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Arty Slays the giant

Posted: Tue, 26th Feb 2008, 5:31pm

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Ou Heroine saves some students from certain death. this was a test of our new fxhome software and basically shows students what they can do with it.

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Posted: Tue, 26th Feb 2008, 7:46pm

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I'm sorry but this was not good.
Posted: Wed, 27th Feb 2008, 2:30am

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the camerawork and shots I think were good but the effects really weren't that good. but since it's a test I'm sure u'll be able to get better stuff once u get used to the program
Posted: Wed, 27th Feb 2008, 10:15pm

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Rating: -4

This was pretty retarted frown . Being the generous poster I am I gave it three stars but the effects were kind of off but it was okay

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Posted: Thu, 28th Feb 2008, 1:40am

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Rating: +1

Shadowlord wrote:

That was pretty retarted frown
Ah, the irony.
Posted: Thu, 28th Feb 2008, 2:25am

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I love retarts.

Ergo, strawberry are my favoritesses.

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Posted: Thu, 28th Feb 2008, 3:32am

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I'm more of a flan person myself but be that as it may, You eat what you like and I'll eat what I like
Posted: Thu, 28th Feb 2008, 11:51am

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I apologize about the previous posters wildchild, they obviously couldn't appreciate your film. For a first time using fxhome software, and attempting some big effects, this was very well done. Obviously the giant didn't look too stunning... when you greenscreened him, was it on a tripod? He appeared very shaky, and kind of jittered around when he was supposed to be standing still. I like the use of practical effects as well when you put the camera down low and looked up at your "giant". I mean, the story line left a little bit to be desired, but at least there was one. Many effects tests don't even bother with a story. When your heroine first is flying in the air, it looks really good, especially with the zoom. Of course, simply more practice with greenscreening and keying will get you better results as you move along.
Although this movie wasn't outstanding, I can easily tell you put a lot of effort into it, and it shows. I would urge you to read some Film-making guides if you want to get more serious about it. There is quite obviously big potential here. Keep making more!
Posted: Thu, 28th Feb 2008, 12:03pm

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I apologize for doing what I said was wrong sad
Posted: Fri, 29th Feb 2008, 3:13am

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Well I realize it's not brilliant but I must say I expected a little more maturity. I suppose the African slave comment is directed at me? Thanks for the comments David and foor those others of you out there the word is retarded which just about describes you posts very well. But hey I'm proud of it for a first go and will post some better when I've played around with it a bit.

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Posted: Fri, 29th Feb 2008, 3:21am

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wildchild wrote:

more maturity.
No kidding! tard

wildchild wrote:

But hey I'm proud of it for a first go

You definately should be. I see loads of effort put into that movie.

wildchild wrote:

and will post some better when I've played around with it a bit.
I'm definately looking forward to seeing more from you. And I mean that. Again, the effort you put into your film is wonderful and it definately shows!

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Posted: Fri, 29th Feb 2008, 5:13am

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Rating: +1

wildchild wrote:

and foor those others of you out there the word is retarded which just about describes you posts very well.
Just trying to defend you (I'm sick of users flaming other users and other work with elementary insults that are far from politically correct), no hard feelings. It's a forum, people are going to say odd things (see Atom's post). Don't take too much personally.

As for the video, it needs work. However understanding the workflow is an important step and this is definitely on the right track.

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I apologize about the previous posters wildchild
Also, in the future, please don't apologize on my behalf. That comment was extremely demeaning. Many films in the cinema don't get any comments, I hardly have time to watch films in the cinema, rate, and comment. However when I see someone blatantly insulting someone/someone's film in a harsh way somewhere on the forum, I feel the need to counter.
Posted: Sat, 1st Mar 2008, 4:07pm

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I won't hijack this thread past this point to save future posters from such lengthy reading (although I'd be grateful for this much for a new member's test movie with a YouTube link not in the top ten, really) but:

wildchild wrote:

Well I realize it's not brilliant but I must say I expected a little more maturity. I suppose the African slave comment is directed at me?
Don't get so full of yourself. You're not hot shite here. Not yet at least. The "african slave" comment is my signature. (the line underneath each of my posts) and it is a comment from a well-known poster that is completely untrue.

People here don't offer blunt comedy often, usually it's subtle. It took me a while to pick up on that, too. I hope you do as well. This is a lax place, don't treat it like the serious film journal and condescend those that don't adhere to that.

If you did want to treat it like that, the least you could do is put some time into the poster, description of work, etc. Which you obviously did not.

wildchild wrote:

foor those others of you out there the word is retarded which just about describes you posts very well.
Another chance for "ah, the irony." And my comment made joke of the spelling 'retarted', buddy.

Serpent wrote:

Just trying to defend you (I'm sick of users flaming other users and other work with elementary insults that are far from politically correct), no hard feelings. It's a forum, people are going to say odd things (see Atom's post). Don't take too much personally.
Amen...

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DavidLittlefield wrote:

I apologize about the previous posters wildchild
Also, in the future, please don't apologize on my behalf. That comment was extremely demeaning. Many films in the cinema don't get any comments, I hardly have time to watch films in the cinema, rate, and comment. However when I see someone blatantly insulting someone/someone's film in a harsh way somewhere on the forum, I feel the need to counter.
And Hallelujah. And for something better, Shadowlord even offered a friendly comeback to my remark that showed he wasn't so bad. It all brings the community back together, so to speak. smile

Trying to make nice with you obviously didn't work, though. Well, I guess someone went trigger-happy with their minus one button, so give me a minute or two and I'll pull out an in-depth review.

And here it is:

The largest problem with this movie is it can't decide what kind of tone it wants to take. Carefree, happy, serious, sad, heroic; the music changes, grading, acting, and editing all leave any of these to be desired. 'Tone' and 'style' are some of the hardest and easiest things to find and keep consistent if you know how. This means keeping the angles either wild and freehand or locked. It means either being completely serious about something to the point where it's a farce or being lackadaisical about it or being carefree and not too serious and just having fun.

Where this hits is somewhere inbetween those. The selective sound effects in places with the lack of real sound or foley throughout the entire production (the phone rings, but nothing else makes noise in the scene) leaves the production entirely uninspired.

Accompanying this is the continuity, which is completely off and jarring. As an editor I know the woes of trying to match a few shots and actions up that simply don't work and this is what I've said to that in the past: creatively edit. Don't be barred to "this shot has to go after that shot" mentality. Because we as the audience have no idea where you're going with something until we see it, and ultimately the editor has the final control over that. This means instead of trying to time everything to 5 minutes or so and having to stretch each clip to super slow and super boring motion, mix things up. Some of those shots would've been really great had you not slowed so much down and left so much normal speed. It makes for a completely discontinuous and jarring experience.

Lastly, the message just isn't there or it isn't clear. "Art saves". Okay? This would be clearer if the titling was timed and spaced better. The "Art Saves from Death, etc" line would be more powerful and effective if accompanied by some triumphant music and a more prominent and longer-lasting signature. When the ending scrolling text is all mixy-matching without proper spacing and looks like one long sentence with pieces on top of eachother, people tend to get confused with what they're reading.

Don't try a different font necessarily for the main message, but give some indication for what makes one discern between the actual message of the video and just the general credit text.

Overall there's some potential here in the camerawork (I thought the zooming was a bold but successful move because it was properly timed with the action) but everything else falls below the line of decency. Practice is the best test, though. And with it I've no doubt your next work will be better.

Just remember if you don't have the time to make a nice poster or banner or even host your video on a website (leaving it on unsightly YouTube); why should anyone else have the time to watch it? No one ever heard of a widely successful movie without a solid ad campaign.

Don't just post your movie, present it.

1/5.
Posted: Sat, 1st Mar 2008, 5:23pm

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Yowzers. I didn't enjoy watching this, but some of the effects were decent. E.g, when the heroine first takes off, and the eye laser effect.

Others were a bit unwatchable, such as the giant, the 'silly' acting of the students, and most of the flying effects. There was also a very slow pace to this, which made it hard to watch, e.g. the overuse of the slow effect, the slow movement of the giant etc. The slowed down footage was really unnecessary at the end, e.g. why was it slowed down when they were clapping?

With the flying, I think there's a very easy solution to bear in mind next time. Use stock footage of flying through clouds, not a shakey background. One of Fxhome's members, GeeksGoneBad, is rendering some cloud sequences for this very purpose I think (for the benefit of all members here!) The actor taking off was decent, and there was a good aerial shot too in that sequence; apart from that, it needed a good backdrop to sell it.

As mentioned, when you're compositing you need to make sure either both the front and the background plates move exactly the same (or use matchmoving), or you shoot them both with a tripod. That will prevent the jittery unsettling motion that the giant had.

Effects is all about selling an effect to people. Even pros cannot have the budget or time to make an effect perfect; it's about making the surface of it look acceptable. I would have had less wide shots of the giant walking as it looked hilarious and obviously greenscreened (the framing of the part by the lamppost, for example). You could have set up the giant with a wide shot towering over the buildings, and then used more of the shots with the camera pointing up or down from a great height. Some of those sold the effect of the giant, although the shoe towards the camera shot was again too slow paced.

Anyway, not too bad... as a movie for others to watch for entertainment purposes it has zero going for it really, as an effects test it's ok and you have experience to build on. Hope it serves its purpose!
Posted: Mon, 3rd Mar 2008, 2:01am

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Well finally some actual advice after some crazy flaming posts.Thanks for all the publicity negative and positive. Yes the giant could have been better and the problem was probably caused by using an "earthquake" effect.That just made it worse. That footage was probably my worst piece and wasn't sold too well. All in all though get down off your high horses guys. It's just a test post. Some of you have way too much time to waste. Go edit something.Advice is good but nobody learns anything from flaming and saying that sucks the first time someone posts anything. Glad some of you enjoyed some of it and I'll keep working on the masking and greenscreen. Atom said:

This is a lax place, don't treat it like the serious film journal and condescend those that don't adhere to that.

I don't remember being condescending unless you mean answering a flame with a correction. Anyway I'm done. It is what it is and could be way better. I have learned my lesson!
Yes the "retarts" were funny I wasn't trying to get at you.

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Posted: Mon, 3rd Mar 2008, 2:37am

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wildchild wrote:

That footage was probably my worst piece and wasn't sold too well. All in all though get down off your high horses guys. It's just a test post. Some of you have way too much time to waste.
The fallacy of FXHome: If this was your worst piece, why put it up in the movie? And if it didn't work and this video is just whatever, why put it up here? It's just a test post, then why are you so hurt by playful posts?

Finally, it's very bold to comment to established members right off the bat in such a high-horse way yourself. Whether you were talking to me in that group or not, people giving time to such a lazily-posted test movie is enough to be incredibly grateful. Don't screw yourself out of that.

Wait until you've got a following and advertise your movie to where you get 100 views and votes right off the bat. (Like me wink) Then you can biatch all you want. You better believe I do. smile

I'm sure much of your tone is skewed because, yes this is an internet forum and if so I apologize. But that last post was the most laughably hypocritical post recently.

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I have learned my lesson!
Yes the "retarts" were funny I wasn't trying to get at you.
I hope so. Glad you liked my tidbit. Just watch how you follow up these things. smile

Come on, man. We're trying to help you here.