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Posted: Fri, 25th Jan 2008, 6:05am

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Hey guys.

So I'm thinking of up'ing my editing and moving to a more.......capable machine. Since I've just got a brand new and adequate Dell laptop for college stuff, I'm thinking I want a desktop simply for editing, multimedia, photoshop, etc. Just not college stuff.

I'm looking not to spend over $3,000 but I understand top-line machines can go upwards of that. I'm thinking 4GB RAM and 750GB-1TB of hard disk space, but past that I'm really open to anything. Quad Core? Core 2 Duo? AMD Athlon 64? Cooling important?

Obviously I want a PC and not a Mac, so I'm not looking for comments about the Mac Pro. I've reviewed it and don't wish to make the switch. Right now I've found about 3 machines that take my interest

The HP/Voodoo Blackbird 002
The Dell XPS 720 HC
The Alienware Area-51 7500

I've heard the best things about the Blackbird, but most of it is attributed to it's revolutionary and functional cooling system. How important is this? I'm not looking to spend $3,000 and I don't plan to make my own machine, but I would like to know if there are other reliable and cheaper options.

The cost is high, which puts this purchase at least a few months off, but I'm seriously switching from my trusty 2005 2GB Dell Dimension to something else. And while I love the notebook I've got now, where I think Ben and I are heading with film school and such it simply won't be adequate for what we do; even with adding RAM.

Input is much appreciated!
Posted: Fri, 25th Jan 2008, 6:45am

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Didn't you just get a new notebook less than 20 days ago?

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Posted: Fri, 25th Jan 2008, 6:52am

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ben3308 wrote:

Didn't you just get a new notebook less than 20 days ago?

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Shouldn't you already know that? You guys are the same person razz
Posted: Fri, 25th Jan 2008, 6:52am

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whoa whoa whoa...


You'll save at least $500 building it yourself. And it's ridiculously easy.

Quad core all the way. Get the Intel Q6600, because you can overclock it to 3 GHZ quite easily with the right mainboard.

also, Vegas is a very well multi-threaded app, and quad core makes it MUCH faster. Trust me.

Just by 2 750 GB harddrives. Consider the price, then realize that, if your 1 TB drive crashes, you'd probably cry.

4 GB of ram is great.

Get an above average video card, as most of the new applications can take advantage of them. (Most people recommend against this, but it's a fact). Make sure it has dual DVI outputs.


And buy 1 24" monitor. Not 2 22". I tried out both, and I went with a single 24" and a 17" nearby. It's brilliant.
Posted: Fri, 25th Jan 2008, 10:03am

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Just addendum to Bryce's post -

Storage space - think about how you structure it and what you need. Personally I'd take the 2x750Gig drives, then add a single 50-odd gig one for just the operating system and program files, swapfiles, etc - stuff you should never touch! Then (assuming you value your data), put the 2 750's into a mirrored pair (ie 750 gigs in total of files, but once on each drive) - that way if any of the three drives dies, you can either rebuild it from its image (the 750's) or from install disks (the OS drive) - but your data is always safe. You'll also find disk I/O may be a limiting factor for speed with a fancypants new system, so splitting the OS/temp drive and the storage array will help.
Posted: Fri, 25th Jan 2008, 10:51am

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Bear in mind most versions of Windows can't use more than 3GB of RAM.
Posted: Fri, 25th Jan 2008, 12:22pm

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Bear in mind most versions of Windows can't use more than 3GB of RAM.
64-bit. 128 GB limit.
Posted: Fri, 25th Jan 2008, 12:53pm

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A Pickle wrote:

Tarn wrote:

Bear in mind most versions of Windows can't use more than 3GB of RAM.
64-bit. 128 GB limit.
Don't forget the other 64-bit limit, though - nothing works.
Posted: Fri, 25th Jan 2008, 7:28pm

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I'm not aiming to make a computer or have someone build one for me. I've found there are always complications with home-built computer for/by people such as myself who aren't knowledgeable of it- be it overheating or some other random problems.

It's not something I'm looking into.
Posted: Fri, 25th Jan 2008, 9:20pm

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u shuld get a mac cuz they r teh best.

Seriously.

I agree with Bryce, get something that'll last. Computers double in power within two years. Also, you could definitely save a lot of money if you custom build, but I see you've already made up your mind on that.

That blackbird is looking pretty sweet if you ask me. If you really want to get a powerhouse, go for that. If I even had a PC that could stand next to that thing without sh*tting bolts, I'd be happy.
Posted: Fri, 25th Jan 2008, 9:21pm

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I myself would get the Dell XPS... But I'm just going to upgrade my computer later and not get a new one for at least another year.
Posted: Fri, 25th Jan 2008, 10:57pm

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Tarn wrote:

A Pickle wrote:

Tarn wrote:

Bear in mind most versions of Windows can't use more than 3GB of RAM.
64-bit. 128 GB limit.
Don't forget the other 64-bit limit, though - nothing works.
That isn't true -- particularly if you get a pre-built system. Otherwise, it's very easy to get 64-bit binaries of a lot of your programs, and if you can't... well, it's not too hard to run 32-bit programs with Windows on Windows.

Vista x64 has been selling especially well.

I also feel inclined to add that, it's not "most versions of Windows" that can't use 3.12 GB of RAM -- it's any 32-bit OS...
Posted: Sat, 26th Jan 2008, 1:17pm

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Only problem I have with buying a prebuilt system is all the crap they put on them. Useless software and addons you dont want or need. I'm about to upgrade my system in two weeks, but building it myself.

Bryce,

Any recommendation for Motherboard? I usually use Asus.
Posted: Sat, 26th Jan 2008, 5:14pm

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A Pickle wrote:


Vista x64 has been selling especially well.
Who are you trying to convince? Moreover, who cares how well it's been selling? It's obvious I said I only want a PC and Tarn is simply trying to provide cautionary advice. I've yet to see a real suggestion from you.
Posted: Sat, 26th Jan 2008, 8:59pm

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Atom wrote:

A Pickle wrote:


Vista x64 has been selling especially well.
Who are you trying to convince? Moreover, who cares how well it's been selling? It's obvious I said I only want a PC and Tarn is simply trying to provide cautionary advice. I've yet to see a real suggestion from you.
I think his point up to that statement was that if you bought a prebuilt PC that had 4GB of RAM, most likely it works or else the manufacturer wouldn't have put so much memory in the first place.
Posted: Sat, 26th Jan 2008, 9:00pm

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Atom wrote:

A Pickle wrote:


Vista x64 has been selling especially well.
Who are you trying to convince? Moreover, who cares how well it's been selling? It's obvious I said I only want a PC and Tarn is simply trying to provide cautionary advice. I've yet to see a real suggestion from you.
To me it looks like he is suggesting Vista x64 with the 4GB of RAM that you wanted in the first post, along with a 64 bit processor.
Posted: Sat, 26th Jan 2008, 9:14pm

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Atom wrote:

I'm looking not to spend over $3,000 but I understand top-line machines can go upwards of that. I'm thinking 4GB RAM and 750GB-1TB of hard disk space, but past that I'm really open to anything. Quad Core? Core 2 Duo? AMD Athlon 64? Cooling important?
You realize there are so many possible configurations that fit such a description that you'll receive dozens and dozens of PC recommendations by posters.

Half of those suggestions you'll throw out due to brand loyalty.
...another quarter due to reviews
...and maybe a couple more due to a "I don't really want this, I don't want that."


Why not first compile a list of what you know you'll need (is 4GB RAM really that important? looks like you know in general what you wish to use it for...but specifically, what?) What apps are you planning to use now vs in the future?

Note: you are not going to be able to predict everything that you might need in the future.

Then, based off of your needs, you should then consider the brands you are comfortable with (Dell it looks like).

After that, go on those manufacturers' websites and find models with the specs that fulfill your needs.


Or just build your own PC and add a ton of legroom in there to expand for future technology.
Posted: Mon, 28th Jan 2008, 7:38pm

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Aynone else have any suggestions?
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Mac Pro! razz
Posted: Tue, 29th Jan 2008, 3:15am

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Evman wrote:

Mac Pro! razz
Ditto.

Please actually consider it razz Even if you were just going to run windows on it, you can't go wrong with 8 cores. 4 is so old school right?

For $3,000 you could get:
Two 2.8GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon (8-core)
2GB (2 x 1GB)
320GB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s
NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT 512MB (Two dual-link DVI)
One 16x SuperDrive
Apple Mighty Mouse
Apple Keyboard (English) + Mac OS X

The problem with such a good processor is that a lot of the cost goes to that, but you can always upgrade the RAM and hard-drive for cheap real soon.

Nothing wrong with picking a great computer at a great price. Mac pro!
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But $3000 does not include the Production Studio, right?

Moreover, Atom's not versed in Final Cut, and frankly it'd be silly to invest thousands into editing in a program in which he has no expertise.

But I digress.....
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ben3308 wrote:

But $3000 does not include the Production Studio, right?

Moreover, Atom's not versed in Final Cut, and frankly it'd be silly to invest thousands into editing in a program in which he has no expertise.

But I digress.....
I have no expertise in Final Cut... But I will invest in it to learn it because I know NYU uses it heavily.
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I started using Premiere. Picking up FCP is incredibly easy if you've worked with another high-end editor like Vegas. I mean, I don't care what editing machine you get, but I personally prefer the Mac platform, it could grow on you. It is an option.

Also, if you DO go for Mac Pro, don't get your HD or RAM from Apple.com. You can get a bigger 7200rpm hard drive elsewhere for a better price, same with RAM. So just get the cheapest option and sell it, or find a way to get it without it (over the phone order?).

I'm not saying "get a Mac, it's your only option," but don't completely block it out. But I digress.....
Posted: Tue, 29th Jan 2008, 3:47am

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I've made my decision and I'll be stubborn on it. I'm more than capable of editing on FCP, and I've done so several times. And I don't despise it, but it simply isn't my cup of tea, infested in colleges or not. And I think we all can appreciate having our own tastes in how and what we like to edit in. For me, it's simply Vegas. I'll use FCP and Avid if school absolutely requires it. I might even become proficient in it. But my heart lies with Vegas and I doubt it'll ever falter.

That being said, let's not head down fanboy waters. With the exception of Evman's little quip: Come one. I know what Serpent is saying and hopefully my above statement fields that one.

I'm looking for something to give me a fast, top-notch, professional workflow in Sony Vegas 8 with HD footage and possible HD burning. I'm not trying to sound like a whiny b!tch here, but I did explicitly say I wasn't going to consider the Mac because of what I want the computer for. It's be outright ridiculous to get one, at least for me and for the price.

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Atom wrote:

I'm not trying to sound like a whiny b!tch here, but I did explicitly say I wasn't going to consider the Mac because of what I want the computer for. It's be outright ridiculous to get one, at least for me and for the price.
Then you'll be in for a nasty shock when basically everything you encounter in the filmmaking world even after college is running on a mac... unsure
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Evman wrote:


Then you'll be in for a nasty shock when basically everything you encounter in the filmmaking world even after college is running on a mac... unsure

Atom wrote:

I'll use FCP and Avid if school absolutely requires it. I might even become proficient in it. But my heart lies with Vegas and I doubt it'll ever falter.
I'll be just fine. The filmmaking world is what you make it. I'm not planning on sending my crew's footage off to someone else to edit, not even worrying about the industry for probably a good 5 years, so why care what people who have no effect on me edit on if I'm wanting to do my own editing myself, you know?

I'm not saying you're wrong at all, but I hope you see my point. Saying 'the industry runs on Avid' only works so many times before it completely wears thin and people realize they'll use what they want and really not care. The same is true with editing computer OS.

And still, SilverDragon aside I've only received semi-arguments about the advantages of homebuilt computers and Macs, the absolute only two things I explicitly expressed not caring or wanting to hear.
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ben3308 wrote:


But I digress.....
Dude, you always digress.
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Atom wrote:

A Pickle wrote:


Vista x64 has been selling especially well.
Who are you trying to convince? Moreover, who cares how well it's been selling? It's obvious I said I only want a PC and Tarn is simply trying to provide cautionary advice. I've yet to see a real suggestion from you.
Yeesh, calm down. I guess you seriously mis-construed what was a pretty poorly-expressed point, but I said Vista x64 "has been selling well" because it's (according to it's userbase) vastly superior to XP x64 as far as driver support, program compatibility, etc. Added to that, there're a lot of nice security features and advantages to running Vista in 64-bit mode, such as the PatchGuard kernel protection (preventing kernel access during runtime), the guarantee that HD content won't be downsampled to an SD resolution, and obviously the benefit of being able to address the full 4 GB of RAM + whatever amount of video RAM your graphics card has. It's also quite snappy, I understand.

Alienware
Whatever you do, do not get an Alienware. Personal experience with their "support" staff, if you can call it that, has indicated to me that even if you buy a $4,000 laptop with the 2-year warranty -- they'll still charge you component costs if you spill water in your laptop. If you lose the CD's (or in this day and age, DVD's) that came with your computer, you will pay $20 to get new ones shipped to you.

If you ever, say, pay a grandiose amount for Alienware system WITH a warranty... don't think that because you dropped a couple grand on a system that that company will give an extra deuce about you. I spilled water on my laptop, basically turning it into a brick. It didn't do anything when I hit the power button, it was, by every definition, dead. Alienware balked at covering it, despite the fact that I HAD purchased their warranty. After putting me on the phone for... probably an hour, as I dis-assembled my own computer under the "supervision" of an Alienware tech (he was on the phone, lying on the desk), to no avail. I made it very clear to them that IT WASN'T WORKING, BECAUSE I HAD SPILT WATER ON IT. Nonetheless, they had me remove EVERY component from my computer, and try to turn it on -- and obviously it failed every time, because as I had suspected from the start, the motherboard was the culprit. After this arduous experience, I re-assembled my laptop and asked if I should remove the hard drives and batteries, as Dell always has you do when you're sending in a computer. Alienware said, "No, because we need those components to test your computer." Frustrated enough, I worked up the courage to ask: "You mean to tell me that you don't have some industry standard 2.5" hard drives and batteries to your OWN DAMN LAPTOPS at your test facilities?"

There was an uneasy pause, and the tech came back on the phone, "No sir, we do not. We will need you to remove your OS password and back up your data, because there is a 50% chance that we will end up formatting your hard drives." I replied, "No, sir, maybe you didn't hear me. I spilled water on my laptop, IT DOESN'T BOOT. As a matter of fact, it doesn't do ANYTHING when I push the power button, would you mind explaining to me how I am to remove my OS password and backup my data WHEN MY COMPUTER WON'T TURN ON?"

Suffice to say, there's a $206.25 charge on my credit card that's currently in dispute between Alienware and myself. I will never, ever buy from that company again, and I will recommend that others follow suit.

Alienware is a sheep in wolf's clothing, really. And you won't be able to get NEARLY the hardware in it for the price -- Alienware is awfully (and needlessly) proud of themselves.


HP
HP isn't bad, but their self-support resources don't begin to compare to Dell's, and really -- they treat all of their customers like idiots. I balk whenever I have to go to HP's website to find information for an HP or a Compaq that I'm fixing. Sometimes drivers for the OS that I need are... er... missing. Entirely. If you buy an HP, prepare to receive one with a recovery partion taking up several GB of hard drive space, and enough bloatware to measure with a scale. The out-of-box experience with HP's is perfectly abysmal. A friend of mine purchased one of their 12.1" tablet-convertible laptops (Turion 64 X2 1.6 GHz, 2 GB RAM)... and it felt slower than my Compaq Presario 1700US (700 MHz Pentium III, 256 MB RAM).

A couple of friends of mine, awhile back, gave me an MS-6541 v2.0 motherboard with a 1.8 GHz Celeron, and told me that if I could get it to boot into Windows XP, I could have it. Apparently, they'd had all kinds of trouble getting it to work, and the culprit was neither the CPU or the board, but a faulty slot-load CD-ROM drive. I kept the computer, but I faced a problem: This "Compaq" was nothing but a pile of parts, loosely arranged and connected on a table. I wanted a case, and if I wanted a case, I'd need a way to connect the power button, reset button, and hard drive activity light to the motherboard. Also, I, being a geek, was dissatisfied with the performance of a 1.8 GHz Celeron, so I wanted to see what processors and what speeds that motherboard supported.

I searched for weeks. I didn't find ANY information on HP's OWN WEBSITE about that motherboard, which was apparently used in the Compaq Evo D310v Microtower PC. I found on some Spanish website that the fastest supported chip was a 2.66 GHz Pentium 4, and, don't ask me how (I honestly don't remember) but I'm pretty much the only person ON THE INTERNET who has proper documentation on how to connect a standard ATX computer case to that motherboard. Not even kidding -- I occasionally get e-mails from distressed Compaq Evo D310v owners who've opened the case (for various reasons) only to find that, by opening the case, they inadvertently disconnected the PWR, HDD, and RESET pin-outs.

Dell
So that leaves Dell, which I will recommend until they change their ways to those of the Evil Ones (HP). Dell offers you the option of simply getting a Windows re-installation disk, rather than wasting YOUR hard drive space which YOU paid for with a recovery partition that's just going to re-install Dell's bloatware anyways. Dell is also, as of late, taking a fairly pro-active stance against bloatware -- a modern Dell actually feels like a fast computer, and while there's obviously SOME pre-installed software on Dell machines, the software fairly frugal in the amounts of system resources it consumes, and there isn't gobsmacking loads of it. Should you opt to purchase a warranty, Dell WILL cover you. I have metric tons of CD's that I requested from Dell, and they sent them to me free of charge (with overnight shipping), a far cry from the $20 that Alienware charges.

Onsite self-help resources from Dell top anything from any other manufacturer, bar none. What other OEM will provide the consumer easy-access to information on how to remove the video card from their Inspiron E1705, a laptop? That's right: None. Most other OEMs regard their customers as complete morons, and are terrified of the possibility of a consumer, first off, not paying for an upgrade directly from them, and second off, breaking their computer at the same time. Which, I suppose is a legitimate qualm, but there is a level of corporate responsibility to provide me, the consumer, with information about the product I just bought. Particularly when it's a product I just dropped a couple grand on.

And then, if you happen to spill water (or in the case of my parents, a margarita) into your Dell, if you have the warranty + CompleteCare... you don't need to worry about that. When my parents were on vacation in the Caribbean, they spilled a margarita into the laptop. Apparently it still worked, but... was... "flaky," by their description. So they called Dell -- Dell overnighted a pre-paid, pre-foamed box to my parent's house, and instructed my parents to remove the hard drive and the battery before sending it in. They did, sealed the box and DHL picked it up the next day.

Over the next few days, my parents watched the sordid tale of their wounded E1705 unfold in their e-mail inbox, as Dell kept them up-to-date as to the status of the machine. Apparently, Dell deemed the laptop unfit for duty, and so it was replaced with a brand new E1705 loaded with Windows Vista Home Premium. They boxed it up, and sent it back. Total elapsed time: 8 days. I might add, when the computer showed up at my parent's house, it had a battery and a hard drive... and since my parents had already removed the battery and the hard drive... they now have two batteries. And one external hard drive (woohoo 2.5" external enclosures from Newegg). For free.

A new computer is half the purchase. The other half is the company standing behind you, or faltering behind you.
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ben3308 wrote:

But $3000 does not include the Production Studio, right?

Moreover, Atom's not versed in Final Cut, and frankly it'd be silly to invest thousands into editing in a program in which he has no expertise.

But I digress.....
You completely ignored what he was saying....Last time I checked macs can run windows....So a Mac Pro would be a fairly good option even if you never even want to touch Mac os X or Final Cut. I think that having a Mac would be an advantage. I really think that you two will have to use something other than Vegas if you are seriously considering moving forward in this industry. Having a Mac in case you ever are forced to learn Final Cut couldn't hurt.
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Sigh. I don't want a Mac, plain and simple. They are expensive, understandably, and I don't use FCP. Industry-shmindustry. If I'm forking over thousands of dollars, what wrong with going all out with what I'm most comfortable with and like the best to boot?

Ideally, yes, having a machine that runs both OSX and Windows would be an advantage. But why bother? Especially when I can almost guarantee you the programs and OS I want will run immensely better on a machine made for them.

Recommending a Mac running Windows as a substitution for PC is just plain silly, ssjohn. It's one of those statements that, to me, seems to usually come from the naive newbie that doesn't have solid advice or alternative to add. Surely you know that. And like I said, it's fanboyism on both sides, here. Except on my side, I'm open to all brands of PC.

I not trying to be whiny about this, really. But some of this Mac stuff seems vaguely fanboyish to me. Come on, now, john. It couldn't hurt; I guess you're right in one way there. But the opportunity cost of the computer for leaving OSX untouched too instead of dedicating it all towards Windows and inevitable losing potential speed and cost on another machine. Those certainly do hurt.
(And hey, isn't Aaron due back pretty soon? I was just now thinking about that.)

And A Pickle, thank you very much. +1 You're absolutely right. Half the battle is entirely the business sticking with you. That's why I've had a love/hate relationship with Dell for the past 7 or so years. smile The XPS is so gigantic and unsightly to me, though. I've looked into the smaller version and apparently the only significant difference is that overclocking it voids the warranty but doesn't on the larger XPS.

I realize the advantages to overclocking and the disadvantages to voiding the warranty, but the pricetag drops by a couple thousand when you take it out of the equation, which is cool. I had the Dell store (only one in the world and it's in my mall. woot!) draw me up an estimate and it was pretty nice.

1TB disk space, 3GB RAM, Blu-Ray Burner/Player, Intel Quad-Core, and a 24" LCD all for $2,000. I wanted to buy it right there. I'm surprised I never even looked at them.
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The XPS is so gigantic and unsightly to me, though. I've looked into the smaller version and apparently the only significant difference is that overclocking it voids the warranty but doesn't on the larger XPS.
Well, and the build quality. This may have changed in recent builds, but Dell has a known habit of building gaming/high-performance machines to look cool, rather than actually being functional to their end. I used to drag my old Dell desktop from LAN party to LAN party, and upgraded it every time I had enough money to. This resulted in... well... death incarnate on the case. I wish I had it here at my house, I'd take a picture of it.

Of course, lugging a desktop around just to hang out at a LAN party quickly became arduous... and so I bought myself a laptop and now live as a much happier man. biggrin

If you don't plan on moving your desktop around particularly much (which is most people), and you don't plan on fiddling with the insides very often -- then Dell XPS build-quality will do. It isn't good, but frankly, neither are anyone else's -- and Dell's will do just fine.

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I realize the advantages to overclocking and the disadvantages to voiding the warranty, but the pricetag drops by a couple thousand when you take it out of the equation, which is cool.
I don't really see the need to a warranty with desktops, either. Laptops are a whole other magilla, because they use proprietary parts that can't be found on websites -- and so you're constrained to the makers parts. Desktops? Well, that's different. You can pretty much repair any desktop on your own, despite what the manufacturer tells you. Be intrepid -- don't let proprietary CPU heatsink/fan mounts dissuade you! biggrin
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Go for Dell, or build your own. Those are the two routes that seem to work for people, depending on their personal tech skills.

With the former you get peace of mind of having Dell's support structure should anything go wrong, and with the latter you can get a better machine for much cheaper but also have the added stress of building/fixing it yourself.

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Tarn wrote:

mammaries-up
Is that... a brit thing?
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Just about to say the same thing, Pooky.
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Well, guess I win then smile
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I not trying to be whiny about this, really. But some of this Mac stuff seems vaguely fanboyish to me. Come on, now, john.
It's not really fanboyish, it's basically us trying to tell you that no one uses Vegas in the industry.
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Quick little tidbit:

UT's film department is furnished full of Macs, a lot of training is done on them. Having seen my brother work in Vegas at home and Final Cut at school, I know he's really, really good in Vegas and only average in Final Cut. I honestly think my brother does not want a big desktop machine to 'learn the trade', but to continue to make successful films.

After all, he'll learn the trade in film school, but to graduate with proper accolades (and to make better films overall, frankly) he knows he'll work better with what he's known for years.

After all, the film school trains you in Final Cut, but let's you take EDL's so you can edit on whatever you want while not in class (they said this at the seminar at Austin, we were sure to ask). If Atom works leagues better in Vegas, and it's of comparable capability editing-wise (as in, it's not ignorant not to use Final Cut because it doesn't have a surplus of features over Vegas) then there's really no reason to disparage buying a PC, industry standard or not.

Aaaaand, not to mention you get so so so much more for your money on a PC.
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Ha. I agree with virtually everything the notorious Adams have said...
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-Quad Core
-Definatelty 4 GB RAM
-1 TB Hard Dive & a 500 GB HDD
-Antec 750 watt pw suply
-lightscribe drive (18X- allws you to avoid external drives
-Go for a 30" monitor


Oh... by the way, he said he didn't want a Mac. I think this is the logical choice, but we don't want to get into that argument again.
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Ha. I agree with virtually everything the notorious Adams have said...
You have no idea. You inspired me.
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Pooky wrote:

Tarn wrote:

mammaries-up
Is that... a brit thing?
Tarn was being polite - the actual saying is "t*ts up" (t*ts (with an i not a *) being slang for breasts. It basically means all gone wrong and probably arises from the saying "going a*se over t*t" which derives from the phrase "falling head over heels".

I've been following this thread because I'm trying to decide between a Dell system or a self-build for my son. I've built a good few PCs in my time so I'm not phased by the task but by the time you've added the cost of an OS and monitor etc it gets hard to argue for self build with some of the cheap offers Dell have available.

The only two things putting me off (other than missing out on the sense of self-satisfication from self-building) are Dell's poor choice of graphics card options and the plethora of 60 day trial" software preinstalled for my convenience. From previous experience removing all trace of these programs can be a length pain in the butt. Has anyone bought a Dell in the recent months (esp. in the UK) who can pass on their experiences?

Thanks
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Jack just bought a Dell laptop and has had to reinstall Windows a couple of times already, and I believe they provided him with the wrong install discs too.

My dad got a Dell a year-or-so back and it came full of so much crap I wiped the hard drives and installed a fresh (legit) copy of XP we had lying around from his previous machine.

The first thing I'd recommend doing when getting a Dell would be to format the hard drives. smile
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Thanks - that's made my mind up, I'm going to build it myself. I also get the Cool Dad prize for that as well! wink
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Another advantage to Dell, I guess, would be the only Dell store in the world is just a few miles away from me and they do local warranty service. And then, the manufacturing plant is only half an hour away, which makes getting replacement batteries and such very easy.

To me it's just a local company, I guess. Which has its pros and cons.
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I hear if you're within a three-hour drive from the factory, Michael Dell will personally hand deliver any part you ordered. Now that's Texan work ethic right there...
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He shakes your hand after each delivery, too. They were very clammy.
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"Mister Notorious"?

Haha, I would agree, but I don't think you deserve the name. If I could change it, it would be more like, "Miss Notorious." razz

Really though, I hope you're happy with your choice of a PC. Have you decided what monitors you're going to use?
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I didn't relize you changed your name, I just thought it was a new guy with your Avatar...
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Yeah pretty please turn it back, I can tell that's going to get on my nerves. It's one thing to go from "evman101" to Evman, but to completely change names? Laaaaaaaaaaaame. razz
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petet2 wrote:

Pooky wrote:

Tarn wrote:

mammaries-up
Is that... a brit thing?
Tarn was being polite - the actual saying is "t*ts up" (t*ts (with an i not a *) being slang for breasts. It basically means all gone wrong and probably arises from the saying "going a*se over t*t" which derives from the phrase "falling head over heels".
Oh, you mean like "belly up"?
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I've logged into his account and changed his name (again), courteously wiring him 194 force as amends. I, too, can't stand the name.

Reminds me of when I changed mine to 'BenThirtyThreeOEight'. What a strange, wondrous time that was. biggrin
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That was also when Aculag changed his name to FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF or however many there were. Oh how I miss those days. razz
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Harvey wrote:

That was also when Aculag changed his name to FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF or however many there were. Oh how I miss those days. razz
When Aculag changed his name to FFFFFFFFFFFFFF I changed mine to "Aculag". My, oh, my that was a confusing time.
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Atom wrote:

Harvey wrote:

That was also when Aculag changed his name to FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF or however many there were. Oh how I miss those days. razz
When Aculag changed his name to FFFFFFFFFFFFFF I changed mine to "Aculag". My, oh, my that was a confusing time.
So did I (on my old account). He had to ask for it back. I was reserving it I suppose. smile What's this topic about again? Macs?
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Dude honestly go with the alienware. I got my Area-51 two years ago and it runs like new... i love it!
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Phantom48 wrote:

Dude honestly go with the alienware. I got my Area-51 two years ago and it runs like new... i love it!
Oh my god, don't go with the Alienware. Go with the Dell.