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December 21, 2012 - World Ends?

Posted: Fri, 29th Feb 2008, 5:43am

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I was just wondering what peoples thoughts are about this date. For those who might not know, the Mayan Calender ends on December 21, 2012 and many have different beliefs of what will happen on this date. Some believe it will be an apocalypse, some think it ties with Christ (God or God's) and his return, some think the planets conditions will be to harsh for human life (green house gases & global warming) and some think nothing will happen at all.

What WILL happen for sure though is that on December 21, 2012 at 11:11 GMT (universal time), there will be a precise alignment of the Sun with the Galactic center of our Milky Way galaxy . Which still blows my mind on how that matches up with the day the Mayan calender ends. Honestly, all of the Mayans knowledge of astronomy blows my mind.

I know that nobody can give a for sure answer toward whats going to happen on that date. The only thing we can do is wait and see but I'd like to hear peoples thoughts on what they at least THINK is going to happen or not happen.

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Posted: Fri, 29th Feb 2008, 5:57am

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Well I can say that's an interesting topic. But I don't think anything will happen. For those that may remember, there was the same question several years back. Everyone (well some) was freaked out (more like concerned) about the date 5/5/2000. On this date, all the planets lined up perfectly, and this caused some people to question what would happen. Obviously, nothing happened.
Posted: Fri, 29th Feb 2008, 6:02am

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Big Rob wrote:

Well I can say that's an interesting topic. But I don't think anything will happen. For those that may remember, there was the same question several years back. Everyone (well some) was freaked out (more like concerned) about the date 5/5/2000. On this date, all the planets lined up perfectly, and this caused some people to question what would happen. Obviously, nothing happened.
Tru, but that date didn't really have the same build up as this date. For an ancient culture to predict such a date (not to mention many other philosophers, cultures and religions). I'm not saying I necessarily believe something with happen but I don't think 12/21/12 is comparable to such events like on 5/5/2000 or Y2K.
Posted: Fri, 29th Feb 2008, 6:04am

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If it's is anything, which I'm actually hoping it's not, I'm thinking it might be the rapture. But I haven't put a lot of thought into it, because it sort of freaks me out, haha.
Posted: Fri, 29th Feb 2008, 6:10am

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At this point I don't think anything will happen. But it is scary to think about it. I bet there's going to be some hysteria the day before the date. Then the clock will strike midnight and nothing will happen.
Posted: Fri, 29th Feb 2008, 6:23am

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Since when has the Mayan calendar had any effect on anything? And for that matter, why are we using the specific date? Won't leap years and inaccuracies have already thrown that off? And don't we use the Roman calendar?

And these are the same people that believed in human unwilling sacrifice, right? I think any person of any religion can agree that's a bit harsh if not entirely and completely wrong. And we're still trusting a superstition in this date? Really?

Now you done gots me scared to go to sleep, Chris. smile Me, I'd be more worried every time 06/06/06 rolls around.
Posted: Fri, 29th Feb 2008, 6:45am

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Ever think that they just got tired of writing all those dates out? And that they would just start back up again when they got around that time?
Posted: Fri, 29th Feb 2008, 8:31am

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^ ditto.. It's just a bunch of mayans writing numbers.
Posted: Fri, 29th Feb 2008, 9:03am

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I think this has been the debatable answer to the end of the world in 2012.

It is an interesting 5 part documentary on planet X and how it will cause devastation on Earth

part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8S0bj76389U

part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjjrStDxTrc&feature=related

part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5TOmRD_V48&feature=related

part 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNZIyfBChmA&feature=related

part 5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zero0Y6TCA8&feature=related

I personally don't believe it, but it is one interesting theory
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ben3308 wrote:

If it's is anything, which I'm actually hoping it's not, I'm thinking it might be the rapture.
We're all going to get trapped in an undersea city inhabited by crazed purveyors of unwise body modifications!?!

Doesn't sound good to me.
Posted: Fri, 29th Feb 2008, 9:57am

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It will have as much effect as this did on the world...


And (in the correct way of writing dates) it appears as 21/12/12 RUSH !!

(I know, it's not right or wrong, just different... It's a joke... Sheesh...)
Posted: Fri, 29th Feb 2008, 10:25am

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Tarn wrote:

ben3308 wrote:

If it's is anything, which I'm actually hoping it's not, I'm thinking it might be the rapture.
We're all going to get trapped in an undersea city inhabited by crazed purveyors of unwise body modifications!?!

Doesn't sound good to me.
Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his own brow?!

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Posted: Fri, 29th Feb 2008, 10:33am

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Hybrid-Halo wrote:

Tarn wrote:

ben3308 wrote:

If it's is anything, which I'm actually hoping it's not, I'm thinking it might be the rapture.
We're all going to get trapped in an undersea city inhabited by crazed purveyors of unwise body modifications!?!

Doesn't sound good to me.
Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his own brow?!

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Posted: Fri, 29th Feb 2008, 12:58pm

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In case it DOES happen, my friend is planning on throwing a rocking Cinco De Mayo party that year. We started planning it last year and figure if it does end than at least we will have had a great party.
Posted: Fri, 29th Feb 2008, 1:01pm

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I tell you what will happen on that date, we'll stop bying mayan calendars
Posted: Fri, 29th Feb 2008, 2:11pm

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Anything terrible that happens that day will be the result of human intervention, as a result of believing that the world is "supposed to end".

i.e. "OH my god, tomorrow the world ends! Might as well blow up stuff!"


Barring human stupidity, nothing will happen. Nothing on the cosmic level, anyway.

Regardless, I am having a MASSIVE party that night. Because if the world ends, might as well go out with a bang, right?

You're all invited to Apocalypalooza! You already know the date, so mark your calendars!
Posted: Fri, 29th Feb 2008, 2:55pm

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I just recently finished watching the entire series of Buffy, and am on season 5 of Angel, so I think I have a good enough idea on how to survive an apocalypse.
Posted: Fri, 29th Feb 2008, 5:02pm

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2012 olympics and the end of the world in the same year... Meh you gotta take the rough with the smooth.

Well if anything don't happen, the bible will really have a lot to answer for and religions that believe the end of the world will have to question their faith
Posted: Fri, 29th Feb 2008, 5:28pm

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videofxuniverse wrote:

Well if anything don't happen, the bible will really have a lot to answer for and religions that believe the end of the world will have to question their faith
Nothing will happen, and no one will have to answer for anything. You know why?

They never have.

Take a look at this link for Unfulfilled Religious Prophecies -- everything from earthquakes, to the Rapture, to the Antichrist. All of them never happened. Yet they still go on, people still believe the next one as it comes. When it passes with no event, it was just a "miscalculation" or is quietly forgotten about.
Posted: Fri, 29th Feb 2008, 5:50pm

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Am I a bad person if I hope what they say is right?

I've always wanted first-row seat for Armageddon => twisted
Posted: Fri, 29th Feb 2008, 6:31pm

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CX3 wrote:


What WILL happen for sure though is that on December 21, 2012 at 11:11 GMT (universal time), there will be a precise alignment of the Sun with the Galactic center of our Milky Way galaxy . Which still blows my mind on how that matches up with the day the Mayan calender ends. Honestly, all of the Mayans knowledge of astronomy blows my mind.
I was watching the History Channel and saw that Nostradamus predicted the same thing. And Nostradamus is said to have made predictions about a ton of stuff that has actually happened, like Napoleon, both world wars, and 9/11.
Posted: Fri, 29th Feb 2008, 6:44pm

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It seems a bit ridiculous to me that people are bringing the Bible into this, saying things like "if this date isn't the rapture the Bible has been disproved" (yes, I know no one ever said that specific quote, just an example). The Bible doesn't say the rapture will happen on a random date that people or other religions seem to think it will, the Bible doesn't say when the rapture will happen, even if it is Christians that are guessing, it doesn't make it any more than a random guess.
But, religious debates aren't allowed so lets make sure we don't turn this into one and kill another thread. smile
Posted: Fri, 29th Feb 2008, 7:00pm

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Don't tell me you guys didn't know that the rapture is happening tommorow!?!?! wink But, really, nothing is going to happen. If anything does happen, then that's that. But it's highly unlikely.
Posted: Fri, 29th Feb 2008, 7:33pm

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I think it's silly to assume that anything will happen... though, I have to give the Mayans SOME credit. The day they predicted the arrival of their so-called "Gods" was when Cortez and Co. landed, if I recall correctly. Man. Owned. biggrin

Otherwise, I think it's really silly for us as humans to assume that our fate is pre-ordained by the mechanical movements of the heavens or anything like that. We just happen to be on a moving spheroid mass in space, amongst many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many other moving spheroid masses in space. The predictability and mesmerizing nature of said spheroid masses makes us think weird, and often, silly things about them. And that's that.

Nonetheless, makes one hell of a reason to throw a party, right? biggrin

CX3 wrote:

What WILL happen for sure though is that on December 21, 2012 at 11:11 GMT (universal time), there will be a precise alignment of the Sun with the Galactic center of our Milky Way galaxy .
I'm trying to wrap my mind around this statement. The sun is a point in our galaxy, the galactic center being another. You have defined only two points -- of course they will be in "precise alignment" on December 21, 2012. They are always in precise alignment.

EDIT: I just checked Wikipedia to see what it said about December 21, 2012... and it mentioned that the Winter Solstice of that year is occurring that day... at 11:11 GMT. That's probably what you're thinking of -- not when the Sun and the Galactic Center "align."

Keeping in mind that the Sun makes one complete "orbit" around our galaxy about once every 250 million years, I highly doubt we'd be able to pinpoint the moment of "alignment" with the galactic center down to the minute on the standard 24-hour clock. And... like I said before -- the Sun and the Milky Way center are always in alignment, as is every pair of points with respect to one another.

Finally, that the Winter Solstice falls on the same day of the Mayan Calendar's "end" isn't a terribly remarkeable prediction, given the Mayan's reliance and aptitude in astronomy for their religious and socio-political actions. Solstice's aren't a particularly complex or difficult-to-predict scenario, nor have they been for billions of years.
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I'll definitely go to the toilet the day before.

Just in case.
Posted: Fri, 29th Feb 2008, 8:28pm

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I just happened to be flipping channels one day back in 1999. Something about the year 2000 caught my attention. It was one of those Televangelist guys spreading fear.

They were talking about the year 2000 being the end of times. Computers will stop working, bank accounts will be lost, global power outages, planes would fall out of the sky, and so on...

I remember stores ran out of water, batteries, canned goods, power generators. It was pretty sad to see the widespread fear this forced into people.

Not long after the 2000 rollover, first week I'd say, I caught that same exact televangelist show on TV and they were talking about why nothing bad happened on 01-01-2000. Well, that's because the "interpretation" could have meant the year 3000 and not 2000. crazy

So I guess the fear mongers have another 1000 years of scaring the hell out of people.

Here we are in 2008, a lot of people were able to buy power generators for real cheap, but nothing happened, but now there's this new hysteria about a Mayan calendar.

Looking back though it would have been a mean, but funny joke if the power companies across the globe suddenly flipped the switch all at the same time for a few minutes... Can you just imagine the total chaos!?!
Posted: Fri, 29th Feb 2008, 8:31pm

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You realize that the Bible says the rapture will occur when nobody is expecting it, right? wink

Anyway, I think it's sort of interesting that the Mayan calender ends. Here's a funny Married To The Sea comic to lighten the discussion up: Clicky
Posted: Fri, 29th Feb 2008, 8:47pm

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Just something about galactic center of the milky way.



You don't have to do the math to know that something's wrong.biggrin
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Apparantly, these guys made a programme that read things written on the Internet (websites and such) and it predicted 9/11. Now, here is a quote (that I made up even though the general idea is there)

The programme told us that at some point during June to October 2001, something in America will happen that changes the way Americans live.
A guy actually said something like that. Now, pardonnez-moi for being a bit undersuperstitious (smile), but this is ridiculous. I mean, I could say 'Something will happen in Britain at some random point between June and September 2008 that might just change the way they live.' and turns out, it's just that a British invented a high-speed boat that will let them communicate with more ease with me, here in Canada (they'd need a car, too, though, seeing as I live in the middle of the continent...). Or just bigger toilet paper rolls (because apparantly, the British now have schedules for going to the bathroom, don't they, er-no?)

So now, since that computer also predicated the fact that the end of the world will take place on December 21st, 2012, everybody who works with it is all like, 'Oh. Look. It says I'm gonna die in 4 years. Let's go talk about that on TV.'

Anyway.

About astronomy:

In 2012 (I don't know when exactly), ON TOP of being aligned with the center of our galaxy, the sun will no longer be in its period called the 'Fish', because it will no longer be close to the fish constellation. Now, since the fish is assosiated with Jesus... and the sun first came into the 'fish' period around Jesus's birth... I mean, I definately can see why they would say that 2012 is the end of the world. I just don't believe it, that's all.

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Atom wrote:

Since when has the Mayan calendar had any effect on anything? And for that matter, why are we using the specific date? Won't leap years and inaccuracies have already thrown that off? And don't we use the Roman calendar?
It isn't off. The Mayan calendar doesn't end on Dec. 21, 2012 on the Mayan calendar, it's something different for them. People have calculated it, taking leap years into account and any new changes we do and Dec. 21, 2012 happens to be that day.


And these are the same people that believed in human unwilling sacrifice, right? I think any person of any religion can agree that's a bit harsh if not entirely and completely wrong. And we're still trusting a superstition in this date? Really?
While I agree that human sacrifice is silly, for the sake of argument, consider their religion is the "true religion." That would make their sacrifices completely appropriate to appease their god(s). It isn't harsh if it were hypothetically true. (Note for thread: I don't follow this religion, I happen to be atheist/agnostic and like to consider and ponder such things. If it were true, sacrifice most certainly wouldn't be wrong. I hope you can see where I am coming from despite anyone who reads this' religion.)


Tommy Gundersen wrote:

Am I a bad person if I hope what they say is right?

I've always wanted first-row seat for Armageddon => twisted
Completely agree. I think it would be fantastic to experience the end of the world, with no kids, and be 80-years-old. It would of course bother me about anyone who I knew that had a life ahead of them, but it would be a completely amazing thing to be a part of. So my wish for experiencing armageddon is a completely conditional wish. Basically I would wish I knew about it in advance.
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I'm somewhat of a Mayan astronomy wonk, so I'm really getting a kick out of all these replies.

First of all, the Mayan calender is extremely accurate, almost too accurate to have been conceived by humans of that era. However, it is universally agreed that the Mayans' system is one of the most precise methods of timekeeping to have ever been developed. So let's get it out of our heads that these "primitive" people's discoveries are not applicable to our modern times.

Second and more importantly, nowhere do the Mayans leave us ANY evidence that 2012 marks the end of days.

The date is very significant however.

December 21 2012 marks the beginning of a new 10,000 year time period which the Mayan's called a "Baktun Cycle" (look it up). Most Mayan scholars believe that this time period is important because it will involve the next evolution of human consciousness. What that actually means is highly speculative, however I'm hoping it has something to do with unlocking dormant super powers. smile
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Dibs on telekinesis. Called it...


Shut up, I already called it. You can't call it after I called it.
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Big Rob wrote:

5/5/2000. On this date, all the planets lined up perfectly, and this caused some people to question what would happen. Obviously, nothing happened.
You do know that there is a total eclipse tomorrow.

and the next day.

and so on.

the point is it depends on where you are in relation to the objects.
The moon will always block the sun if you are in the to see it.

So I wouldn't worry about where the planets are compared to this planet, unless they are heading towards us.
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Well, I'm ready for the apocalypse. I've become the leader of ALL squirrels in the world, and they will follow my command. So I'll definately make it.
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I call flying and super speed. Ha!
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The MACHINES will take over. smile
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Then thank god I sent my best friend back in time to impregnate my mother with me so I'll be ready to lead the rebellion.
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Your welcome Atom... Son...
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My dad is black? Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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So that's why your guy's avatars are so similar. I thought it was just a coincidence...
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FreshMentos wrote:

So that's why your guy's avatars are so similar. I thought it was just a coincidence...
FreshMentos...FreshMentos...FreshMentos...

There never are coincidences, and I mean never. At least not in random FXhome topics.
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Just for the record, I vowed myself to start Tag Team if Thrawn was the next person to post. Conincidence?

So, anyone interested in Tag Team please inquire with me via PM.
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Atom wrote:

Just for the record, I vowed myself to start Tag Team if Thrawn was the next person to post. Conincidence?

So, anyone interested in Tag Team please inquire with me via PM.
Oh know, here we go again. smile
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Just for the record, I vowed myself to start Tag Team if Thrawn was the next person to post. Conincidence?

So, anyone interested in Tag Team please inquire with me via PM.
Once you think it died, it comes up again.
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Thrawn wrote:

Atom wrote:

Just for the record, I vowed myself to start Tag Team if Thrawn was the next person to post. Conincidence?

So, anyone interested in Tag Team please inquire with me via PM.
Once you think it died, it comes up again.
If you need clarity, please feel free to inquire with other members of Tag Team. wink
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Maybe the mayans were so good at maths, so they calculated that's the date there will too many living humans for Earth to handle. I mean, resources like food and water ain't unlimited. Nor is space.
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Tommy Gundersen wrote:

Maybe the mayans were so good at maths, so they calculated that's the date there will too many living humans for Earth to handle. I mean, resources like food and water ain't unlimited. Nor is space.
I don't think we'll be out of any of those resources in just four years. smile




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Meh, you'll see. Some dork will develop a machine that make you capable of eating unlimited food. Then Mr. E.T. will come from his home planet with super-advanced technology and suck up all the water...

Naw, I don't know.. Just mentioning random thoughts =>

But how cool wouldn't it be to sit on the edge of a tall mountain, with the view of countries in front of you. Then see the distant lands blow up in the sky, like not just explosions, but the ground itself fly into the skies with fire and boiling lava beneath it. Mmmmm that would outbeat CGI >.<

Haha, reading that again I sound insane. But I do like big bangs.
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In some cases, I believe that this could happen, as the Mayans were superior astronomers, so to speak, and to give an exact date as to when the world will end.

However, I remain skeptical when it comes to this whole "predicting the end of the world" area...

How can we rely on predictions that were made hundreds of years ago, if we can hardly predict how the 7 day weather forecast will look like?

I remember back in '06 that I was huge on that 666 "theory" (June 6, 2006; hence, 06/06/06). I was so freaked out about it, but I've come to terms with my paranoia of such things.

As others have said, we can only find out when that time comes.[/i]
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...superstitious hippies...







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King of Blades wrote:

In some cases, I believe that this could happen, as the Mayans were superior astronomers, so to speak, and to give an exact date as to when the world will end.
Er, that isn't exactly how astronomy works. A modern scientist may be able to predict an Earth threatening event quite a bit in advance with modern technology, but Mayans were "superior astronomers" for their time (I don't even know if this is true, but modern astronomy is the best so far, believe it or not).
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(I don't even know if this is true, but modern astronomy is the best so far, believe it or not).
Really? I've got to say, I'm really leaning towards those Mayans, ya know? razz
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King of Blades wrote:

Serpent wrote:

(I don't even know if this is true, but modern astronomy is the best so far, believe it or not).
Really? I've got to say, I'm really leaning towards those Mayans, ya know? razz
I'm just saying, they couldn't use astronomy to predict the end of the world. It's impossible. The only way they could have predicted it would be either coincidence or a divine reason.
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Wouldn't the Mayans have been astrologers, not astronomers?
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Wouldn't the Mayans have been astrologers, not astronomers?
Well, they did have an incredible knowledge of the movement of stellar objects and heavenly bodies. They discovered that the earth revolved around the sun before any western culture did. In fact, their astronomical system was so advanced that they could accurately predict how the night sky would look on any day thousands of years into the future. Although much of their religious beliefs were centered around the movement of the cosmos, I think it's safe to say that the Mayans were very accomplished Astronomers.
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I actually did a lot of reading on the matter and gained a lot of theorys of what could happen, then again anything could happen or nothing at all, in my opinion it would be interesting if something did, like that question someone all ways asks "what would you do if you were the last person on earth" so basicaly I would be disaponted if nothing happend
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If I were the last man on Earth, I seriously think I'd go psycho and laugh bigtime... Then I'd go badass and break any law whom used to be that I could before the big kaboom.
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if i was the last person on earth i would probably commit suicide by blowing things up and standin on them razz

but then again thats just what i might do i can never be to sure haha
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Has no one but me considered that they were all DESTROYED before they could finish it...
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Isn't the mayan calendar circular? Which means it would then just repeat itself, not stop?
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Azulon'sAssassin wrote:

Has no one but me considered that they were all DESTROYED before they could finish it...
Dang, talk about digging up something long forgotten...the last post was 2 years ago man. biggrin
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BUT IT IS NOW MORE RELEVANT THAN EVER!
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I'll try to fact-check some of this to make sure... but here's my basic understanding:

Yes, the calendar is in some sort of circle form. The important thing about December 21st, 2012, is that that specific date on the calendar marks the end of an "age"... not the end of "time". When this "cycle" ends... another "cycle" will begin. Sort of like a massive unit of time, such as a "millennium".

And this is assuming that the the Mayan calendar is still deadly accurate this far into the future, and that we've "synced" their calendars to ours properly. I recently read an article (I'll post it when I find it) that argues that there is evidence that due to a translating error, the Mayan calendar (and by extension, the 2012 date) might be more than 100 years off, in either direction. So this "apocalypse" may have already happened... or... it might happen in 100 years. Either way, we don't have to worry about it. razz

I used to be into big "conspiracy" theories like this (and I still am when it comes to aliens, UFOs, or anything celestial), but after a few more years of scientific education, I highly doubt anything will happen then. And if something does, it would be some sort of significant event that would mark some sort of "beginning" rather than the "end of time". Of course, if there is some sort of doomsday event approaching... my bet is on Planet X. razz Judging by how little we know of beyond our established solar system, there very well could be a very large object headed straight for us (or at least, close enough to throw us off our planetary orbit).
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jawajohnny wrote:

my bet is on Planet X.
I thought "Planet X" was deemed one of Pluto's moons...
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Biblmac wrote:

jawajohnny wrote:

my bet is on Planet X.
I thought "Planet X" was deemed one of Pluto's moons...
Again, I'm by no means an expert on this stuff (enthusiast, maybe)... but I think I have an answer. No... "Planet X" by it's strict definition (or at least, the definition it was originally given), has to be large enough to affect the orbits of some of the outer planets, for which astronomers in the past had measured "inconsistencies". Ultimately, nothing like that has been found, and the "inconsistent" planetary orbit estimates have since been attributed to inaccurate information and/or scientific error.

However, there have been some renewed talks of the gravity of a potential "Giant Stealth Planet" possibly influencing the unusually large amount of comets streaming in from the edge of the solar system. Apparently it could also be a mini-star "companion" to the sun.
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I don't think the world will "end." I am a little weary minded of all the crazy people who think that it will, and who knows what they will do.
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Honestly with the completely f'ed up state of the planet at this point, I'm all for a "new beginning". I have no idea what will happen. Perhaps it will be an apocalypse. If so I won't resist, I'm not going to bother fighting nature's actions. Then there's the spiritual views which theorize that there will be a worldwide change in consciousness, or spiritual awakening. I'm hoping the latter. The other possibility is nothing will happen at all. Either way, I'm not going to stress. We still have 2 more years!
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The other possibility is nothing will happen at all.
I vote for this option. People are all gung-ho to believe that there's going to be some huge shift in something or another in 2012, but let's face it, folks: If premonition and future foresight were real things, this planet would be a much different place already. If anything of world-wide significance happens on December 21st, 2012, I will be incredibly surprised, but it will also likely be caused by humans who truly believed that something of world-wide significance would happen on that day, and took it upon themselves to be certain of it.

We always hear in tabloids, and on the internet, and on evangelical television networks, about how THE BIBLE PREDICTED IT or NOSTRADAMUS PREDICTED IT! But these alleged predictions are so vague that it could be about anything. It's human nature to "connect-the-dots", so of course, people who believe in this kind of thing will be able to form the prediction to match the event. This happens all the time.

The Mayan Long-Count Calendar only predicts one thing: the end of the Mayan Long-Count Calendar. Do you ever feel any different when you wake up on the first day of a new year? Or a new decade? Or millenium? Not likely. This is the same thing as that, only on a larger scale, I reckon. The only thing that will happen on that day is that a thousands-of-years-old calendar will end, and on December 22nd, 2012, it will start again. And life will continue exactly as it has on December 22nd of every year for the past several centuries.
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Personally, I thought the world was going to end in 2000 because the calendar in my operating system used to stop on new years eve 1999.
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Nothing's likely to happen. I basically agree with everything Aculag is saying; it's probably something that was just blown up to extreme proportions by Apocalyptics or whatever those end-of-the-world people are called. No matter what was supposed to happen in 2012, I think we would already be feeling the effects of it. Nothing that massive is likely to pop out of nowhere. The only thing I can think of as plausible is...like...the moon shifting its orbit and screwing with the ocean and causing tidal waves. But even that's pretty far out-there. Of course, there are other things that could happen, such as black death: but that has nothing to do with astronomy, so for the Mayans to predict it would probably be a lucky guess.
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Terminal Velocity wrote:

Nothing's likely to happen... No matter what was supposed to happen in 2012, I think we would already be feeling the effects of it. Nothing that massive is likely to pop out of nowhere.
Well, this isn't strictly true. If we're right that the universe was created in a 'big bang', and that the universe has been expanding ever since, then it's perfectly feasible that the universe will reach critical mass at some point, and collapse in on itself at the speed of light. And as the universe starts to implode and everything's going a bit pear-shaped, black holes might start appear throughout the universe, each multiplying the destructive power of the event in a huge chain reaction, with time and space literally ripping at the seams faster and faster until every single particle in the universe ceases to exist, taking every single thing back to the state that the universe was in before the big bang...

Or, if you think that quantum mechanics is right - by dint of the 'uncertainty princable' everything, every single particle, every atom and electron, and in fact every apparently 'empty space' isn't just 'there', but is actually in a constant state of flux - they actually represent every single particle that could ever be, for an imeasurably small length of time, before it collides with it's antiparticle and vanishes - what's known as a 'quantum fluctuation'. It's entirely possible that the universe was created because of one of these random quantum fluctuations, and it's just as likely that the whole universe could just vanish in the blink of an eye, because of a random quantum fluctuation...

Of course, either of those things could literally happen AT ANY TIME. There's no way of predicting them, and if they happen, we most probably won't know about it, because everything will just suddenly snap out of existence.

So, if we can't stop it, and we can't predict when it's going to happen - it's probably not worth worrying about wink

To be honest, I doubt that anything apocalyptic will happen in 2012. People (especially the New Age set) tend to tout the end of the world all the time. There was Y2K, there was when Hale Bop passed overhead and people committed suicide so that they could join it on it's galactic journey, there was apparently going to be a collision with Planet X or a polar shift in 2003... and wasn't Skynet supposed to become self aware and launch Judgement Day in 1997?!
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myself wrote:

so for the Mayans to predict it would probably be a lucky guess
I said this in reference to the black death, but the implication was that it would refer to any event beyond their prediction. I don't think (again, could be entirely wrong)that the Mayans understood even close to what we know about astronomy today, despite their extensive knowledge for that time. So any gigantic implosion on Dec 21 2012 would be coincidental, and not something they predicted. Catch my drift?
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What I'll give 2012, is that it's been built up really well. smile

Do people who buy into this kind of thing tend to find another delusion after *the world doesn't end*, or is the shock of a life after __,__,____ a little bit of an eye opener?

Other similar events can't all be compared to each other so easily I think. 2012 is a bit more daunting than 'the computers will fail' phenomenon people were worried about in 2000. 2012 is based on mystical concepts from a dead culture about a change in the calendar their culture was based on. I don't think the mass 'crazies' of today can be compared to the cultist activity example, which is rooted in delusional, manipulative, narcissistic individuals who influence a group. I guess it's more just specific and evil in nature, whereas pretty much everyone is privy to the 2012 Phenomenon today. Sure it's all the same delusion, but this one's pretty historically interesting. I mean, it's been a LOT of years coming, regardless of whether it is actually anything. It's also based on a very mystical/religious large civilization that was destroyed by western culture relatively recently in the scheme of things, so the interpretation and scale of it isn't surprising.

Also, in regards to the "accuracy" of the date, the Mayan calendar is actually pretty damn accurate. December 21, 2012 is the winter solstice that year, it's not just an abstract day. It's just not significant to most educated people in that way. I've met several people who have dedicated their entire lives to studying the Mayan people, and they simply don't have beliefs rooted in apocalypse, or apocalyptic catastrophe. Some people thing the event predicted to mark the end of the calendar may be off by around 60 days.

To be clear, I find no significance in the day other than the fact that it's been so hyped as it approaches, and that something could happen just as it could on any day. If it's cosmic in nature or something like that, it would surely be Earth shattering in more ways than one.

Also, fascinating and terrifying concepts, Arktic. Damn.
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It would really suck if the world ends in 2012 though.

Not that I care about the world or anyone in it, but I'm too f@%#ng excited to see if Back to the Future was right about flying cars in 2015!
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Oh god, I can't wait to see the people that saw Back to the Future in theaters react to being in 2015.
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I just want a pair of those self-lacing Nikes. Those are fly as f*ck.
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Just to put things into context, here's a small list of failed end of the world predictions : http://www.religioustolerance.org/end_wrl2.htm

Arktic - The universe is expanding, Hubbles Law/Being able to measure the critical density of the universe are pieces of evidence for the Universe being created by a Big Bang. Fortunately for us, the gravity that we believed would slow down the expansion and bring about the 'Big Crunch' is so far, speeding up the expansion. Unfortunately - we neither really understand gravity or the dark matter that's behind the acceleration.

Secretly, I hope Cthulu is coming. Mostly because that would baffle the scientists and aggravate the religious.
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Has any of the scaremongerers out there (Not on this forum- people on the telly and stuff) ever thought that it ends because they couldn't create a calendar that goes to infinity? We buy a calendar every year and just because it runs out at the end of december doesn't mean it's the end of the world.
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Aculag wrote:

I just want a pair of those self-lacing Nikes. Those are fly as f*ck.
I have a feeling they might actually be made and "realeased" in 2015.
That would be the most amazing marketing ever. Imo.
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Klut wrote:

Aculag wrote:

I just want a pair of those self-lacing Nikes. Those are fly as f*ck.
I have a feeling they might actually be made and "realeased" in 2015.
That would be the most amazing marketing ever. Imo.
And then they'd be super-expensive so you'd see all these 40 and 50 year-olds walking around with them smile
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Klut wrote:

I have a feeling they might actually be made and "realeased" in 2015.
That would be the most amazing marketing ever. Imo.
I've heard rumors that they will do just that, but they're only rumors.

Your jacket is drying.
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Apocalypse surely has the most effective viral campaign I've ever seen, allthough it's timing proved rather unreliable so far.

Shockingly (or amusingly, depending on my state of empathy) there are lots of people who believe it every time. Then again, people believe a lot of strange things - but that's a topic restricted to go into. :I
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Can't wait to see people all over the side walks and streets with little signs taped to their backs and chests saying, "The end is near!" Sorry, couldn't resist, I had that idea floating in my head for a while. biggrin
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Well...two more years...why are we wasting time worrying about it at this moment in time? smile
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OK, same time same thread in two years?
Nice.
See you all then!
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KLUT, I'M BACK! - I'm back FROM the Future!!
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OMG! Did you bring me a pair of Nikes?
::::::::::ZOMG!

And a hoverboard? Please please please please please!
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Oh... guess you didn't want this Almanac, then... *throws it away*
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Why would I want it? It only covered 1950-2000!
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Just like all the other times the world was supposed to end, nothing will happen.
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OK, so I've recently found out that the Mayan calender predicted something GOOD! I guess it could be like a spiritual awakening or whatever you want to call it. If this awakening gives us powers, the... I CALL FIREBENDING!!!!!! To late peopl, I called it! MUAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
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What I find spooky is the Film Demolition Man where Sandra Bullock is touring Sly around the muesium of the "horrible Earthquake of 2010" How did they know? oooooooooooooooooo!
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You know what's weird? I was watching Demolition Man for the first time as I read the above comment. Coincidence? I THINK NOT! It's a sign, people!
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Pooky wrote:

Klut wrote:

Aculag wrote:

I just want a pair of those self-lacing Nikes. Those are fly as f*ck.
I have a feeling they might actually be made and "realeased" in 2015.
That would be the most amazing marketing ever. Imo.
And then they'd be super-expensive so you'd see all these 40 and 50 year-olds walking around with them smile
Sorry for bumping, but they are here.

http://www.omg-facts.com/view/Facts/43497

SPOILER ALERT

They don't laze themselves.
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And they're super expensive, and you can't wear them.
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I do not believe the world is going to end than. Mayans where just humans, they couldn't see into the future. I think when they stopped making the calendars was when they died from drinking that contaminated water from there drinking hole and got sick.
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Micah master studios wrote:

I do not believe the world is going to end than. Mayans where just humans, they couldn't see into the future. I think when they stopped making the calendars was when they died from drinking that contaminated water from there drinking hole and got sick.
We can stop worrying now.
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Yes, surely the Mayans all died out (Ps. They're still around today) because they drank water from a hole like the jungle animals they were.
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I mean, they ran around in the jungle naked trying to sacrifice eachother.... wink
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Aculag

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Mel Gibson taught me everything I need to know about the Maya civilization.
Posted: Mon, 26th Sep 2011, 4:25pm

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Klut

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Lucky you. He only taught me how to take a beating.