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Posted: Fri, 9th May 2008, 1:48pm

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Jabooza

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A short action test (not unlike The Hunter) filmed on the spot with little planning and preparation.

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Posted: Fri, 9th May 2008, 6:15pm

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This was generally okay.

To be completely honest with you, when I saw the FXHome logo flickering with a fine fuzz, it was very well done and it peaked my expectations a bit. So comparatively, the intro logo looked great, but it made the mediocre-actiony actual movie look not as good, heh.

Still, the video itself was pretty well done. The action was planned okay enough, my biggest gripe is cinematography. You cross the line a LOT (meaning you'll cut from like a medium shot where the protagonist is facing slightly left to a close up of him facing slightly right.) which is hugely distracting, especially in an action.

The indiscriminant in-between cuts of close ups during the fighting bits were good, though, good job on that. I just felt that with the crossing the line and the slightly looser editing (because there's no real way to fix a line-cross after-the-fact) the movie wasn't that cohesive.

As for sound, music, and effects: I generally liked them. The gunshots sounded weak and hollow, even if they were realistic or whatever, I didn't like them. Same with the explosion noise. The beep leading up to the explosion, and the explosion graphics themselves, however, were great. Good job on that, as seen first in Day of the Hobo, which I liked as well.

Beyond the technical aspects, the production design was pretty weak. The sunglasses look bad (this is, of course, ignoring the young age of the actors, I know it's hard to find people!) and the suit looks slapped on. The other costume (skinsuit thing?) didn't fit in with the location which, despite the fact that it's your house (I think), should match what your actors wear. To put it this way: tailor your costume/art direction to the places you have to use, no vice versa. In Splinter Cell nobody wore a suit in the more nature-laden buildings (in alleys and overgrown parks, etc) because it would've just looked stupid. On the 'receipient' of the deal, I would've liked to have seen maybe a medium-toned leather jacket (not Matrix-esque) and a workman's shirt. You know, something a bit more aesthetically pleasing for the scene, even if it doesn't completely align with what you originally intended.

3/5, because I liked the intro titles. Grading was far too overexposed for my tastes. I understand the 'extreme' look, but if it blows out the skin tones for the entire short (not just a few shots that establish the 'extreme' tone, a la the first few shots of the actors on the levee in Marathon) then you've got an issue.

I recommend going as extreme as you want your grading, then dialing it back to reasonable skin tones from there.
Posted: Fri, 9th May 2008, 6:53pm

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Thanks for the comment Ben. I can definitely see what you mean when you say we crossed the line with the cinematography too much, we'll have to pay more attention to that from now on.

It can be hard to do any kind of production design when you don't really have any kind of a budget, but I agree that we should try to keep the design themes more consistent and matching.

About the grading, Darth Penguin did that, along with almost all of the post-production, except for the opening logos, which I did (glad you like them wink ). I also did the filming assisted with a tiny bit of the editing.


-Jabooza
Posted: Fri, 9th May 2008, 7:28pm

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I pretty much agree with Ben on this one. I feel the grading was overdone and some of the shots disn't fit with the others. A couple things I did like: the choreography, the money prop, and the quick costume change wink.

I'll give it a 3/5 (-2 stars for the grading, that it's a test, and the fact that I feel jealous- because I can't change that fast)
Posted: Fri, 9th May 2008, 9:16pm

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On the other hand, the 55-seconds-in chop-chop-chop zoom in and the later on happening kick in the camera were quite badass.
Posted: Fri, 9th May 2008, 11:10pm

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Oh yeah, forgot to mention that too.
Posted: Sat, 10th May 2008, 1:45am

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Thanks for the feedback, and I'm glad everybody likes it, at least somewhat, so far. I agree with most of the criticism so far- being filmed in one afternoon, simply because we were bored, it ended up with some flaws. And yes, I did essentially go crazy with the grading. Although I do think it looks pretty cool, it isn't the kind of thing that I'd put in an actual movie.

By the way, the actor who played the recipient/spy (my brother, now known as colb623 and becoming increasingly infamous for antagonizing innocent bystanders in the FXhome chat) actually had that spy suit on under his suit jacket, with all his gadgets and his hat and everything. Although he didn't actually change quite as fast as we made it look wink
Posted: Sat, 10th May 2008, 9:46pm

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What's the point of a remote detonated explosive if there's a timer too?
Posted: Sat, 10th May 2008, 10:56pm

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Great camera cuts, along with great intro credit to Fxhome. However, you went a little heavy on the graging. 4/5!
Posted: Sat, 10th May 2008, 11:12pm

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Okay,

Like Ben said, the flickering was excellent. The three shot zoom thing was sick, and you had pretty decent costumes. On a more negative outlook, like everyone (or most people) said, you killed it with the grading. Way to heavy. Honestly, I don't know how Ben and Andrew get away with it, but it didn't work for this video. I think someone mentioned that you crossed the line once, which was also kind of noticeable. The guy ran out of bullets at seven shots, when Glocks hold from 9-33 rounds in each magazine. Not that it was extremely important, but I thought I would throw that out there. And what was with the guys undressing into a whole different costume? I mean, it wasn't exactly realistic that he would change right in front of the guy, and it really didn't look that cool.

Anyway, I'm gonna give you a 3/5. Good job.

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Posted: Sat, 10th May 2008, 11:35pm

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Someone watched Bryce's 'The Hit'. razz

A weak 3/5.
Posted: Sun, 11th May 2008, 12:42am

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This is superior in every way to "The Hit".


But yes. There appeared to be similar ideas in certain moments...
Posted: Sun, 11th May 2008, 4:56pm

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Bryce007 wrote:

This is superior in every way to "The Hit".
But there's no cool train thing, or long grassy plains.
Posted: Mon, 12th May 2008, 4:12am

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It doesn't matter. They have the "Green contrast advantage" (Copyright the Adams bros 2000).
Posted: Mon, 12th May 2008, 7:36pm

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Green contast? I couldn't hardly see it smile.
Posted: Mon, 12th May 2008, 8:17pm

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Bryce007 wrote:

It doesn't matter. They have the "Green contrast advantage" (Copyright the Adams bros 2000).
Hehe, although the grading in this is very, very extreme, I don't think it's really the same style as Ben and Atom usually do.

I haven't ever actually seen The Hit. Do you have a link to it somewhere?


-Jabooza
Posted: Mon, 12th May 2008, 11:52pm

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Look on archive.org for his movies.
Posted: Tue, 13th May 2008, 12:53am

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Bryce007 wrote:

It doesn't matter. They have the "Green contrast advantage" (Copyright the Adams bros 2000).
Actually, the majority of the movie displays what we call the "yellow-orange contrast advantage." (Copyright me). The green doesn't kick in until the forest segment razz
Posted: Tue, 13th May 2008, 2:24am

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WMV.

http://www.archive.org/details/TheHit