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Panzer Corps Teaser

Posted: Thu, 10th Apr 2008, 10:59am

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It has been a while but here are the first shots from my film Panzer Corps. This is a fictional short film about a "cold war" between America, Russia and Germany.

I used the new MuzzlePlug plugin and I can't say enough about how much I like it. The interface is beautifully crafted and adding muzzle flashes couldn't be easier. I just love it!

All comments and suggestion will be taken to heart and I look forward to your feedback! So far there are over 100 effects shots and each one of them needs work; I have my own ideas about what stands out as fake but i want to hear what your thoughts are.

Also if you have not been to the site there is lots of content including war film tutorials, behind the scenes and blog. PanzerCorps.com

Thank you
Adam


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Posted: Thu, 10th Apr 2008, 10:23pm

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Hey Ceramite!

GREAT stuff man. Love the grading and the wardrobe, guns, and all your other productions look incredible.

Really can't wait to see more!!

Yeah, and MuzzlePlug is the cat's meow man.

Aloha
Posted: Sat, 12th Apr 2008, 12:02am

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The effects were beautiful. Thumbs up and a pat on the back for that.

My only problem would be that this doesn't really have a teaser 'feel' for me, nor does it show any story. So it's a 3 from me.

Plainly
Posted: Sat, 12th Apr 2008, 12:54am

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Garrison thank you, well the film will at least look cool, I'm not sue about the rest yet! smile It was great to see your comments, I can't wait to show you guys more!!

Plainly thank you! And I agree it doesn't reveal any other aspects of the film, in a few months I will have the film finished with a good trailer to follow!!

If anything could use improvement visually I am all ears. All of the shots need at least tweaking, but for me the shell casings "float" too much. What do you guys think??

Adam
Posted: Sat, 12th Apr 2008, 1:12am

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And the "cat's meow" actually made me laugh out loud!!!! biggrin
Posted: Sat, 12th Apr 2008, 1:47am

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Plainly wrote:

My only problem would be that this doesn't really have a teaser 'feel' for me, nor does it show any story. So it's a 3 from me.
Same here.

The effects were beautiful... Just b-e-a-utiful.

The only thing I would have done different is I wouldn't have made it black&white without sound (with sound I would have liked better even). And I would have painted out the telephone poles, which is pretty hard to do so I don't blame you.

3/5 stars.
Posted: Sat, 12th Apr 2008, 2:51am

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SilverDragon7 thank you!! I see where your coming from, whhewww sound will be months from now. You touched on something very big on my mind, the telephone poles.

Now the Same exact poles are in Band of Brothers episode 4, the cross member, everything look alike BUT do you think that it will distract away from the film? If they do, do you think Visually i could get away with painting the tops off so hopefully so it just looks like a dead tree or whatever??

Thank you
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Posted: Sat, 12th Apr 2008, 2:57am

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Ceramite wrote:

in a few months I will have the film finished with a good trailer to follow!!
Oh, cool! Yeah, I think you have tromendous potential.

Ceramite wrote:

If anything could use improvement visually I am all ears.
As I said, visually, it was fantastic. Just little tweaks here and there could improve it, such as:
* 0:21: The last 2 muzzle flashes of that shot seem to have been animated to move from right to left. I think - but this is just my opinion - that it looks a bit strange. This is very minor, though.
* Is that blood on the camera at 0:35? I'm not really sure - but then again, without colour, it's always hard to tell. Will the final movie have colour, or will it just be b&w? And if it is, indeed, blood, I'd make it a lot thicker. Appart frmo that, though, it's wonderful.

It's hard to give you critism, as it's pretty much flawless! Wow, I am stunned, now having watched your film, pausing it and looking at your effects. I am really looking forward to the final product (if you'll show it to us, of course!). slowclap

EDIT: For the poles, there are some shots (0:12, for instance) in which it would be very hard to take them out. And look at 0:24, too. You could take it out, but then the 'dead tree' is a lot brighter than the surrounding trees. Then, you'd need to get into either colour grading (to make it darker, and maybe even add some blur so we don't realise it's there as much) or matte painting. Personally, I think you're better off just leaving them there, but that's your choice, obviously. razz
Posted: Sat, 12th Apr 2008, 3:28am

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Good stuff Plainly!!!

I will smooth out those flashes, yeah they wiggle some... damn smile The final will be in black and white, at some point I relized it was going to take me forever and black and white would at least speed up the effects.

Thicker blood, no problem!!! Do you think it is too trendy for a "period piece"??

hahaha yeah those poles are brutal. Like you were saying in the end I was hoping the grading will take the emphasis off. The finished film will have darker blacks and film grain.. Man that is a tough call, spending tons of time on something that may or may not look good, or leave them in and work on other stuff... I'm letting my future self decided that. biggrin

You guys are my peers!!! I can't thank you enough for the feedback!
Adam

wow, youtube is strobing right now, hopefully it goes back to smooth.
Posted: Sat, 12th Apr 2008, 6:50am

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Admittedly I only watched the teaser once and I see what you mean about the floaty shell casings.

And then I noticed the utility poles, but you are right, there were utility poles in Band of Brothers.. heck they've had telegraph poles back in the wild west cowboy days.

Still great stuff though man. Keep it up.
Posted: Sat, 12th Apr 2008, 10:08am

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WOW!!! THIS LOOKS AWSOME! GREAT USE OF STOCK FOOTAGE 5/5 YOU DESERVE NO LESS! biggrin
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This looks really cool and is a great use of stock footage and muzzle engines. The gunfire really DOES look real and the costumes and props are great.

This shapes up to be a really cool project and I'm looking forward to seeing the final result!
Posted: Sat, 12th Apr 2008, 3:21pm

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I second everything that Sollthar said. Wow!
Posted: Sat, 12th Apr 2008, 8:23pm

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awesome
Posted: Sun, 13th Apr 2008, 4:43pm

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Thank you guys!!

Garrison- HAHAHA yeah some people didn't even believe telephone poles existed then. biggrin Man I'm torn if i should attempt to take them out, i guess i could try one of the harder shots first and see how that goes.

Sollthar your footage rules! I need to update my site and what I used and why. For all the gun shots I did two to three single muzzle flashes using MuzzlePlug, then filled in with your stock footage~ Beauty! I have to thank you, I took a week off to hammer on the effects and I got to a point where i needed more stock footage. I put in an online order and you must have been sitting at your computer because i got a download key within five minutes!!!

What I love about your footage is there is no title screen and the effects start on frame one (make it very easy to time), the edges have a fade (which makes them easy to composite) and everything is well named (quick to find) annnnd they look great! I used the guneffects, sparks, blood and fog extensively.

Thank you again, if anything else could be improved let me know. biggrin
Posted: Sun, 13th Apr 2008, 5:25pm

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Great stuff. I look forward to seeing where you take it. I think the B&W worked out nicely, but then I am a sucker for it. The explosions looked solid, were they stock, pyros or both?

I wish you the best of luck in the project, it looks like great fun. Music was apt for the piece also smile
Posted: Sun, 13th Apr 2008, 5:50pm

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Beautiful shots, awesome stuff. Especially the amazing explosion at 00:24. I swear when the music started I expected it to transition into RudyPicardo's music track, CombatSymphony.

That added, and I would've thought this was totally badass. Still can't wait. I know it's completely opinion, but I'd add more contrast to the black and white so it doesn't feel so washed out and has more intensity.
Posted: Sun, 13th Apr 2008, 6:26pm

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The explosions were admirable and ultimately awesome. Any insight on to how you went about creating them? They look authentic. Overall, this project looks spectacular.
Posted: Sun, 13th Apr 2008, 6:41pm

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Ceramite wrote:

Garrison- HAHAHA yeah some people didn't even believe telephone poles existed then. biggrin Man I'm torn if i should attempt to take them out, i guess i could try one of the harder shots first and see how that goes.
I would like to see a more high quality version of this (flash or quicktime) but off hand, I wouldn't take out the poles as they are not THAT historically questionable or out-of-place. But if there is a telephone substation that reads "Hawaiian Telephone Company" in the background, then yeah, work on taking it out. eek

And Sollthar's Effects pack is an absolute must-have for the independent ain't it?
Posted: Sun, 13th Apr 2008, 8:01pm

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Ashman- Thank you! Everything is stock, we did use a smoke machine in the final scene for the a few shots but i had to fill in those shots with more stock footage as well. We had to wrap that day and the sun was fading on us. Brutal. smile

Atom- That was tight! Reminds me of old DJ Shadow . Totally everything now is a flat gray, once everything is finished i'm going to do a final grade. The whites are knocked down to 90% so they are a light gray like in WWII photos, then a film grain will be added and the blacks will be crushed some at the end. Right now i have been using trapcode's shine to add light rays and highlight spots to generate fake pools of light, man that is a Slooooow render. A :15 shot can take four minutes to render, then it looks silly and you have to do it again. *open mouth, insert gun* biggrin

Klausky thank you! The explosions are from Detonation Film's HD collection, they are a combo of DetFilmsHD HDBR_NATURAL_01 for the dirt hit and DetFilmsHD FIRECHROME_01 for the filler black smoke. If you ask me wide shots are tricky, i did a two point track so the effect stays in place and tracks for camera rotation. Then you have to rotoscope out the foreground, you guys haven't seen the UGLY shots that need some serious work. Ultimately some shots have taken me 2-4 hours just to rough in and they are still ugly.

Garrison- Cool, soon as i can i'll slap some shots together for you to take a look at. There is one shot where a pole is growing out of the actor's head, damn DP.... wait that was me! AH! HAHAHAHA (that is a must fix). Yeah his effects are amazing, between them, detonation films and fxhome you can make something pretty slick. Hey if the film does well maybe i could get into a festival in Hawaii and check out your setup! I just need to fix the premies of the film, the acting, get accepted to a festival and have them fly me out- no biggie wink
Posted: Mon, 14th Apr 2008, 2:23pm

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To me the telephone poles are kinda random in the middle of the forest-type area. I didn't forget they didn't exist, but just random.
Posted: Mon, 14th Apr 2008, 3:16pm

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Hey Adam,

It's BWPproductions (BP Productions) from youtube, I just wanna say I can't wait for this bad boy to be finished! This movie looks amazingly well made. Good luck and hope to hear back from you!

-Brett Plank of BP Productions
Posted: Sat, 19th Apr 2008, 3:43pm

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SilverDragon7- yep thats just about i how i feel about them, natural that they exist, just odd that they are there. Killer smile

The whole reason we shot there was the limited amount of set dressing, we made the tank traps out of foam. We got concertina wire from the US Army (two of our actors are Army Rangers) and by the way, concertina wire is evil evil evil stuff. It just latches on to EVERYTHING even itself, you can ruin a pair of gloves in minutes. We could have shot in a field but the guys could have easily flanked the bunker. Trade offs.

Yo Brett! You were one of panzercorps' first friends, Its great to hear from you and thank you for support on both the sites!!!! I can't wait for this to be done to, i sick of looking at it HAHAHAHA speaking of that i have 12 hours ahead of me of effects time, uhhhh..12:00, i'll start then. Great to hear from you!!!
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THAT WAS BY FAR THE BEST MOVIE I HAVE EVER SEEN ON FXHOME BY FAR!

YOU GUYS ROCK!

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Posted: Mon, 21st Apr 2008, 3:09pm

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Cool stuff, although I did spot one muzzle flash that needed some masking. It's a low shot of a guy firing right next to one of the concrete obstructions. It looked like the flash should go behind the concrete, not in front.
Posted: Thu, 1st May 2008, 2:56am

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D3L3T10N- Well Thank you!!!!

Tarn- Thank you very much for the comment!! I see what your talking about, i'll fix that up. You guys have a great community here, Thank you!
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Thank you for posting a good teaser.
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The production design and overall "feel" of this was exceptionally well done. You must have put a lot of time into getting it to look as slick as it does.

Now +1 me too wink
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Looks great! Looking forward to it..
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I like it a LOT. All the digital effects look very real, my one complaint, and I donno if you can help this, but the ejected shells come out to slow, and also look very fake. If you can speed them up a tad, that might make them look better? You may have already tried this though, im just making a suggestion, other than that, dude that was fantastic.

Im sure the black and white helps a ton as well with making the digital effects look more real. Ive had a hard time making digital effects look right in color footage.
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Absolutely loved this. Looked incredible & the effects were terrific. My only criticism relates to the telegraph poles & overhead wires. They look modern, or at least caused me to think this didn't happen in the 1940s. Camera work & editing looked slick & professional. This will be amazing with the right sound effects thrown in.
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I thought the acting was outstanding! Dieing realistically is not easy, but every one of them did great. My favorite acting is the guy right after the tent fall, of course the head shot victim did great too! I thought the music worked nicely.
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Looks really good. The black and white helps that with digital effects but still, the way it's done looks very real.

Don't worry about the telephone poles... they existed back in the 40s after all.

The shot 00:10 seconds in looked like it could do with making a diagonal mask to mask out the muzzle and smoke there.

Well done and good luck.
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jmax- Thank you! Yeah this project has eaten up a year of my life (on and off). HAHAHA I can't +1, i got called out on that biggrin

Thrawn- Thank you, can't wait to show more!!

bamsukka- Yes totally! Two of the "actors" are army rangers and one gave me a long lecture about that HAHAHA. I have been changing them up but spiting them out quicker, more of a downward angle and adding a radial blur to get rid of the sharpness. Painful work.

Holy smokes yes, i decided to do black and white after making my first test. No color matching only contrast correcting. God bless black and white! biggrin

markjeppo- Thank you!! Yeah those damn poles eat me up...kills me. And double thank you, camera work is my bread and butter- I used the Fig Rig 100% of the time, it gave me that hand held feeling with out being "i want to throw up".

drspin98- Interesting comment! I had a lot of mild injuries on set (everyone signed a "due not sue me form"). When the tent guy fell the pole poked him just below his eye! *shivers*, the death that you liked was a 14 year old kid who knocked himself stupid landing on his unstrapped helmet, and the head shot guy jacked his neck up after a several takes. Thinking back everyone really gave it their all. Funny enough the last day of the shoot we were burning trash (middle of no where PA. where it is legal) and some dodo head put a spray paint can in the fire. It blew up and i have several burn scars to show for it. Lessons, i learned them. biggrin

Love that music, Moonlight Sonata.

Mellifluous-Thank you very much!! IF i ever speak in front of an audience I'm quoting you!! Heck i might just do a short history of telephone poles before the showing. HAHAHAHA

Kid you not i just masked that shot off on Sunday, it does look a lot better great eye! That shot was a mess, the fella didn't "die" in the middle of the shot (how dare he?!) ((just kidding, that was my fault)) so i had to do some funky shot moves to square him up as well. Your right, that mask puts the shot just behind the tank trap. Thank you still!!!


Fellas, your feed back is great! The super technical shot advice is really helping me, thank you for taking the time to help me!!!
Adam.
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wow dat was good! where dja get the explosions from? biggrin
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Vito Corleone- Thank you! The explosions are from detonation films in their HD stock. smile
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Ceramite wrote:

Vito Corleone- Thank you! The explosions are from detonation films in their HD stock. smile
Np, i thought it was amazing! hey check out the Ikari trailer in the cinema, im helping the director with the special fx for the film, and i put together most of the trailer;) Oh and thx for telling me about the stock footage:D
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This was really good. It didn't explain any of the plot, but in terms of effects and action it was almost perfect. The only real exceptions are at 0:09 and 0:16, where you should have done some masking. And I don't really like blood spatters on the lens, but that's just a personal preference.