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Star Wars 7 8 and 9?

Posted: Sat, 23rd Feb 2008, 6:49pm

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As we all should know, George Lucas wrote 9 books of Star Wars and has filmed only 6. But recently I heard news that George agreed to do the next 3 movies ( 7 8 9 )a few yrs later since he's filmed the third one. So maybe around 2014 or something later than that we will be seeing the next 3 movies which I cannot wait. Why he will do it 3 yrs later I have no idea. I have seen the 3 books and read summarys and shorts of them and just by reading them I can tell they will be very very good. Let's all hope that George stays safe and wears his seatbelt so accidents can happen so we can see these movies. I can't rememeber the site of where I saw the 3 books but I'm sure if you Google it you will most likely be able to find. So for now we must all wait for George...
Posted: Sat, 23rd Feb 2008, 7:20pm

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By "recently", do you mean you heard this in 1997? This has been a rumor for decades, and it's not going to happen. It would be awesome if it DID happen, but only if someone other than Lucas directed them.
Posted: Sat, 23rd Feb 2008, 7:45pm

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Aculag wrote:

By "recently", do you mean you heard this in 1997? This has been a rumor for decades, and it's not going to happen. It would be awesome if it DID happen, but only if someone other than Lucas directed them.
Why would it be awesome if Goerge Lucas didn't direct it?
Posted: Sat, 23rd Feb 2008, 8:43pm

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Aculag wrote:

It would be awesome if it DID happen, but only if someone other than Lucas directed them.
i totally agree
Posted: Sat, 23rd Feb 2008, 8:52pm

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"Why would it be awesome if Goerge Lucas didn't direct it?"
I guess to avoid another jake lloyd, jar jar, hayden christenson catastrophe. I did enjoy the prequels but if I wasnt a special fx maniac i wouldve been disappointed with them
Posted: Sun, 24th Feb 2008, 12:58am

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well i cant see this happening for a while yet because lucas is busy overseeing the production of the 100 part star wars TV series that is due to air hopefully in late 2009
Posted: Sun, 24th Feb 2008, 4:54am

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episodes 7, 8, 9? Did these elusive screenplays ever leak out? I've never seen them. First i've heard of it.

I wrote something interesting to add to the Star Wars legacy, but until I'm sitting face to face with George, I'm not gonna worry about it.

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Posted: Sun, 24th Feb 2008, 4:58am

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If you got that from SuperShadow.com, don't believe a word of it.
Posted: Sun, 24th Feb 2008, 7:12am

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Why make a new Star Wars without the same Director
Posted: Sun, 24th Feb 2008, 8:39am

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ChiCK0 wrote:

Why make a new Star Wars without the same Director
I'm sure people said the exact same thing when The Empire Strikes Back came out.
Posted: Sun, 24th Feb 2008, 11:01am

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just in case anyone is not aware of the star wars tv show, here are a few links for it

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_live-action_TV_series

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0458291/

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/03/15/star_wars_tv_spin_off/

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/4808746.stm

Most of the above say pretty muc the same thing but it does look like its definatly confirmed
Posted: Sun, 24th Feb 2008, 1:48pm

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Wait... He wrote nine books? -_-'
Posted: Mon, 25th Feb 2008, 9:58pm

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AXE wrote:

As we all should know, George Lucas wrote 9 books of Star Wars and has filmed only 6.
He didn't write 9 books. He originally wrote one script (the entire Original Trilogy). Then he realized it would be impossible to make just one movie, so he split it into three films. I believe that while working on the Original Trilogy, he came up with plot outlines of the Prequel Trilogy, and then waited to film it until he thought technology had advanced enough. Episode III concluded the story he wanted to tell (the story of Anakin Skywalker).

Lucas has stated that he will not make any more Star Wars movies. Instead he will be working on the live-action series, set between the two trilogies.
Posted: Fri, 29th Feb 2008, 11:30pm

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According to Lucasfilm, they will be having the long awaited animated 3D Clone wars cartoon as a feature film, on Aug.15th 2008 then will be a 100 episode run on TNT (Turner Network Television).
Link to release announcement
http://www.starwars.com/theclonewars/news/announcement.html
Posted: Sat, 1st Mar 2008, 12:48am

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Aculag wrote:

but only if someone other than Lucas directed them.
what do you mean by "someone else other than Lucas"? nobody elses could do a better job of continuing his own marvelous master peice of the star wars franchise.....
Posted: Sat, 1st Mar 2008, 1:15am

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He's saying he doesn't like Lucus as a director, he did make some pretty poor choices through-out the series.
Posted: Sat, 1st Mar 2008, 2:01am

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Eh.. I think it would be alright if George directed the "new episodes", as long as he doesn't bring back Jar Jar..

Oh, and maybe the rumor is about the live action series coming out.
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I think it would be goood if the original director directed it 8) 8) :slowclap: [/code][/u][/i]
Posted: Sat, 1st Mar 2008, 5:46am

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ChristianFilmer 100001 wrote:

Aculag wrote:

but only if someone other than Lucas directed them.
what do you mean by "someone else other than Lucas"? nobody elses could do a better job of continuing his own marvelous master peice of the star wars franchise.....
Er... The best of the OT (in my opinion) was directed by Richard Marquand, the next best by Irvin Kershner. He did the most revolutionary stuff in A New Hope, and did a good job going guerilla style and just going all out risky. He could easily have his creative influence present with a more capable director. You made it sound like Lucas not directing is preposterous, while the two films most well-received by the Star Wars fan base weren't.

Lucas was a good director when he didn't have much to work with, but now he's become somewhat corrupt by his nearly limitless productions. He had a great imagination creating Star Wars, and I think he's talented. But certainly not the best man to direct it; maybe produce, watch over, etc. His directing abilities are weak and he hasn't had all that much experience working with different actors or directing films in general. And as someone already mentioned, the choices he has made during the prequels (still good films, just not anywhere near as well done, or as "classic" as the historical original trilogy).

SilverDragon7 wrote:

He's saying he doesn't like Lucus as a director, he did make some pretty poor choices through-out the series.
And I'm not going to speak for Aculag, but my prediction is that he doesn't like Lucas as a director. That's really just the general consensus.
Posted: Sat, 1st Mar 2008, 8:38pm

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Thrawn wrote:

as long as he doesn't bring back Jar Jar..
I actually don't see why everyone hates Jar Jar so much, I personally like him better than the Ewoks. At least Jar Jar was never a serious threat to anyone and never defeated anyone... on purpose.

Well, even if you don't like Jar Jar, he was an was impressive CGI, even though no one ever seems to give it credit, probably the best CG character at the time I think. (Later to be outdone by Gollum of course).


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Posted: Sat, 1st Mar 2008, 9:12pm

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Jabooza wrote:

Thrawn wrote:

as long as he doesn't bring back Jar Jar..
I actually don't see why everyone hates Jar Jar so much, I personally like him better than the Ewoks. At least Jar Jar was never a serious threat to anyone and never defeated anyone... on purpose.

Well, even if you don't like Jar Jar, he was an was impressive CGI, even though no one ever seems to give it credit, probably the best CG character at the time I think. (Later to be outdone by Gollum of course).


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It was great CG, but the character was as annoying as heck. I mean, he was supposed to bring comic relief, but all he did was act.. anoying..
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Thrawn wrote:

Jabooza wrote:

Thrawn wrote:

as long as he doesn't bring back Jar Jar..
I actually don't see why everyone hates Jar Jar so much, I personally like him better than the Ewoks. At least Jar Jar was never a serious threat to anyone and never defeated anyone... on purpose.

Well, even if you don't like Jar Jar, he was an was impressive CGI, even though no one ever seems to give it credit, probably the best CG character at the time I think. (Later to be outdone by Gollum of course).


-Jabooza
It was great CG, but the character was as annoying as heck. I mean, he was supposed to bring comic relief, but all he did was act.. anoying..
Well I suppose so, I guess I just didn't find it as annoying as other people. I think it's the way he talks that mostly makes him annoying, I guess I just wasn't as annoyed. Star Wars movies have never been ones to have strong comedy anyway.

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Posted: Wed, 5th Mar 2008, 1:21pm

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Jabooza wrote:

Thrawn wrote:

as long as he doesn't bring back Jar Jar..
I actually don't see why everyone hates Jar Jar so much, I personally like him better than the Ewoks. At least Jar Jar was never a serious threat to anyone and never defeated anyone... on purpose.

Well, even if you don't like Jar Jar, he was an was impressive CGI, even though no one ever seems to give it credit, probably the best CG character at the time I think. (Later to be outdone by Gollum of course).


-Jabooza
Well, I always say: CGI wise, Jar Jar owned The Sentinels in The Matrix, but who won the Academy Award for VFX?

Jar Jar Binks is pretty much the most underrated CGI character ever...why?

"Mesa Jar Jar Binks!" oink (thats why razz)
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Sphyre wrote:

Jabooza wrote:

Thrawn wrote:

as long as he doesn't bring back Jar Jar..
I actually don't see why everyone hates Jar Jar so much, I personally like him better than the Ewoks. At least Jar Jar was never a serious threat to anyone and never defeated anyone... on purpose.

Well, even if you don't like Jar Jar, he was an was impressive CGI, even though no one ever seems to give it credit, probably the best CG character at the time I think. (Later to be outdone by Gollum of course).


-Jabooza
Well, I always say: CGI wise, Jar Jar owned The Sentinels in The Matrix, but who won the Academy Award for VFX?
The Matrix didn't win the Academy Award for Visual Effects because of the CG Sentinels (which are hardly in the movie at all), the reason it won was mostly ( and deservedly) for the ground-breaking creation of Bullet-Time.
But yeah, Jar Jar is still very underrated, maybe part of the reason is because he (along with every other attempt at creating a CG character around that time [like Yoda and Dobby]) was completely outdone by Gollum.
Posted: Wed, 5th Mar 2008, 8:41pm

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Jabooza wrote:

Sphyre wrote:

Jabooza wrote:

Thrawn wrote:

as long as he doesn't bring back Jar Jar..
I actually don't see why everyone hates Jar Jar so much, I personally like him better than the Ewoks. At least Jar Jar was

never a serious threat to anyone and never defeated anyone... on purpose.

Well, even if you don't like Jar Jar, he was an was impressive CGI, even though no one ever seems to give it credit, probably

the best CG character at the time I think. (Later to be outdone by Gollum of course).


-Jabooza
Well, I always say: CGI wise, Jar Jar owned The Sentinels in The Matrix, but who won the Academy Award for VFX?
The Matrix didn't win the Academy Award for Visual Effects because of the CG Sentinels (which are hardly in the movie at

all), the reason it won was mostly ( and deservedly) for the ground-breaking creation of Bullet-Time.
But yeah, Jar Jar is still very underrated, maybe part of the reason is because he (along with every other attempt at

creating a CG character around that time [like Yoda and Dobby]) was completely outdone by Gollum.
A few thoughts I have on that subject:

The Phantom Menace deserved the VFX Oscar for 1999. I just want to say that I think so before I begin.

The creation of Bullet-Time was great, awesome one could say, but to me it is more of a technical achievement than something that could earn an entire film the VFX Oscar.

As Tarn said in the "Golden Compass won VFX over Transformers?!?!?!" thread, the criteria of the VFX award is very vauge and thus (as any VFX enthusiast probably has thought once) the award must not be taken seriously.

However I must admit to beeing an ILM fanboy. When people give Weta Digital the credit for Gollum I always roll my eyes and tell them that 3 ex-ILM personell were hired in to do Gollum on Weta's behalf. Secondly I belive Davy Jones to be the best CGI character ever made, and I belive the Prequels deserved the VFX every year (yes, I'm even a John Knoll fanboy).

Now back to 1999.

In my eyes the overall quality and complexity of the VFX in a film is what, to me, makes them worthy of such an award. And the compositing (and CGI) in the scene where Morpheus and Neo hang from a helicopter compared to the compositing and CGI in the podrace speak for them self. I don't how ILM would have solved the Bullet-Time problem. I remember The Wachowski Brothers saying: "They went to all the major VFX companies: ILM and Digital Domain and none of them thought what The Brothers wanted to attempt, possible."

I know that George Lucas has *force*d ILM to do stuff they rather would avoid attempting (because results may vary) such as the whole crash landing on Coruscant in Revenge of The Sith.

The same goes for Peter Jackson and his company Weta Digital (the King Kong scene that put Kong on the ice pond and the finalé in the dinosuar stampede where all the dinosaurs fall on each other. I couldonly imagine how murderous that was to get right).

So I guess it's easier to get your own VFX company to say "Yes we can do that", my point beeing that if Lucas had asked ILM to do Bullet-Time in 1999 they would have done Bullet-Time in 1999 one way or another. They might not have done the whole "cameraes set off in a series" thing. I think they might have done a full CGI sequence and tried to make it as photoreal as possible.

I'll end by saying the point of my post since I don't think I managed to incorporate it in the text: I think The Phantom enace deserved that Oscar, and I don't think Gollum can call hilmself the best CGI character to date after beeing owned by the likes of King Kong and Davy Jones...

...Phew cool

Ps: Earlier I said that I thought every Prequel should have best VFX. Well I can't really say that Revenge of the Sith is hands down better than King Kong. That is a close one. In any case I KNOW that Revenge of the Sith deserved to be nominated over The Cronicles of Narnia!
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The creation of Bullet-Time was great, awesome one could say, but to me it is more of a technical achievement than something that could earn an entire film the VFX Oscar.

As Tarn said in the "Golden Compass won VFX over Transformers?!?!?!" thread, the criteria of the VFX award is very vauge and thus (as any VFX enthusiast probably has thought once) the award must not be taken seriously.
I see what you're saying, I'm sure the visual effects category is very difficult to judge. I personally think that the Matrix deserved the award more than Phantom Menace, but only by a little bit. Just my opinion though.

However I must admit to beeing an ILM fanboy. When people give Weta Digital the credit for Gollum I always roll my eyes and tell them that 3 ex-ILM personell were hired in to do Gollum on Weta's behalf.
Well, I've never heard anything about that, but it was still technically the Weta company that did Gollum.

I don't think Gollum can call hilmself the best CGI character to date after beeing owned by the likes of King Kong and Davy Jones...
I didn't say Gollum was the best (or at least didn't mean to if I did), I said he was the best at the time. I think right now Gollum, Kong and Davy Jones are pretty equal, Kong I think is especially impressive because of the fact that he's an animal and still is able to deliver a very strong performance (while not feeling too human).

I can't really say that Revenge of the Sith is hands down better than King Kong. That is a close one. In any case I KNOW that Revenge of the Sith deserved to be nominated over The Cronicles of Narnia!
I agree! How Revenge of the Sith didn't get nominated while Narnia did is beyond me, Narnia's effects weren't bad, Aslan was great and there were a lot of other things that were good, but there were a lot of bad effects too. As for Kong vs. Episode III, that is very close, I think they're probably about the same.

Also, I'd like to say that I have nothing against ILM, they're incredible, you'd have to be out of your mind or have no idea what you're talking about to say that they're bad. I think if I had to pick a favorite visual effects company though, it'd be Weta Digital.


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EDIT: Man, this thread has gotten way off topic.
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This thread is off topic because the topic is open for limited discussion. Star Wars 7, 8, 9? No? OK, topic over.

The Academy Awards for Visual Effects is for "Achievement in Visual Effects." Not saying Matrix deserved it, but if you think bullet time is a huge technical achievement, well, there you go.

Also, the Matrix did not create bullet time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullet_Time

It's been around for a while, and as for cinema, see Blade 1998, pre-Matrix. The Matrix popularized it and advanced it.
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ChristianFilmer 100001 wrote:

Aculag wrote:

but only if someone other than Lucas directed them.
what do you mean by "someone else other than Lucas"? nobody elses could do a better job of continuing his own marvelous master peice of the star wars franchise.....
Keep in mind that both The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi were neither scripted nor directed by Lucas.
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I think George Lucas is great at coming up with stories and directing them. It's his unhealthy love of CG and inability to write decent dialogue that bogged down the prequels.
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AXE wrote:

As we all should know, George Lucas wrote 9 books of Star Wars and has filmed only 6.
As we all should know, that's completely incorrect. razz

As for my 2 cents on the various topics raised here.....

I think Lucas is a great conceptualist and a decent (occasionally great) director.

However, Lucas is not a particularly good writer. He's not specifically a bad writer, but all of the prequels have a nasty 'first draft' quality to them.

However, considering how ropey the scripts are and how dire the dialogue is at times, it's remarkable how entertaining the films can still be - which I think is testament both to his poor writing skills and his above-par directing.

As for effects, I'm still firmly of the opinion that all of the prequels should have won the Oscar for effects, particularly the first 2. I think half the problem is that people didn't even realise how many and how high quality the effects in the films are, because an awful lot of them are invisible.

All people notice are the obvious bits - Jar Jar etc.

Matrix absolutely perfected a cool effect that had been around for ages.

Phantom Menace, however, completely revolutionised the way you could make films.

As such, I'm still perplexed that TPM didn't get the gong - I can only presume that its importance and achievements went unnoticed.
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Waser wrote:

inability to write decent dialogue that bogged down the prequels.
I didn't think the dialogue was written bad, but rather presented bad by the actors, I don't know if George Lucas made them or not but it seems most actors sounded somewhat like robotic with their voice acting, mostly with the way they enunciated their lines. The best actors in the NT (that have great voice acting too) I think are Ian McDiarmid, Christopher Lee, and of course Frank Oz, I also actually liked Hayden Christenson, I think he was perfect for Anakin, apart of course from the somewhat robotic enunciation of his lines.



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There is some nasty acting in places but no - its simply the script, which is badly written.

"I'm a person and my name is Anakin!"

I rest my case. Having a character introduce themselves to the audience in such a contrived way is clumsy and dumbed-down at best, regardless what justifications you can come up with regarding Anakin's personality. At best, it was an abrupt non sequitur, at worst its simply a bad scripting technique.

Eps I and II are rife with examples where the script has been quite clearly written with very young children in mind. And in the places where things aren't nauseatingly over-explained, the dialogue of the characters (Jedi in particular) comes across as clumsy and ineloquent, which actively diluted the effect of the characters themselves. Ep III comes across somewhat more natural than the other two.

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On the other hand, just to present a balanced argument, it's worth pointing out that the line 'unlimited power', and specifically its actual delivery, is the most glorious moment in cinema history.
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Xcession wrote:

There is some nasty acting in places but no - its simply the script, which is badly written.

"I'm a person and my name is Anakin!"

I rest my case. Having a character introduce themselves to the audience in such a contrived way is clumsy and dumbed-down at best, regardless what justifications you can come up with regarding Anakin's personality. Its barely debatable since acting aside, its still a bad scripting technique.

Eps I and II are rife with examples where the script has been quite clearly written with very young children in mind. And in the places where things aren't nauseatingly over-explained, the dialogue of the characters (Jedi in particular) comes across as clumsy and ineloquent, which actively diluted the effect of the characters themselves. Ep III comes across somewhat more natural than the other two.
Heh, I guess so, but I think the wooden acting is still a big a part of why the dialogue comes across as it does. I must say though, even though a lot of the acting isn't exactly what you might call Oscar-worthy, there was some strong acting; Ian McDiarmid was quite incredible.


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Mc Diarmid is always brilliant, but i'd expect nothing less from a veteran stage actor.

I suspect that Diarmid's lines were easiest to write, given his involvement with the OT.

Samuel L.M.F. Jackson's lines conversely, were entirely responsible for my disliking of his character. I mean, come on - its SLMFJ - if he can credibly delivery "I've had it with these MF snakes on this MF plane", then he ought to be able to credibly deliver almost any line, yet he had to stumble over such gems as:

- "We will use all our resources here to unravel this mystery and discover the identity of your attacker" - Yeah thank for spelling it out so excruciatingly.

- "You're referring to the prophesy of the one who will bring balance to the Force...you believe it's this boy??" - Thanks for filling in the backstory so bluntly.

- "Go with the Queen to Naboo and discover the identity of the darkwarrior. That is the clue we need to unravel this mystery of the Sith." - pfft, its just some guy who turned up. Its hardly a "mystery" you melodramatic tit.

Painful to read, let alone hear.
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Xcession wrote:

Samuel L.M.F. Jackson's lines conversely, were entirely responsible for my disliking of his character. I mean, come on - its SLMFJ - if he can credibly delivery "I've had it with these MF snakes on this MF plane", then he ought to be able to credibly deliver almost any line, yet he had to stumble over such gems as:
I completely agree. SLMFJ has probably given my lines that are always repeated in my head, and constantly make me sort of chuckle. Most of them are in Pulp Fiction. "Oh, I'm sorry. Did I break your concentration? Please, go on. You were talking about best intentions? Oh, you were done? Well allow me to retort!" "Hamburgers! The cornerstone of any nutritious breakfast." "Say, 'b*tch calm down!'" "Normally both of your asses would be dead as f***in' fried chicken."

As for seeing another Star Wars, it would probably get me excited. It would be great to see another director take the place of Lucas in those ones.
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Tarn wrote:

On the other hand, just to present a balanced argument, it's worth pointing out that the line 'unlimited power', and specifically its actual delivery, is the most glorious moment in cinema history.
Lol razz

I admit my jaw dropped a few feet when I saw that for the first time at the theater. wink