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Posted: Fri, 12th Jul 2002, 8:30pm

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Hey everyone, i usually don't ask for other people's help...I try and do stuff meself, but I really need someone to help me out with something.

As many of you have come across before and read about that I am making an action short titled RedFruit. I need someone who is able to do 3d animation/rendering to make me a title.

I know exactly how I want it...but i don't have time to learn a 3d app now (with scopefest and all going on)

what i want is a thick red apple, which is just placid...then a bullet is shot (sound fx) and it goes straight through the apple...i want there to be some debris from the apple to be visisble from the bullet enterting/exiting. then, all that's needed is for the whole where the apple got shot to start bleeding.

I already asked KermZ a while ago, and he responded that he can make the apple, but can't animate it.

anyway up for it?

thanks
Posted: Fri, 12th Jul 2002, 8:33pm

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Ick...You asked me about this before and I didn't think I could do it. I sort of have an idea now, and I might try it, but i'll need to learn some particle stuff first. Who knows, wouldn't hurt to try. Or you could always film a REAL apple getting shot and just put some crazy arse filters on it to make it look cool.
Posted: Fri, 12th Jul 2002, 8:54pm

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Which way do you want the bullet to go, back to front, left to right.

I cant guarantee I can get it done but I will have a go.... Not to sure about the blood though...
Posted: Fri, 12th Jul 2002, 11:45pm

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i want it to sort of hit...coming from the right of the camera, at ain angle, so the bullet is off to the right.
Posted: Sat, 13th Jul 2002, 6:18am

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I can do it for you, but have I got it right... You want an apple... then a bullet to come trough it slowly? what happens with the apple then? does it explode? or just get a hole? And how long should it be? what should the backround color be? And then blood?
Posted: Sun, 14th Jul 2002, 12:06am

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ya, the bullet should go through fast...hear an ak47 gunshot from the back.

not explode, just some debris from the whole...and then the whole starts to bleed.
Posted: Mon, 15th Jul 2002, 8:21pm

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Right I got some WIP pictures done, just so you can see if it's going OK I am putting them into a Yahoo briefcase thingy...

I have some wispy spray to add, and I thought it should sit on some kind of surface so the blood has something to run onto...


Let me know what you think/what you want changing, be as brutal as you want, I will try to get a small video file done tonight aswell...

http://uk.photos.yahoo.com/otteypmalamdv
Posted: Mon, 15th Jul 2002, 8:27pm

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This album is currently empty. <--- Doesn't work. Either way, it's cool to see that your helping out. Good job!
Posted: Mon, 15th Jul 2002, 9:26pm

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right, I think they are working now, it's a right bloody chore setting them up for public sharing....
Posted: Mon, 15th Jul 2002, 9:52pm

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Hey well done looks pretty damm good to me! biggrin
Posted: Mon, 15th Jul 2002, 10:05pm

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WOW! Very Impressive! cool I'd suggest making the inside more pale not grey. But, like you said, its a WIP. Keep up the amazing work!
Posted: Mon, 15th Jul 2002, 10:24pm

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That looks superb. Good job, fella!
Posted: Tue, 16th Jul 2002, 6:18am

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Cheers dudes. I will try and render a video version tonight, the blood looks quite good in motion, the debris needs a bit of work though...
Posted: Tue, 16th Jul 2002, 6:40am

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that looks amazingly cool, can't wait to see the full video type thingy... biggrin
Posted: Tue, 16th Jul 2002, 3:38pm

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really cool. a few questiong though.

Can you make the apple a little more red? and rounder. like a freshly plucked apple.

the hole is a bit too big as well i think, but i haven't seen the animation, so not sure.

thanks
Posted: Tue, 16th Jul 2002, 4:04pm

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hopefully get the anim up later tonight, Ill fiddle about and then see what needs changing.
Posted: Tue, 16th Jul 2002, 7:07pm

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Right, a small video version is up.

http://uk.briefcase.yahoo.com/otteypmalamdv

I will test the link as soon as I post this.


What I like, colour and shape of the apple ( I can make it rounder if you want). And the blood.

I dont really like the motion on the debris, so I might try that again later in the week...

Anyway let me know what you want changing...



Edit.....


Well the link doesn't work as Yahoo briefcase files can no longer be shared publicly, so if anyone want to look at the vid email me and I can send you a direct link to the file (this is the only way yahoo lets you share now).
Posted: Wed, 17th Jul 2002, 12:16am

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Private Message me please with the direct link.
Posted: Wed, 17th Jul 2002, 9:28pm

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At last...


I decided to scrap this briefcase nonsense and just set up a Yahoo group instead, anyone can post this type of work for approval etc


http://groups.yahoo.com/group/alamdv
Posted: Sun, 21st Jul 2002, 1:43pm

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Latest version is up, I made the trail for the bullet a vapour trail...


Regards Paul
Posted: Sun, 21st Jul 2002, 6:06pm

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nice, very nice.

can you change a few things?

i need like 2 more seconds before the bullet hits the apple, the blood should be a little slower, and just make the apple darker if possible?

other than that, its what i need!
Posted: Sun, 21st Jul 2002, 6:43pm

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Yep the changes sound simple enough...


With the slow blood do you want it to move slowly kind of creeping out of the apple, rather than the gush I have at the moment?
Posted: Sun, 21st Jul 2002, 6:51pm

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creeping out sounds good.

more of an unexpected slow thing confused
Posted: Mon, 22nd Jul 2002, 12:54pm

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Righty ho,

New version up, longer intro, slower blood and less of it, and the bullet only appears when it comes out of the apple rather that coming in from behind...


Regards Paul
Posted: Mon, 22nd Jul 2002, 5:47pm

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sweet...all i need now is a full size 740x480 avi for me to add it in.

thanks man.
Posted: Tue, 23rd Jul 2002, 1:38pm

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Right it has just finished rendering. The uncompressed version is 539MB crazy

and the compressed one is 70MB crazy crazy I don't have broadband, so the best method would be for me to burn the 539MB file onto a CD and post it to you.

Whereabouts in the world are you, email me your address and I will send it ASAP....


Regards Paul
Posted: Tue, 23rd Jul 2002, 4:45pm

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wew....that's huge.

can't u get it lower with divx?

im in toronto, where are u?
Posted: Tue, 23rd Jul 2002, 5:46pm

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I'll have another go with DivX, crashed my 'puter first time I tried.


I am in the UK. I will keep trying to get the size down, if I have to I will split it into chunks that you can reassemble...
Posted: Tue, 23rd Jul 2002, 6:26pm

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Crikey... 539 down to just under 2MB with Divx, there are some nasty artifacts on the apple, but I will put it up on the yahoo site so you can check it out, in the meantime I will continue playing with Divx to see if I can get a good balance between size and quality....
Posted: Tue, 23rd Jul 2002, 6:29pm

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thanks man
Posted: Tue, 23rd Jul 2002, 7:09pm

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No probs, I've enjoyed doing it, let me know how the Divx version goes if the quality is not acceptable I will try a few other codecs...


Regards


Paul
Posted: Wed, 24th Jul 2002, 10:16am

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Right, another version is up, in the indeo 5.04 codec, I think it looks better than the Divx one, see what you think, I wont do anymore just let me know if either of the two are suitable....



Regards


Paul
Posted: Wed, 24th Jul 2002, 2:35pm

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i cant find that version at the yahoogroups things unsure
Posted: Wed, 24th Jul 2002, 2:44pm

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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/alamdv/files/appleind504new.avi

Thats the direct link to the file, that should take you straight there.

The file is 2100KB

Hope that works rolleyes
Posted: Wed, 24th Jul 2002, 2:57pm

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sweet.

that worked nicely, and quality too.

2 things tho if you can change them.

-the blood comes in to early...it looks weird cuz it just appears and you can see the other end of the whole in the back. it moves too quickly aswell.
-and the blood ends off...can you make it keep going for the entire thing?
Posted: Wed, 24th Jul 2002, 3:15pm

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looks really cool smile can't wait to see the fullmovie with it on biggrin
Posted: Wed, 24th Jul 2002, 3:32pm

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The file doesn't work on mac. What codec did you encode it in?
Posted: Wed, 24th Jul 2002, 4:10pm

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There are two versions, a Divx and an Indeo, when I do the latest changes I will slap up a small preview in a .Mov format, probably later tonight or tommorow morn...
Posted: Thu, 25th Jul 2002, 11:32am

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A new version is up in two formats, an Indeo 5.04 .avi and a sorensen .mov

I have legthened the whole clip, the blood comes out much later, consequently there is less time of the blood just flowing, it is easy enough to add on more frames to the end if you want.

The blood doesn't appear until almost side on, so you can't see it appearing in the hole, it moves slightly slower also.

The only other change was to make the vapour trail last a bit longer so the camera actually moves through it.

Regards

Paul...
Posted: Thu, 25th Jul 2002, 4:54pm

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hmmm. i think the blood comes in too late this time lol

can you make it come in at 10 seconds on the timeline of that vid?

and if its not to hard, to convert the vid into 16:9 ratio.

thanks.
Posted: Thu, 25th Jul 2002, 5:07pm

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Cypher, when you like it can you send it to webmaster@fuzzit.com ?
Posted: Thu, 25th Jul 2002, 5:09pm

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Righty ho, blood at 10 seconds.

I think cinema 4d has a 16:9 export anyhow so I will start rendering now...
Posted: Thu, 25th Jul 2002, 5:13pm

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ottey, when you finish can you send meh it?
Posted: Thu, 25th Jul 2002, 6:03pm

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If your interested in looking at the files they are here:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/alamdv

under the files section, I have been doing a bit of 3d work for people recently so I set up the yahoo group to share it.

Spread the word, anyone is entitled to put files up here, when I get the new apple render done I will put it up in the relevant folder its easier than emailing large files around the place...


Regards


Paul
Posted: Thu, 25th Jul 2002, 6:19pm

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thanks, just post when you get it uploaded
Posted: Thu, 25th Jul 2002, 8:22pm

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Hokey cokey...

16:9 preview version uploaded, blood comes in at 10 seconds, If this one is Okay I will get the full one rendered tommorow.

The full one takes about 5 hours to render, but fi I get the nod by tommorow morn I should have it up by tommorow evening...
Posted: Sat, 27th Jul 2002, 10:10pm

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oops, i thought i replyed.

anyway, go ahead and render it. great work!
Posted: Sun, 28th Jul 2002, 1:41pm

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final version is up in 16:9 fomat, I,m preety happy with the final result...

Can't wait to see how it goes with your film.

Are you going to put it up here when it is done???
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yup, its gonna be up in the cinema.
Posted: Fri, 24th Jan 2003, 9:49pm

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hi

proberly not as good as other peoples
very compressed but you get the idea

the titles go on at the end.
www.geekshelf.com/gallery/lincon/stargate1/redfruitwmv.wmv
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wasn't this a while ago?

-MAGIC
Posted: Sun, 26th Jan 2003, 3:05am

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You should make the apple wabble a bit after it is shot, so it doesn't just sit there...
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Did you say you did that Apple In Cinema 4D?
Which Version.... How Much?

Im very interested in bullet time, recently I shot a film where a bullet misses someones leg by about an inch and blows up a lamp, but I couldn't make it look any good so i had to scrap it! sad

If the pictures are as good as the clip, it really will make the film impressive. I can't seem to download the clip from any of the links sad
Posted: Sun, 26th Jan 2003, 12:14pm

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Hi TAP2...


The original version of this was created a while ago so most of the files have gone, if you check out the yahoo site again there are two new files up for the Redfruit sequel. I don't know if they are going to be used yet as I don't have any more free time to do what Cypher wants with them. sad

It's not really a bullet time clip just a very slo-mo sort of thing. It was done in C4D XL 7, I got it for £150 on a restricted student licence from www.hisoft.co.uk (price depends where you are in the world really) the smoke was done using the Pyrocluster plugin which is about £200, smoke can be done without this though.

The yahoo group is at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/alamdv/ go to the files section and download 1.ZIP and 2.ZIP to see the recent version, obviously they belong to Cypher...wink lol


Otteypm
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Hi,

Thanks, I can see the files again. (Downloading Now)
How difficult/easy is it to use Cinema 4D?
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Onto another question.

Who the hell is that beautiful women in your sig?
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How difficult/easy is it to use Cinema 4D?
Cinema 4d is very easy to use, everything is right there infront of you. You can download demos and tutorials from www.maxoncomputer.com the newest version is 8 but I think they still have others up there.
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thanks, i'll download a demo.

My sig is a pic of Halle Berry and Carmen Electra, blured into a cool background I picked up somewhere.
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ok i got the demo and the tutorials but i dont have much time at the moment. Is it simple to create a cube and blow it up? if yes how? Thanks
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The following applies to version 7, I assume version 8 is fairly similar...


In the main menu click

Objects-Primitive-Cube

A cube appears in the main window, in the object list on the right double clicking the cube will let you change the size or add a fillet...you need to change the segments, start with 10 for all three boxes

To blow up the cube click

Plugins-ExplosionFX

A bunch of circles should appear, click and hold the explosionFX in the object list and drop it on top of the cube, a + symbol will appear by the cube click on it and the ExplosionFX will appear as the cubes subobject.

Double click the icon a menu with loads of options appears, goto Cluster. Set the Cluster Type to Automatic, tick the preview box below and drag the slider, you might want to lower the gravity setting.

To get the effect to animate properly you will need to set some keyframes, I won't go into detail here. Click OK on the ExplosionFX options.

At the bottom of the screen is a slider, click and drag the blue box to 10 frames, double click on the ExplosionFX again set the preview slider to 0%, click OK and then double click the Round record button to the right of the play controls at the bottom of the screen.

Drag the blue time slider to about 70 open ExplosionFX again and set the preview to 100% click ok and double click the record button. You should be able to press play and see your cube disintegrate.


There are a huge number of other options on the ExplosionFX such as rotation, zero gravity, you can also do bullet time if you learn how to do more complicated keyframing.

I will stick a few examples in the Yahoo group.

1. Simple cube as described above
2. Added rotation and randomness
3. Using keyframes to pause the motion, basically be setting two keyframes with the same value of preview slider
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Thanks so much...
Everything is working great, but I can't seem to find the camera position settings..

I really appreciate the time you spent typing that out, or copying it.
Thanks!
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eek I typed that one, normally I'm rubbish at tutorials but I had C4D running and just wrote down what I did.

For cameras

Objects-Scene-Target Camera

It's best to use the target camera as you can keyrame the exact point it needs to look at without messing about with rotation.

Once you have created the camera you need to switch the perspective view to use it On the menu with Edit Cameras Display and view click

Cameras-Scene cameras

Then select one from the list, the view should then show what the camera is looking at.

Cameras can be animated the same as anything else checkout the Timeline window where you can manually adjust any of the keyframed settings that you have created...
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i've had total sucess, but I can't get the camera to point where i want.
what im trying to do is have a shot of a cube, then it blows up. BUT, as its blowing up the camera does a swift movement in bullet time.

It is very easy to do, but i cant control the cameras propaly.
Posted: Mon, 27th Jan 2003, 10:23pm

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If you have created a target camera their should be a target point as a seperate object in the list on the right of the screen.

You can create keyframes for the target point and the camera will always look at it.

Alternatively you can make the camera point at any object

on the object list select a non target camera then right click on it a new menu should appear

New Expression-Target Expression

A window will appear where you can type the name of the object that the camera will point to, unfortunately you can't change where the camera looks using this method it will always point directly at the object...

I will slap up another demo file so check out the yahoo group,

your best option is to look at www.maxoncomputer.com they have a huge tutorial section which will show you all the basics, I spent a year in C4D before I was doing anything half decent...
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thanks, i have learnt pretty much all i wanted to know. I only wish the demo let you export files cry

A Small request.... is it possible if you could spend no more than 5 minutes. Making a video of a flat cube smashing into a million peices.
So the camera is looking face on at the cube.

I want to combine this with Animation master bullet footage and see what it looks like if a bullet hits it straight on.... then i might decide to buy the software.
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Small video file put up in Yahoo group cube ex test.avi hope it is what you wanted. biggrin
Posted: Sat, 1st Feb 2003, 5:40pm

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thats exactly what i wanted, thanks a lot.

Do you have a higer quality version?
Or even better could you email me the file so i can load it into the demo and watch it there?
Posted: Sat, 1st Feb 2003, 6:49pm

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otteypm

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I have dumped the video and the .C4D on the yahoo site in a zip file

cube explode high.zip

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