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Full Action, no story and Project Test

Posted: Mon, 3rd Mar 2008, 5:15pm

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Some very high energy action sequences with no story so don't pay attention to the French speaking...XD A big tribute to John Woo lol !

In fact, we are planning a John Woo Style action short film but we prefered making some good tests in DV before shooting this next film project in 35mm as usually.
We stressed tested EffectLabs and we are quite impressed as usually by this program as well as "Marcos" Footage we used too...

Just enjoy this piece of no story just action and fun ...


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Posted: Mon, 3rd Mar 2008, 6:59pm

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Another Mostefei film, finally!

Downloading now, I can't wait for this, man.
Posted: Mon, 3rd Mar 2008, 8:20pm

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As Ben said, I'm downloading it right now...
Posted: Mon, 3rd Mar 2008, 8:26pm

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Was that a French Jason Statham!?

I don't think I've seen better camera work than this by any other film submitted in the FXhome cinema. Congrats on that. The only thing I didn't really like was the dialog. Was it overdubbed? But this was just a test, and a good one at that! I really can't wait to see the full short film!

I rated this as an actual movie, so I gave it 3/5 stars. Which I think is good considering it's a test!
Posted: Mon, 3rd Mar 2008, 8:46pm

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FreshMentos wrote:

Was that a French Jason Statham!?
Yes... Yes it was.

This is an awesome test. I wish I could understand the French parts, I'm sure they're suppose to be be funny lines.

5/5 - rated as an effects test.
Posted: Mon, 3rd Mar 2008, 9:24pm

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THat's really funny that you say Jason statham because all my friends said this to me ! smile

And yes the french parts are funny lines hehe wink But a lot of bad words...
and yes it is overdubbed for some parts... wink

and yes pretty hard to try to create some intense camerawork in order to give a very high speed sensation. ANd I found some good thing such as using very low lense wide angle near the ground when you should in a closed space give a really result ... wink
Posted: Mon, 3rd Mar 2008, 11:50pm

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mmmprod wrote:

And yes the french parts are funny lines hehe wink But a lot of bad words...
My mom is from Paris, and when I was watching this, she walked by me and gave me the nastiest look. biggrin

Oh, I also forgot to mention, the music was top notch!
Posted: Mon, 3rd Mar 2008, 11:53pm

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looool
sorry for your mother unsure

Music is from Harry Gregson William 'Déja Vu") my favorite composer
Posted: Tue, 4th Mar 2008, 1:51am

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Awesome "test" movie. 5/5

Love the music, too. 'Deja Vu' has a great soundtrack.
Posted: Tue, 4th Mar 2008, 2:35am

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yes indeed smile
Posted: Tue, 4th Mar 2008, 4:30am

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That was fantastic. 5/5 from me, can't wait to see the actual film you're planning.
Posted: Tue, 4th Mar 2008, 7:53am

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Seems like I'm the one who differs.

Funny enough, it was particularly the camera work and editing I didn't like much in this test. Lots of movement + quick cuts + zooms + plus frantic shaking doesn't automatically equal good action camera for me. It's mostly just quick movement with loads of zooms and blurs and I do find it, after a while, even annoying.
I know this is the latest "hip" thing to do in terms of camerawork, bourne did it, Kingdom did it, even Batman begins really shook the camera when stuff was happening - but I personally just don't like when I can't really see what's happening. And I think with all the moving around the essential parts of camera work get lost or don't get the attention they should. Which was the same here. There were loads of oddly framed shots where you simply MISSED the point of action in there and cuts which were just there for the sake of it. And frantic movement can't distract me enough from seeing that other, vital marks of camerawork aren't on the same level.

For me, the excellent cinematography in your other productions is far superior to this.
Posted: Tue, 4th Mar 2008, 1:00pm

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nice review wink even if it's not a good one.
You are right, I wanted to try something else... And you are also right when you say that it's really different from my other ^production that's why I made this test. I wanted to try anothr way of filmmaking.
The problem with this kind of camerawork is that it results in two opinions people really like this kind of shooting because they get used to it such as 24 - and all the films you mentionned and in the other hand people can hate this kind of editing and filmmaking because they found that too eratic and I can understand that. It's a bit a kind of poker...
My other productions are more "academic" style I wanted to explore other way, maybe I'm too influenced by all american stuff out there...lol

but that's why I make this test... to see if poeple can understand this way of filmmaking...


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Posted: Wed, 5th Mar 2008, 5:27am

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That was awesome! Being a huge fan of 24-style camera work and all. I'm looking forward to more!
Posted: Thu, 6th Mar 2008, 3:10am

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I thought this was extremely mixed...


the repeated actions annoyed the hell out of me, and felt extremely out of place in a "Late 1980's" sort of way.


But some of the shots and action were VERY well done. Also, the actual picture quality was shockingly high for SD.
Posted: Thu, 6th Mar 2008, 5:01am

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It was shot with a PANASONIC DVX 100 B wink
Posted: Thu, 6th Mar 2008, 3:21pm

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i really liked it especially the camera work.

How did you do the bit where there shooting each over through the stacks of shelves (i think its this bet) and the camera zooms from one to the over.
Posted: Thu, 6th Mar 2008, 7:55pm

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you just have to turn around the characters two or three time and stop each time you are focused on one of them...
Then when you edit the scene you change the duration and put 300% faster each time the camera starts the "turn around thing" and you add a very low motion blur... wink that's it
Posted: Thu, 6th Mar 2008, 9:50pm

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thanks will try this. And btw one thing i would change is the colour of the blood it seems a bit "bright".
Posted: Fri, 7th Mar 2008, 1:43am

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in fact I have to learn the way of keying because I'm not really good at this game but I'll try to darken the blood
Posted: Fri, 7th Mar 2008, 7:09pm

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I think you really captured the John Woo style smile especially when the guy with big eyebrows jumped over that desk in slow motion. Looks like you been playing allot of stranglehold hah i have too. Th short hair guy reminds me of Jason Stratham a little. Love it if you make a project i will defiantly watch when done.
Posted: Sat, 8th Mar 2008, 2:09am

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smilesmilesmilesmile
Posted: Mon, 10th Mar 2008, 12:18pm

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how can u afford to shoot on 35mm film
Posted: Mon, 10th Mar 2008, 7:11pm

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pretty long walk !
First thing you have to be a part (the chance!) of a production studio even a small one... which would be able to find all money for you.
They will prepare a very big project files and send it to all company which help french cinema...
But this is for france don't know how to do it with other countries
Here we gave a company called CNC which take % on all film in the cinema american film, french, italian whatever) they take a sort of tax like 0.5% of all box office $$ and then they distribute the money for making other film in order to help french film inductry and above all the smallest films, such as short film
we will seek their help as usually. But you really need to show them that yo are a serious person, already directed numerous film, won some festivals, followed by a production studio,...

But we also put our money too! sad
I also teach lightning and photography in a film school, they can give me all I want such as lights, 35mm camera,... as for the film Lucky STrike (you can also watch on FxHome)
So I just have to pay for the Kodak Film and the other usual things...

Anyway I could write more but there is no real path to follow when you can want to shoot in 35mm and when you look for the money.
Just keep in mind that you cannot make this for nothing you have to earn some money with your film or win some festival prices otherwise you won't be able to do another one...
Posted: Wed, 12th Mar 2008, 4:17am

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For a test this looked great, best camera work I'v seen on FXHome. Keep up the good work.
Posted: Sun, 16th Mar 2008, 5:50am

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I really like the look of this. The image quality, Depth of Field, and Grading are great.

However

Your fx were not very good at all. I didn't buy the gunshots or bullet hits for a second (sorry) they just weren't realistic.

This is just my opinion, but I hate this style of camera work and editing. Which is why I prefer The Bourne Identity to its sequels. This sort of Paul Greengrass style of "Random snap zoom, now shake the camera til the audience pukes" is just not my favorite thing. I think its overdone and I think a lot of times its used to cover weaknesses in other areas such as choreography or the abilities of the actors to move well (not to say thats the case here). Also, when he does his little acrobatic move and you replay it over and over doesn't sit well with me. To me it cheapens the action (which was pretty cool to begin with) but when you do the repeated action thing its like saying "LOOK HOW AWESOME THIS IS" and its just too much.

I know you are a professional and I can see you have talent from watching this video... but I just didn't like it very much.
Posted: Sun, 16th Mar 2008, 6:30am

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I loved the firing scene when the camera was moving around the equipment! The lighting situation works perfect for it and the effects are too! Nice work! biggrin
Posted: Sun, 16th Mar 2008, 10:22pm

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Indeed when you use this kind of Paul GreenGrass style you have both reaction, people who hate this style and people who love it you don't have any middle in this kind of situation...hehe

But I think this kind of style is pretty usefull when you do something without money and you want to give a sort of very good rythm. I'm always afraid that poeple can be bored by too soft and low rythm images...

For the FX, I agree with you for the Bullet hit as I'm not a Keying specialist that's why I made this test but I probably won't use them inmy next stuff...

But EffectLab Pro muzzle flash are good enough to make the deal and it's a way easier to work them much rather than footage I used for bullet hit...
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FOr the multiple replay I wanted to make it as John Woo style movie such as ZE KILLER or HARD BOILED but it's pretty haaaaaaaaaard to make John Woo style movie or sequence without being ridiculous
Posted: Thu, 20th Mar 2008, 8:17pm

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that was really good - i agree about the paul greengrass effect... it really rells you - i'm still a bit dizzy. It's really good, and well graded. dubbing of the voice was 50-50, but overall 4 star **** very well done.
Posted: Sun, 4th May 2008, 12:46am

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Personally I agree with solthar, im not a fan of the quick cuts, very shakey camera. I also found the ending gunfight with the 17 different angles of the guy swinging around to shoot one person a little comical. I felt a slow motion shot of him swinging around would have sufficed rather than 7 different angles of the same action.

but, this was a test, and you wanted to do something different. Thats just my opinion. Make what you want man, I did dig it, the action was intense, and the gun fights were badass. Can't wait to see what you finally put together man, havn't seen a mmmprod movie in a long time!

3.5/5 rounded to 4/5 from me.