price... but those are also the same people who would probably really like to have a disc drive in they're laptop instead of having to learn how to wirelessly use one from a nearby computer.
For people who do do media stuff (like me), 80 GB isn't quite enough, Darth Penguin's MacBook only has 80 GB and while he is able to get by with it he has problems doing so. The RAM however I do think is enough, I have 1 GB of RAM and haven't had any problems and the Air has 2 GB of RAM.
There's no denying that it is extremely cool but I think anyone who does media would rather pay the same price and get a more powerful computer while other people would probably rather pay less and get one that has a CD drive even if it is more bulky.
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So I'm typing this from my new Macbook Pro... and I'm pretty damn pleased so far.
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Like Evman, I'm typing this on my new Inspiron 1520 that was actually running pretty bad from just one month of Jack Sparrow-like activity (a lot of it, sadly). I just wiped clean the registry, clearing out all the crap, and hot damn this runs fast!

As for the MacBook Air: eh, I don't see any use but what Xcession said (people feeding their own egos) but I do really, really like the new commercial. Quaint and not too insanely full of itself like other things from them have been lately.

But I dunno about the new MacBooks. They're not as a big a deal, I think.
Posted: Fri, 25th Jan 2008, 6:10am

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All I see is, an insanely overpriced laptop, thats easier to break. I can hear tons of high schoolers drolling over it now, asking their parents to buy it for them to add to their collection of "cool" Apple products. I have rather lost respect for them as a company. I'll happily stick with PC.
Posted: Fri, 25th Jan 2008, 7:01am

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The processors are also too slow for me to handle, especially since they're Intel. I prefer AMD as they run faster and are better for processing video and graphics.
Even AMD's newest quad-core CPUs, the Phenoms, pale in comparison to the much faster Intel Core 2 Quads. My god, do your research.

http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/07/14/core2_duo_knocks_out_athlon_64/
>>First of all let me sort the facts: As soon as Core 2 Duo hits the market, it will outperform the complete Athlon 64 family (X2 and FX) in all areas, including gaming, where AMD has traditionally been very strong.

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2795
>>Compared to AMD's Athlon 64 X2 the situation gets a lot more competitive, but AMD still doesn't stand a chance. The Core 2 Extreme X6800, Core 2 Duo E6700 and E6600 were pretty consistently in the top 3 or 4 spots in each benchmark, with the E6600 offering better performance than AMD's FX-62 flagship in the vast majority of benchmarks.

http://techreport.com/articles.x/10351
>>After years of wandering in the wilderness, Intel has recaptured the desktop CPU performance title in dramatic fashion. Both the Core 2 Extreme X6800 and the Core 2 Duo E6700 easily outperform the Athlon 64 FX-62 across a range of applications...

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/core2duo-e6300.html
>>First of all I would like to point out that new Intel processors on Core microarchitecture boast very impressive performance. The improvements Intel introduced in them have certainly helped create today’s most efficient x86 processor design.

http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=6184
>>The micro-architecture leverages a bunch of smart technologies that come together to form the most potent range of CPUs available. Putting it in some kind of context, the next-to-bottom model, E6400, costing $220, is, over the course of our benchmarks, as fast as an AMD Athlon 64 FX-62 or Intel Extreme Edition 965. That, readers, is how good Core 2 Duo is.

Look up any review you want. Intel chips are beating the pants off of AMD chips these days... that's why Apple uses them.
Posted: Fri, 25th Jan 2008, 3:00pm

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Mequellios wrote:

All I see is, an insanely overpriced laptop, thats easier to break.
Well, to me it doesn't look like it would actually be easy to break, it looks like the material it's made out of might actually be somewhat strong. But then again, I've never used one. The Best Buy near my house ("near" meaning 40 minutes away) has a Mac store inside it so I might be able to try one out there, even though I don't actually want one I do think it would be kinda cool to see.
Posted: Fri, 25th Jan 2008, 6:45pm

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Evman wrote:

So I'm typing this from my new Macbook Pro... and I'm pretty damn pleased so far.
Does the lid of yours bend slightly upwards on the corners when it's closed? Both the one I'm on and the one it replaced had that problem.
Posted: Fri, 25th Jan 2008, 8:21pm

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Pooky wrote:

Evman wrote:

So I'm typing this from my new Macbook Pro... and I'm pretty damn pleased so far.
Does the lid of yours bend slightly upwards on the corners when it's closed? Both the one I'm on and the one it replaced had that problem.
Not as of yet... luckily I suppose.
Posted: Sat, 26th Jan 2008, 2:37am

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Interesting... maybe I should try getting it changed again.
Posted: Sat, 26th Jan 2008, 6:40pm

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I wonder how many pieces it'll shatter into when a book falls on top. razz

12....15?


Better yet, if it doesn't work too well for your daily needs, I suppose the larger demographic would find it useful as a frisbee replacement for recreational activities.
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If you threw it hard enough, I'm sure it could chop a person in half.
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This is even better than the Ipod Flea.

*/End sarcasm.
Posted: Mon, 28th Jan 2008, 12:35am

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I must admit, that though I'm a PC user, I've always had this peculiar fascination with Apple products. The MacBook Air, though, just seems like a novelty, nothing more.
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Guys-
1. Ausus Eee PC and Flip Satrt weigh less and are still ultra-portable and are pretty thin
2. AMD is better
3. As I said screen is too small
4. portable isn't everything
5. Slow
6. small hard drive
7. NO DISC DRIVE
Posted: Fri, 1st Feb 2008, 12:48am

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DVStudio wrote:

Guys-
1. Ausus Eee PC and Flip Satrt weigh less and are still ultra-portable and are pretty thin
2. AMD is better
3. As I said screen is too small
4. portable isn't everything
5. Slow
6. small hard drive
7. NO DISC DRIVE
Cleverly disguised PC fanboyism at its apex. I agree that the Macbook Air isn't for me (which is why I went ahead and got a Macbook Pro), but honestly dude, settle down.

1. Sure, good for them.
2. Alright, good for you.
3. You haven't said that, and 13 inches is definitely not small for that size.
4. Of course it isn't... but for some people it is.
5. Not terribly.
6. Of course it's got a small harddrive... because it's... small...? And there are these wonderful devices called external Harddrives as well, not to mention wireless networks.
7. Yeah, no disc drive is annoying, but those are far less essential than they used to be (and you can wirelessly access disc drives of other computers.

As I said, I wouldn't get an Air as it's too underpowered for me, and obviously niether would you because of what you've no doubt read on PC fanboy sites, but that doesn't mean others would.

To each his own, come on.
Posted: Fri, 1st Feb 2008, 12:49am

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DVStudio wrote:

Guys-
1. Ausus Eee PC and Flip Satrt weigh less and are still ultra-portable and are pretty thin
2. AMD is better
3. As I said screen is too small
4. portable isn't everything
5. Slow
6. small hard drive
7. NO DISC DRIVE
That post made me laugh. smile
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DVStudio wrote:

Guys-
1. Ausus Eee PC and Flip Satrt weigh less and are still ultra-portable and are pretty thin
2. AMD is better
3. As I said screen is too small
4. portable isn't everything
5. Slow
6. small hard drive
7. NO DISC DRIVE
heh
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DVStudio wrote:

Guys-
(snip)
2. AMD is better
(snip)
You rather damaged the integrity of your post with that comment, I'm afraid.
Posted: Sat, 2nd Feb 2008, 1:00pm

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DVStudio wrote:

3. As I said screen is too small
The screen on the laptop I'm using right now (and always use) is the same size and I never have any problems with the size of it.


DVStudio wrote:

5. Slow
Hmm, where'd you hear that? This is a whole lot faster than the average laptop (of course there are faster ones but this beats the majority of them).


DVStudios wrote:

6. small hard drive
I can see how the hard drive would be too small for somebody doing a lot of media work (movie editing for example) but for someone who just needs it for everyday use, the hard drive is actually more than big enough.


Another cool feature that I saw that it has is an illuminating keyboard, and it automatically adjusts it's light for the amount of light in the room.
Posted: Sun, 3rd Feb 2008, 12:17am

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DVStudio wrote:

Guys-
1. Ausus Eee PC and Flip Satrt weigh less and are still ultra-portable and are pretty thin
The Eee PC runs an incompatible, dumbed-down operating system. The Flip Start has a retarded keyboard. The Macbook Air suffers from neither ailment, and is very thin.

You are comparing apples to cars.

DVStudio wrote:

2. AMD is better
No, they aren't. You should try learning something about what you're talking about before... blithely talking about it. It will help you save face in front of other forum-goers.

DVStudio wrote:

. As I said screen is too small
You're an idiot and a fanboy. You just recommended the ASUS Eee PC over the Macbook Air. The Air has a 13.3" screen at 1280x800 pixels, the Eee PC has a 7" screen at 800x480 pixels. The Flip Start has a 5.6" screen with a resolution of 1024x600 pixels.

Which one of those can play 720P videos? I'll let you guess, and then slap yourself for arguing about screen size.

DVStudio wrote:

4. portable isn't everything
To some, it is. Fortunately for them, you don't get to choose for them.

DVStudio wrote:

5. Slow
Again, you have defeated your own argument. The Eee PC has a 900 MHz single-core Intel Celeron M processor. The Flip Start has a 1.1 GHz single-core Intel Pentium M processor. A piece of cardboard could out-encode both of those processors -- yet you advocate notebooks that use these abysmally antiquated and slow processors...

...while calling the Macbook Air, which uses a dual-core 1.8 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo processor, "slow." Core 2 Duo's posses many architectural improvements over the Pentium M/Celeron M-series, namely SSSE3, micro- and macro-ops fusion, a four-issue wide execution core, dual-core technology sharing a dynamic L2 cache and a number of other chip innovations. I'm pretty sure you have no idea what I just said, but those things are also the reason AMD is way behind Intel these days in price, power efficiency, and performance.

DVStudio wrote:

6. small hard drive
YOU JUST ADVOCATED THE ASUS EEE PC OVER THE MACBOOK AIR. The Eee PC has a MAXIMUM storage space of a whole whopping EIGHT GIGABYTES. The Flip Start has a MAXIMUM storage space amount of 30 GB. The Macbook Air, on the other hand, has a MINIMUM storage space amount of 64 GB with the solid state drive.

...and if you had any idea what you were talking about, you'd know that a solid state drive, while smaller, has the added benefits of greatly reduced power consumption and greatly increased data transfer speeds.

DVStudio wrote:

7. NO DISC DRIVE
Do you seriously think the Eee PC or the Flip Start have disc drives? Because if you do, you're kind of a moron. Neither of those computers have disc drives, yet you recommended them ahead of the Macbook Air, despite their own very serious flaws.

In fact, every flaw you pointed out in the Macbook Air was also present in BOTH of the "alternatives" that you presented -- the Eee PC, and the Flip Start. You have just contradicted your entire argument, within the span of the same post.

Wow. Just... wow.
Posted: Sun, 3rd Feb 2008, 2:13am

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A Pickle wrote:

In fact, every flaw you pointed out in the Macbook Air was also present in BOTH of the "alternatives" that you presented -- the Eee PC, and the Flip Start. You have just contradicted your entire argument, within the span of the same post.
Haha, I wanted to be the one to point that out but I just didn't know enough of the facts about his two suggested alternatives.
Posted: Sun, 3rd Feb 2008, 3:19am

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DVstudio,

Didn't you say that you already have five or so computers? If so, what's the point of criticizing a computer that's obviously not marketed for people like you? To top things off, Why post a ludicrous argument that isn't even valid? Where did you get the idea that current AMD processors are better than Intel Core 2 Duo?

Have you even done any research to support those statements?

I don't want to put you down, but why did you post that?
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Do you guys really have to pound him so hard?

Seriously, just ignore the darn post already!
Posted: Sun, 3rd Feb 2008, 3:38am

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mVPstar wrote:

Do you guys really have to pound him so hard?
Yes... Yes we do.
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Evman wrote:

mVPstar wrote:

Do you guys really have to pound him so hard?
Yes... Yes we do.
No, you don't. You just want to.
Posted: Sun, 3rd Feb 2008, 5:14pm

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Pooky wrote:

Evman wrote:

mVPstar wrote:

Do you guys really have to pound him so hard?
Yes... Yes we do.
No, you don't. You just want to.
Also possible...
Posted: Mon, 4th Feb 2008, 1:04am

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I don't really think the 'Air' is practical for the average person...at all. Too expensive for too little in my opinion. I mean you can watch videos and check/send email with your cell phone, and the 'Air' has no disc drive so what are you really missing that's so important that would make you spend $1,800 USD (starting price) on it? Only reason I can think of is to be a status symbol and to get people attention by showing off your new toy. This is only from my first impressions of what I've seen and heard about it so far, but there's going to be review of it on Attack of the Show on G4 Monday.


Added 2/4/08:
Here's the link to AOTS's review of the Macbook Air
Basically from their review, by the time you're up and running with upgrades and warranties you're looking at $2300 to $2400 lighter wallet and a laptop with a lot of downgrades in performance and features. Better off getting a Macbook.