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Posted: Tue, 29th Jan 2008, 4:15pm

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Well, the game has been sold already in Japan, of course not legally. razz And there have been many big spoilers crawling around the interwebs. If you haven't been following the game, three characters were leaked last week:Lucario (Pokemon), Jigglypuff (Pokemon), and Ness is returning. However, last night at midnight a new video was released, the official intro to the Japanese version, which leaked SEVEN more characters, they are: Marth, Luigi, Mr. Game and Watch, Ganondorf, Robot (R.O.B.), Falco, and Captain Falcon. For those that didn't want to be spoiled, good for you. It was pretty much an accident that I found out about the characters. Here's the intro for those that haven't seen it yet.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=f4R97lqJqvk (I couldn't get embed to work.)


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Posted: Tue, 29th Jan 2008, 5:25pm

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Well, from what I've seen it's going to be good. I'm hoping that Masahiro Sakurai can top Melee.

On the subject of characters, I'm glad Falco is returning. I always liked him more than Fox.
Posted: Tue, 29th Jan 2008, 7:15pm

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For those wishing to see pretty much ALL the info, I made this video compilation of the biggest images:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOD-xyoKgVk
Posted: Tue, 29th Jan 2008, 8:19pm

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I don't know... that pic of Ganondorf looks fake.
Posted: Tue, 29th Jan 2008, 9:23pm

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The Ganondorf pic is legit. Check any Smash forum, everything film freak says is true.

Semi-spoiler: Windwaker Link has a Dark Link costume, which is damn awesome. I LOVE the Green Hill Zone stage. Not a fan of ROB, they could've have picked a better character. Game and Watch was the WTF character from Melee, ROB was Mario Kart. Should've scrapped both or came up with something different. They nerfed Sheik's fair, which is awesome. I am glad they are further trying to level it out.

What makes me angry is that there are so few unlockable characters. I like playing competetively and stuff, but earning the characters is kind of fun, and I'll miss that. Perhaps there are more, but based on the leaks and insiders etc.: looks like 35 is all. I dig the new Final Destination as well. Also, I hate how they call him "toon" Link. Make it "Young Link," or something. Unofficial adjectives are silly sounding.

Also, spoilers: Wolf is in Brawl. There haven't been any posted screens yet, he's the last to unlock.

CHARACTER SPOILER:



There's a Photoshop (probably) of the layout of what the final select screen will look like (they used a screenshot of the actual character select screen and added wolf to the Star Fox column and moved people around accordingly. I can't wait to see all the stages, and all the items.

Ganondorf's final Smash is him turning into Ganon.


STAGE SPOILERS:

Port town from F-Zero GX was confirmed.


Final Destination:

+ All Star Mode, and Toon Link

Green Hill Zone


Tetra's Ship


Ridley and Meta Ridley confirmed as 1 player mode bosses.

Not sure what this is, something from 1 player...


More 1 player:


Translates to "Taboo," not sure what it is


NEW 1 player Gameplay footage: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XopUGD7bN2o

NOT RETURNING PLAYERS:
Doctor Mario
Mewtwo
Pichu
Roy
OoT Young Link

Gameplay footage: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgVH9OGugSo

FOR MORE INFO AND GAMEPLAY FOOTAGE GO HERE: http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=139525
Ignore the "bomberman confirmed" thing. That is an old Photoshop.
Posted: Tue, 29th Jan 2008, 11:14pm

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Grr, damn Japanese... They're release only gets pushed back a week while we have to wait a whole extra month... neutral
Posted: Tue, 29th Jan 2008, 11:54pm

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Isn't ridley a boss? I think i saw a pic of it somewhere...
Posted: Wed, 30th Jan 2008, 12:07am

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PSFreak wrote:

Isn't ridley a boss? I think i saw a pic of it somewhere...
Yep, in Subspace Emissary. It's in film freak's video. So badass.
Posted: Wed, 30th Jan 2008, 12:20am

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Serpent wrote:

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Isn't ridley a boss? I think i saw a pic of it somewhere...
Yep, in Subspace Emissary. It's in film freak's video. So badass.
+10 force to you for those screens. Unfortunently, it seems that smashboards is down, and I know that brawlcentral is down as well. Toon Link looks badass, but I'd rather they add in a completely new character. =/

Also, there are several SSE videos that pretty much reveal Marth's full story, I'll update when I find them.

EDIT: Here be the vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2CoD2zWHj8
Posted: Wed, 30th Jan 2008, 2:18am

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Thanks for posting this topic film freak. I was going to, but I never got around to it.

Spoilers From here on out:

About all of the leaks last night... Wow. I almost couldn't sleep. But when I heard this morning that the "leaked" roster was real I was so disappointed. But I've now realized that I really like some of new additions (Lucario, Captain Olimar, Snake) so I'll be fine with the roster. Though R.O.B. better be amazing because he's probably the lamest addition to this game next to the gimped online matchmaking. Did anyone catch the intro video also? stun (I bet most of you have)

here's an official pic of the roster screen:

I think I see enough room for at the most, 2 more characters. I know Wolf will be in (he's a badass by the way), but I have hope that we might get a 36th character. My reason is because of what I just said, and also because I just don't see Wolf being the final unlockable. I bet the final character will be Takamaru (is that what he's called?) from the japan only game. It could also be Geno. Because Wolf just isn't the "whoa, I wasn't expecting that one!" character like Game and Watch was in Melee.

Oh and what about all of the music in the game? Sakurai is nuts! biggrin There's just so much damn stuff on the disc. I bet it's going to be a dual-layer disc.

One last thing. The SSE story was a collaboration of Sakurai's and Kazushige Nojima's (story creator of Final Fantasy VII) idea's. Wow... Just wow.

Game of the Forever (for Nintendo fans) confirmed.

EDIT:
BTW, is anyone here an IGN Insider?

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Posted: Wed, 30th Jan 2008, 2:32am

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I never did see what was such a big deal about the Super Smash Bros. games. I played Melee and it was pretty fun after learning the complicated controls but I still don't see why the games get this much attention. I also don't quite get why everyone seems to be so obsessed with what characters are in the games, when people say that they're looking forward to the new SSB the first thing they usually say is that it has a bunch of new characters. Not that the games are terrible of anything but I just don't see what the big deal is. Maybe I'll get this game, maybe I won't, I guess it really depends on what other games come out for the Wii. But no matter what good games come out, I must say, I don't think I've ever played anything quite like Rayman and Rayman 2, no matter what other platform or action games I look into, nothing touches toughs two.


This is kind of off topic but I thought that while we're on the subject of video games I might as well post something that I've been curios about for quite a while. When people talk about graphics they say that the higher the frame rate the game runs at the "smoother" the graphics are. This doesn't make sense to me because film runs at 24 FPS and looks perfect, it's also my understanding that the human eye senses things at roughly the same rate, so why would video games look in anyway better running at 60+ FPS? We wouldn't really even be able to detect the extra frames. I was thinking that the reason might be because when a video game system performs complex tasks the frame rate begins to lag, maybe if it was running at 60 FPS and if it lagged down to 30 you wouldn't be able to tell the difference, but how does this explain when people say the frame rate is "smooth"? To me it seems like if they just left the frame rate at 24 or 30 the systems would have be able to use more rendering power to make better looking graphics.
Posted: Wed, 30th Jan 2008, 2:41am

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Jabooza,
If you're playing a game and it starts to lag big time, it means that the framerate dipped/dropped. So say that that in the game your walking and all of a sudden there's a huge explosion that takes up the entire screen and all of sudden you only see your character moving only every couple of seconds. That's because the framerate could have been at 30fps and then dropped to 5fps.

That's why a 60fps framerate is good because it makes smoother motion because you see more motion in one second than 24. But I'm pretty darn sure that film motion and video game motion work completely differently.
Posted: Wed, 30th Jan 2008, 2:50am

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FreshMentos: for online, just stick to friend codes. Just find challenges on forums and stuff. Yeah, it's a hassle, but I am very pleased with the online relative to their past online modes. Random matches: I'll have fun with that just to mess around when I'm bored.

Question: Does anyone know what friend code online is like? Is it customizable? If you can't turn off items, change it to stock, pick the stage, etc. I'll be pissed. Guess it'd be back to traditional hanging with friends and finding events and tourneys on Smash Boards (if they accept the game, which they probably won't because they're whiny b*tches and new playing style scares them.)

Tiny feature: not sure if you guys have read this, but exploding boxes are now marked, which makes item mode a little more geared toward skill, which is always good (especially if you turn off the right items). I like stuff like that.

Also: look at the character select screen: if you add Wolf to the Fox/Falco column, Bowser goes to Mario column, Wario to other Mario character column, toon Link to Zelda, etc. It ends up being perfect. Unless they add a column or a row, there aren't any new characters. It would mess up that perfection.

Lastly: Falco is bound to be a Fox clone, I wonder if Wolf will be the same. Wolf = badass, I hope they bring something new to him. How about Ganondorf and WW Link? Are they clones as well (I HATE the fact that Ganondorf was a C. Falcon clone, there is so much you can do with Ganondorf: sword, magic, etc...)? Lucas is already a Ness clone. I hope they are at least as different as Luigi/Mario, at least. And whoever played that SSE video was horrible. smile Glad they posted it, cool to see Marth and the game in action in general, but still, come on. They don't deserve it, oh how I envy them.

EDIT: Ganondorf is a f***ing clone. COME ON. That's ridiculous. F-Zero character != Ganondorf. Ganondorf has had a badass sword, two badass swords, magical powers. What the hell? The roster is just so near perfect, why did they do this? Apparently WW Link is also a clone. That's somewhat acceptable I suppose. He might be slightly different, awaiting video upload from a user on another forum. Wolf is probably a clone as well. If there aren't more characters, I'm going to be a bit disappointed. There are a lot of characters, yeah, but it feels like this near perfect game just has these obvious things that would make it ultimate.

EDIT: Toon Link is a clone, but that's fine with me. I wish this guy used his grab in the video. Hook shot or no? I like the way he plays.
Ganondorf footage:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FeeIYr5wW78

Jabooza wrote:

I never did see what was such a big deal about the Super Smash Bros. games. I played Melee and it was pretty fun after learning the complicated controls but I still don't see why the games get this much attention. I also don't quite get why everyone seems to be so obsessed with what characters are in the games, when people say that they're looking forward to the new SSB the first thing they usually say is that it has a bunch of new characters. Not that the games are terrible of anything but I just don't see what the big deal is. Maybe I'll get this game, maybe I won't, I guess it really depends on what other games come out for the Wii. But no matter what good games come out, I must say, I don't think I've ever played anything quite like Rayman and Rayman 2, no matter what other platform or action games I look into, nothing touches toughs two.
Each character has different way of playing. If there was one character, there would only be one set of moves. So people who play the game like the variety, and they also like the novelty of new characters, it's fun and often nostalgic. If you played Smash avidly with friends, you'd get it more. I recommend playing it, but it's not something you can just pick up an play, it almost has a learning curve because it's so different.

SSBB is so different for several reasons: they completely redesigned the engine. They added a story mode. New characters (see above for why that is SO important), new stages to play on, tons of music, online, tons of features. They also saw some of the flaws in Melee's engine and leveled things out. Melee also had most of its replay value in multiplayer, which is fine. But they added that to one player and online stuff. They also made it more varied. Clone characters (Fox/Falco) have basically the same moveset. There are much less of these in Brawl, just tons of variety. It's just new and improved everything. If you played Smash a lot, you'd understand I suppose. But again, it's something you kind of have to get into to fully appreciate. A lot of people also play Smash competitively at tournaments and stuff as it's an incredibly deep fighter. If you went to http://smashboards.com and looked at the advanced how to play stuff, character sub forums, and even tried to read some people's posts, you'd see how complex that is. Unfortunately Smash Boards is down due to how many people are obsessed with it right now.
Posted: Wed, 30th Jan 2008, 3:02am

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FreshMentos: for online, just stick to friend codes. Just find challenges on forums and stuff. Yeah, it's a hassle, but I am very pleased with the online relative to their past online modes. Random matches: I'll have fun with that just to mess around when I'm bored.
I plan to actually play only use friend codes. There could have actually been a point to playing random matches if you knew you were fighting a real person razz

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EDIT: Ganondorf is a f***ing clone. COME ON. That's ridiculous. F-Zero character != Ganondorf. Ganondorf has had a badass sword, two badass swords, magical powers. What the hell? The roster is just so near perfect, why did they do this? Apparently WW Link is also a clone. That's somewhat acceptable I suppose. He might be slightly different, awaiting video upload from a user on another forum. Wolf is probably a clone as well. If there aren't more characters, I'm going to be a bit disappointed. There are a lot of characters, yeah, but it feels like this near perfect game just has these obvious things that would make it ultimate.
If Ganondorf is indeed another clone, that's an even dumber decision than R.O.B. as a character. His other specials or attacks better involve his sword or magic! With all of the effort to pack the game full of content, you would have at least thought that there would have been way more effort put into the game's most important aspect...
Posted: Wed, 30th Jan 2008, 3:04am

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Watch the gameplay video I posted. He is indeed a clone. sad

@Jabooza again: thought of a good analogy: To someone who doesn't play the game, a new character is like a new football team in a Madded game. Doesn't really add to the gameplay, other than different stats. This isn't different stats. In reality, a new character is different gameplay for each character, and those characters interact differently.

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Posted: Wed, 30th Jan 2008, 3:07am

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Serpent wrote:

FreshMentos: for online, just stick to friend codes. Just find challenges on forums and stuff. Yeah, it's a hassle, but I am very pleased with the online relative to their past online modes. Random matches: I'll have fun with that just to mess around when I'm bored.

Question: Does anyone know what friend code online is like? Is it customizable? If you can't turn off items, change it to stock, pick the stage, etc. I'll be pissed. Guess it'd be back to traditional hanging with friends and finding events and tourneys on Smash Boards (if they accept the game, which they probably won't because they're whiny b*tches and new playing style scares them.)

Tiny feature: not sure if you guys have read this, but exploding boxes are now marked, which makes item mode a little more geared toward skill, which is always good (especially if you turn off the right items). I like stuff like that.

Also: look at the character select screen: if you add Wolf to the Fox/Falco column, Bowser goes to Mario column, Wario to other Mario character column, toon Link to Zelda, etc. It ends up being perfect. Unless they add a column or a row, there aren't any new characters. It would mess up that perfection.

Lastly: Falco is bound to be a Fox clone, I wonder if Wolf will be the same. Wolf = badass, I hope they bring something new to him. How about Ganondorf and WW Link? Are they clones as well (I HATE the fact that Ganondorf was a C. Falcon clone, there is so much you can do with Ganondorf: sword, magic, etc...)? Lucas is already a Ness clone. I hope they are at least as different as Luigi/Mario, at least. And whoever played that SSE video was horrible. smile Glad they posted it, cool to see Marth and the game in action in general, but still, come on. They don't deserve it, oh how I envy them.

EDIT: Ganondorf is a f***ing clone. COME ON. That's ridiculous. F-Zero character != Ganondorf. Ganondorf has had a badass sword, two badass swords, magical powers. What the hell? The roster is just so near perfect, why did they do this? Apparently WW Link is also a clone. That's somewhat acceptable I suppose. He might be slightly different, awaiting video upload from a user on another forum. Wolf is probably a clone as well. If there aren't more characters, I'm going to be a bit disappointed. There are a lot of characters, yeah, but it feels like this near perfect game just has these obvious things that would make it ultimate.

EDIT: Toon Link is a clone, but that's fine with me. I wish this guy used his grab in the video. Hook shot or no? I like the way he plays.
Ganondorf footage:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FeeIYr5wW78

Jabooza wrote:

I never did see what was such a big deal about the Super Smash Bros. games. I played Melee and it was pretty fun after learning the complicated controls but I still don't see why the games get this much attention. I also don't quite get why everyone seems to be so obsessed with what characters are in the games, when people say that they're looking forward to the new SSB the first thing they usually say is that it has a bunch of new characters. Not that the games are terrible of anything but I just don't see what the big deal is. Maybe I'll get this game, maybe I won't, I guess it really depends on what other games come out for the Wii. But no matter what good games come out, I must say, I don't think I've ever played anything quite like Rayman and Rayman 2, no matter what other platform or action games I look into, nothing touches toughs two.
Each character has different way of playing. If there was one character, there would only be one set of moves. So people who play the game like the variety, and they also like the novelty of new characters, it's fun and often nostalgic. If you played Smash avidly with friends, you'd get it more. I recommend playing it, but it's not something you can just pick up an play, it almost has a learning curve because it's so different.

SSBB is so different for several reasons: they completely redesigned the engine. They added a story mode. New characters (see above for why that is SO important), new stages to play on, tons of music, online, tons of features. They also saw some of the flaws in Melee's engine and leveled things out. Melee also had most of its replay value in multiplayer, which is fine. But they added that to one player and online stuff. They also made it more varied. Clone characters (Fox/Falco) have basically the same moveset. There are much less of these in Brawl, just tons of variety. It's just new and improved everything. If you played Smash a lot, you'd understand I suppose. But again, it's something you kind of have to get into to fully appreciate. A lot of people also play Smash competitively at tournaments and stuff as it's an incredibly deep fighter. If you went to http://smashboards.com and looked at the advanced how to play stuff, character sub forums, and even tried to read some people's posts, you'd see how complex that is. Unfortunately Smash Boards is down due to how many people are obsessed with it right now.
Toon Link = God. razz BTW, IDT that falco is an exact clone, in one of the SSE stills, he has two guns. Hopefully he'll be able to play with both though.
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Serpent wrote:


Each character has different way of playing. If there was one character, there would only be one set of moves. So people who play the game like the variety, and they also like the novelty of new characters, it's fun and often nostalgic. If you played Smash avidly with friends, you'd get it more. I recommend playing it, but it's not something you can just pick up an play, it almost has a learning curve because it's so different.
I understand that, but it just seems like people get more focused on the characters than other aspects of the game even though there already are so many of them, as you say though, I'd probably care more if I was big into playing it.
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@Serpent
I did watch it. But it only showed his up special. It did look like C. Falcon's. But he could have different specials that include his sword and magic (though I doubt it at this point). C'mon Sakurai! What were you guys thinking!? evil

C. Falcon's moveset was completely made up. Why is Ganondorf a clone when he has his own original moveset?

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Jabooza wrote:

Serpent wrote:


Each character has different way of playing. If there was one character, there would only be one set of moves. So people who play the game like the variety, and they also like the novelty of new characters, it's fun and often nostalgic. If you played Smash avidly with friends, you'd get it more. I recommend playing it, but it's not something you can just pick up an play, it almost has a learning curve because it's so different.
I understand that, but it just seems like people get more focused on the characters than other aspects of the game even though there already are so many of them, as you say though, I'd probably care more if I was big into playing it.
A lot of people play competitively. So a new character is probably the most important thing to competitive players because that character could be the one character they use. The one character they are best with. Stages are probably next, but they don't affect gameplay quite as much. 1 player stuff to them might not even matter, they are all about some multiplayer. Personally, I love almost every update and new thing as I like all aspects of the game really.

This topic is moving too fast for me. smile




EDIT UPDATE:

Building Stages + Luigi's Mansion Confirmed:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmFhcebChAI

ElectroPlankton Stage (wicked!):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzuZyIXyyvA
This could just be an event, but the internet seems to think it's also a stage, I hope so. Looks fantastic.
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The last Iwata Asks interview with Sakurai is up. Link

They talk about how the series started and the inclusion of snake and sonic.
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I've ordered the Japanese version of the game via import, going to use online translation documentation to get a hang of the menus and stuff. Don't tell me it won't work because of region locking. On mine it will, I have my ways. Scheduled to get here Monday, could get here later or as early as Saturday. I am so damn pumped.
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Serpent wrote:

I've ordered the Japanese version of the game via import, going to use online translation documentation to get a hang of the menus and stuff. Don't tell me it won't work because of region locking. On mine it will, I have my ways. Scheduled to get here Monday, could get here later or as early as Saturday. I am so damn pumped.
Where'd you order from?
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Serpent wrote:

I've ordered the Japanese version of the game via import, going to use online translation documentation to get a hang of the menus and stuff. Don't tell me it won't work because of region locking. On mine it will, I have my ways. Scheduled to get here Monday, could get here later or as early as Saturday. I am so damn pumped.
I'd rather just wait the month than play it in English. Even if I had a translator. Serpent, mind telling us your impressions on the game? And also if there is an option to play it in English?


EDIT:
Wolf confirmed... HE'S another damn Fox Clone!!1!1!!11! What the hell... Seriously... What a missed opportunity.

Here's pics anyway:
Wolf


Wolf's Moves


Final Character Roster Select screen
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FreshMentos wrote:

Serpent wrote:

I've ordered the Japanese version of the game via import, going to use online translation documentation to get a hang of the menus and stuff. Don't tell me it won't work because of region locking. On mine it will, I have my ways. Scheduled to get here Monday, could get here later or as early as Saturday. I am so damn pumped.
I'd rather just wait the month than play it in English. Even if I had a translator. Serpent, mind telling us your impressions on the game? And also if there is an option to play it in English?
I'll definitely post impressions. I know I'm ridiculous for doing all this importing stuff, but I'm all about some multiplayer. I can wait for playing 1 player properly with english.

Film Freak: I wouldn't recommend importing now. You have to research mod chips and Smash is selling out in Japan, it'd be hard to get after release. It cost me about $70 for the game, and $60 for the other thing... So yeah, I'm pumped. Should get here by next Wednesday.


I'm pumped about Wolf though, wish he wasn't a clone, but still. Here's Wolf gameplay:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0H6uRcUADi8

New stage:
Mt. Coronet from Pokemon


Full shot of Luigi's Mansion


Other screen shot - All Star mode
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I can't wait to use the stage builder!
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Here is the ridley pic http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z86/Hellbornxx/17.jpg
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In approximately 2 hours from now, a user from the IGN Wii Message boards who lives in Japan will be doing a live stream of Brawl Here. Unfortunately he's using a web cam and he's shooting it on a CRT, but It's better than nothing.
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Lots of new videos. Currently watching that feed. And anticipating the ship. And putting off school work. smile

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3165717

+1 for that feed by the way. Hadn't heard of that. I'm "CPOStudios" in the chat (not Serpent01, just noticed that.)
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Serpent wrote:

Lots of new videos. Currently watching that feed. And anticipating the ship. And putting off school work. smile

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3165717

+1 for that feed by the way. Hadn't heard of that. I'm "CPOStudios" in the chat (not Serpent01, just noticed that.)
sad *Cries* damn, I was hoping it wouldn't cost so much for a mod chip.
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Shoot! I got booted from the live stream! Lame. I wasn't even a ustreamer either!
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It was released in japan today and frankly i'm jealous/annoyed.

if theyc an release it in japan, why not send it over to the UK, (And i guess America? biggrin)

Anyway does anyone know how i can preorder it?
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After erading all the info on these pages I am now mroee xcited than ever about this game. I thought Toon Link was a hoaxe, but he looks awesome in it.

I think two fox clones is pretty stupid, but as long as there is some variation it wil be ok, I guess.

Luigi looks awesome, as ever. And luigis mansion.
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has anyone else noticed that in the screenshot that shows all the characters they call bowser 'Koopa'? i wonder what thats all about
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Link123456,
Your best option is to do what Serpent did, mod your Wii and buy it when it comes out in America. I'm not sure if it would work on your Wii though because it is PAL. You'll have to look into that.

Luigi does look cool, but his final smash is really weird. It's like he makes everyone drunk. I just wished he used his vacuum cleaner.
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hmm... na I think if anything is worth the wait, this is.

They might do preorders at gamestation or whatever
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Link123456 wrote:

It was released in japan today and frankly i'm jealous/annoyed.

if theyc an release it in japan, why not send it over to the UK, (And i guess America? biggrin)

Anyway does anyone know how i can preorder it?
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After erading all the info on these pages I am now mroee xcited than ever about this game. I thought Toon Link was a hoaxe, but he looks awesome in it.

I think two fox clones is pretty stupid, but as long as there is some variation it wil be ok, I guess.

Luigi looks awesome, as ever. And luigis mansion.
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has anyone else noticed that in the screenshot that shows all the characters they call bowser 'Koopa'? i wonder what thats all about
Well, they also call R.O.B "robot", and a few others have odd names. Jigglypuff's started with a Z, I'm pretty sure. razz Is there a video of Luigi's Final Smash?
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Yeah, thats what I wanna know.

Anyway, why is R.O.B a playable character when he's one of the bad guys?

http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/gamemode/modea/modea06.html

(Scroll to bottom).

Anyway, March the 9th seems like a lifetime away... now that i've read all this I'm so excited but have to wait over a month. Shame on you getting me all xcited! biggrin
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lugi's FS is weird... http://youtube.com/watch?v=q1okqS_Sd24
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Oh sorry, I forgot to mention Link123... In Japan, Koopa is who we call Bowser. They must call R.O.B. Robot there as well.

R.O.B. also seems way cooler than I thought. Watch him in this video. I've really changed my mind about the roster. It's growing on me. Wolf also seems really cool now too. He's a Luigi compared to Mario. I also have a feeling that Ganondorf might not actually be a clone.

February is going to be a loooooong month...
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In other news....



http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hcJ474CjaJGOUznskl4ZgTHdpxUAD8UFQVR00
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Bryce007 wrote:

In other news....



http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hcJ474CjaJGOUznskl4ZgTHdpxUAD8UFQVR00
CURRENT EVENTS!1!1111!!!

Oh man, that just got me even more exited!

Thanks for finding that Bryce007 biggrin
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FreshMentos wrote:

February is going to be a loooooong month...
I agree.
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Jigglypuff is Purin in Japanese. If you take Melee and set the language to Japanese, Bowser and Jigz both switch names to their Japanese versions. There are a few more cool differents (Fox/Falco voices, the things the announcer says still English, but different, for some reason announcer is Japanese in all versions.)


Also, Mod chips allow NTSC to be played on PAL and vice versa. So if you live in Europe, I recommend modding your Wii, especially if you speak English (American version is the same). However online games might try to connect to US Wifi connection and lag like mad.


And anyone know all the items? Too lazy to dig through threads for that. Here's the item select screen, but I don't know what each is:



Good news about Wolf being a bit different and ROB being interesting.
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Bryce007 wrote:

In other news....



http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hcJ474CjaJGOUznskl4ZgTHdpxUAD8UFQVR00
What he said.
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O....M....G....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9rZIwE31ac
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film freak wrote:

O....M....G....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9rZIwE31ac
This is regrettable spoilers by the way. I'm avoiding all SSE stuff (I've only seen a little bit from the beginning) that isn't in trailers and stuff (ie: user uploaded stuff). Don't worry, I wasn't spoiled or anything, I just paused. Just a warning.

Also, Shadow is an assist trophy. unsure
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Serpent wrote:

film freak wrote:

O....M....G....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9rZIwE31ac
This is regrettable spoilers by the way. I'm avoiding all SSE stuff (I've only seen a little bit from the beginning) that isn't in trailers and stuff (ie: user uploaded stuff). Don't worry, I wasn't spoiled or anything, I just paused. Just a warning.

Also, Shadow is an assist trophy. unsure
I've been attempting the same thing, but I seem to find myself watching every video I can find anyway. razz Although, I've been more watching videos from official sites like IGN and GameTrailers, and they usually have less spoilers than alot of the stuff on YouTube. And, considering this isn't the SSE, I thought I'd share this little video clip of (highlight)Green Hill Zone.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-lJnDXYFSE

Original link: http://media.wii.ign.com/media/748/748545/vids_1.html


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Also, http://www.nsider2.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=128461

That thread has about 40 or so songs from the game, and I think it's being updated regularly. It's pretty cool.

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film freak wrote:

Also, http://www.nsider2.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=128461

That thread has about 40 or so songs from the game, and is being updated regularly. Check it out. razz
That's a bit illegal. unsure
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I can't wait to try this game smile Kinda sucks that we would have gotten it fairly soon if it wasn't delayed sad
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Hey, I found some videos of competitive Melee players playing Brawl, if anyone's interesting. Looks pretty damn amazing:

http://youtube.com/user/Meljin
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I listened to the IGN Wii-k in review which was dubbed the smashcast. What they had to say was pretty interesting. They all seemed to agree that the SSE was disappointing... Weird. I'll have to see for myself. They also said that the stage builder was really cool, Multiplayer was better than ever, Samus was much more fun to play as due to her new character depth, and that playing with the wiimote sucks (not that I was going to use it anyway razz ).

The most interesting thing that Mark Bozon said though was that he thought at this point that he liked Metroid Prime 3 and Mario Galaxy more. But that's his oppinion. And at this point, as much as I loved Galaxy, Brawl looks so much better. We'll have to wait and see.

BTW, the same guy who did the live stream I linked to has been posting vids of the game he captured on his website. Watch them here. He remade Saffron City in the stage builder and put the right music to it as well. It's awesome!
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Anyone know if we can use the Classic Wii controler to play this game? You know the one that LOOKS alot like the old school controlers and not the nunchucks.
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JUIDAR wrote:

Anyone know if we can use the Classic Wii controler to play this game? You know the one that LOOKS alot like the old school controlers and not the nunchucks.
You can use the wiimote by itself, with the nunchuck, the classic and the GC controller.

To everyone else here, I found a cool site called Wifi Wars with 1-on-1 battles. The guys playing it also seem to be really good. I recommend watching any of the videos that have Snake, Pit, Toon Link, Wolf, or Ganondorf. Even though I'm pissed about Ganondorf being a clone, he actually seems pretty cool this time around.

Did anyone also notice how Ganondorf pulls out his sword for one of his taunts? Way to shove it in our faces Nintendo evil
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Full Super Smash Brothers Brawl Soundtrack.

Oh my god, what an incredible soundtrack. A mix of epic full orchestra themes, classic remixes, and new songs altogether.
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I got Brawl, unlocked all the characters and most of the stages. It's wicked, mostly been playing versus after getting all the stuff. I constantly have several people at my house, playing Brawl. We're mostly doing traditional Melee 1 v 1 4 stock no items, and 2 v 2 friendly fire no item teams. I'm trying online mode tomorrow with some other people in the Smash community (they have the game in the US, so there won't be the lag that a US vs. JPN match would have.)

I'm willing to give any feedback in specific areas, if anyone has any questions about the game or anything. I know it's hard to find specific answers when you don't have the game, because there is just so much. I also can do direct feed videos and stuff, and I can upload it to my server at better quality than Youtube. So if anyone has any video requests, let me know, nothing too ridiculous though.

I've built Saffron City from 64 (with the music) and Hyrule Castle from 64 (with music). Stage builder adds so much to the game. Most of the stages I see on the internet are incredibly complex and just terrible. People need to go for simplicity.
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That's awesome Serpent!

I have a couple requests. First, how does Lucario feel to you? Good, bad? He was a character I wanted in the game from the start. Second, could you put up a video of the Hyrule Castle stage that you made? I'm really interested in seeing it as it was one of the best smash stages ever. Lastly, do you think Mario got nerfed? I really hope he didn't. I also think that Ganondorf just plain sucks now after seeing videos of him. Do you agree?

This is also kind of off topic, but this is a question to anyone on this thread. I have a 20" iMac with DVI input and no VGA input. I was wondering if anyone knows if it's possible to hook my Wii up to my computer so I could use it as a display. Another question I have is do I need a capture card to capture video off of my TV? Or can I do it with my GL2?

Feedback greatly appreciated!

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I used google for the second part of my post and couldn't find any good results. wink
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film freak wrote:

Also, http://www.nsider2.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=128461

That thread has about 40 or so songs from the game, and I think it's being updated regularly. It's pretty cool.
THanks for sharing! Thats really cool!
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FreshMentos wrote:

That's awesome Serpent!

I have a couple requests. First, how does Lucario feel to you? Good, bad? He was a character I wanted in the game from the start.
He plays sort of like a heavier Mewtwo with a slightly different move set. I'd say he's also a buffed Mewtwo, a little higher tier I'd guess. I prefer many other characters though.

Second, could you put up a video of the Hyrule Castle stage that you made? I'm really interested in seeing it as it was one of the best smash stages ever.
Definitely. Next time my friends come over, I'll make a little video of some gameplay on all my recreations. I just made a bunch of other N64 and Melee stages.

Lastly, do you think Mario got nerfed? I really hope he didn't.
It's hard to tell now. Fludd is a neat addition, but it isn't all that great and right now I can't really see a function for it. Mario's smashes seem just as powerful, and his fair still spikes well. I don't think he's nerfed in comparison to the set of characters.

I also think that Ganondorf just plain sucks now after seeing videos of him. Do you agree?
I never was a Ganondorf player, so I haven't used him much. I know you can tech chase chain his over b, because now it send the person downward. If they tech out of it, you can just do it again. He's a C. Falcon clone which is disappointing.

Another question I have is do I need a capture card to capture video off of my TV? Or can I do it with my GL2?
On your GL2, rewind the tape to the right spot, flip it to playback mode, plug it into the "out" plugs on your TV, and on the handle controls, press record AND pause (not the rec/pause button if it has it) simultaneously. That's how it works on the GL1, I can't imagine Canon removing this feature. It should be in the manual. After you do that, you might be able to plug it into your comp via firewire and open up iMovie and hit the "record" button. Record/Pause just makes it see the direct capture stuff, then I think you hit record again to start recording. So just ignore the recording part and do it on your computer to get direct to comp. This is great for transferring VHS to DVD etc. Note sure about your first question.
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Thanks a lot for that info Serpent.
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My favorite characters where Fox and Falco in Melee, how are they now? And what about wolf?
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Klut wrote:

My favorite characters where Fox and Falco in Melee, how are they now? And what about wolf?
Fox is different, the way he moves makes it hard for *me* to shine, but I'm sure I'll get used to it. Here's a combo video made by some guy to get the idea of Fox:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-doGSWl76g

It's against CP, so the combos may not work, but you can at least see the potential. His down throw makes the opponent bounce away out of reach a bit, so no more tech chasing combos with this.

Falco is sick. Not a fan of his throwing shine, and you have to really sweet spot his dair to get it to spike. But his nair and neutral attacks are this spinning wing thing that are great. His recovery was buffed a bit, which is nice. They changed him up quite a bit, he plays really nice.

Both Falco and Fox can throw out their short hop nairs really quickly, which is great out of shields. Short hop laser was nerfed, you have to shoot twice out of the short hop and only the second laser hits an average sized character. Wolf is very different, it's hard to say now. I haven't used him much against humans. Out of the 3, I prefer Falco currently and really want to do some stuff with Fox after that combo video.

This game is all about short hopping, dashing, side dodging, edge combos using the new edge snapping, fast falling, mind games, etc. I really dig the gameplay, and I was hooked on advance play in Melee.

Also, Klut, I thought of you here: you know in Melee how you could edge hog and roll and the edge couldn't be grabbed right afterwards? They removed that, which is awesome. It didn't make sense physically in Melee, and I know you hate edge hogging, so you'll be pleased to know that is out. Makes edge hogging more difficult because the person hogging can be hit in it and if they roll, the opponent snaps to the edge like a normal recovery. You can still obviously edge hog, if the person is on his way down to the edge, two people can't grab at once.

Also, I played a bunch of online. I played against a guy in Georgia, and the lag was bad. You had to get used to a delayed response to your character from your controller. Then I played a guy in Northern Virginia (I think that's where he was) and I'm in Southern Virginia, very bottom of the state. Just Google Maps directions Chesapeake to Fairfax to see the distance. There was a slight lag, but it played nice. I imagine if you have local friends with the game you can play very smoothly if you both have decent connections. I'd recommend getting a hardwire adapter for your Wii, it might help. I'm currently wireless on my Wii.

Basically, if you play in a group online and one person isn't on your friend code list, you simply click on this red button, then they click on it on their game, and now you guys are friends. It's really easy. Setting up matches online takes seconds, and you can do all the custom rules you can in regular Brawl.


Sorry for wall of text, just so much to say I guess.
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I'm afraid I have some bad news for all you European smash fans here. The game isn't coming out until autumn for you guys. sad At least you guys get Mario Kart early... Right? neutral

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If I lived in Europe, I'd start looking for American Wii's on ebay ASAP or you could mod your wii like Serpent. But that's just me because smash is one of my favorite franchises.
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Thats it, I goddam hate Japan. While Smash bros is my faveourite franchise, i can't be bothered to order an american Wii... (I've got pages of VC games on my current Wii)

So I'm just gonna hope thats wrong, or at least... an oversight.

I JUST WANT THIS GAME SO BADDDDD
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Link123456 wrote:

Thats it, I goddam hate Japan. While Smash bros is my faveourite franchise, i can't be bothered to order an american Wii... (I've got pages of VC games on my current Wii)

So I'm just gonna hope thats wrong, or at least... an oversight.

I JUST WANT THIS GAME SO BADDDDD
Mod your Wii and import Brawl from America (which wouldn't cost anything extra other than shipping). Modding it has so many advantages. Basically to configure a mod chip, you put in a modchip config disc. Otherwise, you just play your Wii completely normally (I know some old XBox soft and hard mods gave you new firmware and stuff).

My friend from Georgia is coming in today and we're having a Brawl party. I'm going to take all the requested footage tonight, put it on Youtube, and it should be on the forums by tomorrow. I'll also put it on Veoh so you can see a good quality version.
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Link123456,

You are in luck. This goes for the rest of you Europeans as well. Preorder a Brawl import copy now, and buy one of these: http://uk.codejunkies.com/Products/Wii-FreeLoader__EF000595.aspx

I personally think that it's worth paying a little extra to buy an American Brawl and the freeloader to be able to own the game 3 seasons before it comes out on your shores. The best part is; no modding necessary!
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I'd look into modding as well, there are so many advantages (look into it). If you aren't savvy with electronics, get a service to mod it. Otherwise, that freeloader would be fine.

That party was crazy, basically we had a barbecue and called the cops on our neighbors after hearing a man yelling angrily and a little girl screaming, scared the hell out of us (apparently their dogs were fighting near the girl, dad got scared and yelled at the dogs, girl screamed. We didn't want to take chances). Eventually the tournament kicked off, I spent the whole time trying to setup direct capture for the few in this thread in between my matches. My HDTV setup was done by some home entertainment company and it's really hard to plug stuff in. We ended up setting up a tripod angle. That footage didn't capture tonight, I'll have to upload it tomorrow. I got some direct capture on my other TV today, but I only have time to upload one. Just wanted to let you know I have the footage, I'll work more tomorrow on it. It's getting late. This is just a free-for-all match I recorded when some friends came over, no serious Smashing. This is my recreation of Fourside from Melee, extremely accurate, UFO and all. Basically to build stages, I have my GCN/N64 plugged in and make the scale perfect, see how many jumps it takes to get to platforms, etc. So I consider my stages as accurate as possible with the stuff provided. My username in the videos is "Conor," don't take my play seriously in free-for-all. smile

Direct capture Fourside Melee Stage Builder 4 player free for all (Sonic, Toon Link, Dedede, Falco)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9vmjmcRuXc
**I'll upload everything to Veoh tomorrow as well, Youtube takes a long time.

Coming soon:

Tournament 1 vs. 1 matches
Hyrule Castle N64
Princess Peach's Castle N64 (Stage builder match)
Princess Peach's Castle Melee (Stage builder match)
Congo Jungle N64 (Stage builder match)
Saffron City N64 (Stage builder match)
Termina Bay Melee (Stage builder match)
Yoshi's Island N64 (Stage builder match)

Any other requests? I know the game is out soon, but I know how much anticipation kills. I'd be happy to shoot more, the above is already shot.
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You play pretty well as Sonic Serpent. Oh, and Toon Link's dair is ridiculous! Falco is less clone-like than I thought too. Thanks for the video.
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I just wish you could use the classic controler to play this game I'm just not a fan of the nunchuck controllers. ;p
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I just wish you could use the classic controler...
You can. I would just buy a GC controller on ebay though, because I think it's the best control option. The classic controller is uncomfortable and the button arrangement is much different than the GC controller. The GC controller also has way better joysticks.
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JUIDAR wrote:

I just wish you could use the classic controler...
You can. I would just buy a GC controller on ebay though, because I think it's the best control option. The classic controller is uncomfortable and the button arrangement is much different than the GC controller. The GC controller also has way better joysticks.
Really awesome is there a way to get a list of what games will use the GC controller and the old school classic controller now I'm actually interested in getting a Wii!?

Also my favorite mode on the GC game was the "Slow Motion VS mode" is that on this one as well?
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I couldn't find a list of Wii games that use the CC and GC controller. I personally don't think a Wii is worth buying though if you don't like it's main method of control. And to answer your second question, yes. Why don't you just go to the game's official site though? It has answers to all of your questions you've asked so far.
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I want the Smash Bros Brawl but I don't like the funky controller for the Wii if most games have to use those things then I think I'll just get me a PS3 instead. smile
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Well, why buy a Wii if you're gonna whine about the Wii-mote and Nunchuck? You would have saved money buying a GameCube off eBay.
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I own a GC but that doesn't get me Smash Bros Brawl!!!!!! *tears*
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If anyone wants to save $5 on Brawl... Print This
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If anyone wants to save $5 on Brawl... Print This
Um, but the address is in Texas? Wouldn't they catch that and not accept the coupon? razz
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FreshMentos wrote:

You play pretty well as Sonic Serpent. Oh, and Toon Link's dair is ridiculous! Falco is less clone-like than I thought too. Thanks for the video.
Thanks, though I'd disagree. smile It's hard to tell in free-for-all. My best right now are LOlimar and Kirby (who is buffed in this game). Again, more videos to come tonight/tomorrow (I have a bit of homework tonight, so probably the latter).

Here's a competitive match. You can see my Kirby doing fox trot at one point (works very well with him), we both SHFF, all your basic advanced techniques that were included in Brawl from Melee (haven't done much research on new techs, most of them are silly right now). We're both still getting used to everything. Here goes:

Conor vs. Phil (Lulz) -- Kirby vs. Lucas -- Battlefield -- 3 stock
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQDHavz2WdM

For my stage builder stuff, I think I'm going to make a compilation video just about 1 minute long. I really hate uploading stuff to Youtube, and rendering video. I'm not patient and I have work to do.
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Film Freak,
The Texas address is just where the Gamestop headquarters is located. The coupon came from the Gamestop E-mail newsletter.

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You play pretty well as Sonic Serpent. Oh, and Toon Link's dair is ridiculous! Falco is less clone-like than I thought too. Thanks for the video.
Thanks, though I'd disagree. smile
Maybe it's just because I suck at the games. razz

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My best right now are LOlimar and Kirby (who is buffed in this game).
Yeah I noticed how Kirby's aerials are really strong. As well as his new dash attack.
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My friend reccomended that freeloader thing, and it looks quite cool.

However it seems a tad inconvenient to put the disc in every time, and I'd probably rather wait for some reason.

But for smash bros i might make an exception, I mean it is only £9.99...
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*Edit*

I just found out from Amazon.co.uk that Smash Bros is available in April 30th!!!!!

I've placed my preorder and i'm very pleased with myself.

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*Edit*

I just found out from Amazon.co.uk that Smash Bros is available in April 30th!!!!!

I've placed my preorder and i'm very pleased with myself.

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That isn't going to be PAL and won't work on your PAL system, there is no way in hell.
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IGN Written and Video Review now up. Although I haven't played it yet, I think I would have scored the presentation a 10 not a 9. Buy hey, that's just their opinion.
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IGN Written and Video Review now up. Although I haven't played it yet, I think I would have scored the presentation a 10 not a 9. Buy hey, that's just their opinion.
9.5 is damn good, especially considering how much they suck at Smash and how much they hated the 1 player (SSE). I hate them when it comes to Smash.

I'm going to my last Melee tourney on Friday, bringing Brawl as well. Should be fun. Also, I'll upload the stage builder comp tonight.
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Doesn't this game have online features too? I can't remember and am to lazy to look it up myself wink.

I know if it does or doesn't, my brother and I are gonna spend hours on it anyway...
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Doesn't this game have online features too? I can't remember and am to lazy to look it up myself wink.

I know if it does or doesn't, my brother and I are gonna spend hours on it anyway...
ya, it has online, but u cant talk with people sad
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What did you think of the single-player mode, serpent?

Damn, I want this game so much.
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PSFreak wrote:

SilverDragon7 wrote:

Doesn't this game have online features too? I can't remember and am to lazy to look it up myself wink.

I know if it does or doesn't, my brother and I are gonna spend hours on it anyway...
ya, it has online, but u cant talk with people sad
There are two solutions to that. Skype, or Wii60.

Oh and I need some advice from you guys on this thread. My parents told me on Sunday that I have to go on a Ski trip THIS weekend. Therefore, I'll be missing the midnight launch and the rest of the weekend to play the game! evil I actually wouldn't be able to get the game for another week actually because of school work!

I've been trying to come up with good reasons why they should let me stay at home, but I haven't had very much luck. I tell them that I've been waiting for over 4 years for the game to come out. There response: "oh Henri, if you could wait that long, you can wait another week..." unsure Uh, No. Not a chance in hell I'm waiting another week!

See where I'm getting? I know this is MY problem, not yours. But I was wondering if you guys might have some convincing solutions to my problem. BTW, faking a sickness won't work. razz


Thanks,
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Throw a tantrum... idk, I guess just wait?
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I'm gonna make my brother sit out infront of one of the two stores that sell it... I'm gonna make him start his sitting before the store closes the day before twisted twisted
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Klut wrote:

What did you think of the single-player mode, serpent?

Damn, I want this game so much.
I found single player really fun. It's nice to have a 2nd player, and of course it was exciting having around 8+ people at my house just stoked by everything. That was the most rewarding thing about getting it early, I'm going to kind of miss it. smile Subspace turns into a maze at one point, and it's very cool (much like Kirby Magic Mirror).

Then the other 1 player modes, like boss battle mode, break the targets, event matches (also co-op) etc. are all great. Of course, I'm more of a multiplayer person. But 1 player has more replay value than Melee, and getting new music tracks is extremely exciting for me, I love getting new music.
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That isn't going to be PAL and won't work on your PAL system, there is no way in hell.
I have been purchasing items of a similar nature from Amazon.co.uk for years now. You definitely get the PAL version off the UK site. wink
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ROFL!!!

Brawl Moveset Swap (Hack)

Part one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZDgjjDnWLM
Part two: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmoY1RmoZFA
Part three: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuLHui7omLQ

Man, I'm getting pumped, only 3 more days. smile
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film freak wrote:

ROFL!!!

Brawl Moveset Swap (Hack)

Part one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZDgjjDnWLM
Part two: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmoY1RmoZFA
Part three: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuLHui7omLQ

Man, I'm getting pumped, only 3 more days. smile
WOAH that was wierd!!! Pikachu actually looked pretty scary! Toon link on the other hand just looked ridiculous.

ganondorf looked pretty dum because he had no neck

*EDIT*

mario in part 2 looked priceless!!!1!1!
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Couldn't resist posting this video I found:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-rrPC8ny4U

It's a Gameboy remix of the Brawl Theme, very catchy. wink


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The move swap with Pikachu and Peach were hilarious!
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haha lol

my friend has been looking at the american brawl site this whole time and he phoned me up all excited because he thought it was coming out this Sunday! lol

Poor guy was heartbroken. We might have to wait 'til autumn...

Wait, theres nothing funny about that
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I'm actually not going to upload any more videos. I will still put that stage video up on Saturday so you can get some ideas for Brawl stages when you Americans/importers own it. Then I don't put much on Youtube, so if you subscribe (or however that works) I'll be shooting tournament matches on Friday (I'm going to a Melee tournament, bringing Brawl, there are some good players coming) of me and other players, and then eventually a Kirby combo video (this will be months and months later).
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Serpent wrote:

I'm actually not going to upload any more videos. I will still put that stage video up on Saturday so you can get some ideas for Brawl stages when you Americans/importers own it. Then I don't put much on Youtube, so if you subscribe (or however that works) I'll be shooting tournament matches on Friday (I'm going to a Melee tournament, bringing Brawl, there are some good players coming) of me and other players, and then eventually a Kirby combo video (this will be months and months later).
Just to clarify, when you but games off the .co.uk amazon site they are always PAL.
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But the PAL version of Smash Bros. won't be on the UK amazon site. wink
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But the PAL version of Smash Bros. won't be on the UK amazon site. wink
Well... why not? Why would a UK site be selling stuff that doesn't work in the UK? It's all so confusing...
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Serpent wrote:

I'm actually not going to upload any more videos. I will still put that stage video up on Saturday so you can get some ideas for Brawl stages when you Americans/importers own it. Then I don't put much on Youtube, so if you subscribe (or however that works) I'll be shooting tournament matches on Friday (I'm going to a Melee tournament, bringing Brawl, there are some good players coming) of me and other players, and then eventually a Kirby combo video (this will be months and months later).
What about the match I requested? razz Oh well, I suppose it won't kill me to just wait and play it myself. lol

To anyone: I'm pretty much a Smash noob when it comes to advance techniques, (I just learned how to wavedash a couple days ago) is there a list of techniques that are and aren't in Brawl that are from Melee? Thanks razz


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film freak wrote:

To anyone: I'm pretty much a Smash noob when it comes to advance techniques, (I just learned how to wavedash a couple days ago) is there a list of techniques that are and aren't in Brawl that are from Melee? Thanks razz


Film Freak
Er, well that request would have a response that is a MASSIVE list, and the definition of "advanced technique" varies.

The two big ones that are out are wavedashing and SHFFL (which is short hop, aerial, fast fall, l cancel)--now it's a SHFF (short hop aerial fast fall). Dash dancing is also out. But all this stuff is just replaced with new ways to play, new "advanced techniques" etc. Basically, unless you want to play Melee, don't worry about Melee techniques. Just learn the new ones. The majority of advanced techniques are character specific anyways (Fox's wave shine, Ice Climber's desynching-which is actually still in, Peach's float canceling, Falco's SH laser fast fall is now useless, etc.) Melee just has way too many to name, and again, hearing that they are no longer in is useless. Just wait until Sunday and start fresh.

One of the most important thing new players (new to competitive play) need to consider is comboing. You need to be able to string combos, and what moves to do to get them into the combo (air combos you need a move to get them into the right position in the air and predict their DI--ex: up tilt for Kirby, Fox, Falco, etc.) Having a sense of combos and mind games will bring your level of play up a lot. Most of the advanced techniques are useless. The most important advanced technique to learn for Brawl is short hopping and fast falling. Also get to know the new engine.
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So who's going to midnight release tonight? I am. razz Not entering the tournament though, I'm not a very good player. haha

EDIT!! Just a heads up to you all, I'm taking match requests on YouTube. I normally wouldn't have done this, but I only have 2 requests right now, so I can take a bunch more. Just send me a message on YouTube if possible, or here if you don't have an account there. Tell me the stage, the character you want me playing as, and the 3 CPU characters. Please note: I can't do direct feed, sadly, but I'll do the best I can. razz

EDIT2: Click the link next to my name to get to my YT channel.


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I'm definitely going to the midnight launch. Film freak, do you already have the game?
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I'm definitely going to the midnight launch. Film freak, do you already have the game?
Nope, 3 hours and 25 minutes left. razz
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I got to semi-finals out of 24 players. It was run like a joke:

1:00 timed (went to sudden death most of the time), random characters, all items on. The only thing they did right was all Battlefield. He then went on to explain that this made it fair, because people couldn't choose the best characters. Brawl for people just picking it up is almost completely balanced, and what if you randomly get the best characters? You would, using their logic, have the upper hand. They should have everyone play the same character if they wanted to fight that, no? Well, my friend won it, so at least someone who actually had some kind of skill pulled through after all the bullsh*t.

Hope you guys enjoy it, I'll play you online if you are relatively close to me (middle section of US East coast).
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It was released today in US, wasn't it?

Break it to me slowly... Is it the most amazing game ever??!
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So I went to a midnight opening last night at Gamestop. They were very efficient about it. I was home by 12:30. The game so far is fantastic. I'm still trying to decide which controls I prefer. Right now I'm stuck btw the classic controller or gamecube controller. Either way it rocks.

So far Metaknight is turning out to be the most unexpectedly awesome character for me.
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Serpent wrote:

I got to semi-finals out of 24 players. It was run like a joke:

1:00 timed (went to sudden death most of the time), random characters, all items on. The only thing they did right was all Battlefield. He then went on to explain that this made it fair, because people couldn't choose the best characters. Brawl for people just picking it up is almost completely balanced, and what if you randomly get the best characters? You would, using their logic, have the upper hand. They should have everyone play the same character if they wanted to fight that, no? Well, my friend won it, so at least someone who actually had some kind of skill pulled through after all the bullsh*t.

Hope you guys enjoy it, I'll play you online if you are relatively close to me (middle section of US East coast).
Yea, I also heard it was Nunchuk/Wiimote controls only? Lame. Anyway, I got there at midnight, and waited in line for about 20 minutes. I didn't feel like sticking around the tournament.
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I drove to gamestop at nine and waited for 3 hours. I witnessed some of the creepiest nerds I have ever encountered. I was able to buy it 5 minutes after midnight because I had the game fully paid off before that night. I didn't participate in the tournament because I just wanted to play it at home without losers breathing on my neck and screaming in my ears. It was also a B.S. tournament because of the items and lame controls.

As for my first impressions. The game is incredibly fun. I played it until 7 a.m. razz Mario and Donkey Kong are very cool. I really like Lucas and Diddy Kong also.
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don't you just hate those nerds that only come out at night on midnight openings of games?

They always come dressed as stuff and look like idiots. personally I'd rather have a good night sleep and buy the game the following morning

Or better still, preorder it so Idon't even have to leave the house! wink
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Link123456 wrote:

They always come dressed as stuff and look like idiots.
I know...
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My brother got the game opening day, fan-f**king-tastic.

The only thing I don't like is you can't have two people (on one Wii) in online play evil.

BTW - If I play online, I'll pwn ya'll with Marth wink.
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Digerati Media wrote:

Link123456 wrote:

They always come dressed as stuff and look like idiots.
I know...
You ain't seen nothin yet. wink I present to you all, the Nintendo Nerd Lord!

















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Or better still, preorder it so Idon't even have to leave the house! wink
You still have to leave the house to pick it up. smile Unless your talking about ordering it so it gets delivered to you. razz


P.S. Anyone feel like playing sometime soon? My Brawl FC is 3823-8187-6192. Post yours in the topic, or whatever, so we can battle. I've only been able to battle 2 friends, and my "battle anyone" brawls were either really laggy or the computer player that had to be the 4th player won. wink


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Digerati Media wrote:

Link123456 wrote:

They always come dressed as stuff and look like idiots.
I know...
Are you kidding me, that's bad ass! biggrin (If you've played Portal and get it)
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you kidding me, that's bad ass! biggrin (If you've played Portal and get it)
It is.
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Are you kidding me, that's bad ass! biggrin (If you've played Portal and get it)
I've played the 2D version and I get it. It was more tongue-in-cheek than anything else razz
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Lol at Nintendo nerd lord.

As an interesting turn of events when (if) it comes out in UK me and my friend are going to the midnight opening. We are NOT going in costumes though.

I saw a really great puic of a nerd once. he went to some poke'mon event dressed up as Regirock
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Just wanted to post my FC: 3179-5732-2190

Hope to play a couple of you FXhomers. I just hope it won't lag too much though...
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[quote="film freak"][quote="Digerati Media"][quote="Link123456"]They always come dressed as stuff and look like idiots.[/quote]
[url=http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2361/2322627107_58104bc01f.jpg]I know...[/url][/quote]

You ain't seen nothin yet. ;) I present to you all, the Nintendo Nerd Lord!





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Funny









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Or better still, preorder it so Idon't even have to leave the house! ;)[/quote]

You still have to leave the house to pick it up. :) Unless your talking about [i]ordering[/i] it so it gets delivered to you. :P


P.S. Anyone feel like playing sometime soon? My Brawl FC is 3823-8187-6192. Post yours in the topic, or whatever, so we can battle. I've only been able to battle 2 friends, and my "battle anyone" brawls were either really laggy or the computer player that had to be the 4th player won. ;)


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ChiCKO, please stop spamming the forums with pointless or unreadable posts. I'm not trying to be mean, but it's starting to become annoying. If want to know how to link images or how to quote someone's post, feel free to pm me.

-Fresh
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Hey, I bought a freeloader and a copy off ebay!! It might arrive on friday.

I need friend codes, people!! I think we should start a thread where people submit SSBB friend codes. That would be cool.
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Link1234,

Smash Bros online has lagged pretty badly lately. The game is not server-based. It's based on the connections of the players and the host. That's why if you played us in the States, the game would most likely be unplayable. We could still try though. Enter my FC that I posted when you get the game.
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Alright. And yeah I heard it was laggy: too overcrowded or something.

If it doesn't work thats fine, I wasn't too fussed about wi-fi. theres enough offline to keep me busy!!

but yeah I'll add you
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Link123456 wrote:

Alright. And yeah I heard it was laggy: too overcrowded or something.

If it doesn't work thats fine, I wasn't too fussed about wi-fi. theres enough offline to keep me busy!!

but yeah I'll add you
DO NOT update your Wii with the newest firmware. You won't be able to use the freeloader with the new firmware.

http://wiinewz.com/forums/nintendo-news/67099-do-not-update-your-wii.html
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Serpent wrote:

Link123456 wrote:

Alright. And yeah I heard it was laggy: too overcrowded or something.

If it doesn't work thats fine, I wasn't too fussed about wi-fi. theres enough offline to keep me busy!!

but yeah I'll add you
DO NOT update your Wii with the newest firmware. You won't be able to use the freeloader with the new firmware.

http://wiinewz.com/forums/nintendo-news/67099-do-not-update-your-wii.html
Umm...?
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Read his post before the one I quoted. The new update makes the Freeloader not work, and since he has a PAL Wii, he wouldn't be able to play Brawl.
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Well I havent' been prompted to update, but when I do, I wont.

Thatnks for the heads up, Serpant! I owe you one!
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Got Brawl.

Man it's fun. oh my god it's fun. Theres so much to do i don't know what to do! Of course, the priority was to unlock luigi, and... well it wasn't hard. Got Ness and Marth yesterday and Captain Falcon this morning.

not that anyone cares, i'm just excited
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*Edit* And that story about the freeloader not working with wii version 3.2 is not true, it still works.
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Link, what's your FC? Mine is 3823-8187-6192. At everyone, feel free to add me. razz Just make sure to send me a PM so I can add you all as well.


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Link123456 wrote:

*Edit* And that story about the freeloader not working with wii version 3.2 is not true, it still works.
Nono, not 3.2. The latest update to the Wii shop channel makes it not work. That is a fact. I'm not sure if this update is out in the EU.


Also, consider me out on friend code exchange. Online play is horrible.
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Serpent I completely agree with you. I think the reason why the Japanese copy had next to no lag was because they have way faster connections than us and because the people over there live closer to each other. It was really such a letdown. I got over the fact that there was no voice chat, leader boards, etc... but the fact that I can't play a legitimate match with my friends as well just pisses me off more. This game had potential to be one of the best console online games ever. But the game sold like crazy anyways and Nintendo doesn't care.
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I'll put up my FC tommorow. (Just unlocked ganondorf! I'm going for Falco next).

Oh, and is it just me, or is it stupid that it's pretty difficult to unlock Jigglypuff? he's useless! he should come free!
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FreshMentos wrote:

Serpent I completely agree with you. I think the reason why the Japanese copy had next to no lag was because they have way faster connections than us and because the people over there live closer to each other. It was really such a letdown. I got over the fact that there was no voice chat, leader boards, etc... but the fact that I can't play a legitimate match with my friends as well just pisses me off more. This game had potential to be one of the best console online games ever. But the game sold like crazy anyways and Nintendo doesn't care.
Honestly, with current connection speeds, I don't think it would be possible to have Smash online without that slight lag. Like, I've experienced bad lag in Brawl, and I've experienced slight lag. Either way, I simply refuse to play online as it's not fun and doesn't represent my skills. I'll be going to physical tournaments and Brawl fests. Also, I've played people who are 5 minutes from my house and there is still that slight lag that ruins it. Not Nintendo's fault in my opinion.

Link123456 wrote:

I'll put up my FC tommorow. (Just unlocked ganondorf! I'm going for Falco next).

Oh, and is it just me, or is it stupid that it's pretty difficult to unlock Jigglypuff? he's useless! he should come free!
From the UK to the US, it will be unplayable. The furthest playable match I've done was from Virginia to Florida (Google maps the distance), and it really wasn't much fun. Right now, I wouldn't hope to play FXHomers in Brawl unless they imported. If you don't mind the slight lag, go to some other gaming forums or Wii hacking forums where people have the game. http://wifiwars.com and the people at this site: http://gbatemp.net/ would be a good place to start. Just trust us when we say this: the lag really ruins it, and at the distance you are at it would be completely unplayable.

Also, Jigglypuff is a decent character. In Melee she was up there on the tier list.
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Serpent,

I actually think that it is slightly Nintendo's fault that the online mode is so bad. They never really pushed it as far as it should have been. Brawl is a P2P game. And I'm pretty sure (I could be completely wrong so correct me if I'm wrong) that Call of Duty 4 is P2P as well. For the time I spent playing it, I never experienced lag while playing it online.

Brawl is one of the best games I have ever owned, it's up there with Mario 64, A Link to the Past, Sonic 3, and RE 4 just to name a few. But the online portion of Brawl is my only major gripe about the game. I actually have no complaints with the roster anymore, hehe. A month ago I was so incredibly angry with the roster that I almost didn't want the game. Funny how my opinion changed. smile

I actually hate to say this (please don't flame me confused ) but this game would have been so much better if it were on the 360. There. I said it.
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I actually hate to say this (please don't flame me confused ) but this game would have been so much better if it were on the 360. There. I said it.
Yeah, definitely. Though it just wouldn't be the same! razz

I just wish Nintendo had as a robust online service as Xbox Live. I'd definitely be willing to pay for it, of course, if it reached the mastery that is the Xbox Live interface.
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Evman wrote:

I just wish Nintendo had as a robust online service as Xbox Live. I'd definitely be willing to pay for it, of course, if it reached the mastery that is the Xbox Live interface.
Minus the three red lights razz

Did everyone hear that the pay 2 play service is going to be for microtransactions only? Say goodbye to your hopes of any really robust online game from Nintendo. Oh well, maybe next generation.

Actually to tell you the truth, I'm not even going to buy Mario Kart Wii anymore. It's been gimped so badly.

If the next console by Nintendo is even more targeted for the casuals, then I'll pass on it. It's sad for me to say that because I had Nintendo consoles for my whole life, even the NES.

I need to stop talking about this. It's scaring me.
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I actually wanted to ask though, which characters are your guy's mains? Currently mine are: Mario, DK, Kirby, DDD, Diddy, Olimar, and Wario. I've been practicing with Snake a lot though. I need more practice and time with the full roster though to come to a full conclusion.
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Any one of the Fox clones.

I also love Link and of course Mario. I'm really taken with Metaknight as well.
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Link? Really? I think he's great in free-for-all, but I think he blows in one V. one. I'd love to be proved wrong though. Toon Link on the other hand is a beast!

I think Meta is awesome, but I'm no good with him... sad
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I main Kirby. I'd also like to alt Ice Climbers. I got their chain grabs down, but I still need to learn how to play them otherwise.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHfGqpHBZI4

But for tournaments, I've been playing strictly Kirby regardless of stage or opponent. His combos are nasty.

Also: I'm with Mentos. Link is terrible in Brawl.
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Serpent wrote:

From the UK to the US, it will be unplayable. The furthest playable match I've done was from Virginia to Florida (Google maps the distance), and it really wasn't much fun.
What? You mean because of how badly I played? wink I don't remember any matches playing against you, or anyone on my friends list having any lag.

My mains are Meta Knight and Toon Link. My secondary mains are Luigi, Fox, and Ike.
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I'm kind of worried by this game... The theme song scares me...
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film freak wrote:

Serpent wrote:

From the UK to the US, it will be unplayable. The furthest playable match I've done was from Virginia to Florida (Google maps the distance), and it really wasn't much fun.
What? You mean because of how badly I played? wink I don't remember any matches playing against you, or anyone on my friends list having any lag.
It's not lag in the way you'd think. The game actually plays pretty smoothly. However say you pressed 'A' while standing on the stage. There would be a delay for your character to actually do his jab. That is lag. Even when you play with a controller, especially a Wavebird, there is a lag from controller to TV. That isn't noticeable by us (I can feel Wavebird lag). But online play, it's an extremely noticeable delay. Competitive Smash is all about reaction. I play Brawl for fun of course, but for me, 50% of that fun comes from being competitive. That's why I am avoiding online completely and just going to local tournaments, hosting tournaments, and playing with friends. I can see why some people might dig the online play, especially if you don't have access to opponents and just want to have fun. It just isn't for me.

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I'm kind of worried by this game... The theme song scares me...
Foreign language interpretations = always awesome. +1

(Originally a YTMND, but the creator deleted the original): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5QLpj3onK0
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My main main character is Luigi, and my subordinate main is Toon Link. My lesser main is Falco, and my on-the-bench main is Lucas.
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so I finally started playing this. My main man is Wario. That's right I said Wario.
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Waser wrote:

That's right I said Wario.
So did I... wink

EDIT: I forgot to mention. When I had Melee, it only lasted me about 2 1/2 years until I finally got bored with it. One thing to mention though was that I always played with items. I'd scoff at the pros who wouldn't play with items. I would say things like "you take the fun out of smash bros!" or "you are not playing the way the game is supposed to be played!". Now I think that's the reason why I got bored with melee. It became the same old strategy, get pokeball or hammer, win match, start over.

In anticipation before Brawl came out, I watched videos by GimpyFish and listened to the Show Me Your News Podcast. When I watched them play, I told myself I wanted to be that good. So Now I play with no items, on basic stages only, using advanced techniques and I'm having way more fun with the series that I've ever had. So for anyone that thinks Smash Bros. should not be played competitively... You're wrong.
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Hey, i just tried wi-fi.

I played with someone I'm assuming was from America of Japan, and the loading times were pretty decent, and it was barely laggy at all. Overall, I'd say it's pretty good!
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So last night I was bored and whipped out Melee (I actually hadn't played it in years and refused to play it leading up to Brawl for various reasons) just to see the difference. I guess I've been playing Brawl so much that Melee seemed archaic! razz I forgot how dated early Gamecube games look now-a-days. The models for Mario and Link especially were terrible in comparison to their Brawls counterparts.

Having only 25 characters seemed like nothing as well, especially when there were TONS of identical characters... much more so than in Brawl. In Melee there's Mario/Dr. Mario/Luigi, Link/Young Link, Fox/Falco, Pikachu/Pichu, Marth/Roy, Capt. Falcon/Ganondorf, etc. I guess this just isn't as noticable in Brawl because a lot of the copies have been left out and there are just generally more characters.

In conclusion, Brawl > Melee. razz

Does anyone know when the original Super Smash will be released on Virtual Console (if ever)? I sadly don't have an N64 cartridge (I ended up borrowing it from a friend for 2 years before I had to give it back razz) and really wanna play some old school Smash!
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Evman, there are other ways to... err... play the original without the cartridge... You could get an emu-... Nevermind... unsure
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FreshMentos wrote:

Evman, there are other ways to... err... play the original without the cartridge... You could get an emu-... Nevermind... unsure
Well yeah, I downloaded one of those offline on my old PC a year or so ago.

It just wasn't the same without a real controller and not sitting on my couch! razz

Has there been any word on a VC release?
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Everyone expected a VC release the week before Brawl. Unfortunately there has been no word on it.

If you don't/have never played Melee competitively, Brawl is definitely a superior game. Unfortunately it isn't as deep as Melee because Sakurai is trying to hard to make this game strictly a party game, when he could have easily catered to both audiences. Brawl will still have a competitive scene, but it will never compare to the Melee competitive scene.

Right now, I'm having more fun with Brawl, and I love the detail they put into the game. However, Melee will forever remain my favorite game of all time and I will play both for years to come.

Those are my thoughts on the Melee vs. Brawl discussion.
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Out of curiosity, what's in Melee that makes it a superior competitive game to Brawl? As a "casual" player, I suppose I don't understand! razz
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Hehehe. I just had to show you guys this. I know it's his opinion, but it still made me laugh.
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Evman wrote:

Out of curiosity, what's in Melee that makes it a superior competitive game to Brawl? As a "casual" player, I suppose I don't understand! razz
Basically, there are a few basic game engine things in Melee that make a lot of things possible. I'll list the two main:

Wave dashing: form of movement, taking advantage of physics engine. This was not an intentional game feature

L canceling: allowed players to cancel the landing lag of any aerial 'A' button move.

Basically, these allowed for extremely fast gameplay. Once you understand the Melee mechanics, you will be able to appreciate competitive play. In Melee, no one will EVER be able to move as fast as possible in the game, it isn't physically possible. In Brawl, there is no potential other than simple reaction. Melee is therefore closely related to normal human activities where a potential can never conclusively be reached.

This video shows Melee being played at its greatest potential, using an Action Replay to record button combinations frame-by-frame. It's extremely cool:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYlXIjMfWbE

Now, here are two of the best players in the world competing in the MLG finals in New York, along with some great quality commentary that often explains what is happening for those that can't follow the mechanics and movements as fast as someone who understands the game as well as they do. Extremely good matches, you can watch the following matches if you are amazed by the first:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FycI-BCmpuY

And the last thing you NEED to watch to appreciate Melee is the DBR combo videos. DBR is a competitive Melee crew that records their matches and edits together what are considered the best combo videos out there. It's really insane some of the stuff they do:
Zelgadis's Fox one is a must: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZDRzPKGWFQ

The rest are here if you are interested:
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=DBR&search_type=

So basically, Brawl simply doesn't have as much potential and it doesn't have the depth to truly distinguish great players. It will be competitive still, there are great players (some greats from Melee that are great in Brawl), like Gimpyfish, Azen, Chillin, Ken, etc. It will just never compare.

EDIT: Another reason the Brawl competitive scene will wane is that most Melee players know how to combo. Brawl is starting off as a combo oriented game. So most players are working on defensive game, so it's mostly shieldng, shield grabbing, etc. So in terms of comboing, Brawl is basically devolving.
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Brawl uis lacking something that Melee has that I can't quite put my finger on. i suppose like Melee it will just take getting used to.