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Posted: Sun, 20th Jan 2008, 10:48pm

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I just got the demo of Movie Studio Platinum 8.0 and there are some stuff that I can't figure out yet.
1.Can you use stock footage like explosions of muzzle flashes
2.How do you render an HDV video? Do you render it as a minidv one?
3.Where is a good place to find tutorials on it?
4.Can you make music? Cause some stuff have that thing where you can make music fit your actions. Here is a picture of what I'm looking for. See at the bottom left corner where it says it creates background music to fit you videos. That's what I'm looking for.

5. A great tutorial on grading.

Any help would be appreciated. Thanks
Posted: Sun, 20th Jan 2008, 11:15pm

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RodyPolis wrote:

I just got the demo of Movie Studio Platinum 8.0 and there are some stuff that I can't figure out yet...
Remember what I told you earlier, Rody. Googled "Sony Vegas 8 Tutorials". Took me like 2 seconds to find adequate stuff.

Here for grading, settings, etc.

Here for a Walk-Through, How-To, Etc.

A Vegas Help Forum

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4.Can you add make music? Cause some stuff have that thing where you can make music fit your actions.
I'm guessing that the Magic Music feature is limited to either the full/non-demo version of the program or a higher-tier version of Vegas. (Like Vegas 8 Pro) On your screen the icon/button looks greyed-out, as in inactive. I'm not sure how this works since large steps in audio manipulation and creation have been made between Vegas 6/7 and 8, so I can't tell you for certain what/how it works.

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Posted: Sun, 20th Jan 2008, 11:18pm

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I think you're talking about Cinescore? That's a Sony product that can create custom sound tracks from a preset.

Here's the link
Posted: Sun, 20th Jan 2008, 11:59pm

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Atom -- the screen shot Rody has is not Vegas Movie Studio, its apparently Cyberlink PowerDirector (check the task bar). I think he's asking if VMS has something like that. Cyberlink must have optional integration with SmartSound.

Fill is right that Vegas has Cinescore, but integration directly into the editing program is available only in Vegas Pro (I think). Otherwise, if you have VMS, you can edit your footage and render it and then send it to Cinescore operating in standalone mode.

I guess Cinescore is a pretty good product (I've never used it) but I see numerous complaints from people about how few sound libraries are available for it. In contrast, I generally see rave reviews about the Sonicfire SmartSound program, and the wealth of song libraries supporting it. But all of these things are very pricey.

Rody, rest assured you can add songs and music to the movies you'll edit in Vegas Movie Studio, but hold off on buying Cinescore or SmartSound until you've come up to speed on shooting video and editing.

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Posted: Mon, 21st Jan 2008, 12:31am

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Tim L wrote:

I guess Cinescore is a pretty good product (I've never used it) but I see numerous complaints from people about how few sound libraries are available for it. In contrast, I generally see rave reviews about the Sonicfire SmartSound program, and the wealth of song libraries supporting it. But all of these things are very pricey.
I was just taking a look at Cinescore today. One thing I think is really cool for it is being able to purchase libraries with loops and samples from movies such as Spiderman 2, SPEED, or Casino Royale and create something new with the same flavor. It allows for reinterpretation but means you can keep sounds and cues you like from the movies you like. Not to mention the grand idea of building a common theme/score for a movie, not just music tracks. For this, Sony Theme Packs come in handy. One advantage of having a movie company make movie-editing software. smile

I've generally heard good things about Cinescore, but I've heard about the loops lack too. I think this is dwelled on because of the proficiency of Cinescore's Sony Sister programs like SoundForge and Acid.
Posted: Mon, 21st Jan 2008, 3:48am

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You can used muzzle flashes and just about any compositing stock footage etc.. in Vegas without using FXHome products really, just using the different compositing modes. Vegas does not allow you just "generate music" at random. Sony does offers Cinescore as a plug in for generating music (I have it because I have the entire suite of Sony products) but I've never really used it. But, there are all kinds of loops and music that can be used directly in Vegas (it suppports ACID looping functions)
Posted: Mon, 21st Jan 2008, 4:16am

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Bryan M Block wrote:

You can used muzzle flashes and just about any compositing stock footage etc.. in Vegas without using FXHome products really, just using the different compositing modes. Vegas does not allow you just "generate music" at random. Sony does offers Cinescore as a plug in for generating music (I have it because I have the entire suite of Sony products) but I've never really used it. But, there are all kinds of loops and music that can be used directly in Vegas (it suppports ACID looping functions)
When I go to composite, all there is is Multiply. Is there a way to get everything in. I'm starting to think that they don't let you do everything in the demo. But since you have it, do they have "add" "screen" and stuff like that cause that would be cool. Keep in mind that I'm using Movie Platinum 8.0. Thanks
Posted: Mon, 21st Jan 2008, 1:14pm

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Movie studio 6 has built in tutorials, i'd imagine 8 would have the same.
Posted: Mon, 21st Jan 2008, 3:46pm

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Vegas Pro offers Add, screen, multiply, and several other compositing modes for tracks. I'm not sure if the cut down version does or not. Why not go to the help file that came with the program and look up "compositing" or "track modes" ?
Posted: Mon, 21st Jan 2008, 4:24pm

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Bryan M Block wrote:

Vegas Pro offers Add, screen, multiply, and several other compositing modes for tracks. I'm not sure if the cut down version does or not. Why not go to the help file that came with the program and look up "compositing" or "track modes" ?
Wow this is comfusing. I just saw on you tube ob vegas 6 and it had all these "add" "screen" overlay" stuff. It was on vegas 6. I have the demo for vegas movie studio platinum 8. Is what I have inferior or something? Cause it only has "Multiply" and that's it. Or is it just because it's the demo?
Posted: Mon, 21st Jan 2008, 4:39pm

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Look- the "movie studio" version of Vegas is not the PRO version of Vegas, so yes- Vegas 6 (the full version or "pro" version) probably had more features than the "movie studio" version of vegas, even if it is on version 8. If you click on the track compositing button, it should have a drop down list of what is available to you as far as compositing modes. the pro version of vegas offers unlimited video and audio tracks and several compositing modes. Vegas 8 PRO will have all of those features, click on the help tag in the menu bar to see what is available in Movie studio platinum.
Posted: Mon, 21st Jan 2008, 5:18pm

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So how much would sony vegas 6 cost by now? I looked online but everything is confusing. everywhere has different prices. I can't even get a free trial.
Posted: Mon, 21st Jan 2008, 5:41pm

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At B&H, you can buy a legitimate, new copy of Vegas 6 (the pro package) for $79. This offer DOES NOT include DVD Architect.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/434966-REG/Sony_SV6000DVD_Vegas_6_Video_Editing.html

If you want, you can then spend another $99 to upgrade to the full Vegas Pro 8, including DVD Architect.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/523371-REG/Sony_SVDVD8006_Upgrade_to_Vegas_Pro.html

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PS: I'm pretty sure Movie Studio and Platinum only have two options for compositing mode: Source Alpha and Multiply.
Posted: Mon, 21st Jan 2008, 6:05pm

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hey thanks man. I forgot about B&H. I think I'll get Sony Vegas 6. Cause if it's cheaper then Movie studio and have all these cool stuff, then I should check it out. Do you know if it does a good job capturing HD? Or export to HD? I want to capture files from my "future" HV20 then export them to high quality avi files so that they work with composite lab.
Posted: Mon, 21st Jan 2008, 7:20pm

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That is an amazing path to get to Vegas 8- In fact, as a long time Vegas user (since it was Vegas Video owned by Sonic Foundry) I'm absolutely furious that I don't get upgrade offers like that directly from Sony. Upgrading to Vegas 8 for me (I am a registered Vegas 7 user) would be 234.00 - now that includes DVD architect etc... but 99.00 is ridiculously low. I'd jump on both of those deals if I were you.
Posted: Mon, 21st Jan 2008, 11:56pm

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RodyPolis wrote:

hey thanks man. I forgot about B&H. I think I'll get Sony Vegas 6. Cause if it's cheaper then Movie studio and have all these cool stuff, then I should check it out. Do you know if it does a good job capturing HD? Or export to HD? I want to capture files from my "future" HV20 then export them to high quality avi files so that they work with composite lab.
Vegas 6, what I use, isn't made to handle HD. In fact, I'm not sure if it even has the ability to capture it to disk from its capture engine. Vegas 7 is HD-ready, and Vegas 8 Movie Studio/Platinum/Skimmed-Down-Version-of-Pro is your best bet. Chances are, from what I've gathered you know about NLEs and such, you'll do just fine without the 'Pro' version of Vegas, so to speak. Be it Vegas 6, 7, or 8.

Get a version of 7 or 8. Both support HD. 6 doesn't as far as I know.
Posted: Tue, 22nd Jan 2008, 12:54am

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This article tells me different.
http://digitalcontentproducer.com/hdhdv/prods/video_sony_vegas_2/
is there many versions of vegas 6. do I need to be careful with what I get?
That's from sony and it even says it does
http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/download/step2.asp?did=583
Posted: Tue, 22nd Jan 2008, 1:49am

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RodyPolis wrote:

This article tells me different.
http://digitalcontentproducer.com/hdhdv/prods/video_sony_vegas_2/
is there many versions of vegas 6. do I need to be careful with what I get?
That's from sony and it even says it does
http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/download/step2.asp?did=583
I'm telling you from experience with Vegas 6, don't get it. Not because it isn't fantastic, but because you're much better off with Vegas 7 or 8, especially with these cheaper lower versions.

You can get Vegas 6 (Essentially the 'Pro' version) for $100 at B & H Photo, this is true. But it comes with no box, no setup, no how-to tutorials, and most importantly no manual. Just a disk in a soft paper case with the serial number printed on a sticker.

It's not for you, really. From what I've gathered you're a more hands-on, ask-question kind of guy. And in my opinion you need something just like Vegas 8 Movie Studio Platinum. It's here and costs $120.

It's what, with your future plans, you need. I've got Vegas 5, Vegas 6, and Vegas Movie Studio 6 myself. If you're confident in Vegas 6 handling HD, buy Vegas Movie Studio *Basic*. (What used to be called Movie Studio 6. I don't think anything has changed in the year since then.)
Posted: Tue, 22nd Jan 2008, 2:01am

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the thing is not that I wouldn't want to get Vegas movie studio platinum, it's just that there's only one compositing mode, you can't mask. The main reason I wanted to get it is because I dont want to have to switch programs to add a few stock footages.
From what I've research so far, Vegas 6 have a lot of compositing modes, it can mask and all that. I want to get Platinum but everywhere I've looked says that vegas 6 is better
Posted: Tue, 22nd Jan 2008, 2:13am

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RodyPolis wrote:

the thing is not that I wouldn't want to get Vegas movie studio platinum, it's just that there's only one compositing mode, you can't mask. The main reason I wanted to get it is because I dont want to have to switch programs to add a few stock footages.
From what I've research so far, Vegas 6 have a lot of compositing modes, it can mask and all that. I want to get Platinum but everywhere I've looked says that vegas 6 is better
Again, you give and you get. And don't take this the wrong way, I don't mean to be offensive, but in my opinion you'll be overwhelmed by Vegas 6 and not know where to begin. Most of the tools you're seeing as making 6 better than Movie Studio Platinum will probably go underused and you might not even notice some of them. Heck, I don't even know all of them.

And that'd be a real shame when you could be using the newest version of the software in an easier-to-use environment. But again, that's just me.
Posted: Tue, 22nd Jan 2008, 5:59am

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I disagree- I say buy Vegas 6 AND the upgrade to Vegas PRO 8- it's 179.00 on the B&H website to do that. There is NEVER much in the box on Sony software anyway! You may as well jump in with both feet. I can't imagine that the cut down version is any "easier" to use really, since it performs basic editing the same way.
Posted: Tue, 22nd Jan 2008, 6:18am

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Bryan M Block wrote:

I disagree- I say buy Vegas 6 AND the upgrade to Vegas PRO 8- it's 179.00 on the B&H website to do that. There is NEVER much in the box on Sony software anyway! You may as well jump in with both feet. I can't imagine that the cut down version is any "easier" to use really, since it performs basic editing the same way.
For Rody, I disagree with you. Having extensively used both, I can safely say the skimmed-down version is slightly easier, has less distracting tools to be confused with that Rody would likely never use anyway, and I still stand by it being better for him. And it's $100 from Vegas 6 to Vegas Pro 8 on B&H, isn't it?

Either way, I was told to upgrade from Vegas 6 to 7 immediately at B&H when I bought it in New York, and it totally wasn't worth it. $179? Come on, that's 'spensive. Especially for someone with immediate prospects to get and use an HD camera like Rody.
Posted: Tue, 22nd Jan 2008, 1:08pm

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That's the hardest part about getting an HD camera: I have to upgrade in everything and it sucks.
My situation is weird. what I want is an NLE that supports HD and that can also import file to a high quality HD avi life for composite LAb Pro(which i was also thinking to buy) The reason I want to do that is because I might be doing something that needs stock footage.
Then I found out some vegas software can composite stuff kinda like Composite Lab can. So I was thinking to only buy one program then save time and money. But it's getting complicated witch makes me ask myself if I should even get the camera.
Then I was also thinking to just let go of the special effects world and focus more on directing and producing and editing. But then I realize that if I wanted to add something cool in a movie I wouldn't be able to.

Thanks you guys for your helps. I'll keep doing more research.
Posted: Tue, 22nd Jan 2008, 6:03pm

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Vegas Movie Studio platinum 8 is 109.00 - you can get both the Vegas 6 and the Vegas upgrade to 8 on B&H site for a total of 179.00. I say the extra 70.00 is WORTH IT, especially because the pro versions of Vegas will allow you to do many of the things you need external software to do, such as greenscreening, compositing, masking, etc... You will find that you can do many of the things you want to do right in Vegas- so, although the learning curve may be a tad frustrating at first, you will save money in the long run by just buying that path and it will set you on a future upgrade path for very little up front, and it will handle HD and HDV etc... The leap from Vegas 7 from Vegas 6 may not have been much, but I thought Vegas 6 was a suckers bet anyway- I skipped it and upgraded from Vegas 5 to 7, and it was a noticable improvement. I've tried the demo of Pro 8, and I'm still waiting for 9 to upgrade, I tend to skip a version wink and let the bugs get worked out. I wouldn't be surprised to see a new version within 12 months- the new titler needs some work...

Point 2, Canon is issuing the HV30, which means in theory that the HV20 should come down in price a smidge- I know that locally, Best Buy was selling the HV20 for $699 - which is about as cheap as I've seen it. You can still get it for $650: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/539985-REG/Canon__HV20_2_96MP_CMOS_HDV.html

For less than $850 you can get the camera and Vegas pro8- That's really an exceptional deal to get into HDV filmmaking.

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Posted: Tue, 22nd Jan 2008, 6:24pm

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Thanks man. But I'll take some time to think so I can make a better decision. I can't believe they're dropping the HV20's price already. Last week it was $679. I bet it might drop again once the HV30 comes out.