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All hail the NEW YORK GIANTS!

Posted: Mon, 4th Feb 2008, 3:20am

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So, if you're American (or just into sports, I'm not into sports but I watch this annually) it's more likely than not that you saw Superbowl XLII today, and you probably know by now that the New York Giants won.

I'm extremely happy for the team, but I definitely don't think they played the best football this year, that would go to the Patriots or the Cowboys (who beat the Giants twice before this season, if I'm not mistaken).. Regardless, I'm thoroughly pleased the Giants won.

This way, Tom Brady doesn't get another Superbowl and neither do the Patriots, meaning the Dallas Cowboys' record for most wins is still undefeated.

Here's hoping Tony Romo can pull us through the the win next season. He's been in a lot of commercials lately, maybe all the money from that can help ensure his win next year.

Oh well. Congrats GIANTS!
Posted: Mon, 4th Feb 2008, 3:30am

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I too am glad-- or rather, ecstatic-- that the Giants ruined New England's perfect season. When NE beat San Diego (my team), all I hoped for was that they lost at the Super Bowl, in which they did.

In fact, I really didn't care if New York won; all I wanted was for New England's team to lose, and finally lose at the biggest event in the NFL. razz
Posted: Mon, 4th Feb 2008, 3:32am

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It's funny, if you've s seen Rocky Balboa (number VI) the Pats remind me a lot of Mason Dixon: they're good, but almost too good, like they don't deserve it.

I did think Tom Brady having a playbook built into his armband was cool, though. biggrin
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ben3308 wrote:

It's funny, if you've s seen Rocky Balboa (number VI) the Pats remind me a lot of Mason Dixon: they're good, but almost too good, like they don't deserve it.

I did think Tom Brady having a playbook built into his armband was cool, though. biggrin
No, I haven't seen it, but I know what you mean. One of the biggest upsets in Super Bowl history... lots of Patriot fans are undoubtedly pissed off right now. There's probably going to be a fight or two tomorrow at my school.

I've seen those armband playbooks a lot, actually... though, it didn't do them much good in the 4th quarter.
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None of it matters unless Jerry Jones and Tony Romo are kickin' it there.
Posted: Mon, 4th Feb 2008, 3:58am

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There is a God.

I. Hate. Tom. Brady.

He lost. He lost! Cries with joy
Posted: Mon, 4th Feb 2008, 4:20am

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I happened to stumble into a McDonald's with some friends during the last few minutes of the game, and there happened to be a TV with the superbowl on but no audio. Not quite sure what the heck happened, they seemed to screw up a few plays and then the coach stormed off. I guess it was because there was only a second left. At any rate, cool for you Giant fans.

Now, for some real action, I can't wait until Euro 2008 this summer. smile
Posted: Mon, 4th Feb 2008, 4:30am

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Heh, Pooky, you aren't a fan of that mutant form of football they play up there in the Canadas?
Posted: Mon, 4th Feb 2008, 4:33am

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Pooky wrote:

Now, for some real action, I can't wait until Euro 2008 this summer. smile
Seconded


Good game, though. Terrible commercials. Intense at the end. My family is from NY, so we are mostly NY sports fans. But, the only sports I really enjoy watching are soccer, tennis, and baseball. So I should have cared more about the Giants, but I don't. I just don't like the football scene that much, it's somewhat entertaining.

And I know this is horrible, but deep down, I wanted to see the Pats have a perfect season, that's not going to happen again for a long time... That's how little I care about football. wink I just respect their team. If they were playing anyone else, I'd root for them all out.
Posted: Mon, 4th Feb 2008, 4:41am

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Fill wrote:

There is a God.

I. Hate. Tom. Brady.

He lost. He lost! Cries with joy
Nothing like hating a man who has absolutely no impact on your immediate life. Good for you.
Posted: Mon, 4th Feb 2008, 4:48am

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Klausky wrote:

Fill wrote:

There is a God.

I. Hate. Tom. Brady.

He lost. He lost! Cries with joy
Nothing like hating a man who has absolutely no impact on your immediate life. Good for you.
And you seem to be under the impression football doesn't govern America. It's particularly more concentrated in Texas, I'm sure. smile

And hating Tom Brady is understandable. Sports are venues of will and heart. Brady seems to have neither and on top of that he's completely cocky. In his interview 'I think I've run out of things to accomplish. Who knows what I'll do now'. Haha. Are you kidding?

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Yeah I'm happy for the Giants as well.

Something about the Patriots going 18-1 and not capping off their perfect season just made it 10 times better. The episode of House that followed was also excellent!

A great night of entertainment overall.
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That leaping catch by David Tyree was glorious. No other word can describe it. Eli looked like he was going down like three times and somehow by the grace of God got out and just rocketed it.
Posted: Mon, 4th Feb 2008, 4:51am

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Cowboys next year.

*crosses fingers*

Oh, please. Let the Cowboys rape those Patriots next year.

And the Superbowl can be summed up in one hilarious word: "Plaxico".

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Whoa whoa whoa whoa.

House is on right now?

(runs to check the DVR to see if it got recorded..)
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ben3308 wrote:

Whoa whoa whoa whoa.

House is on right now?

(runs to check the DVR to see if it got recorded..)
Heh, did you miss Tuesday's as well? If not, they emphasized the Superbowl episode heavily. I have a DVR as well, and they advertised it in the bottom left, after the show, beginning and end of every commercial break. smile


The long play between Manning and Tyree. Wow. The catch was ninja-like.
Posted: Mon, 4th Feb 2008, 5:44am

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I'm glad the Giants won for one reason and one reason only...

This makes my home team, the Minnesota Vikings the best team in football.
Posted: Mon, 4th Feb 2008, 6:08am

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Oh, thems fightin' words, seeing as how my Dallas Cowboys are the indisputably best franchise in NFL history. We hold record Super Bowl appearances and Super Bowl wins.

Don Meredith, Troy Aikman, Tony Romo, Bob Hayes, Emmit Smith, Michael Irvin, Randy White. Shall I continue? What about Tom Landry, coach with most career wins?

I could understand if you were a Pat, Raider, or 49er, but the Vikings? Come on, man. biggrin
Posted: Mon, 4th Feb 2008, 7:41am

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As a Cowboys fan, seeing the Giants win pisses me off. As a Tom Brady fan, seeing him lose this game really pisses me off. Damn.

Don Meredith, Troy Aikman, Tony Romo, Bob Hayes, Emmit Smith, Michael Irvin, Randy White. Shall I continue? What about Tom Landry, coach with most career wins?
It's a bit early to put Romo in that list don't you think? He has the makings to be a great, great player but he hasn't even played two full seasons yet and he has lost both of the playoff games he's started.

Ben, you also forgot to mention the cheerleaders. Come on, man, the Dallas Cowboy cheerleaders are legendary! wink
Posted: Mon, 4th Feb 2008, 8:12am

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How it went down:

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Ok you cowgirl fans. Cowboys greatest ever? 49ers with 5 rings and have not ever lost in the superbowl. Pwned.


Two words for Tom Brady: EPIC FAIL.

Go Giants!

Oh and also scored the most points in a superbowl. Number 1 and 2. Booya!
Posted: Mon, 4th Feb 2008, 10:35am

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Brilliant Superbowl. Really loved the last quarter.

Well dont Giants, over the game they really did deserve to win.. and the style in which they moved forward for the last touchdown was fantastic. Eli was brilliant at the end.

Ahh, that was worth the watch!
Posted: Mon, 4th Feb 2008, 12:17pm

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I watched the superbowl at TGI Fridays...all you can eat, and bottomless beer biggrin

By the time the game started (here in austria at midnight)...I felt pretty sick...

anyways, this was only the second or third time i've seen the superbowl, and I must say it is tiresome...one kick, and there is a 5 min. commercial...one run, another 5 minute commercial...

it was quite boring, except for the last half an hour with the 2 touchdowns, tom brady is pretty damn amazing, so calm and accurate (however, he was not as accurate yesterday as usual). I was cheering for the Giants, cause i was in new york visiting the film academy a couple of weeks ago smile

I like rugby alot more...no protection-gear, no commercials, there are also tactics involved, it's a real tea-effort, for me it is just a lot more exciting than to watch football.

but anyways, LETS gooooo GIANTS, lets gooo biggrin

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Ben-if I am not mistaken the Cowboys SHARE the record for most SB wins.
Posted: Mon, 4th Feb 2008, 1:42pm

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Here's how it went down.

Peyton didn't get a chance to face Tom Brady, so he hired his brother to kick his ass.

I'm a diehard Colts fan, so the word Tom Brady, and his over-hyped person, boils my blood. Earlier in this season, when watching a Colts game(That had nothing to do with the Patriots what-so-ever), the announcer wouldn't shutup about Tom Brady. It just got old. "And Manning's only second to Brady! I mean, even his name, Tom Brady sizzles!" At that point I just got sick of Tom Brady. He's gotten so full of himself, I almost feel like he'll be the next TO(Sorry Atomic Bros. You've got the most big mouthed player in the NFL on your team. smile ).

Anyway, the Colts, even after winning the Superbowl last year, still played the 'underdog' role. They're classy, modest players.

Oh, and for the record, football is the only sport I get excited about. I'm not into baseball, basketball, or hockey. It just doesn't really appeal to me. I do, however, really enjoy watching soccer. That's a sport that makes me want to be European, just so I can share the same spirit. You know... the US just doesn't have too much going on in soccer. neutral
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YEEEEEEEAAAAASSSSSSSS!

I hate the patriots so I'm glad someone finally beat them, they didn't deserve to be on the field after they were caught cheating earlier in the season. And what a bad loser billachec was leaving like that.

The giants really deserved the win, the defense held the pats on nearly every drive. The offence wasn't bad either, the pats may have had a super offence this year but their defence is always good. I think that coming to England for that game earlier in the season probably helped them with the pressure because they have been saying how similar that was to a superbowl so I wonder if san diego or new orleans will be the dark horse next season. smile

As for the cowboys playing better, well they are my favourite team but they can't get it done without TO. Not that they need him to make plays, but like with Randy Moss, the other team has to respect him and it opens up other players. Really the cowboys need another decent receiver to be a great team in my eyes.

'Soccer' is ok, it's nowhere near as strategic and a lot down to individual skill and dynamic teamwork rather than set plays. Unfortunately here football supporters are a bunch of morons who spoil it for everyone else. Really the only football I take any interest in is the World Cup and the European Cup. I think the main advantage of it is that its much easier to pick up, anyone can just grab a ball and play, you don't need a bunch of equipment or to learn a load of technicalities.
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I can't believe all of the negative stuff I hear about the Patriots. I'm a Pats fan so I'm biased, but where did people get the idea that Tom Brady and the rest of the team are cocky and full of themselves? They never make cocky comments. Actually all they do is criticize themselves. After one win, the first thing Coach Belichick says is "We could have played better defense in the red zone." It's like that every week. Their single goal is to win the Superbowl. Anything else is a bitter disappointment (especially this year).

The whole cheating scandal is a big conspiracy. The Patriots gained no advantage from whatever footage they taped. All they did was film defensive signals to use for archival footage. It would be impossible to use it in the real game. I love how people say the Patriots are cheaters when nothing has been proven and no one knows what was on the tapes. And I think they have proven this year that they do not need to cheat. Here in New England, we are all laughing about how misinformed everyone is.

And it's not like they are the New York Yankees, who have succeeded because they have the largest payroll in baseball (and because some of them use steroids). The Patriots do not have a large payroll to sign all the best athletes. They have been able to win no matter who plays for them. This year, Tom Brady sacrificed a lot of money just so the Pats could sign other good players. They are the epitomy of the word, TEAM. I'm not trying to start an argument, but I am very curious as to why everyone has gone from rooting for the unknown Tom Brady in 2002, to hating him in 2008.
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Yay, I'm from NY and I was rooting for the giants the whole season! So glad that they ruined the patriots perfect season biggrin
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jawajohnny wrote:

The whole cheating scandal is a big conspiracy. The Patriots gained no advantage from whatever footage they taped. All they did was film defensive signals to use for archival footage. It would be impossible to use it in the real game. I love how people say the Patriots are cheaters when nothing has been proven and no one knows what was on the tapes. And I think they have proven this year that they do not need to cheat. Here in New England, we are all laughing about how misinformed everyone is.
Why would they film signals for archival purposes? The reason they film them is so that they can match them up with play changes and work out what plays the other team is calling without having to do the hard work that everyone else does of recognising them as they play out on the field. Also they can use them to work out player and coaching team 'tells' so that even after the signals themselves have been changed they still benifit from the knowledge they gained from them. Also all the other teams have to learn whole new signals.

What I think is disgraceful is that the Patriots were let off so lightly. It says that cheating is perfectly fine as long as you don't get caught.
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Ok you cowgirl fans. Cowboys greatest ever? 49ers with 5 rings and have not ever lost in the superbowl. Pwned.
I mentioned the 49ers in an earlier post. They're certainly up there with the Cowboys, though lately not as stellar.

Oh, and the Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders are indeed legendary. Because I live in Dallas, I see them a lot (well, like 1 or 2 every month) and they're the kind of people you can spot from a mile away with their bleach-blonde hair and LA-looking plastic surgery/makeup/whatnot. But they're still all very hot, even the ten years since retired ones.

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I almost feel like he'll be the next TO(Sorry Atomic Bros. You've got the most big mouthed player in the NFL on your team. ).
I've never really liked him. I liked him more before he was a Cowboy. But I do like the indisputable TO/Romo combo on the field and I appreciate TO's recent crying spree when people criticized Romo for all the Jessica Simpson business. I laughed, however, when he tried to kill himself with a bottle of Junior Strength Tylenol. Weeeeeak.

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As a Cowboys fan, seeing the Giants win pisses me off.
I agree, I didn't like the Giants' fans especially. Full throughout the city and gloating all over the place, even when we whooped them twice earlier in the season. That's a shame the Cowboys weren't the ones to school the Pats. But I still commend NY for the achievement.

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After one win, the first thing Coach Belichick says is "We could have played better defense in the red zone." It's like that every week. Their single goal is to win the Superbowl. Anything else is a bitter disappointment (especially this year).
Coach Belichick also left the field and was halfway down the tunnel when his team had one second left to play. You don't abandon your team. Bad sport.

What adds insult to injury is that they had to call NFL headquarters very quickly to assure the Pats that they had to re-enter the field, even with one second left. I laughed so hard when ALL of the Giants joined the field and only three of the Pats trickled down. What poor sports. They played a good year, why sour everything in the end? Horrible team, for that.

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How it went down:

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The last one is my favorite moment in the entire game. Something about Tom Brady being sacked and shoved in the face mid-throw just makes me smile.... biggrin
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The Pricktriots time has come and gone. And beaten by the not-even-terribly-amazing Giants.

It proves one thing: football is about heart over everything else.

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anyways, this was only the second or third time i've seen the superbowl, and I must say it is tiresome...one kick, and there is a 5 min. commercial...one run, another 5 minute commercial...
Are you kidding me? That's what makes the Superbowl literally the premiere television event. Even the commercials are great! You never want to leave your seat. Everyone knows the highest budget, generally most-creative, and most hilarious commercials come on during the Superbowl. As well as new footage in teasers for the newest movies. A great Iron Man spot was in there, as was a hilarious Pepsi ad with Justin Timberlake, Tony Romo, and a crossdressing Andy Samberg.

Couldn't help but notice the night was devoid of a big 'The Dark Knight' trailer. No doubt because of Ledger and a what-would've-been Joker-centric TV spot.
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The Patriots were good sports. After their final play (with 1 second left), Belichick and the Patriots went to midfield to congradulate the Giants. The Giants shook hands with them and everything, and then the Patriots headed to the locker room. When word came down that a play had to be run, most of the Patriots were already in the locker room, and I honestly don't think that all of them could have gotten back on the field before the Giants ran their simple kneel-down.
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Praise to the Giants! I am a New York Jets fan and I can't stand the Patriots with all of their cheating. I was rooting for the next best team this whole playoffs(Giants because i live in NY) and I was crying when they won. I couldn't wait to rub it in the Patriots fans the next day in school. I'm going to the Parade tomorrow! Rock on G-Men!
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Why would they film signals for archival purposes? The reason they film them is so that they can match them up with play changes and work out what plays the other team is calling without having to do the hard work that everyone else does of recognising them as they play out on the field. Also they can use them to work out player and coaching team 'tells' so that even after the signals themselves have been changed they still benifit from the knowledge they gained from them. Also all the other teams have to learn whole new signals.

What I think is disgraceful is that the Patriots were let off so lightly. It says that cheating is perfectly fine as long as you don't get caught.
They did not use the footage in games. All of the sports analysts have laughed at this idea, saying it is impossible for someone to tape the signal, and then have the Patriot coaches decode the signal and then call a play in less than thirty seconds. What they did was try to analyze the footage after the games for archival purposes.

The punishment was that the Pats lose their draft pick, and Belichick got fined. Obviously there was not much useful information on the tapes or else the punishment would have been harsher. Actually, Roger Goodell destroyed the tapes. I love how everyone just assumes that the Patriots cheated, when no one besides the Patriots and the NFL knows exactly what happened. The Patriots were only able to "cheat" for about five minutes of the first quarter of a game that they won 38-14. And I think they have proved all season that they did not need to cheat. They did not gain any competitive advantage from "Spygate"


SlikProductions wrote:

Praise to the Giants! I am a New York Jets fan and I can't stand the Patriots with all of their cheating. I was rooting for the next best team this whole playoffs(Giants because i live in NY) and I was crying when they won. I couldn't wait to rub it in the Patriots fans the next day in school. I'm going to the Parade tomorrow! Rock on G-Men!
I'm still very confused. When did the Patriots cheat? They never had a competitive advantage. Can someone tell me exactly why everyone hates the Patriots when they only filmed useless footage of the sidelines for about five minutes in the first game of the season. Yep, that changes everything they have done since 2001.
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Waaahh waaaah waaaah.... The Patriots are a terrible team, from a terrible town, with terrible fans. I think we can all agree on that.

PATRIOTS =

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ben3308 wrote:

This way, Tom Brady doesn't get another Superbowl and neither do the Patriots, meaning the Dallas Cowboys' record for most wins is still undefeated.
I am not a Tom Brady fan and was glad to see the Patriots lose. Mainly for the fact, I did not want that franchise to go undefeated.

However, you are mistaken about your Cowboys. The 49ers and the STEELERS both have five wins at the Superbowl. The Cowboys lay claim to the most appearances... 8.

And a question for the Patriots fans, what is up with your coach leaving before the game was over?
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The Patriots were good sports. After their final play (with 1 second left), Belichick and the Patriots went to midfield to congradulate the Giants.
He also didn't come back once the play had to go through. And any head coach of a professional team for many years in the Superbowl should know it isn't over until it's over. They were all bad sports, made all the worse by the overly-cocky 'we should've won' entitlement they somehow give off.

And even worse than that, they played only a so-so game. The Giants defense was outstanding. They boxed-out the Patriots from scoring nearly the entire game. Jesus, that's amazing enough to give them the win right off the bat.
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Personally I felt the first half of the game was dull. Not many spectacular superbowl plays, no jaw droppers. A close game, but nothing special. Just the giants playing solid defense and slamming Brady after every play. It really picked up around the 4th quarter, and as someone who had gone into it just rooting for a good game (my jets didn't exactly follow through this season), I found myself an ardent giants fan by the end of the game.
I don't know when it happened, probably around Tyree's absurd one-handed head-catch and Eli Manning's uncharacteristic but fiesty scrambling, but I was on my feet cheering for the underdog by the end of the game.
Just a side note:

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I did think Tom Brady having a playbook built into his armband was cool, though.
That's called a wrist coach. They're not too popular in the NFL (mostly because those guys are expected to be able to memorize stuff), but they're all over college and high school football. Hehe, my 8th grade team used one of them because our playbook was so big. smile
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They did not use the footage in games. All of the sports analysts have laughed at this idea, saying it is impossible for someone to tape the signal, and then have the Patriot coaches decode the signal and then call a play in less than thirty seconds. What they did was try to analyze the footage after the games for archival purposes.
You are missing the point. They don't film the signals so that they can use them in the same game, they film them so that they can use them in later games. It was cheating, thats why they were punished but it seems that they were let off with a slap on the wrists because of favouritism. That sort of fine is nothing for billichec, coaching staff pay is not capped like regular players, they earn shedloads.
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I did think Tom Brady having a playbook built into his armband was cool, though. biggrin
That's actually quite common. I have seen Tony Romo use one.

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He also didn't come back once the play had to go through. And any head coach of a professional team for many years in the Superbowl should know it isn't over until it's over. They were all bad sports, made all the worse by the overly-cocky 'we should've won' entitlement they somehow give off.

And even worse than that, they played only a so-so game. The Giants defense was outstanding. They boxed-out the Patriots from scoring nearly the entire game. Jesus, that's amazing enough to give them the win right off the bat.
The Patriots are overly-cocky and thought they should have won? Where did everybody get that idea? Their one goal is to win a Superbowl. They don't care about anything else they have done this season. When asked about his MVP award, Brady basically said that all he cared about was winning a Superbowl. Anyone who follows the Patriots knows that they are the exact opposite of cocky. All of the Patriots left the field because everyonethought the game was over. The Giants did too. When they learned they had to run a play, they simply ran a kneel-down. They already had congradulated the Pats. I don't see anyone else making such a big deal out of this.

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You are missing the point. They don't film the signals so that they can use them in the same game, they film them so that they can use them in later games. It was cheating, thats why they were punished but it seems that they were let off with a slap on the wrists because of favouritism. That sort of fine is nothing for billichec, coaching staff pay is not capped like regular players, they earn shedloads.
I'm not missing the point. They only filmed for about five minutes of the first quarter before they were caught. The punishment was "a slap on the wrist" because the severity of the crime was not very high. No one knows what was on the tapes, but everyone seems to be convinced that the Patriots cheated, or gained some significant advantage. They did not have any footage to use in any other games. The Pats gave Roger Goodell all of their tapes (from previous seasons), and then he destroyed them. Obviously, there was nothing on those tapes to punish them for.

I do have to give the Giants credit. The Patriots have three all-pro offensive linemen and the Giants defensive line absolutely destroyed them. That (and some luck) was the deciding factor of the game.
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The Patriots are overly-cocky and thought they should have won? Where did everybody get that idea? Their one goal is to win a Superbowl. They don't care about anything else they have done this season. When asked about his MVP award, Brady basically said that all he cared about was winning a Superbowl. Anyone who follows the Patriots knows that they are the exact opposite of cocky.
I think that previous sentence said it all. Most good teams, good quarterbacks..............they've got heart. At the ending of the day it's about looking back on your team and being respectful of that. It's about having determination but still being humble. Only in it to win it- that just don't cut it. Not with sports. Especially not with football.

Anyone who actually follows the Patriots knows that they are the exact epitome of cocky. At least, comparably to other NFL teams. Why do you think everyone is overjoyed that they lost? Honestly?

All of the Patriots left the field because everyonethought the game was over. The Giants did too. When they learned they had to run a play, they simply ran a kneel-down. They already had congradulated the Pats.
I don't think you're getting the whole "good sport" thing, then. It's not simply about congratulating- it's about respect for the other team. Anyone can say 'good job' pale-faced and not mean it. It's actual appreciation for your competitor. And the Patriots obviously don't have it.
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Quote:I'm still very confused. When did the Patriots cheat? They never had a competitive advantage. Can someone tell me exactly why everyone hates the Patriots when they only filmed useless footage of the sidelines for about five minutes in the first game of the season. Yep, that changes everything they have done since 2001.


One of the guys who worked for the Patriots even admitted that they taped the walkthrough of the Rams in that Super Bowl. They're a bunch of classless fags who are hated by almost everyone in the U.S.
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One of the guys who worked for the Patriots even admitted that they taped the walkthrough of the Rams in that Super Bowl. They're a bunch of classless fags who are hated by almost everyone in the U.S.
The NFL has not acknowlegded this latest information. Goodell has only said they would meet with this former assistant if he has information inconsistent with their investigation. A former assistant. Why is he not with the team now? He may not be on good terms with the Patriots, and for that reason he could have said that he has tapes, just to distract the Patriots the weekend before the Superbowl. Why wouldn't he have revealed this potentially valuable information sooner? I find it very hard to accept this source's credibility until we have a little bit of history on him.

Could people please do some research before jumping on the "I hate the Patriots" bandwagon. At least hate them for the real reason: that they are the most successful team of this decade, with one of the greatest quarterbacks and coaches of all-time. I know I would be defending the Patriots even if I wasn't a fan of them. They don't deserve all of the negativity. If you want to find a real cheating scandal, just look at Major League Baseball.
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Anyone who actually follows the Patriots knows that they are the exact epitome of cocky. At least, comparably to other NFL teams. Why do you think everyone is overjoyed that they lost? Honestly?

Yeah, I'm sure you actually follow the Patriots...How many of their games or press conferences did you watch? How many newspaper articles did you read about them? Because you don't live in New England you aren't exactly getting the full coverage of the Patriots, just as I don't get to hear much about the Cowboys.

SlikProductions, you seem pretty intelligent...
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What I still dont understand is how the Giants beat the Patriots. Based on stats, Patriots shouldve dominated; even though I wanted the Giants. If the Packers wouldve beaten the Giants and gone to the superbowl, they wouldve crushed the Patriots. It was a very intense game (the Superbowl) and truly had me on my toes.
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As Atom continues to be badgered, I'll give my statement to why I hate the Patriots and their coach:

I'm an avid Colts fan, and it seems for the past four years or so, we are always facing that damn team in the AFC Championship. We've only won a few times, and these frequent meets(Also, the meet that resulted in one of us losing our perfect season record), has created a rivalry. Us Colts fans highly dislike Tom Brady. If you want another example of how rivalry distorts views, talk to a Vikings fan. If Brett Favre saved a three year old from an oncoming train, the Vikings fans would still hate the guy, no matter what. The same applies to Tom Brady with me. I think he's full of himself(which he is), and he reminds me of the asshole QB in highschool that shoved kids into lockers, got drunk on the weekends, and slammed all the pretty girls. On the other hand, Peyton Manning reminds me of the guy that wasn't the best athletically, but used his smarts to earn his way up. I'll admit that in no way is Peyton Manning physically better than Tom Brady, but I can say that he's a hell of a lot smarter. If he's not playing, he's studying.

Also, Brady never appears for charity meetings, and is always chasing celebrities; it's sort of sad. Peyton Manning is a good actor, a nice guy(I've talked to him), and he makes great MasterCard commercials. Oh, and don't think Peyton has been that way forever. I was there when Peyton Manning was first drafted, thinking, "Who the hell? This guys sucks!" Until he was coached by Dungee, I can honestly say that at least once every game, Manning would scream "F**K!" in frustration unaware he was on camera. Then Dungee came along with his silent strength as he calls it. He's the main reason the team is what they are today.

I've never really looked into the other New England players, but the two "stars" of the Patriots, Belichick and Brady, are not my favorite people.
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If you want another example of how rivalry distorts views, talk to a Vikings fan. If Brett Favre saved a three year old from an oncoming train, the Vikings fans would still hate the guy, no matter what.
It's true. Sad maybe, but definitely true.

...F*cking cheesehead a-holes.
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Klausky wrote:

Yeah, I'm sure you actually follow the Patriots...How many of their games or press conferences did you watch? How many newspaper articles did you read about them? Because you don't live in New England you aren't exactly getting the full coverage of the Patriots, just as I don't get to hear much about the Cowboys.
The Patriots are perhaps the most talked-about football team since they are a winning franchise. I follow them just as much as I do my own Cowboys. I may not know all the stats, but I don't for the Cowboys either. I'm not biased because of my loyalty to the Cowboys. If I was I'd be pissed we beat the Giants several times last season and they won the Superbowl.

But hey, I put my faith in the Giants simply because they weren't the Patriots. No one likes a winning machine with no soul. That's the Patriots for you, even if you exclude what I see as cockiness. (And shouldn't I of all people know about cockiness? smile)

No, I don't have to justify my frustration with the Patriots. But if you've got to ask why they would at least appear cocky or wonder why so many people, nationally (not just rivalries) have disdain for them- you're likely not catching on. Tony Romo is a prime example. The guy is likely going to be one of the greatest football players in NFL history. Sure, same with Tom Brady, I guess. He chases movie stars too. (Don't get me started on the Jessica thing... unsure ) But something is monumentally different about the way he reacts, the way he answers questions. I can't precisely explain it, but there's a difference. There's a humbleness, I guess, that isn't there for Brady.

This all, of course, excluding the whole "cheating" business that the Patriots did.
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Fill,
Now that is the right reason to hate the Patriots! However, everything you just said applies to the Patriots as well as the Colts. Brady has always been praised for his intelligence, not his physical ability. "If he is not playing, he's studying." Before the last game of the season, Belichick asked Brady if he had watched any film on the Giants that week, and Tom replied that he had watched every game. He has done a MasterCard commercial, and if you see the local Boston coverage, you would know that he does appear at charity events.

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The Patriots are perhaps the most talked-about football team since they are a winning franchise. I follow them just as much as I do my own Cowboys. I may not know all the stats, but I don't for the Cowboys either. I'm not biased because of my loyalty to the Cowboys. If I was I'd be pissed we beat the Giants several times last season and they won the Superbowl.
You are missing out on the majority of interviews and highlights which you can only get with local coverage (Belichick's weekly press conferences are very amusing). Usually the heart and spirit of a team shines through in the local coverage. Anyone who sees all of this will realize that the Patriots are not cocky, and that they are extremely (almost annoyingly) humble. Their motto for this season was "Humble Pie".
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Jawajohnny, I think its best for us to stop trying to enlighten these people. We know the Pats are the best team in the NFL. That's good enough. In the words of the insightful Gorion, may we continue being terrible fans for a terrible team.
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Klausky wrote:

In the words of the insightful Gorion, may we continue being terrible fans for a terrible team.
Here, here!
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So how 'bout them Cowboys? smile
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Klausky wrote:

Jawajohnny, I think its best for us to stop trying to enlighten these people. We know the Pats are the best team in the NFL. That's good enough. In the words of the insightful Gorion, may we continue being terrible fans for a terrible team.
You're right. I don't think New England fans will ever recover from this loss, but now we just have to look forward to the day pitchers and catchers report. smile

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So how 'bout them Cowboys? smile
Superbowl XLIII: Patriots vs. Cowboys smile
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Atom wrote:


devilskater wrote:


anyways, this was only the second or third time i've seen the superbowl, and I must say it is tiresome...one kick, and there is a 5 min. commercial...one run, another 5 minute commercial...
Are you kidding me? That's what makes the Superbowl literally the premiere television event. Even the commercials are great! You never want to leave your seat. Everyone knows the highest budget, generally most-creative, and most hilarious commercials come on during the Superbowl. As well as new footage in teasers for the newest movies. A great Iron Man spot was in there, as was a hilarious Pepsi ad with Justin Timberlake, Tony Romo, and a crossdressing Andy Samberg.

Couldn't help but notice the night was devoid of a big 'The Dark Knight' trailer. No doubt because of Ledger and a what-would've-been Joker-centric TV spot.
Well, I must admit, TGI Fridays showed the superbowl on Sky Sports...and somehow there werent any cool adverts, I was waiting all night for the awsome beer commercials that they usually have. Either I missed out on them, or they just werent shown on SkySports (i only noticed alot of Honda, Renault, adverts, which were really boring) ...
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Heh, Pooky, you aren't a fan of that mutant form of football they play up there in the Canadas?
You mean Hockey?
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What I still dont understand is how the Giants beat the Patriots. Based on stats, Patriots shouldve dominated; even though I wanted the Giants. If the Packers wouldve beaten the Giants and gone to the superbowl, they wouldve crushed the Patriots. It was a very intense game (the Superbowl) and truly had me on my toes.
The giants won because their defense stepped it up.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ghmVMeMJgw8
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SlikProductions wrote:

One of the guys who worked for the Patriots even admitted that they taped the walkthrough of the Rams in that Super Bowl. They're a bunch of classless fags who are hated by almost everyone in the U.S.
Ha! Actually just found out that that is not true. After months of negotiation for "legal protection" from the NFL, this guy just hands over tapes that the NFL already knew about and punished the Pats for. The walkthrough never got taped. So this guy never had anything worth continuing the investigation for.

I find it embarrassing that a U.S. senator (Arlen Specter) would be pushing so hard for the investigation to be continued- doesn't he have anything better to do?

I guess this finally puts to rest the rumors that the Patriots "cheated".
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But these accusations are on top of what they were originally caught cheating at. Not to mention they admitted stealing the calls even when they wern't taping. What do you think the fines and other punisments were for?

They are cheats, they should have been banned for that season and the next. You should be grateful that they got off lightly. By cheating they have disgraced themselves and the league has disgraced itself in not dealing with it seriously. All they have done is undermined the reputation of them being a dynasty or something special that they had built with their previous wins. Now they will go down in history as the ones who got away with it. If you are a Pats fan you should hang your head in shame.
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Kid wrote:

f you are a Pats fan you should hang your head in shame.
Will do, me droogie.
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But these accusations are on top of what they were originally caught cheating at. Not to mention they admitted stealing the calls even when they wern't taping. What do you think the fines and other punisments were for?
I misinterpreted the rules.
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But these accusations are on top of what they were originally caught cheating at. Not to mention they admitted stealing the calls even when they weren't taping. What do you think the fines and other punishments were for?
Um... No. This is the same issue. The guy had said he had new evidence that would be damaging to the Pats reputation. He said he had a tape of the Rams Superbowl walk-through. As it turns out there is no such tape, and the tapes he turned over are just like the other tapes (they might even be copies of the same tapes). So this guy didn't really hand over anything damaging- just more (or copies) of the things the Pats have already been reprimanded for. And how could they have stolen calls when they weren't taping? They certainly did not admit it.

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They are cheats, they should have been banned for that season and the next. You should be grateful that they got off lightly. By cheating they have disgraced themselves and the league has disgraced itself in not dealing with it seriously. All they have done is undermined the reputation of them being a dynasty or something special that they had built with their previous wins. Now they will go down in history as the ones who got away with it. If you are a Pats fan you should hang your head in shame.
Alright... As a Pats fan, let me try to explain this to all the ignorant haters out there. The Patriots were punished for illegally taping the sideline signals of opposing coaches. Belichick thought he had found a loophole in the rules that would have allowed him to do this. He was obviously wrong, and he was punished for it. Now here's the part that the haters don't understand. Belichick has stated that the tapes (which were looked at after the games - not during the games) were a very low priority each week, and that he hardly ever actually got around to looking at them each week. So they really never gained a competitive advantage. Based on this, and whatever they saw on the tapes, the NFL fined the Pats and took away a draft pick, for what they thought was a relatively minor infraction.

I love how all the "haters" think that the Patriots committed a major crime, and that they are cheaters that should be banned from the league. Obviously, what they did does not warrant such drastic (and stupid) punishments. Everyone outside New England instantly calls them cheaters because they taped something, yet no one knows the exact circumstances. How can you judge what the punishment should be if you don't understand the crime? In my opinion, "cheating" is when a team or player dishonestly (and illegally) obtains an unfair advantage. The Patriots never ever had an unfair advantage... except for Randy Moss. Notice how most sports analysts support the Pats, unless like in Peter King's case, they have already been pissed off by Belichick. I think all the haters are just jealous that the Patriots are the best team in the league. I don't see anyone making a deal about the last-place Dolphins that supposedly admitted to stealing audio from the Patriots.

Here in New England, we don't hang our heads in shame. We worship an intelligent, humble, and very lucky football team that has become a modern dynasty.

Rant over.
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Well... it's officially ended. But I'm sure our idiotic U.S. senator won't think so- doesn't he have anything more important to do?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3394017