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Speed Racer

Posted: Sat, 10th May 2008, 3:16am

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So I saw Speed Racer this afternoon, and it was a very fun movie. I loved the style and visuals, etc. I was surprised that there actually was a good story in there too. I'm not ashamed to say I saw a "kid's movie" (there were only kids in the theater I was in), because I'm sure if I was 5-10 years old, Speed Racer would be basically my favorite movie of all time. Being 18 however, it remains very very fun and well done.

I recommend it highly. Most reviews I've read obviously didn't understand the intent behind the film, so as long as you understand what kind of movie you're walking into, you should love it.

What did everyone else think?
Posted: Sat, 10th May 2008, 3:26am

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I'm actual rather interested in seeing this movie.

A. because it's the Wachowski's.

B. Because I used to watch speed racer way back in the day.



Also, I'm a fan of movies that are layered in a thick sheen of intentional campiness (Planet terror, Kung-pow, Crank, Tim Burton's Batman etc)


Which is the same reason I'll be seeing that New Jackie Chan movie...
Posted: Sat, 10th May 2008, 4:52am

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I'm going to ditto Bryce's post, even (especially) on the Jackie Chan note. Ever since the first trailer, I've been stoked. It's Speed Racer meets Wachowski Brothers meets F-Zero with a cast I like and cool visuals. Definitely looks fun and I'm glad you liked it for the reasons I hope to like it, I'll definitely check it out (though I lack money right now).
Posted: Sat, 10th May 2008, 6:23am

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I can't believe the ridiculously negative reviews this movie has been getting. Not only was it terrific, the intent and execution of such a style has only a one-word connotation: genius.

I cheered, literally out loud, to see that our big-time Dallas newspaper movie critic seemed to 'get' the movie, giving it an A and saying this:

Speed Racer reasserts their status as visionary filmmakers. At this point there have been plenty of green-screen films that blur the boundaries between animation and flesh-and-blood, but Speed Racer somehow takes all that sleight-of-camera magic to another level and creates that most rarefied of viewing experiences: the feeling that you are watching something you've never quite seen before...

...There are two major race sequences and plenty of lesser ones, and all are amazing works of kinetic art. And I'm not just tossing the A-word out lightly. Speed Racer is family fun and mass entertainment, but it is also art. At one point, Mom Racer delivers a speech intended to reassure a shaken Speed, but it could just as easily serve as the Wachowskis' self-review: "I go to the races to watch you make art. And it's beautiful and inspiring and everything art should be."
Really hit the nail on the head, and well-worded too. I should really start listening to the local guy over Ebert more. smile

Best Movie 'Experience' I've had in a very, very long time. That, and by far the most visually astounding, unique, and amazing movie I've ever seen since the first Matrix. Well worth a watch. (Although keep in mind the 'cool' and psuedo-philosophical stuff from the bros. is toned down into a PG kids movie.)

Loved how badass the Wachowski's are that they can throw in a handful of profanities, some hilarious sexual innuendo from Trixie, and the little kid giving up the middle finger for a clear split second and still knockout a PG rating.

Loved it, especially the dramatic- moody music- voiceover-laced ending. (And no, I'm not making fun of myself, I'm serious. smile)

10/10.
Posted: Sat, 10th May 2008, 8:45am

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Possibly the best movie I've seen in the past 5 years. The last 5 minutes of the final race nearly brought me to tears, primarily because it just looked so god damn awesome. I want to beat up all the critics giving it negative reviews.

Atom wrote:



Loved it, especially the dramatic- moody music- voiceover-laced ending.

AGREED, 100%.
Posted: Mon, 12th May 2008, 5:09am

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The 20 million dollar opening weekend depresses me. I'm going to go see this again a couple times for sure.

The worst part is, most of the reviews say "HOW BOWT A GEWD STORY FOR THEM EFFECTS EXCUSE ME WHILE I BLOW IRON MAN", when really, I LOVED the story to Speed Racer. The whole thing about how commercialization ruins professional sports was really interesting, and something you see every day in real life. Speed Racer honestly had a better story than any blockbuster in my recent memory. also; CAR-FU. Seriously.

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Posted: Mon, 12th May 2008, 5:12am

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Hey hey hey now. Don't go dissing Iron Man. I'm disappointed that Speed didn't do better to, but honestly the marketing department for Speed Racer simply failed. Utterly and completely. It's not Iron Man's fault that that happened or that Iron Man itself was incredibly awesome.


EDIT: Wow, you edited your post fast. Likely to fix the fact that you dissed Iron Man, so the above part of my post could be entirely pointless.


Carry On...
Posted: Mon, 12th May 2008, 5:13am

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C'mon, let me have this scapegoat.
Posted: Mon, 12th May 2008, 5:17am

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Heh. Don't worry, I got that way about Superman Returns, King Kong, and The Golden Compass. Each of which "underperformed", and I got really upset about it. Doesn't matter. Point is that you liked it, right? It's not like they would have ever made a sequel anyway (same can't be said for Golden Compass or Superman Returns... we might just barely get a SR sequel but chances of seeing the rest of the Golden Compass series continue are slim to none).
Posted: Mon, 12th May 2008, 5:32am

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I'm hoping for a Speed Racer sequel more than anything now, and that can't be said for me and most movies save the first time I saw X-Men.

Mostly because we generally know these movies will have sequels. But this is honestly the first movie in a long time I just can't get enough of and want to see continue. It pisses me off it's been so under publicized (in comparison to way way way way overpub'd Iron Man- but hey that marketing worked like miracle-juice.) but I can't blame the ad team.

All the TV spots are generally very good, and the trailers each are increasingly fine-tuned and unique to find each their own age-group-audience. The monumental problem with this whole thing is some people simply can't or won't accept something so 'superfluous and ridiculous on purpose'.

I hardly ever do, but I "got it" right off the bat, one of the only people on here initially backing this movie. It's just a shame, a crying one really, it has been so dismal within 2 days. Let's hope they find a saving grace next week, internationally, and on DVD.
Posted: Mon, 12th May 2008, 1:52pm

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I've removed the posts about torrenting the movie. If you want the movie to make more money and succeed that's hardly the way to go about it. smile As you should know, we don't allow talk of piracy round here.

Plus, to make matters worse, having removed the dodgy posts, it's now made Waser look like some kind of double-posting hooligan. Oh, the ignominy.

Speed Racer's marketing campaign was astoundingly awful. I actually didn't know it was supposed to be a kids' movie until I read your posts in this topic. They seemed to be marketing it entirely at the same 'cool' crowd as The Matrix etc etc. They should really have just 'done a Pixar' and marketed it at kids, while simultaneously making it accessible for adults.

If the critics had gone in expecting a kids' cartoon, I imagine they'd have been a lot less negative.

As for me, I still don't really have any interest in seeing it. It looks like a partially live action version of Trackmania, but without me being able to actually do the driving.
Posted: Mon, 12th May 2008, 1:58pm

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Heh. Someone needs to keep an eye on Pooky's torrenting ways, then. smile

As I said, though, I was just that ecstatic about it. It's a curious thing, really. And I'm not sure how they could market it either way. The best ads I saw for it were to appeal the 'cool' to 10-year-olds. That batch aired constantly on Nickelodeon, and I've heard word-of-mouth like wildfire about the movie from kids because of that.

But you're right. Critics seem to be completely overstepping how homage-like it is in it's ridiculous overstylization (which, like I said, is completely on purpose and completely effective), and secondly the fact that it is a kid's movie. As of yet, all I've read is people laughing at them getting a PG rating and claiming they're just trying to get a wider audience.

Well, no sh!t. But that audience was intended to be kids first, then speed-driven adults. Not the other way around.
Posted: Mon, 12th May 2008, 2:17pm

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Yeah the trailers for this did a superb job of turning me off it.

The last decade of films has spawned a lot of what I term "demographic movies". The common theme being that they were all aimed at a fairly low rung of society. Straight-to-DVD bilge about cars (FnF), motorbikes, street dance (Step up), fighting (Never back down) etc.

From the adverts, I surmised that this was more of the same, aimed at keeping an even younger generation permanently dumb.

Evidently I was wrong, but all the same - if the film's content appeals to anyone over 10 who doesn't wear sport clothing and its in fact rather good, then the marketing people ought to be shot.
Posted: Mon, 12th May 2008, 4:09pm

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I really can't say I'm very excited about this, it just seems kinda weird to me. And it looks like it has A LOT of cgi, way too much in my opinion.

Evman wrote:

as long as you understand what kind of movie you're walking into, you should love it.
I'm not quite sure I do understand it myself..... in fact, I don't really understand it all. smile Maybe that's why I'm not so excited about it.

I think I might wait for this one to come out on DVD. The movies I'm really excited about this year are The Dark Knight, Indy 4, and Iron Man (which I'll hopefully be seeing very soon).

Atom wrote:

I should really start listening to the local guy over Ebert more. smile
Hehe, I don't really like Roger Ebert myself. He's a very tough critic, but it seems like sometimes he almost makes stuff up about why the movie was bad just so he can have a reason to say it was bad. smile


-Jabooza
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Jabooza wrote:

I really can't say I'm very excited about this, it just seems kinda weird to me. And it looks like it has A LOT of cgi, way too much in my opinion.

Evman wrote:

as long as you understand what kind of movie you're walking into, you should love it.
I'm not quite sure I do understand it myself..... in fact, I don't really understand it all. smile Maybe that's why I'm not so excited about it.
A film like this really requires "A LOT" of CGI. It's meant to take place in a zany, futuristic world. You can't really depict that well without it. The film is based on a 1960's anime show, what do you expect?

And the film you should kind of expect when you walk into it is just a crazy, campy, stylized, high-budget version of a futuristic show from the 60's; think of it as a "fun film."Expect more of a thrill ride experience than a film involving serious plot, setting, and story; and after reading this topic, you might even be surprised with a good story to go along with the ride. A lot of people go into films with the wrong attitude, they expect something from it that it simply isn't. Take "300" for example: it's not a film that everyone has to like, but if you go into it expecting a serious take on the Battle of Thermopylae, they will not like it, unless they are a moron or open-minded. It's meant to be a fictional epic comic-bookish battle. Sometimes films can be ruined by false expectations. That's why I try to get a good idea of what to expect from a film, or go in with a completely blank slate, not expecting anything and being open to anything as well.
Posted: Mon, 12th May 2008, 5:04pm

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Serpent wrote:

Jabooza wrote:

I really can't say I'm very excited about this, it just seems kinda weird to me. And it looks like it has A LOT of cgi, way too much in my opinion.

Evman wrote:

as long as you understand what kind of movie you're walking into, you should love it.
I'm not quite sure I do understand it myself..... in fact, I don't really understand it all. smile Maybe that's why I'm not so excited about it.
A film like this really requires "A LOT" of CGI. It's meant to take place in a zany, futuristic world. You can't really depict that well without it. The film is based on a 1960's anime show, what do you expect?

And the film you should kind of expect when you walk into it is just a crazy, campy, stylized, high-budget version of a futuristic show from the 60's; think of it as a "fun film."Expect more of a thrill ride experience than a film involving serious plot, setting, and story; and after reading this topic, you might even be surprised with a good story to go along with the ride. A lot of people go into films with the wrong attitude, they expect something from it that it simply isn't. Take "300" for example: it's not a film that everyone has to like, but if you go into it expecting a serious take on the Battle of Thermopylae, they will not like it, unless they are a moron or open-minded. It's meant to be a fictional epic comic-bookish battle. Sometimes films can be ruined by false expectations. That's why I try to get a good idea of what to expect from a film, or go in with a completely blank slate, not expecting anything and being open to anything as well.
Like I said, I don't really understand it so much, I guess that's why I don't like the amount of CGI that it looks like they used. I guess I kinda see what it's supposed to be like now, although it still isn't one of the films that I'm really looking forward to this year.


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Serpent wrote:

Expect more of a thrill ride experience than a film involving serious plot, setting, and story
While the story and setting weren't serious, the whole way the 'Rex wanted to change the face of racing, and I'm gonna finish what he started' plot went was done extremely well.

The last ten minutes, Christ, were some of the most incredible moments I've ever seen in a movie. With the slow motion and the flashbacks and the flash forward to the car just dominating everyone else. They could've just showed Speed racing and getting ahead of everyone else and winning, but instead they flash through why he's racing and announce the ironies throughout the movie.

"Are you ready to put away your toys and become a REAL race car driver?!?" Speed remembers as he's driving and, despite the definition of 'real' in that sentence meaning one who cheats, it shows that Speed is ready to take on the world and the responsibilities his family and estranged brother have entrusted to him. Also, the flashback to "You don't jump into a T-180 just to become a driver. You do it because you're driven." really just put into perspective how important racing was not just to Speed, but his family and everyone he knew. It made the movie seem less trivial and more involved, and for that I commend the filmmakers and the people involved in the flick.

Mainstream audiences will probably hate this movie, but for me, the incredible beginning and end (both of which involved some pathos and philosophy of life, as strange as that sounds) more than made up for the stupid parts. Aaaaand it's important to remember that the stupid parts weren't bad, they were just stupid: as in, meant for kids.

All-in-all, while some parts of this movie were too 'zany' for me, the end with the emotional music just made it one of the pinnacles of filmmaking for me. That, and the visuals like you've never, ever seen. Just INSANE.

"It doesn't matter if racing changes. Just if we let racing change us."

9/10.
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Yeah, it was strangely touching, definitely, and it's just a shame that I'm embarrassed to tell anyone I saw it. The marketing people should be taken out behind the shed.

As for wanting a Speed Racer sequel, I completely don't understand why. Whereas most other big movies can have new, continuing plots that can sustain entire sequels, I thought it quite clear in my mind while watching Speed that it was designed to be just ONE movie. For god's sake, this single film probably contained more plot than the entirety of the TV series. I love where it stands now as a single, campy-fun movie that won't get the disservice that the original Matrix got being overburdened with ridiculous sequels.
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Evman wrote:

I'm not ashamed to say I saw a "kid's movie"

Evman wrote:

it's just a shame that I'm embarrassed to tell anyone I saw it.
hehe
Posted: Mon, 12th May 2008, 8:24pm

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I'm not ashamed to tell people on the internet, because you're all just figments of my imagination.

Real people are the ones I hesitate to tell. wink
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Was it that good? I might go see it. I hadn't wanted to for a coupe of reasons:
1) a kid's movie
2) the bad reviews

So you guys really thought it was that good? cool
Posted: Mon, 12th May 2008, 10:20pm

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First to answer your questions and kill your hesitations:

Yes, it's a kid's movie. And it shows in some monkey-humor and 'I love candy'-humor dispersed throughout the movie. But largely Speed Racer is a family film. To be enjoyed by the family, meaning a wide range of age groups. I'm 18 and I completely enjoyed it. Not until I got there did I really realize it was intended for kids and not just a PG adult movie; but it was amazing nonetheless.

As for the reviews: What can you do? I thought critics were going to hate Iron Man. (Even when I loved it) But, it seems as with Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton; only one can be king. And when the media is loving Obama, they're loving to hate Clinton. Both may be good, but one is either better or has already made an impression on people that spoils the goodness of another. Sadly, this is the case for Speed Racer. Or, at least what I think happened.

Like Superman Returns, I simply don't see how such (in my mind) a fantastic movie with great names behind it (then Singer, this time Wachowski) flops. I just don't get it.

The bad reviews are only mild, the good reviews (and there are increasingly more out there) are overwhelmingly good.

What I mean is, those people that give it a C- or D may be many. But those not giving the movie a dismal review aren't giving it a C+ or B, but rather, As and A+s. This is the problem with Rotten Tomatoes. Sure, only 37 percent of critics liked it. But that 37% liked it quite a lot, which skews how to compare the 'goodness' of movies.

It isn't even a question whether it is worth a watch. It's an experience never to be missed or doubted by me ever again. An absolute thrill of a movie, amazingness, and the Wachowski brothers, Emile Hirsch, Christina Ricci, John Goodman, and Speed Racer-theme. This movie should be a no-brainer.

Let's go kill the ad team. Maybe if they'd shown the last 5 minutes of the movie instead of the first 5 it would've double Iron Man's initial weekend grossing. smile

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I went to see this yesterday with may daughter and fell asleep almost 3 times.

I never really watched the cartoon version back in the day, so it's possible I couldn't appreciate it as such.

My daughter was so-so about it.

It was mildly entertaining for my taste.
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Uh oh what just got deleted.
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??? Evman ???

And Garrison, in my experience people who fall asleep multiple times in movies are lazily going into it. smile

Sorry it wasn't your tastes. You must be duller than Spongebob's neighbor Squidword to not become even slightly engaged in the colorgasm that is Speed Racer. I pray for your attention span. smile
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I just got back from seeing it again, and it was even better. Mind you, I know zilch about the cartoon Speed Racer, and I'm reluctant to watch any, because the movie was so successful for me on its own. I've decided the last part of the Grand Prix race is the best scene I've seen in a movie in probably 5 or so years. That's an overstatement for sure, but damn it, that's just how I feel about the movie right now.
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Atom wrote:

??? Evman ???
I got an email from fxhome that there was a reply to this topic, and then when I got there it said "the post you requested is no longer here" or something like that, which usually means that a mod deleted a new post rather quickly.
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Heh. Someone needs to keep an eye on Pooky's torrenting ways, then. smile
Say what? I didn't even post here razz Besides, who would pirate a good film?
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Wow. This had to be the most fun I've had in a movie theater since Return of the King. Thanks God for this thread or I would have never even thought about seeing Speed Racer. I don't have much to add without echoing all the positive reactions from you guys.

Did anybody else drive at completely unsafe speeds on their way home from the theater?
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I did 80 out of the parking lot and found myself wanting to go faster and faster and faster on the freeway home.

Luckily, I didn't get in an accident. smile
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Atom wrote:

I did 80 out of the parking lot and found myself wanting to go faster and faster and faster on the freeway home.

Luckily, I didn't get in an accident. smile
Haha, exactly man. One of the most disappointing moments in my life was hitting the rush hour traffic on I-94 between St. Paul and Minneapolis on my way home after the film. I really really wished that my car had some cool mods on it, like the ability to jump or saw blades on robotic arms.
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I'm just disappointed that there aren't cartoony, purple and blue lens flares and flashings neon light streams coming from my car when I drive.

Everything seems so dull after you watch Speed Racer. I'm going to need to go and see it again.
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My god. I'm speechless. This movie was the best $10 I have ever spent next to Grindhouse. One of the best films I have ever seen. I've never seen anything like it. I really think that it was flawless. Honestly, I can't think of anything I didn't like about it. It's truly a pity that this film is doing so poorly in the box office.

When I first saw the trailer, I was extremely pessimistic about this film. The style just didn't seem to click with me. Then I saw the second trailer last week and felt a little better about seeing it. Then reading how almost everyone on this topic loved it, I realized I really needed to see it. Then after hearing the Tauntaun Burgers podcast praise the hell out of it, it was the final nail on the coffin.

This movie didn't blow me away, it KICKED MY ASS.

I have to give this film a 10/10, 5*, A+, or however else you want to rate it. If you haven't seen this film yet, you are truly torturing yourself.
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Wow... I really don't understand how so many of you actually love this movie.
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Rating: +2

Because if you have any sense of child-like wonder left in you, you would too.
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Rating: +1

jawajohnny wrote:

Wow... I really don't understand how so many of you actually love this movie.
Everyone watch out, here comes the Fun Police!!
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Well it was fun for awhile, but I got bored long before the finish. Two whole hours of watching all that CG flashy colorfullness was almost as bad as watching "Pokemon: The First Movie" all over again.
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jawajohnny wrote:

almost as bad as watching "Pokemon: The First Movie" all over again.
That movie was awesome. disgust
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Gorion wrote:

jawajohnny wrote:

Wow... I really don't understand how so many of you actually love this movie.
Everyone watch out, here comes the Fun Police!!
Just because a movie is fun doesn't actually make it a great movie. I haven't seen Speed Racer yet though, so I can't actually say that it wasn't more than just fun.


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Would you kids quit pretending that you're cool for not liking movies aimed at kids? I know, I remember back 2-3 years ago, I used to do that. Now that I'm about to graduate High School and move on to college and basically grow up, I've realized the importance of those kinds of movies.

Don't grow up too fast, cause you only get to be young once.
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Evman wrote:

Would you kids quit pretending that you're cool for not liking movies aimed at kids? I know, I remember back 2-3 years ago, I used to do that. Now that I'm about to graduate High School and move on to college and basically grow up, I've realized the importance of those kinds of movies.

Don't grow up too fast, cause you only get to be young once.
I agree. I haven't seen Speed Racer, but I grew up with it just like I did transformers. Speed Racer might be "kiddy", but the show was really fun to watch, and as far as I'm concerned the movie should be the same way. Call me a kid, but if they ever make a live action Digimon movie, I'm there. Agumon digivolved to.... GREYMON! Oh the sweet memories.
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Evman wrote:

Would you kids quit pretending that you're cool for not liking movies aimed at kids? I know, I remember back 2-3 years ago, I used to do that. Now that I'm about to graduate High School and move on to college and basically grow up, I've realized the importance of those kinds of movies.

Don't grow up too fast, cause you only get to be young once.
I hope you're not referring to me. I never said, or implied that I wasn't interested in it because it was a kid's movie. In fact, I didn't even know it was aimed mostly at kids until I read this thread.
I don't think I'm cool for saying that it doesn't look that great... I just don't think it really does look that great. At least not next to the other summer movies.


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Yikes, I'm getting the vibe that if someone didn't like this movie its because their a Scrooge. That definitly isn't true. I saw the movie and I did enjoy it. But while I was impressed with how the Wachowski Bros fit so much plot into so little time in the beginning of the film, IMO, it majorly sagged around the middle of the film. This was one movie that really did feel as long as it was. At the end of the one race I was expecting and feeling a bit relieved that the ending was coming up, but I wasn't even close.

I think they should have spread the story out a bit more. That and get rid of some of those Spritle scenes. Those were the bits that reminded me this WAS a kid's movie. Everything else was fine. The directors have a style and I'm glad to see they made a very different movie than what they are known for.
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Evman wrote:

Would you kids quit pretending that you're cool for not liking movies aimed at kids? I know, I remember back 2-3 years ago, I used to do that. Now that I'm about to graduate High School and move on to college and basically grow up, I've realized the importance of those kinds of movies.

Don't grow up too fast, cause you only get to be young once.
Hey, I generally love kiddie movies- I just hated Speed Racer. It holds the distinction of being one of the two movies (along with "Pokemon: The First Movie") that I have actually fallen asleep watching. I'm not hating it to be "cool". I went in unbiased... but I came out feeling very happy that Indy 4 will have one less competitor.
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but I came out feeling very happy that Indy 4 will have one less competitor.
The competition was over after the first weekend Racer was out...

That's funny though about Indy 4. I can't help but feel not excited at all for that film. After watching the trailers there doesn't seem to be anything that says "Watch Me!" on it (besides the fact that it's Indiana Jones). It just looks like more of the same. Speed Racer was unlike anything I've ever seen before.

The only movie that I can think of right now that will rival the sheer awesomeness of Speed Racer will be The Dark Knight.
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The only movie that I can think of right now that will rival the sheer awesomeness of Speed Racer will be The Dark Knight.
And Wall-E.
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That's funny though about Indy 4. I can't help but feel not excited at all for that film. After watching the trailers there doesn't seem to be anything that says "Watch Me!" on it (besides the fact that it's Indiana Jones). It just looks like more of the same.


Isn't that exactly what we want?

FreshMentos wrote:

Speed Racer was unlike anything I've ever seen before.
For me, that wasn't a good thing, and I hope it doesn't represent the future of filmmaking. But maybe I'm looking too much into it...

Pooky wrote:

FreshMentos wrote:

The only movie that I can think of right now that will rival the sheer awesomeness of Speed Racer will be The Dark Knight.
And Wall-E.
And Indy. Let's be optimistic.
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jawajohnny wrote:

FreshMentos wrote:

Speed Racer was unlike anything I've ever seen before.
For me, that wasn't a good thing, and I hope it doesn't represent the future of filmmaking.
Let's hope you're wrong. Because I can't wait to see a thousand Speed Racer copies looking as badass as possible the same way the string of Matrix-style movies did. I'm excited about the future of technical filmmaking because of this movie.

Indy 4 I couldn't care less about at this point. Mainly because reviewers and the box office will go gah-gah over it while this (sadly but probably) supremely better movie has been shot, killed, and thrown to the curb by both the critics and the box office.
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Atom wrote:

jawajohnny wrote:

FreshMentos wrote:

Speed Racer was unlike anything I've ever seen before.
For me, that wasn't a good thing, and I hope it doesn't represent the future of filmmaking.
Let's hope you're wrong. Because I can't wait to see a thousand Speed Racer copies looking as badass as possible the same way the string of Matrix-style movies did. I'm excited about the future of technical filmmaking because of this movie.

Indy 4 I couldn't care less about at this point. Mainly because reviewers and the box office will go gah-gah over it while this (sadly but probably) supremely better movie has been shot, killed, and thrown to the curb by both the critics and the box office.
Don't bash Indy, Atom... bad things will happen to you... wink
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Atom wrote:

Because I can't wait to see a thousand Speed Racer copies looking as badass as possible the same way the string of Matrix-style movies did.
Eh? Name me one decent movie that came out of the Matrix obsession at the start of the decade. I can't think of a single one.

And, no, Equilibrium does not count as a decent movie.

The single best thing about the Matrix sequels is that they complete burst the Matrix bubble and made people realise that it had been a one-off. Finally it put an end to the slew of awful knock-offs that wanted so desperately to capture the same level of 'cool'.

Although, having said that, it seems that nobody told the people making <i>Wanted</i>.
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Indy 4 I couldn't care less about at this point. Mainly because reviewers and the box office will go gah-gah over it while this (sadly but probably) supremely better movie has been shot, killed, and thrown to the curb by both the critics and the box office.
Wait... Are you saying that you don't care about Indy because it's going to get better reviews and make more money than Speed Racer? Not to sound like an Indy fanboy, but I don't quite understand why you don't care about the return of an iconic hero.

However, I do see your point about Speed Racer going unrecognized. Unfortunately, with Prince Caspian already out, and Indy arriving, it doesn't have a chance at gaining it's budget back.
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Gaahh! This really makes me angry. So I go to school today telling my friends that they need to see Speed Racer. What do I get in return? "Henri, your so gay! That movie's for babies!" First of all, what do homosexuals have to do with infants? Secondly, it pisses me off more that they'll never even give the film a chance. mad

I need some new friends...

I really think that it was the marketing team's fault that nobody wants to see this. I will admit that the movie didn't look very good when I saw the first trailer.

I want to go see this film again.
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Gaahh! This really makes me angry. So I go to school today telling my friends that they need to see Speed Racer. What do I get in return? "Henri, your so gay! That movie's for babies!" First of all, what do homosexuals have to do with infants? Secondly, it pisses me off more that they'll never even give the film a chance. mad
Isn't that kind of a trivial thing to be getting THAT upset over?
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jawajohnny wrote:

Atom wrote:

Indy 4 I couldn't care less about at this point. Mainly because reviewers and the box office will go gah-gah over it while this (sadly but probably) supremely better movie has been shot, killed, and thrown to the curb by both the critics and the box office.
Wait... Are you saying that you don't care about Indy because it's going to get better reviews and make more money than Speed Racer? Not to sound like an Indy fanboy, but I don't quite understand why you don't care about the return of an iconic hero.
It's kinda like how Citizen Kane will always be the number one movie on the AFI's top 100 list... not necessarily because it deserves the title, but because film critics are too afraid to take a second look at it's merits, and automatically tote it as the best thing ever. Likewise, Indy 4 will be well received regardless of how good it actually is, whereas Speed Racer, an original and amazing motion picture, goes down in history as an abysmal failure just because it was not given its fair shake.
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Isn't that kind of a trivial thing to be getting THAT upset over?
I get easily upset over a lot of things that aren't very important. It's also kind of difficult to translate different levels of anger in a forum post wink. I more annoyed than angry that my friends don't even give the film a second thought...
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Just annoyed? Well, It seemed to me that you were really angry by saying..


Gaahh! This really makes me angry
and

it pisses me off
and of course
mad
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You really do need new friends though.

Also, when I saw the first trailer for this, I knew exactly what the film would be and it looked amazing. I can't imagine them depicting it differently to appeal to the "kid stuff is 'gay'" crowd. Of course, this is going off the first trailer, I didn't watch other promo material.

People are morons, critics are morons; it's a sad, frustrating world. Bash the critics and people all you want for the mostly unwarranted negative reaction, but don't start bashing films before they are even out. Indy is going to be great, it's already getting positive reviews (when critics love a movie, it's usually decent at the very least; when they don't, it could go either way). And actually, I more often see critics reacting harshly to sequels of good films than a new/original film, for different reasons. And while overall Speed got negative ratings, a lot of the big critics loved it for all the right reasons. I know that doesn't help much, but maybe you'll feel a little better?

I read this on a forum somewhere, good mini review:
"I went into this film pissed off that I didn't get high, but soon found out I didn't even need to."
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You got me there Thrawn. wink

But I did mention this:
It's also kind of difficult to translate different levels of anger in a forum post
Oh well. I jumped the gun on my choice of words...

Serpent, if you talking to me about bashing Indy, I wasn't. I'm just not very excited about it after viewing the trailers. I doubt that it's going to disappoint, but I don't feel like I need to see it. Unlike films like The Dark Knight. That's all.

I read this on a forum somewhere, good mini review:
"I went into this film pissed off that I didn't get high, but soon found out I didn't even need to."
Haha. Actually, I think that being in an altered state of mind would've ruined the experience of the movie! biggrin
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Likewise, Indy 4 will be well received regardless of how good it actually is, whereas Speed Racer, an original and amazing motion picture, goes down in history as an abysmal failure just because it was not given its fair shake.
I'm sorry, but I find that statement to be completely untrue. As Serpent mentioned, it's actually the original movies that tend to get really good reviews, and it's the sequels that are judged harshly and get good reviews less often.

Films like Star Wars and The Matrix were very original and they didn't go down in history as abysmal failures.


But, then again, since when do most critics actually know what they're talking about? wink
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I'm sorry Serpent, but that post teeters so carefully on being incredibly hypocritical I don't know what to think of it. Trust the critics when they like something, but don't really trust them. Don't call a movie on being good or bad before it's out, but then you can immediately say Indy 4 will be great?

I'm a little confused. No doubt the Ford-ster will make another awesome movie; I'm just very doubtful- to me- it will be even by narrow amount better/more entertaining/enjoyable than Speed Racer.

Speed Racer completely caught me off guard, and because I'm pretty sure I know what I'm getting into with Indy it isn't as exciting and likely won't be nearly as fun.
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*looks at Speed Racers box office numbers*

Oh oh...

*pats his Indy 4 premiere tickets and smiles*


I'll probably watch Speed Racer on DVD when it comes out. The trailer had entirely no impact on me other then "urm.....". The Indy 4 trailer left me a bit "meh" too I must say though. The only reason I'm excited like a kid about my premiere tickets I got for tomorrow is the simple fact it's Indy... Because Indy, well , just rules. I hope this one will too. I HOPE it's more of the same.
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Sollthar wrote:

*looks at Speed Racers box office numbers*

Oh oh...

*pats his Indy 4 premiere tickets and smiles*
Ouch man... don't have to throw salt on the wound like that. There's a line that shouldn't be crossed! A LINE I SAY! razz
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Atom wrote:

I'm sorry Serpent, but that post teeters so carefully on being incredibly hypocritical I don't know what to think of it. Trust the critics when they like something, but don't really trust them. Don't call a movie on being good or bad before it's out, but then you can immediately say Indy 4 will be great?

I'm a little confused. No doubt the Ford-ster will make another awesome movie; I'm just very doubtful- to me- it will be even by narrow amount better/more entertaining/enjoyable than Speed Racer.

Speed Racer completely caught me off guard, and because I'm pretty sure I know what I'm getting into with Indy it isn't as exciting and likely won't be nearly as fun.
Really, I'm not being hypocritical, I even explicitly posted my logic. When a movie gets bad reviews, it could still be good (or it could be crap). When a movie gets good reviews, it could also go either way. When a movies gets great reviews, I find that the movie is usually at least good, most often it's great.

All I asked is that you don't prejudge a film so much. You don't have to follow this, my word isn't the word of god, certainly. I personally think Indy is going to be great because:

1) Critics love it (see above logic)
2) I love Indiana Jones
3) I love Harrison Ford (man crush)
4) I like Shia Lebouf
5) I don't hate Lucas
6) I loved the trailers
etc. (the list could easily be much longer)

The point is, I am being optimistic about the film and I just thought I was witnessing some hating in reaction to the reviews and box office numbers for Speed Racer. Obviously think what you want, I'm just defending my idea of the perfectly orgasmic summer film risen from my childhood from that. Don't look at my post so analytically, it's hard to say anything without it being picked apart these days. It feels all uptight, and I'm done with Senior year, I just want to chill.

And my post honestly wasn't directed at anyone in particular. I just felt a potential wave of Indy hating coming around the corner.

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One of the biggest box office trainwrecks in history.

Speed Racer... not the most suited of names. To be fair, they just overdid the visuals, the casting and everything else. I doubt the W Brothers will get anywhere near the level of confidence towards budget for their next project.

Crazy stuff.
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To be fair, they just overdid the visuals, the casting and everything else.
At one point did Speed Racer stop being a completely overdone show? Hell, the saddest part is that while SR fans will probably love this movie to death, it completely works as one of the most original and kickass movies ever by itself. And still people dog it without even giving the trailer a full look-through.
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Well, I finally took the plunge and saw Speed Racer, and was amazed by it. It's too bad that it's doing so poorly, but I can almost understand it because there's really no other movie like it.

My only problem with it was Spritle. Clearly he was only in it to appeal to kids that age, and his scenes had no substance other than "OH!!!! CANDY!!!!" DIdn't like him or his part at all, but Chim-Chim was okay.

The visuals were incredible, and that final race scene was beautiful and brilliant. I was a little thrown off by the cartoony look at first, but once the movie picked up speed, I had no problem believing the look. It was like they made a movie out of F-Zero.

Again, it's a huge shame that this has been looked down on, because it's really great, and it definitely beats Indy for my money.
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I think seeing this movie is the first time I have stood up and cheered when the credits rolled up, wiped a tear and left the theatre having been more entertained by a film than I have been for years.

Visually amazing with both a story that grips and a sense of humour that is actually entertaining. I loved all the ninja stuff with the cartoony effects. Loved everything about this film.

To be fair - The people who dislike this film have got to basically be under-evolved old-skin of the film industry which need shedding. Films like this are truly a breath of fresh air and are what film making should be about.

I'll say it once again, I loved Speed Racer.

Sollthar wrote:

*looks at Speed Racers box office numbers*

Oh oh...

*pats his Indy 4 première tickets and smiles*
The Joke's really on you my friend, I guarantee that smile will disappear to the space between spaces.

-Matt
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Hybrid-Halo wrote:

I think seeing this movie is the first time I have stood up and cheered when the credits rolled up, wiped a tear and left the theatre having been more entertained by a film than I have been for years.

Visually amazing with both a story that grips and a sense of humour that is actually entertaining. I loved all the ninja stuff with the cartoony effects. Loved everything about this film.

To be fair - The people who dislike this film have got to basically be under-evolved old-skin of the film industry which need shedding. Films like this are truly a breath of fresh air and are what film making should be about.

I'll say it once again, I loved Speed Racer.

Sollthar wrote:

*looks at Speed Racers box office numbers*

Oh oh...

*pats his Indy 4 première tickets and smiles*
The Joke's really on you my friend, I guarantee that smile will disappear to the space between spaces.

-Matt
Yes, oh God yes! THIS TIMES 1000.

Please, please, please. Do not knock this film if you haven't seen it yet. Do yourself a huge favor and see it. Immediately.
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To be fair - The people who dislike this film have got to basically be under-evolved old-skin of the film industry which need shedding. Films like this are truly a breath of fresh air and are what film making should be about.
I agree. I very much felt like I was looking at the future of cinema watching this movie. It's ahead of it's time, for sure.
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I think seeing this movie is the first time I have stood up and cheered when the credits rolled up, wiped a tear and left the theatre having been more entertained by a film than I have been for years.
You only wiped one tear?! I was sobbing! In joy that is wink

Well, not really. But I had watery eyes during the last 5 minutes of the film.
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Hybrid-Halo wrote:

Sollthar wrote:

*looks at Speed Racers box office numbers*

Oh oh...

*pats his Indy 4 première tickets and smiles*
The Joke's really on you my friend, I guarantee that smile will disappear to the space between spaces.

-Matt
Indy beats Speed any day. I absolutely hated this. But I don't think anyone should listen to a kid who hates candy...
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Indy beats Speed any day. I absolutely hated this. But I don't think anyone should listen to a kid who hates candy...
Your avatar alone, coupled with your favorite movie being Star Wars and loving Indy spells "biased Lucas fanboy", my friend. smile

Even non-subjectively, Speed Racer is a better, more cohesive, and more enjoyable movie with a better plot, snappier writing, and moralist/message-making tones that make it that much better. Surely the overwhelmingly sterling reviews in this thread in comparison to the dismal-to-"meh" reviews in the Indy thread indicate that.

I'll say it again, it's a shame Speed wasn't given his fair shake at the critics. Thank god my Dallas reviewer gave it an 'A'.
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Even non-subjectively
You should know better than to do that. Every single thing you said was entirely subjective. I definitely believe that I will like SR better than Indy 4 for me, but never say "non-subjectively" unless it is literally a fact. Like evolution.
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Ah... of course I'm a Lucas fanboy. The guy created Star Wars and Indiana Jones- my favorite movies of all time. But if he had made Speed Racer, it would have been confirmation to me that he has completely lost it. Fortunately, he's taking CG anime in the right direction with The Clone Wars.

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You should know better than to do that. Every single thing you said was entirely subjective. I definitely believe that I will like SR better than Indy 4 for me, but never say "non-subjectively" unless it is literally a fact. Like evolution.
True.
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Even non-subjectively
Doh!
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I thought this movie rocked so much, I'll be bold enough to say it, and I do in-fact know and meant what I said. smile
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The Joke's really on you my friend, I guarantee that smile will disappear to the space between spaces.
Hehe, ah, Indy is a huge box office success and critically also much higher acclaimed then Speedy Kiddo here. My grin stays so far. smile
And I'm happy for Indy, because hopefully this means he'll get another chance at a proper "last adventure" in Indy 5.


I'll watch this when it comes out on DVD. Just watched the Trailer again and it still looks like a more expensive version of Spy Kids to me, with cars. The Wachowskis will no doubt make it incredibly eye-candy though.
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Spy Kids is great, though! smile

I think it's probably the cars that put me off Speed Racer. I'm simply not interested in cars. Especially made up CG cars.
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Sollthar wrote:

Just watched the Trailer again and it still looks like a more expensive version of Spy Kids to me, with cars. The Wachowskis will no doubt make it incredibly eye-candy though.
No, you've got it all wrong.
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FreshMentos wrote:

Sollthar wrote:

Just watched the Trailer again and it still looks like a more expensive version of Spy Kids to me, with cars. The Wachowskis will no doubt make it incredibly eye-candy though.
No, you've got it all wrong.
Yeah, it is more like Shark Boy and Lava Girl (in 3D!)
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Speed Racer isn't really a car movie at all, believe it or not.

Can't help but feel smug regarding your comments Sollthar, surely you could just stay home and watch Titanic over and over - as that did great at the box office.

Indy was going to make more than Speed whatever happened simply due to the weight it's name has. Speed Racer is more or less unknown. There's no point in really discussing this with people who are yet to see Speed Racer. Enjoy being disappointed by Indy.

-Matt
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Spy Kids is great, though! smile

I think it's probably the cars that put me off Speed Racer. I'm simply not interested in cars. Especially made up CG cars.
I couldn’t disagree more.
Even though I was 10 or 11 when Spy Kids 3D came out and thought it was awesome, the VFX in it pretty much suck. (I guess they’re supposed to.)
When I saw that ILM was working on a VFX driven anime adaptation by The Matrix Brothers I was thrilled. When the trailer came out however I was sad to see that the stylized CGI looked somewhat like it would get compared to Spy Kids 3D by CGI haters. I was really sorry to that all the talent and work that went into every single frame of Speed Racer would be compared to that.

It’s like the state of the art CGI Hulk in Ang Lee’s 2003 Hulk. It was the industry’s finest, made by (surprise) ILM, and supervised by veteran VFX man Dennis Muren (who worked on A New Hope in 1976 and has been winning academy awards since). People compared it to Shrek. Shrek for crying out loud!

I was worried that this would happen to Speed Racer. (Not that ILM needs my support, no matter how much CGI haters scream everyone in the business knows they’re the best.)

But on the contrary, people all over IMDb are saying it’s the single biggest visual experience of their life. Not just in movies, but in their entire life. So now I’m really syked. I knew I could leave it up to my favorite VFX supervisor John Knoll (Mission Impossible, Star Wars OT 1997 Special Edition, Star Wars Prequels, Pirates of the Caribbean Trilogy) to accomplish this. He under-supervised the ILM division of Speed Racer while Matrix Trilogy VFX supervisor: John Gaeta supervised the whole project (directors tend to stick with their supervisors, as with their composers).

I can’t wait for it. The visual aspect is really important to my enjoyment of a film. That’s why I like the style of visual directors like George Lucas, Steven Speilberg and Gore Verbinski. I mean try watching 5 minutes anywhere in Revenge of the Sith and tell me you can’t find a frame in those 5 minutes worthy of your desktop background. Emotion and visuals have a lot to do with each other in film.

I saw The Nanny Diaries recently, (because the rest of my family was watching it and to watch Scarlet Johansen) and I didn’t like it (even Scarlet Johansen could’nt make up for it). Much of that, to me, was because of it’s direction. There was and abandonment scene, where a child begs Scarlet not to leave him, and I just didn’t feel much. This was due to lousy direction and a boring score. So I thought back to the abandonment scene in A.I. which I remember upsetting me back in the day when I was 11. So went for the DVD, and man, Spielberg has some beautiful frames in that scene. Of course John Williams score and Haley Joel Osment’s acting really help. You can really feel sad when you see it. The last frame of Haley Joel Osment’s character shrinking away in the distance in the rear-view mirror while some piano that really sounds like despair is playing really is what movies is all about.

Wow, that was a long off-topic rant, sorry. *Phew*

Anyway, I really look forward to Speed Racer!!!
Posted: Wed, 4th Jun 2008, 8:39am

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Staff Only wrote:

Tarn wrote:

Spy Kids is great, though! smile

I think it's probably the cars that put me off Speed Racer. I'm simply not interested in cars. Especially made up CG cars.
I couldn’t disagree more.
Even though I was 10 or 11 when Spy Kids 3D came out and thought it was awesome, the VFX in it pretty much suck.
I was actually referring to the original Spy Kids. I've not seen any of the sequels.

When the trailer came out however I was sad to see that the stylized CGI looked somewhat like it would get compared to Spy Kids 3D by CGI haters.
I'd also like to point out that I'm not a CGI hater. I love CGI when used appropriately. smile
Posted: Wed, 4th Jun 2008, 5:05pm

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Tarn wrote:

Staff Only wrote:

Tarn wrote:

Spy Kids is great, though! smile

I think it's probably the cars that put me off Speed Racer. I'm simply not interested in cars. Especially made up CG cars.
I couldn’t disagree more.
Even though I was 10 or 11 when Spy Kids 3D came out and thought it was awesome, the VFX in it pretty much suck.
I was actually referring to the original Spy Kids. I've not seen any of the sequels.

When the trailer came out however I was sad to see that the stylized CGI looked somewhat like it would get compared to Spy Kids 3D by CGI haters.
I'd also like to point out that I'm not a CGI hater. I love CGI when used appropriately. smile
I know you're not;)

Also by saying: "I couldn’t disagree more."

I meant about not getting exited about CGI cars.wink

Lastly, the weird thing is: The original Spy Kids is the only Spy Kids I didn't see...still haven't.
Posted: Wed, 4th Jun 2008, 5:27pm

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Can't help but feel smug regarding your comments Sollthar, surely you could just stay home and watch Titanic over and over - as that did great at the box office.

Indy was going to make more than Speed whatever happened simply due to the weight it's name has. Speed Racer is more or less unknown. There's no point in really discussing this with people who are yet to see Speed Racer. Enjoy being disappointed by Indy.
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Atom wrote:

Hybrid-Halo wrote:


Can't help but feel smug regarding your comments Sollthar, surely you could just stay home and watch Titanic over and over - as that did great at the box office.

Indy was going to make more than Speed whatever happened simply due to the weight it's name has. Speed Racer is more or less unknown. There's no point in really discussing this with people who are yet to see Speed Racer. Enjoy being disappointed by Indy.
slowclap
Atom, based on your posts, it seems like you support what Hybrid said. Isn't that smiley intended for sarcasm?
Posted: Wed, 4th Jun 2008, 10:01pm

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I support what Hybrid said fully. The slow clap isn't (meant to be) sarcastic.
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So, I saw Speed Racer a couple of weeks ago and really, really enjoyed it. And today I decided to see it in the Imax and absolutely loved it. It really is unlike anything I've ever seen before and it's incredible. I have to say, watching it today in the Imax is probably the first time in a long time that I can remember getting lost in a film and completely forgetting about anything else.

It's unfortunate that this film has been overlooked by seemingly everyone, but I highly recommend seeing it if you get the chance.

And rest assured, this will be first film I buy when I get a Blu-Ray player.
Posted: Tue, 10th Jun 2008, 10:38pm

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Ah! I finally got to see this Sunday to cool down after a long trip. I didn't cool down, I just got really excited at what I feel was the most enjoyable film I've seen so far this year. Great visuals, surprisingly good story, and even more surprising, good acting!

This was such a blast to watch. I recommend this to anyone who wants to have a fun ride. I'm disappointed that it did so badly in the box office. What a shame.
Posted: Tue, 10th Jun 2008, 11:35pm

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Not as shameful and ridiculous as the 35% rating on Rotten Tomatoes. Another shame people can't see from that rating that nearly all 35% gave the movie an A- or higher; whereas movies like Indy 4 scratch off clean with a 75% or so where that 75% gave the movie no more than a C+ or B.
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Atom wrote:

Not as shameful and ridiculous as the 35% rating on Rotten Tomatoes. Another shame people can't see from that rating that nearly all 35% gave the movie an A- or higher; whereas movies like Indy 4 scratch off clean with a 75% or so where that 75% gave the movie no more than a C+ or B.
Are you saying that the critics that gave Speed Racer a C+ or B were considered calling it rotten? I'm pretty sure the Rotten Tomatoes rating system is consistent with every movie. I typically agree with RT, but there have been quite a bit of instances when I don't too (they gave Ocean's Eleven 88%?!?!? It was terrible!!!!!!) I haven't seen Speed Racer though, so I'm not saying anything about the rating that it got.


-Jabooza
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Jabooza wrote:

(they gave Ocean's Eleven 88%?!?!? It was terrible!!!!!!)

-Jabooza
That's... debatable..

I'm gonna go see speed racer this week, I believe. Despite the fxhome excitement, I really don't think that it will be very superb. But, who knows...
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Thrawn wrote:

Jabooza wrote:

(they gave Ocean's Eleven 88%?!?!? It was terrible!!!!!!)

-Jabooza
That's... debatable..
You haven't seen Ocean's Eleven, have you? smile
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Jabooza wrote:

You haven't seen Ocean's Eleven, have you? smile
Have you? smile

Ocean's Eleven (the Clooney/Pitt/etc. one) is a pretty good heist film imo, even if the sequels suck.
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Harvey wrote:

Jabooza wrote:

You haven't seen Ocean's Eleven, have you? smile
Have you? smile

Ocean's Eleven (the Clooney/Pitt/etc. one) is a pretty good heist film imo, even if the sequels suck.
I have. wink
I really hated it. There wasn't really all that much of a plot, and since the characters didn't really have much of a reason to do the heist and really weren't more than just thieves, I found myself being completely bored and uninterested with what was going on.

Anyway, that's off topic, and I don't want to be credited with ruining the thread. smile
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Yeah, not to get off topic or anything... but I really enjoyed Oceans 11, are you sure you aren't getting confused with 12? Either that or you must have missed the ending... 13 was decent, but wasn't as great as 11, for sure.

Anyway, back on topic..
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Normally, at least ever since I was it in theaters back when I was 12 or so, I've had to hold by the general fact that most of the people who dislike the Clooney/Pitt Ocean's Eleven didn't 'get' the ending at first like everyone else, and felt bad enough to deem it meddlesome, convoluted, or any other word for 'confusing to people who aren't keen the first time 'round'. smile

And who is anyone kidding, Ocean's Eleven is hardly debatable as a standard good film if not a "great" heist movie of the new century. But Jabooza's right. Generally well-cast, well-directed, well-acted, well-shot, well-edited, and well-written movies are terrible. wink

But back to what I'm saying. Jabooza, the "fresh" reviews for Speed Racer are generally much, much higher and complimentary (people being 'blown away' and such) than that of the "fresh" reviews for Indy 4; those who give it a passing for "fresh" but still deem it 'meh' material. Hope that makes sense. wink
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This is why numerical ratings, when applied to art/entertainment, are almost entirely pointless. You can't apply a scientific principle to something so subjective. There's nothing objective, logical or scientific about reviewing - it's just pure subjective opinion. If you want to know what a reviewer thought, read the actual review, don't just look at the score.

That's why I don't do review scores when I review stuff on FXhome.com. There's no way I can sum up my opinion of a film convincingly as a score, as no film is that simple, and no two films can be judged on the same scale.

Most annoyingly, Speed Racer is no longer at cinemas here in Norwich. It was only out for about two weeks, so we'll have to wait until it hits blu-ray - should still be a cool audio-visual experience on our office setup I hope!
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I didn't like Ocean's Eleven because it was a plotless excuse to make a cool heist movie with a lot of big name actors. And in my opinion, in trying so hard to be cool, it turned out being a bit lame.

It's odd how much my opinion tends to differ from that of the majority of FXhome... I'll probably hate Speed Racer. smile
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Thrawn wrote:

Yeah, not to get off topic or anything... but I really enjoyed Oceans 11, are you sure you aren't getting confused with 12? Either that or you must have missed the ending... 13 was decent, but wasn't as great as 11, for sure.

Anyway, back on topic..
Well, I didn't like it either... but we did kind of watch it at 4:30 in the morning, so it's possible our oppinions aren't completely accurate.
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Finally saw Speed Racer.

Utterly brilliant film.

That is all.
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I know, it's totally and pathetically underrated. Finally bought it on Blu-Ray for a cool $13 at Costco and gave it another watch. It's easily one of my favorite movies- I'm so glad I caught onto it and gave it a chance and was able to get others to do the same wayback when it was released in theaters. To think of missing that experience........it just makes me sad so many other people did because of the bad reviews.

But I guess it doesn't matter if critical reception changes. What matters, is if we let critical reception change us.

The obligatory Atomic Productions-style ending is obviously my favorite part. biggrin
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Indeed. Blade Runner and Fight Club had lacklustre reviews and box office as well, and they're doing alright for themselves these days.

Hopefully over time Speed Racer will come to be more appreciated as well. Such a refreshing film! Reminded me of why I was excited about the Wachowskis back in '99.
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Finally saw Speed Racer.

Utterly brilliant film.

That is all.
Finally.
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Huh, I went back and checked, and I realize I didn't ever post after I saw the film. I really liked Speed Racer. It was well done, and served its purpose completley.

(Also, just saw Avatar. Oh man. I'll post some thoughts in the morning, once I've had time to think it over.)
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I can't figure out why this movie didn't do better than it did. My only guess is that it's too ahead of it's time, and the public didn't know what to make of it. The whole time I was watching it (especially during the final race) I was thinking to myself, "this is the future of filmmaking". It just worked so well, and did everything it set out to do perfectly.

Even though I had seen plenty of mostly-greenscreen digital films before, and was totally on board with the digital "revolution", Speed Racer was the first time I really saw how well it can work. Sin City was crazy awesome, but it hasn't held up as well as I think Speed Racer will. There's something so timeless about it's cartoony look, and the overall feel of the thing. It's something no other film has, and no other films even seem to want for some reason.

It's definitely up there with my all time favorite films. Right beside The Matrix, perhaps.
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Tarn wrote:

Finally saw Speed Racer.

Utterly brilliant film.

That is all.
I KNOW, RIGHT?

I reread this thread and re watched the movie(on DVD)... The true greatness of Speed Racer will be fully realized someday.
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Aculag the fxhome guy wrote:

I can't figure out why this movie didn't do better than it did. My only guess is that it's too ahead of it's time, and the public didn't know what to make of it. The whole time I was watching it (especially during the final race) I was thinking to myself, "this is the future of filmmaking". It just worked so well, and did everything it set out to do perfectly.
Yeah, it's perplexing, as it does seem to have all the ingredients. I can't help but think that if it had just had "BY PIXAR!" in the trailers, it would have been the biggest film of the year.

The word 'visionary' gets batted around a bit too easily sometimes, but I think it's definitely applicable to Speed Racer. In all respects it's swimming in new water in really exciting ways. The narrative structure was pretty daring, too - maybe that's what perplexed people?

Mid-air car flip punch to the head.

Mountainside switch and climb.

I need to watch this film again.