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Posted: Tue, 3rd Jun 2008, 9:32am

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two kids fall into the awesome game, super smash brothers!

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Posted: Tue, 3rd Jun 2008, 9:45am

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boggle eh

I'm sure this must look great inside your head and all... But it really wasn't for an outsider to watch. I'm not even sure what to comment on.
Posted: Tue, 3rd Jun 2008, 10:57am

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You know when you visit those lame museums/exhibits which have a "make yourself fly" video section, where you can lie down on a blue box and a computer super-imposes you onto a backdrop of clouds? Well thats basically what you've done: 1m 48seconds of footage of you screaming at eachother and having fun (incidentally, I'd suggest cutting down on the E-numbers).

I'm fairly sure you know all your effects were bad, but for your age I'd expect nothing more. I'm not asking you to become digital geniuses overnight, but it would be nice if you can think of your audience before uploading the the next video of you and your friends screaming gibberish at the camera and throwing yourselves around like you're on a bouncy castle, coz I can assure you behaving that way on camera doesn't win you any fans.

The problem is not that you were having fun, its because you've mistaken messing around and film-making as the same thing. Its fine if you want to record some silly footage of yourselves, but its another thing if you want to upload that footage to a website viewable by millions, where everyone can see you. Are you absolutely sure you want millions of people to see this video?

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Posted: Tue, 3rd Jun 2008, 7:11pm

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Yeah, basically what Xcession said. But the main problems were that the effects were blatantly shoddy, which is more than fine for what you're doing: having fun. But when you put it out on the internet expect all the flaws in your film to be pointed out.

The fact that the greenscreen shots had very bad cutoff, when at some points half the actor was completly gone, is what completely destroys the effect you're going for the most. The film also doesn't go anywhere, at all, kids get sucked in, mess about, they die. Put some more work into moving your film along, and that would make it more interesting.

Please don't stop enjoying yourself with your camera and your imagination because of me. The good thing was that the fundamental compositing methods were there, for instance when one of you is sucked in; greenscreen the actor and move him into the tv, thats the right way to go about it, but the final execution was poor, so you've got the ideas in your head, just work on polishing your film to a good finish.

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Posted: Tue, 3rd Jun 2008, 7:31pm

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As Sollthar said...

boggle
Posted: Tue, 3rd Jun 2008, 9:32pm

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Oh, dear God...

To make it concise, well... this was the exact look on my face through the whole film:

eek

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Posted: Tue, 3rd Jun 2008, 9:43pm

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Honestly, I laughed really hard when the first kid got sucked into the screen, because the effects were so abysmally awful.

....Then I proceeded to turn it off.
Posted: Tue, 3rd Jun 2008, 10:31pm

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I have nothing to say... I really am at a loss for words..
Posted: Tue, 3rd Jun 2008, 11:23pm

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u guys no ur all jealous of my mad video making skills, just admit it.
Posted: Tue, 3rd Jun 2008, 11:25pm

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Hollywood, get ready to meet the next Ed Wood!




Sorry, I couldn't resist.

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Posted: Tue, 3rd Jun 2008, 11:38pm

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nerfgunnerz3 wrote:

u guys no ur all jealous of my mad video making skills, just admit it.
erm, are you joking? Or are you serious?

EDIT: haha, nice, Jabooza.
Posted: Wed, 4th Jun 2008, 12:37am

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I could have made these effects with my two little tows.


Which are pretty amazing, I must say...
Posted: Wed, 4th Jun 2008, 1:55am

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Is anyone else having the feeling that nerfgunnerz is actually ChiCK0 under a different name?


(M'not sure if I got those capitals placed properly in 'chick0', but whatevs)
Posted: Wed, 4th Jun 2008, 3:35am

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It is possible, their grammar and spelling are nearly identical.
Posted: Wed, 4th Jun 2008, 3:37am

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if you are smart enough to highlight this, then i praise you. but really...is there a way for the filters to catch this kind of stuff? i think this deserves to be on youtube, not FXHome. is this really what is happening?
Posted: Wed, 4th Jun 2008, 5:28am

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Please learn how to key properly. thank you.
Posted: Wed, 4th Jun 2008, 6:18am

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i am a beginner, im 13, and it took me 2 minutes to make that vid, so shut ur mouth, u culdnt do any better.
Posted: Wed, 4th Jun 2008, 7:30am

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nerfgunnerz3 wrote:

i am a beginner, im 13, and it took me 2 minutes to make that vid, so shut ur mouth, u culdnt do any better.
Ahhh, the wonders of early-teenage naivety and a very, very loose understanding of how the FXHome forums work. smile

Nerfgunner, you've got some bad press thus far. It's understandable, you yourself said you only made this in 2 minutes. And you seem to have become upset- again understandable, people are bashing your work, quite 'understandably' but upsetting nonetheless. So I'll give you this word of advice:

Take a deep breath, calm down, and before you inadvertently give yourself a terrible rep think about why you put this on here and if it was really necessary or reflective of your work if it did indeed 'took me 2 minutes to make that vid'. I got on here when I was 14, and said similar things so let me put this bluntly: No one gives a damn how old you are; it doesn't help or hurt your case. But that extra helping of "u culdnt do any better" sure does, so watch it with that stuff.

The horrible spelling, pretentiousness, and complete falseness to that little phrase is all-around bad news that will only ever do......well.....bad things for you.

So welcome to FXHome, watch what you say, and think and evaluate what you do before posting it here; then think of how you should respond once it's up, and I'm sure you'll be fine. I look forward to your next, 'actual' video.
Posted: Wed, 4th Jun 2008, 8:12am

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I am a beginner
Which is quite obvious from your video already, but thanks for clarifying. Check out some tutorials and study films to learn how it's done properly.

I'm 13, and it took me 2 minutes to make that vid
I would have guessed you being younger, but that you only spent 2 minutes on that video is also obvious. Probably why it's as bad as it is.

A friendly suggestion: If you decide to put something online for other people to watch, at least have the respect to put some actual effort and time into it. And think if what you show is actually interesting for an outsider.

This video is like watching an 8 year old play with his toys. It might be very fun for him, but it's incredibly dull to watch for anyone else.

so shut ur mouth
If you don't want to hear people's opinions on your work, then check the friendly suggestion above again. Don't put it online.

u culdnt do any better.
sleep


Now take care and hopefully you learn something out of this.
Posted: Wed, 4th Jun 2008, 8:27am

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nerfgunnerz3 wrote:

u culdnt do any better.
Pretty much everyone that has posted in this topic has done better. Some of them even when they were close to your age.

Many of us also produced poor quality stuff in our early days, but the crucial thing is that we listened to feedback and made a conscious effort to improve.


The main thing to realise here, I think, is that the Internet is a big, big place. Putting a movie on YouTube or FXhome.com is quite a major thing. It's not like showing the video to your mates. It's not like showing it to your family.

You're putting the video somewhere where every single person on planet Earth can potentially watch it.

As such, you need to think about when it's appropriate to put something up. If you've put almost zero effort into something, then why show it to other people that dont know you? I'm not saying don't make fun stuff like this - it's really good experience and will help you improve as a filmmaker. But it'd be far better for your reputation and self-esteem to wait until you have something of a certain quality before showing it publically.

On a related note, if you're not prepared to actually listen to criticisms, then there's even less point in showing the video publically. There's three main reasons for showing your work publically:

1. To entertain people.
2. To get useful feedback to help you get better.
3. To make money.

You need to do at least one of those to make it worthwhile. That goes for everyone, from the ultimate beginner to Steven Spielberg.

Anyway, I'm looking forward to what you do next. You've got the tools and the enthusiasm, all you need to do now is learn some of the skills. I would HIGHLY recommend checking out Sollthar's amazing filmmaking guide:

http://fxhome.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=27135

Have a read of that. You won't regret it.
Posted: Fri, 6th Jun 2008, 8:57pm

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I don't know where to start! I'll make it short.
Your grading is worse than most of what I've seen, try to edit longer than 2 minutes (as you claim to have done) and it will probably turn out better.
It was a good idea, but you need to come up with more than just the main story, some decent jokes would be fine.

You can do better, just put some more effort into the filmmaking.
Posted: Sat, 7th Jun 2008, 12:34am

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When we film at our house with kids who are brand new to this stuff, the first thing we say is "Rule #1- Don't hurt anybody" Rule #2- "DON'T look at the camera-EVER". At least it looks like no one got hurt.
Posted: Sat, 7th Jun 2008, 1:39am

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nerfgunnerz3 wrote:

i am a beginner, im 13, and it took me 2 minutes to make that vid, so shut ur mouth, u culdnt do any better.
Sorry sir, but if you continue to act like that, were going to have to ask you to leave...

kidding, kidding. But please don't be so immature on a this forum, you just make yourself look bad.

As for your video. Yes, it was very bad. And if you made it in two minutes and knew it was bad, how would you expect us to respond?

The chroma key was absolutely horrid. My advice on keying is that you keep your actors as far away from the screen as possible to reduce/remove the shadows from your actors. Then you need the screen to be as wrinkle-free possible. The screen must be evenly light as well (the most important part). You could use some reflectors behind your actors and the light should spill pretty nicely on the cloth.

For the effect of going into the T.V. you could create an opaque neon light over the screen as they are going in. Then add a twirl and some electricity on the screen to help sell the effect further. Then maybe distort you actor with the waves function.

There also wasn't any point in the video. It was just two kids in front of a screen being obnoxious. Give you video a story!
Posted: Sat, 7th Jun 2008, 7:44am

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Hey now, guys. Not to brag on myself but I think we got the 'FXHome Life Lesson' out of the way after a couple posts including mine. (Some which I think perhaps shouldn't have been +1'd simply because of their redundancy. smile)

Leave the kid be, now.
Posted: Sat, 7th Jun 2008, 9:28am

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So I finally got to watching this. No offense, but it was mostly crap. If you don't think something will go over well- simply don't post it to the cinema. I've posted a lot of test/improv/music videos lately to the forums because I didn't think they were up to snuff and would be shot down in the cinema. So crawl (forum posts) before you walk (cinema submissions), perhaps?

As for your brutish assertion....

When I was around 14, I made this and then, more importantly, began to make this, which I think proves I can do better. Oh yes, and what's hilariously more excusable is the fact that I spend about an hour, maybe less, on most of the shorter stuff I do. So the time argument is nil if you want to compare to someone.
Posted: Sat, 7th Jun 2008, 2:17pm

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Here's a penny for my thoughts.

Acting - Not at all professional acting but you looked like you had fun.
Music - Music was so mind boring awful, sorry.
Sound - Don't know if this is a camera issue but man your sound was off a lot. Some time taken on the sound would have fixed it though.
Story - Some random lets make a film didn't really work for me. Seemed like another test rather than a film.
Keying (Y' know, the greenscreen thingy) - Bad, very bad. This can however be improved by sorting your lighting up and then hand masked the garbage matte frame by frame, this way it'll cut out all of the part you don't want in it.

Overall I don't really want to rate this but I'll just say that if you take your time you'll be suprised by the results, if you can't be bothered to take your time and become impacient then being a filmmaker isn't for you.

Looking forward to future projects!
Posted: Sun, 8th Jun 2008, 12:12am

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this is nothing

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Posted: Sun, 8th Jun 2008, 12:57am

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Inflammatory comments get you nowhere, especially when you just broke a shitload of forum rules right there. There are homosexuals in this forum from time to time, consider how comments like that might affect them.

This kid thinks this is just some piss and go forum like so many on the net; a place where language or content or what have you is not censored. But this is FXHome, a sensible place that shouldn't tolerate this inane, disjointed crap.

I vote for a banning, immediately.
Posted: Sun, 8th Jun 2008, 1:21am

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nerfgunnerz3 wrote:

go suck on something u faggot.
Faggots, with an S, my friend, as more than one person replied. Except if you were only talking to one person - presumably the one that posted right before you. Well, B3N's post should have been great help to you. I don't know, but if you posted your film here for any vacant reason, then you should be delighted with him and thank him for his reply, help and time.

And anyway, it's usually the cigarettes who get sucked, not the other way around. That's because cigarettes don't have mouths.

And please don't PM me about my post again. My screen does not need to have complete nonsense painted all over it again. Thank you.
Posted: Sun, 8th Jun 2008, 1:31am

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Nice attempt guys, next time, if you want positive feedback work on it for like an hour or something so that it doesn't look so bad. Like they said already if you don't want critisism don't put something of this calliber on this kind of site, or any site for that matter.

nerfgunnerz3 wrote:

go suck on something u faggot.
As atom and ben3308 said this doesn't help your cause. Just take what they said into consideration and use it next time. Put the past behind you. Just try to do a better job next time. Good luck in the future.

ben3308 wrote:

I vote for a banning, immediately.
I wouldn't go that far. I think all of us have been in a simalar place before. I remember when I first got here. I knew absolutely nothing, aside from how to use wmm. You guys taught me a lot. I think that you guys should over look this and give him one more shot, he may loose an important chance to learn something valuable. Though that comment was kind of out of line. Seriously nerfgunnerz3 watch yourself next time, if there is one. You might actually get banned.
Posted: Sun, 8th Jun 2008, 1:57am

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It seems as thou you are a little confused...

First: FXhome is not Youtube. Fxhome is a site where movie makers join together to show off their stuff and get CRITIQUED. So when people tell you something about your video...most likely, you shouldn't call them a faggot(s)

Second: the main thing your movie lacks is a plot. The idea of going into a video game is a cool idea, so go from there and add to it. Have a plot (even if it is basic, and then make up everything else as you go. kinda like your other video) but have character development, climax, and resolution (ending). even if its not very in-depth it still makes it some what enjoyable.

Third: don't look at the camera (already mentioned)

fourth: If you want to do green screen...DO GREEN SCREEN. your biggest problem as I see it is that your green screen isn't tight enough and is causing shadows that cause different shades of green, which in return are not properly keyed out. What I would suggest you do is go to Home Depot and by some clamps. Pull the screen tight and clamp the green screen to the polls that hold it up, this will help you to have a solid green color with only a few soft shadows. Also in Visionlabs you should add the "Spill suppression" grading which will remove all the left over green. This tutorial should help.

last: I would just suggest to listen to what people have to say on this site. Many of them know what they are talking because they do it for a living.

Good luck on your next project, I look forward to seeing your improvement. Hope some of this stuff make sense to you
Posted: Sun, 8th Jun 2008, 3:04am

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Maybe the mods should check and see if nerfgunnerz3 shares the same IP address as ChiCKO...

go suck on something u fa****.
Dude, what's your problem? If you were directing that at any of the fxhomers on page two, you should be ashamed of yourself. We were trying to help you. We could have been jerks about how bad your video was, instead we offered advice on how you could improve. Instead you shout back at us like prick.

You do also realize the term fa**** is the equivalent to calling a black person a... You get the point. You need a time-out young man.

Have a nice day. smile
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Wow, whats happened to FXhome lately? We seem to be getting swarmed with a bunch of youtube-swearing-critic-hating-twats. I'm also assuming he was commenting on my post and when I did read it...yes...I went and sucked on a candy bar, happy now?

I know you mat be young nerfgunnerz3 and still learning swearwords but at the end of the day the sad truth is that saying them constantly to try and hurt someones feelings isn't really cool and doesn't work. You didn't make me cry seeing as I'm an emo, so I don't give a damn what you think. smile

I don't however think nerfgunnerz3 should be banned, but I think this movie should be removed from the cinema or at least the topic should be deleted at least. Banning is a little extreme for now, let's give him time to find his feet, if he doesn't we'll poke him to death.

Hope you grow up wink

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The problem of it all is, and I'm sure it's somewhat the truth, the vastness of YouTube made young teenagers (and countless others, I'm sure) think that it was okay to talk shitt to others making videos and commenting on them; because there are simply so many users and so many thousands (if not millions) of videos that people aren't bound to write them back, let alone care.

The problem is, when you transplant that attitude (albeit a horrible and selfish attitude to begin with) to a place like FXHome, where we've got maybe a couple hundred of regulars who really do care and share their time and critique and help, etc.- the negativity of this kind stuff is multiplied like nobody's business.
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Well said atom, well said.
Posted: Mon, 9th Jun 2008, 12:18am

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im sorry for what i said, i just didnt no u guys took stuff so seriously. on youtube no one wuld care if u dissed sumone or not. its actually quite fun to have dissing fights. but i guess u guys dont like to be dissed a little. and bye the way, on youtube, everyone luvs this vid. so i sure hope u accept my apology.
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nerfgunnerz3 wrote:

im sorry for what i said, i just didnt no u guys took stuff so seriously. on youtube no one wuld care if u dissed sumone or not. its actually quite fun to have dissing fights. but i guess u guys dont like to be dissed a little. and bye the way, on youtube, everyone luvs this vid. so i sure hope u accept my apology.
I can't speak for anyone but myself, but I accept your apology. Bye the way the purpose for this site is so that filmmakers can get together and learn how to do a better job. Most of us here, except maybe a few, are here because they want to learn how to do make good movies, and to showcase their work. However when you showcase it here expect critisism or a way to improve rather than just sitting there and writing lol. Anyway. Good luck in the future.

PS This isn't YouTube.
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Somebody lock this thread and throw away the key... ahem Hybrid?
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nerfgunnerz3 wrote:

im sorry for what i said, i just didnt no u guys took stuff so seriously. on youtube no one wuld care if u dissed sumone or not.
That's because YouTube is an anarchic and unpleasant place, full of lowest common denominator people. You can find some highly entertaining content there, and there are little pockets of decent communities, but on the whole it's pretty soulless and revels in negativity.

its actually quite fun to have dissing fights. but i guess u guys dont like to be dissed a little.
The difference, I think, is twofold. Firstly, FXhome is a lot more 'permanent' - YouTube is so massive and impersonal that you're unlikely to stumble across the same person more than once. Here, it's entirely possible for people to get to know each other quite quickly.

Secondly, we have a wide range of ages and skillsets here. There's a lot of amateur filmmakers, some students, some semi-pros and even some active professionals. We've got 10 year old kids and we've got 50 year olds.

The point is that while FXhome is much smaller than YouTube, it nevertheless lives and breathes through its diversity and breadth of experience. The great thing is that pretty much everyone enjoys talking to everyone else, despite the big age and experience differences. We celebrate differences, rather than try to destroy them.

YouTube, on the other hand, seems to be almost entirely populated by aggressive teenagers. While lots of people watch videos there, only a certain vocal minority seem to bother writing anything. So while 'dissing' might be fun among a certain portion of the population, you'll find as you get older and encounter people outside your immediate social group that there are alternate and far more effective (and rewarding) methods of communication.

I guess what I'm saying is: don't settle for the lowest standard. You should always be trying to better yourself, don't just go along with what the people next to you think is OK.

Anyway, thanks for your apology, which is entirely accepted. I look forward to you becoming a valued member of FXhome!
Posted: Mon, 9th Jun 2008, 8:43am

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Nerfgunnerz3: Thanks for understanding.

YouTube's "dissing thing" has become YouTube itself and while its fun in short bursts, it has effectively ruined YouTube for millions of web users. YouTube is responsible for the 2000s "on demand" generation such as yourself - kids who want "watch-and-forget" experiences, or in this case "insult-and-forget". Unfortunately real film-making requires considerable time, effort, thought and maturity, so its not that we "can't take" the dissing, its more the implication that our lovingly created community is no better than YouTube razz

YouTube is 70% about opinion and 30% about talent, which was the whole idea for the site, but it means it has little real appeal for anyone over 20. Thats why real film-making communities such as FXhome exist - to promote talent and instruct others. We'd hope you can learn something from us and create something brilliant smile
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I learned how to key in Vision lab because of this horrible movie! And my first one came out MUCH BETTER THAN YOURS! twisted
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Linkio123 wrote:

I learned how to key in Vision lab because of this horrible movie! And my first one came out MUCH BETTER THAN YOURS! twisted
Well you suck.

Anyway, the movie was bad yes but give him credit, he tried. But at the end of the day he didn't try hard enough.
Posted: Fri, 13th Mar 2009, 4:44pm

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Crazy Director

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Its kinda hard to understand cos the kids are just changing views about what they say every second.
Posted: Sat, 14th Mar 2009, 1:27pm

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clement

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nerfgunnerz3,

you just have to work harder next time. it should take you more then 3 or 4 minutes to make a short film.

Also, have some real dialogue with maybe more then one shot just to make it look more real and appeal to the other members on this site.

If you are 13, then keep working hard, because you have the basics down on the whole greenscreen thing, you just need to polish it up
Posted: Sat, 14th Mar 2009, 6:20pm

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Atom wrote:

The problem of it all is, and I'm sure it's somewhat the truth, the vastness of YouTube made young teenagers (and countless others, I'm sure) think that it was okay to talk shitt to others making videos and commenting on them; because there are simply so many users and so many thousands (if not millions) of videos that people aren't bound to write them back, let alone care.

The problem is, when you transplant that attitude (albeit a horrible and selfish attitude to begin with) to a place like FXHome, where we've got maybe a couple hundred of regulars who really do care and share their time and critique and help, etc.- the negativity of this kind stuff is multiplied like nobody's business.
Good call Atom.

I've been into playing musical instruments and art, drawing and painting since I was four thanks to my dad so I know how to handle any kind of critisism, so uh yeah, I was really baffled by his attitude and comments... calling folks names? Wow dude really?!
I didn't think there were still people like that around.
And the thing is, all of you guys were trying to do nothing but help him get better.
In the end he realized his "error" and said he was sorry.
Hey, it takes a lot of character for a 13 year old to apologize.
nerfgunnerz3,
just realize that everyone is here to help each other out the best that they can. I've learned a crap load ranging from the youngest members to the older and more seasoned members on this site and I'm that much more the better for it, as in learning to be a filmmaker as well as just being a better person in general.
The last time I felt this kind of kinship with anyone was when I was a kid and I used to skate and surf. I used to miss it but not so much anymore, not since I joined the FX home community.
If you put all the folks on this site together you'll get years and years worth of knowledge and experiance as well as a helping hand so sit back and relax, then prepare to learn a great deal because these guys really, really, I'm talking about really know what they're doing.
Here's some advice that a buddy of mine gave me years ago.
You can't get sugar from sh%t.
As in sugar is "help". No one will be willing to help you if you treat them like crap.
Okay now I'm ready to watch your video.
Posted: Fri, 5th Jun 2009, 2:06am

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nerfgunnerz3 wrote:

u guys no ur all jealous of my mad video making skills, just admit it.
Umm. . . okay.