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Biscaia Wars

Posted: Mon, 21st Jul 2008, 12:12pm

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eloyneto

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Rating: -2

The second of its kind. Biscaia Wars tells the story of a ultimate saber fighting in the most exotic place in Brazil, Pousada Biscaia at Angra dos Reis. www.pousadabiscaia.com.br

Linked to the Blog: http://eloyneto.blogspot.com

Thanks to the actors who made this short come to reality.
Bruno
Christian
Pedro
Matheus
Bruno


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Posted: Mon, 21st Jul 2008, 12:34pm

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Man are you guys lazy. Sorry to sound like an ass but seriously first of it's a video of kids swinging real lightsabres around, no VFX or nothing was noticeable but then again I did skip through because of it's mind boring length of the same thing.

Secondly it's best not to take real company logos and use them at the start seeing as I'm pretty sure Lucas didn't pick up the phone and say, "Yes! yes you can swing lightsabres around and use my logo" So I'm afraid you infringed some copyright laws there.

This I'm not even going to give any stars seeing as it has no plot, no VFX (as far as I can see) possibly some very weak grading. Once again, sorry for being an ass but go ahead! feel free to -1 me, at the end of the day it's a number...it holds no signifigance to me.

On another note...try harder, I know you guys can do better than this.

-B3N
Posted: Mon, 21st Jul 2008, 12:43pm

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I think the best thing to learn from this would be that filming at night when you don't have any lighting equipment is a generally bad idea.

Check out Sollthar's filmmaking guide, it's got loads of good advice for new filmmakers:

http://fxhome.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=27135
Posted: Tue, 22nd Jul 2008, 3:34am

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honestly. ...this was horrible no plot, bad use of effects and it was just kids swing lightsabers THE WHOLE TIME, kids touched the sabers which should kill them put it against there skin, this was bad...i didnt even finish it...but maybe next time use your own logo and your own films ...
Posted: Tue, 22nd Jul 2008, 3:51am

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that was amazing

5/5
Posted: Tue, 22nd Jul 2008, 7:15am

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Oh can I also drop in giving your own movie 5 stars is quite possibly the stupidist thing you can do, it only shows you have no hope in your movie.
Posted: Wed, 23rd Jul 2008, 4:59am

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I didn't know you could rate a movie 0/5 stars or I would have given it that instead of 1/5.
Posted: Thu, 24th Jul 2008, 4:46am

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I just felt a disturbance in the force...like a whole community of film enthusiasts crying out.

To even rate this would be to acknowledge it as "cinema", which it clearly is NOT. Stick to Youtube friends.
Posted: Thu, 24th Jul 2008, 12:55pm

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This is an amateur movie and I don't give a shit to your opinions. This was just made for fun, not for evaluation. If you don't like it F*** yourself! There are absolutly no professionals here. Bunch of hypocrits!!!
Posted: Thu, 24th Jul 2008, 1:00pm

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eloyneto wrote:

This is an amateur movie and I don't give a poo to your opinions. This was just made for fun, not for evaluation. If you don't like it F*** yourself! There are absolutly no professionals here. Bunch of hypocrits!!!
This isn't YouTube. You can't speak to people like that - we expect a certain level of politeness and civil behaviour.

Making stuff for fun is great, and nobody would want to stop you from doing that. However, if it's not for evaluation, why put it up on the Internet at all? Especially on a forum that has a focus on filmmaking and effects.

Similarly, why even show it to other people if you don't care about their opinions? The whole point of the FXhome cinema is to get feedback, so I think perhaps you missed the point somewhat.
Posted: Fri, 25th Jul 2008, 2:14am

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Dear Tarn

It was not me who was not polite, but if there is anyone here who missed the point it's you...
I put the movie here so my "World Friends" can see what we did, which they loved it, even though it's not fancy. I'm going to explain here nothing but the truth, I don't give a sh** to your opinios because you and the others consider yourselves a bunch of professionals filmmakers or else, and therefor you think that a clip which was made for entertainment has to be evaluated. If you don't know I'm Brazilian, and my country is very poor, so a simple and storyless clip like this one was extremely well accepeted and those who watcheed thought it was great, a trully work of art. I know it's far from it, but I also know I don't have what it takes to JUDGE a video clip or other work, that's why i always give 5 stars to encourage people develop their talents. Everyone is entitle to their opinios, you can say whatever you want, that's law in my country, but please, that doesn't mean you can say whatever you want thinking everyone else is an idiot. So I still say: "Bunch of Hypocrits"
Posted: Fri, 25th Jul 2008, 3:12am

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eloyneto wrote:

I don't give a sh** to your opinios because you and the others consider yourselves a bunch of professionals filmmakers or else, and therefor you think that a clip which was made for entertainment has to be evaluated. If you don't know I'm Brazilian, and my country is very poor, so a simple and storyless clip like this one was extremely well accepeted and those who watcheed thought it was great, a trully work of art. I know it's far from it, but I also know I don't have what it takes to JUDGE a video clip or other work, that's why i always give 5 stars to encourage people develop their talents. Everyone is entitle to their opinios, you can say whatever you want, that's law in my country, but please, that doesn't mean you can say whatever you want thinking everyone else is an idiot. So I still say: "Bunch of Hypocrits"
1. Why would you post your video on this site if you don't care what our opinions are?

2. Of course clips made for entertainment have to be evaluated! How else are people going to know how to improve so that they can do what they do--entertain--even better?

3. Your clip may have been well accepted by your friends and family--they knew it for what it was: a bunch of kids swinging around replica lightsabers and having fun. They just want to encourage you to do more and take it even further. But the community here at Fxhome is different. This site is centered around filmmaking and its many nuances, and naturally, if you come into a community of filmmakers and present to us your film, we are going to be a little harsher with our criticisms than your friends and family who have no film experience.

4. A professional is someone who is paid to do a certain task. While many of us here are paid to make films and therefore are professionals, most of us aren't, and certainly do not consider ourselves such.

5. If you want people to develop their talents, tell them what you think they could have improved, and give them a realistic rating. Giving 5 stars to a horrible film will only lead to the repetition of the same mistakes in future films, not the development of skills.

6. I quote you again, "Everyone is entitle to their opinios, you can say whatever you want, that's law in my country, but please, that doesn't mean you can say whatever you want thinking everyone else is an idiot. So I still say: "Bunch of Hypocrits" It seems that you, my friend, are the hypocrite. You seem to think that you can say whatever you want, no matter how hurtful or rude it may be. But if we have even the slightest critique for your film, you seem to want us to shut our faces. People lean from experience. My films used to suck (they still may, just less so)--But I improved by seeking out the opinions of others who actually knew what they were doing. Among them were all the members of the Fxhome community. Their insight and advice has been unquantifiably valuable to me as a filmmaker. As you say, we are entitled to our own opinions, and we certainly don't think you are an idiot, just that you need a little more exposure to the world of indie film before you attempt your next project. I urge you to listen to the people here, and I assure you--people like Tarn definitely know what they're doing.

Anyway, good luck in your future film projects, and I hope you come back here for any help you may need.

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Posted: Fri, 25th Jul 2008, 3:31am

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Though I haven't said anything on this yet, I have to ask:

What makes the people here hypocrits? Because the work the populus here does is of low, unprofessional quality?

If this is what you think, you've been watching the wrong movies here, pal.
Posted: Fri, 25th Jul 2008, 4:49am

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To be fair, I accept that my Youtube comment was probably a little rude. I was frustrated that I wasted my time watching the equivalent of a stranger's unedited vacation videos. I meant it merely as a statement of the appropriate location for a clip of this sort.

Most that submit to the cinema here have exhibited an obvious level of planning and editing before making their work public. The criticism you are receiving here is meant to point you in the direction of making a "film" rather than just coughing up unprepared raw footage for all to see. Anyone can do so and that is what much of the stuff on Youtube is.

Your comment about being from poor Brazil does not excuse your work here. Writing a story is free. You already have a camera and access to a computer. Improve your knowledge of framing and editing shots together. If you can't afford a good book on the subject then do a search online. You obviously have internet access.

If this truly was just so your "World Friends" could enjoy it then Youtube would have sufficed. The cinema here is more a place to critique each others efforts in order to grow as aspiring filmmakers. If you want help then this is a good place to get it. I suggest you try another one but really put some effort into it. I bet you will be surprised at the response.
Posted: Fri, 25th Jul 2008, 5:44am

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eloyneto wrote:

If you don't know I'm Brazilian, and my country is very poor, so a simple and storyless clip like this one was extremely well accepeted and those who watcheed thought it was great, a trully work of art. I know it's far from it, but I also know I don't have what it takes to JUDGE a video clip or other work, that's why i always give 5 stars to encourage people develop their talents.
Two things.

While I know being destitute or underprivileged does play a role in how much access you have to equipment, expense, and other things, it does not limit your ability to frame, edit, and direct. I don't know what your case is, but compared to a lot of FXhome users on here, I'd hazard a guess that, given your circumstances, I'm in a similar 'worse-off' group as you. I'd actually go as far as to say I'm probably one of the least wealthy people on this site. biggrin

I don't have a lot of money, but I learn from watching movies (free in a variety of ways depending upon where you go/who you know) and reading books, a few of which you can buy and read over and over without having to buy anything else. Developing an eye for what to shoot and how to shoot it isn't something dictated by money or geographic location, it's composed of research, experience, an understanding of the art, and, when you have it, talent.

Am I saying that this excuses all your circumstances? No, I know things can be bad and make it hard to do superficial things like make movies on the side. Trust me, I've been there. But in reality, you have to realize that FXHome is a place where developed cinematographers and editors come to post their stuff, and it's just condescending, inappropriate and rude to make sweeping generalizations as you did.

What's more, you say you lack judgment for movies. Then I have to ask: why are you here? Why put your movie into a cinema system, knowing full well (especially if you read the fine print! wink) that it is susceptible to ratings and comments of others? If you want to show friends, that's fine. It's a testament to FXHome's impeccable web design, actually, that you'd like to present others with your spiffy FXHome cinema page. But if you think that means you can just say 'I can't judge things, so I'll just go crazy with the ratings', it doesn't.

Judging films is oftentimes hard, but it can be done by anyone who has the will to do it. So get off your butt and think on a deeper level about what you're saying and who/what it affects. Who knows, you might actually learn something.

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Posted: Fri, 25th Jul 2008, 8:12am

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If you don't like it F*** yourself!
Even in Brazil you should be aware that telling people to F*** themselves is probably not considered very nice and friendly.

Some people liked your work, good for you. Some people didn't like your work. I suggest you get over it and deal with it like an adult. No one called you names. If you can't behave like a civilized person even IF you disagree with someones opinion, you're not welcome here.

Simple as that
Posted: Fri, 25th Jul 2008, 8:49am

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eloyneto wrote:

There are absolutly no professionals here. Bunch of hypocrits!!!
Actually, there are. I'm a professional Visual Effects Artist and my professional opinion is that this submission isn't a work of art though at the same time I'm aware that it isn't a serious attempt at being so.

The fxhome cinema is meant to be a showcase of peoples film making talents and efforts - and it's always really obvious when that effort has been made. It really doesn't matter where you live or who you are as I have seen very talented pieces of work arise from the lowest of places.

This kind of work belongs primarily on a site like youtube, a place where anything can be uploaded and shared - the primordial soup. Though FXhome is a film making site - so when you start film making and actually thinking a little bit more intelligently it will be the time to start submitting work here.

In the mean time, good luck. There's so much advice you can read both on this site and on the internet in general that it's really worth investing some time in educating yourself.

-Matt
Posted: Fri, 25th Jul 2008, 8:58am

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D3L3T10N wrote:


1. Why would you post your video on this site if you don't care what our opinions are?

3. Your clip may have been well accepted by your friends and family--they knew it for what it was: a bunch of kids swinging around replica lightsabers and having fun. They just want to encourage you to do more and take it even further. But the community here at Fxhome is different. This site is centered around filmmaking and its many nuances, and naturally, if you come into a community of filmmakers and present to us your film, we are going to be a little harsher with our criticisms than your friends and family who have no film experience.

[/D3]
3: Another vaild point here. What I tend to find is if your friends and family have no knowledge of how films are created and such as mine do, then they will just simply enjoy it and say it's "amazing" or "really good" or whatever seeing as they are trying to avoid hurting your feelings. Us however, if there's something worth reviewing then we may come across as harsh sometimes but you need to understand we are simply pushing you in the right direction.

3:3: Another vaild point here. What I tend to find is if your friends and family have no knowledge of how films are created and such as mine do, then they will just simply enjoy it and say it's "amazing" or "really good" or whatever seeing as they are trying to avoid hurting your feelings. Us however, if there's something worth reviewing then we may come across as harsh sometimes but you need to understand we are simply pushing you in the right direction.

As for your comment about you being poor in Brazil, that is no excuse as D3L3TI0N said. You don't need money to make a masterpiece. I could give you two tree sticks for a lightsabre, a curtain for a cape, boots, and a 50p pack of chewing gum and if you have the time and effort ready to be put into your work then you cna create anything for free!

There are absolutly no professionals here. Bunch of hypocrits!!!
There are actually...Hybrid-Halo, Er-no, Sollthar (He has a DVD in stores) and there are some more. So yeah, get to know us before you judge.

However I pretty much doubt you've read any of out long posts seeing as you come across as another youtuber who only likes short and argumentive posts.

-B3N

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Posted: Fri, 25th Jul 2008, 9:04am

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B3N wrote:

4: However I disagree, you don't need to be paid to be a professional. Although most of us don't consider outself professional there are movies in the cinema which have a professional quality, not because they paid or were paid to do it but simply because they can make art because they want to. Sure most of us see getting paid as becoming a proffesional but what about the freelancers? what about the volountary work?
A professional is someone that makes a living out of what they do, whether it's a professional builder, filmmaker, whatever. So to be a professional, you have to be paid/make a living from what you do.

That's not to say that non-professionals can't behave professionally, of course. On the FXhome Film Project, for example, everyone was working on a voluntary, unpaid basis due to its low budget. Nevertheless, they all behaved professionally.
Posted: Fri, 25th Jul 2008, 10:44pm

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I'm sorry! You are all right!!!!
I'm new to this and did not understand all movies putted here had to be evaluated or commented. It was my mistake, and i never intend to hurt anyone. I should not upload my movie here, it really should stayed to YouTube only. Regarding to the "Brazil thing" you have no idea how poor and unfortunate we are. We have a terrible government and a lazy people, perhaps that why you think we are lazy, but the story of this movie was a short clip filmed for entertainmente purposes only and we don't have time to edit as well because we have to worl a lot!

That all said, i'm trully sorry, probably because i misunderstand then spirit of the movie here!

You all have my apologies and continue to make the community grow!!!

Regards

Eloy Fonseca NEto
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I think it was more than a little juvenile to create a fxhomer account just so you could do nothing more than vote on my movie giving it a 1/5. Out of all the movies here, what a coincindence that this "fxhomer" would only vote on mine. Guess it has nothing to do with the fact that the only "film" that i have given low marks to was yours!! Hope it made you feel better 15 hours ago when you created the account! Grow up!!!
Posted: Sat, 26th Jul 2008, 7:33am

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This thread is great. Nobody gives a sh!t about the economic or governmental status of Brazil. And with that attitude, even when apologizing, nobody on here will give a sh!t about you. Now go call the waaaambulance, someone is being frank!
Posted: Sat, 26th Jul 2008, 7:41am

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Yeah...we've rode this thread hard, lets jump of and leave it be.
Posted: Sat, 26th Jul 2008, 8:50am

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Ah, the unavoidable minus one. A mere price to pay for the satisfaction of offering the same bluntness we were given. I think we all appreciate your apology man, but, at least for me, that doesnt make me immediately forget you told us to f-ck ourselves a few hours ago. Maybe its just me.
Posted: Sat, 26th Jul 2008, 8:52am

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Atom is famous for his abusive language, so it's fair to simply ignore him.

Thanks for the apology, I hope you mean it. We'll have to wait and see.
Posted: Sat, 26th Jul 2008, 4:13pm

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I was wrong! I admitted! I apologized! I meant!
I understand now, so let's just wait!
I promisse you all gonna be proud!
Posted: Sat, 26th Jul 2008, 7:10pm

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More like infamous, wouldnt you say, Sollthar? biggrin
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It funny how once in a while we'll have someone that gets mad at criticism.