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Posted: Mon, 3rd Mar 2008, 9:43am

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Hi,

I'm finishing a film off and as with all other films my opening titles let it down sad
I was wondering if anyone had the time and wanted to create something that would be great.
I can't pay but your name will on credits and if you live in the UK you can come to the screening at Pinewood Studios on the 27th March along with a personal tour if you come before the screening.

If yes let me know and i'll supply you with the text/title for the opening credits.

thanks
ian
Posted: Mon, 3rd Mar 2008, 10:37am

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I can't do anything for free, but if you reconsider your offer to pay, I can probably give you a preferable rate.

Also, I think you need to give more information about what you need... is it (for example) white text on a plain black background, or a more involved full title sequence?

Thanks,
Arktic.
Posted: Mon, 3rd Mar 2008, 10:44am

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Hi Ian, more details would be useful - I may be able to do something for you if it's a simple end roller, for instance, but if it's for a commercial project (Roswell, or one of the others that has cash attached) I'd need to take some of that cash - got my own rent to pay, and a 'titles typed by' credit doesn't really boost my IMDB!
Posted: Mon, 3rd Mar 2008, 10:47am

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More details would always be good?
Posted: Mon, 3rd Mar 2008, 11:16am

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b4uask30male

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hi,
thanks,

it's funny a few years back i asked the same thing for a film and had offers, all didn't ask for money as they knew the films i make are no budget, ofcouse since making budgeted films the comments now change to wanting money sad

this film is called "call me a psycho" it's a remake of a film i made 20 years ago, it's a no budget film and we started it over two years ago, due to other budgeted films this got left to the back of the pile.
I've managed to find the time to finish shooting it on HDV and as we have since met distributors and such from our other projects they are interested in this, even though i've told them it's shot with zero money put into it.
One distributor saw the trailer i made over a year ago and said when it's done they want to see it, along with the actors that's in the film the screening has casting agents, distributors and magazines that i've managed to ask to come, all know it's a no budget film.

The titles that i would have done myself would have been simple white text used in sony vegas saying the normal stuff at the start of a film, eg: actors, written by and then the title.
But i've seen what some of you guys have done and for some reason i've either not got the software or skill to do such things.

anything would be better than just white text sad

thanks
ian
Posted: Mon, 3rd Mar 2008, 11:51am

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If distributors are interested in the film, then obviously there will be money involved. So it's no longer a Nobudget project.


And yes, more details are always good. So can you be a bit more specific?
Posted: Mon, 3rd Mar 2008, 12:08pm

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Ok, so lets say:

I dig deep into my pockets with no money and manage to pay someone to do titles, they be the only person paid from the film!

Lets say, I the distributors turn up (which I hope they do) and i've paid for titles, then they don't want the film because it's not good enough then i'm out of pocket on a film that was never ment to make money.

Lets say, a nice person helps with the titles and we sell the film, the title maker and everyone else involved in the film would be given something for helping, please don't ask how much, that's like saying how long is a piece of string, it depends on what is offered.

Possibly I should have said, to those people that know me and trust me, they know I would repay them some way, but to those that think i'm rich thanks for reading the post but on this project I can't pay.

As regards titles, i guess this is why i'm asking, the main title of the film "call me a psycho" i guess would be good if it dripped blood or was hacked in half, but for the normal directed by stuff anything other than white text.
Sorry i can't say more, if i could i'd try myself sad
Posted: Mon, 3rd Mar 2008, 1:17pm

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Hi Ian,

I think the difference now is that you've announced on these boards that you've now got distributed feature films, which means you're attracting money. Clearly, you wouldn't give a film away for free, so we're getting into the professional territory - professional means getting paid for the work you do, and conversely paying for the work you need.

As opposed to your scenario below of spending money on titles upfront before seeing if your distributor will pick the film up, show the film without titles - it's quite common to push titling costs into distribution, so a temporary logo will do the job
Posted: Mon, 3rd Mar 2008, 2:13pm

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sorry, i've never said i've got a film distributed, i've said we had offers and the people that paid for the film to be made want to hold on a little.

So, in terms of money, i'm still poor but at the very least i'm poor but trying.

Don't worry about the titles, can i ask a question about titles that won't cost me?

I know fcp has good titles is there anything like that on the pc? (for titles not editing)

Thanks
Ian
Posted: Mon, 3rd Mar 2008, 2:39pm

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Ahh OK, I thought you'd had territorial offers that you'd accepted (I'd assumed you'd accepted them!).

For titling, you could try Boris, or even drawing something in The Gimp or Flash

But I'd seriously show it without fancy titling, if they're a distributor worth their salt, that won't be the deciding factor.
Posted: Mon, 3rd Mar 2008, 2:48pm

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Titles can be done using absolutely anything, so it depends entirely on what exactly you want. They don't need to be done in a titling program - in fact, if you want something other than simple 'text on a screen', chances are a titling program won't cut it.

You don't even need to use a computer. If you want something with blood dripping off it, how about actually building the title as a model, and literally dripping blood (well, fake blood!) down it? That'd probably look pretty cool.

Alternatively, some cool stuff can be done with motion graphics. The simple FXhome idents I did years ago were created in VisionLab, working only from the original FXhome logo still image.

http://fxhome.com/credits

Like the others have said, the reason people were questioning was due to the lack of detail in your original posts. Given your recent apparent success with distributors, screenings at professional studios, attracting well-known TV actors and getting coverage on SKY TV etc, the inevitable conclusion was that you were working on a more pro level.

If that's not the case then that's fine, but you do need to be specific otherwise people will of course wonder. smile

I'd recommend going for PDRG's suggestion - I'm sure distribs won't mind basic titles for the screener. If they then want something flashy that can be factored into the finishing budget or something. Unless, of course, somebody offers to do the work for free.

Whenever professional work is involved it is vital to be clear from the start about the nature of the project, otherwise people will just get confused.
Posted: Mon, 3rd Mar 2008, 7:54pm

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Hi, Ian!

I did my best to create these titles and I hope you'll like them. You didn't give any special criteria so I've just let my mind go wild and here's what I came up with :
http://video.mail.ru/mail/hugoerikssen/17/51.html

I don't have a lot of free time, so I'm afraid I couldn't do any radical changes.However, If you like it I'll be happy to send it to you as long as you get me credited.
Posted: Mon, 3rd Mar 2008, 11:20pm

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If your movie is compelling, powerful, unique, with a killer plot that can sell by itself - who cares about how the credits look?

By the time someone is watching your movie - they've already paid for it.

No one ever says 'man good film, but the credits suck!'

If you're spending so much time on your opening credits - i assume everything else in your film is perfect.

Remember. There is no value in free. So, just like in life - you get what you pay for. This is why you're having problems getting help.

And you're kidding - is Vegas that crappy you can't produce 'half-decent' titles in it?? Wow.

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Posted: Tue, 4th Mar 2008, 12:04am

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EvilDonut, you really, really, really need to understand what you're about to respond to before you comment on it.

Everyone has their own view of how they want their films, not yours. Obviously he would like decent opening titles to help bring his film together.

And to comment on your comment on Vegas... It's titling system is good if you know what you're doing...

b4uask30male wrote:

The titles that i would have done myself would have been simple white text used in sony vegas saying the normal stuff at the start of a film, eg: actors, written by and then the title.
But i've seen what some of you guys have done and for some reason i've either not got the software or skill to do such things.
And generally 3 out of 10 people here will do such things for free.
Posted: Tue, 4th Mar 2008, 12:24am

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Hugo3 - that was a nice looking idea!

Evil Donut - Huh? That's like saying I shouldn't bother motion graphics tracking and design of the neon sign in Motor Lodge (my film)because some of the dialogue isn't that great. I try to make each piece as GOOD AS I CAN MAKE IT - which means some things come out better than others...

b4uask30male: You could do things like what Hugo did right in Vegas! Is it just that you don't have ideas for what you want or you don;t know how to achieve them?


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Posted: Tue, 4th Mar 2008, 12:29am

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SilverDragon7 wrote:

EvilDonut, you really, really, really need to understand what you're about to respond to before you comment on it.

Everyone has their own view of how they want their films, not yours. Obviously he would like decent opening titles to help bring his film together.
His film being bought or not bought by distributors - will have *nothing* *nothing* to do with titles. So, with that said, why should one even concentrate so much on them?

Remember The Sopranos? Can't get any more boring titles than that. Did that stop viewers?

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Posted: Tue, 4th Mar 2008, 4:02am

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This is funny, because you're essentially wrong on both parts.

EvilDonut wrote:

SilverDragon7 wrote:

EvilDonut, you really, really, really need to understand what you're about to respond to before you comment on it.

Everyone has their own view of how they want their films, not yours. Obviously he would like decent opening titles to help bring his film together.
His film being bought or not bought by distributors - will have *nothing* *nothing* to do with titles. So, with that said, why should one even concentrate so much on them?
I'm not saying it has everything to do with everything, but crappy titles certainly hurt a distribution deal. Distributors likely want to see two things: presentation and marketability. The 'package deal', as I like to sell it in my own film includes slick titles. It's all part of the work as a whole.

And this is really besides the point. You're arguing him out of buying a chain saw when he's already bought one cut down a tree. Ian wants something specific; whether he gets it exactly or not- why counter it? I use fairly simplistic text myself in all of my movies but if I wanted a distributor I'd no doubt go back and have someone do some After Effects titling for me.

Really, this is just a silly argument.

Remember The Sopranos? Can't get any more boring titles than that. Did that stop viewers?

d
I do remember the Sopranos. I also remember personally sitting down for my first episode because of simplistic but well-done beginning credits with an awesome song. It was the "hook" for the show before people realized Sopranos itself was a hook, and even David Chase the creator has said this.

More and more people comment on the beginning credits getting them into it mid-season than the actual show. Funny.
Posted: Tue, 4th Mar 2008, 8:39am

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Thanks Hugo3 that really is cool, see my problem is i just can't seem to think like that, what you done there i couldn't have imagined, if i sat and tried to do something like that (without seeing yours to copy) i'd have just had white text going blurry, what you done with the layers is really good.
I guess it's like drawing, you either have it or you don't sad

what did you use to make that with the blood etc,?
Posted: Tue, 4th Mar 2008, 11:50am

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crappy titles certainly hurt a distribution deal. Distributors likely want to see two things: presentation and marketability. The 'package deal', as I like to sell it in my own film includes slick titles. It's all part of the work as a whole.
That's pretty much entirely wrong.

Yes, a distributor wants their product to be slick - but that's ONCE you've had the budget put towards it and you're able to spend the money on a decent motion graphics artist etc.

If the film is crap, having great titles won't swing a distributor. If the film is great, but the titles are awful, they'll just tell you to get them re-done with more budget behind them.
Posted: Tue, 4th Mar 2008, 12:09pm

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sorry just to say why i want the titles done for the screening is because i've also got the cast and crew coming, i'd hate them to see it with no titles or bad titles, not really worried about the distributors it's more of a finished package i'd like to show all those that helped with it.
Posted: Tue, 4th Mar 2008, 2:31pm

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I'll try to whip up something smile
Posted: Tue, 4th Mar 2008, 3:58pm

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Hi Thanks, but someone else has offered already.

thank you.
Posted: Tue, 4th Mar 2008, 5:20pm

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b4uask30male wrote:

sorry just to say why i want the titles done for the screening is because i've also got the cast and crew coming, i'd hate them to see it with no titles or bad titles, not really worried about the distributors it's more of a finished package i'd like to show all those that helped with it.
Why not take the time to learn how to make good titles in Vegas? I can do it in vegas in 2 minutes, and i haven't used it in ages.

It's so easy and knowing this can help you on the next film.

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Posted: Tue, 4th Mar 2008, 5:36pm

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I think this is ridiculous. I think you should try to make EACH PIECE of your film the BEST that you can, regardless of everything else. For all we know, this film is brilliant, amazing, well written, well acted, well shot- and he wants to put some nice opening credits on the thing. I'm not a big fan of telling people not to do something because something else might be lacking- Constantly on this forum someone asks something and 5 people will tell them why what they are asking isn't important and that they should consider their story etc... more before worrying about whatever it is they are asking. Why not just tell them what they want to know and then suggest they work on the rest? If someone asks me what time it is, I don't suggest that they learn how to build a watch...
Posted: Tue, 4th Mar 2008, 7:32pm

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thanks EvilDonut, but i think you have missed my point, i've got AE, 3ds max, vegas and could make titles as i've done in the past.

What i'm lacking is the imagination to create good titles, so mine end up plain white as i try and try to make titles look good they don't and i end up putting up with the plain text, this time I thought i'd ask for help, i'm no stranger to hard work, but i lack something when it comes to titles, the wife moans at my titles sad
Posted: Wed, 5th Mar 2008, 6:42am

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B4U,
I noticed you said you have 3dmax. Here is a link for a tut on how to make text in that program:

http://www.videocopilot.net/tutorials.html?id=78

Also, you could try this in AE:

http://www.videocopilot.net/tutorials.html?id=26

Hope these help!