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Posted: Wed, 20th Aug 2008, 1:44am

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I've been debating for a few weeks whether to updgrade my computer or upgrade my camcorder. I finally decided with the camcorder. I was hoping yall could give me some insight. My budget is around $1000.

After searching the forums for hours it looks like my best bet is to go with the Canon HV30 which I can get for $760 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16830120240
Although shooting HD and doing all of this conversion to different formats kind of frightens me.

Other people were saying that the Panasonic PV-GS500 was a good choice. http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/415307-REG/Panasonic_PVGS500_PV_GS500_3_CCD_Mini_DV.html

The main use I would have for the camera is making amateur/indie movies either to be put on DVD or put online.
I can extend my budget to more than that, but probably no more that $1500.

If you need any more info from me feel free to ask. I really appreciate the entire FXhome community.
Posted: Wed, 20th Aug 2008, 1:53am

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HV2O. NOTHING ELSE TO BE SAID. JUST DO IT.

and wait are you asking for help or giving advice?

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Posted: Wed, 20th Aug 2008, 1:55am

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Bolbi wrote:

HV2O. NOTHING ELSE TO BE SAID. JUST DO IT.
I agree. HV20, not HV30, they are essentially the same--unless you plan on shooting in 30p--but you can get the HV20 for nearly $300 less.
Posted: Wed, 20th Aug 2008, 1:58am

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Yeah go with the HV20, if you dont know the quality then you can watch this, or anything on my channel really.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUTRHRpY3VY

It was all shot on an HV20 and the quality is great if you watch in high quality.

and thats on youtube smile

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Posted: Wed, 20th Aug 2008, 1:58am

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I am asking for help. Yeah I have been looking at the HV20's, but they are hard to find now. I have been looking at them on ebay though.
Posted: Wed, 20th Aug 2008, 1:59am

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would it be possible to find a cheap GL2 for 1500?
Posted: Wed, 20th Aug 2008, 2:17am

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FE Filmmaker wrote:

would it be possible to find a cheap GL2 for 1500?
Used, yes. Brand New, probably not.

Back on topic, I would go with the HV20/HV30. I've never really got a chance to use the dang thing, but I've heard good things about it from both Fxhome and from friends.
Posted: Wed, 20th Aug 2008, 2:40am

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Would the quality be relativly the same on a SD TV set between the Panasonic PV-GS500 which is 1/4.7" 3CCD and the HV20 1/2.7" CMOS. I don't have a a particular need for HD footage, but if the quality is better on the HV20 than the PV-GS500 or something similar, I would want to get HV20.
Posted: Wed, 20th Aug 2008, 3:26am

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I've been looking on Ebay and I see some Canon XL1 and GL2s used for around $1000. Would those be worth investing in?
Posted: Wed, 20th Aug 2008, 3:29am

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where do you see GL2s for 1000? seriously post the link aha. and yeah a GL2 for a grand is sweeeett.
Posted: Wed, 20th Aug 2008, 3:34am

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http://cgi.ebay.com/Canon-GL2-Mini-DV-Camcorder-Extras-Mint-Condition_W0QQitemZ160272179501QQihZ006QQcategoryZ11724QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
http://cgi.ebay.com/Canon-GL2-Pro-Digital-Video-Camcorder-GL-2-NR-48802_W0QQitemZ350089292430QQihZ022QQcategoryZ11724QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

There are a few more, but you can search for yourself to find them.

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Posted: Wed, 20th Aug 2008, 3:38am

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ugh sometimes i hate living in Canada. I could buy these but I would have to pay CRAZY duty when it came over the border.......
Posted: Wed, 20th Aug 2008, 3:58am

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gulfy32 wrote:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Canon-GL2-Mini-DV-Camcorder-Extras-Mint-Condition_W0QQitemZ160272179501QQihZ006QQcategoryZ11724QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
http://cgi.ebay.com/Canon-GL2-Pro-Digital-Video-Camcorder-GL-2-NR-48802_W0QQitemZ350089292430QQihZ022QQcategoryZ11724QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

There are a few more, but you can search for yourself to find them.
WHAT ARE YOU WAITING FOR PUT IN A BID!

lol. I would get the first one and then use what ever I had left on a mic.
Posted: Wed, 20th Aug 2008, 4:17am

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Canon HV20. Don't think, just buy it.

I swear, if you pick any other camera for around $1,000 and you're a complete and utter fool.

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ugh sometimes i hate living in Canada.
Heh. Who could blame you. It's Canada. wink
Posted: Wed, 20th Aug 2008, 4:32am

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Atom wrote:

Don't think, just buy it.

Do not follow this advice when your considering: Marriage, Suicide, Watching "College Roadtrip", or eating crap.

Just thought I'd throw that out there. wink
Posted: Wed, 20th Aug 2008, 5:06am

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Atom wrote:

Canon HV20. Don't think, just buy it.
What about that GL2, Wouldn't you rather have a gl2 then an Hv20?
Posted: Wed, 20th Aug 2008, 5:23am

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Biblmac wrote:

Atom wrote:

Canon HV20. Don't think, just buy it.
What about that GL2, Wouldn't you rather have a gl2 then an Hv20?
Not especially. And certainly not if the GL2 is used. Who knows what condition it's in? At that price, I wouldn't expect much (but then again, who knows).
Posted: Wed, 20th Aug 2008, 5:55am

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A GL2 is the way the way to go if

1. You don't care about HD
2. Your willing to spend an extra thousand dollars for it
Posted: Wed, 20th Aug 2008, 7:58am

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Biblmac wrote:

Atom wrote:

Canon HV20. Don't think, just buy it.
What about that GL2, Wouldn't you rather have a gl2 then an Hv20?
No, I'd rather have a GL2. I own and frequently use my GL2. smile But for the $1,000 price range the GL2 is out, as I said in my previous post.
Posted: Wed, 20th Aug 2008, 1:14pm

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Would it be a better idea to wait a month or two, so I can afford something better than the HV20?
Posted: Wed, 20th Aug 2008, 1:34pm

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Up to you. Or you could wait a year to get an even better one...

Image quality wise, I've found my HV20 thrashes previous 3ccd SD cams I've used, and I've seen a side by side comparison with the Panasonic HVX200 (out of the bag, so no manual tuning) and it's looked as good. Manual settings aren't so good, e.g. it has a focus slider but I prefer a wheel.

Even shooting in non-HD mode with the HV20 looks nicer than 3ccd SD cams.

If you look around, some impressive-looking films have been done with 35mm adapters added to the HV20, but there's also this film done with just the HV20, nothing else apart from grading.
http://www.vimeo.com/1333375
Posted: Wed, 20th Aug 2008, 3:49pm

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Atom wrote:

Canon HV20. Don't think, just buy it.

I swear, if you pick any other camera for around $1,000 and you're a complete and utter fool.

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ugh sometimes i hate living in Canada.
Heh. Who could blame you. It's Canada. wink
Whats wrong with Canada? other than the fact that I have to pay extra money when I buy stuff from other countries? Have you ever been?
Posted: Wed, 20th Aug 2008, 11:52pm

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I have been searching the net for prices on the HV20 and HV30 and the cheapest HV20 I can find is about $650 new on ebay and the cheapest HV30 $750 new on newegg. Unless someone can find a better pricing, wouldn't it be better to just go with the HV30?
Posted: Thu, 21st Aug 2008, 12:54am

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I've heard people around this site say they've gotten one for around the $400 dollar range. (an HV20)
Posted: Thu, 21st Aug 2008, 1:47am

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HV20 JUST DO IT
Posted: Thu, 21st Aug 2008, 1:54am

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Where?
Posted: Thu, 21st Aug 2008, 2:21am

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I'm not quite sure, probably at one of the chain stores like Best Buy or Circuit City, provided you take advantage of their price matching policies.
Posted: Thu, 21st Aug 2008, 2:46am

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Whats wrong with Canada?
You answered your question with the fourth word in that sentence.

Have you ever been?
Yes, I have. It was cold, people talked funny, and no one seemed to understand what iced tea was. Therefore, I hate it. And by this point, if you haven't figured out I'm just messing with you, I give up.
Posted: Thu, 21st Aug 2008, 3:38pm

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Hey man, sometimes you just cant tell. I figured you were just joking around, but unfortunately there are a lot of people who would agree with what you were saying.
Posted: Thu, 21st Aug 2008, 7:19pm

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Any other suggestions for cameras that are non HDV?
Posted: Thu, 21st Aug 2008, 7:42pm

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gulfy32 wrote:

Any other suggestions for cameras that are non HDV?
PD150, PD170, XL2

Or further down the food chain, maybe an XM1?
Posted: Tue, 26th Aug 2008, 12:52am

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I just purchased the Canon HV-30 from Amazon!! I am now looking for filters and other accessories. Would it make sense to buy 58mm filters and a 43mm-58mm step up ring so the lenses will work if I ever upgrade my camera? Or just a 43mm-52mm. Which one is more popular, or will future proof me.
Posted: Tue, 26th Aug 2008, 1:46am

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Just buy step up rings when you upgrade your camera. Thread sizes vary so much from camera to camera, might as well wait and save the money.

pdrg wrote:

gulfy32 wrote:

Any other suggestions for cameras that are non HDV?
PD150, PD170, XL2

Or further down the food chain, maybe an XM1?
Do NOT get an XM1. I bought an XM1 a few years ago, but at this point it's outdated, any one you get will be used, and there will be no warranty. I ended up paying Canon $400 to repair mine, and that + the money I bought it for could have bought me a new XM2 with a teensy bit of saving. So if you are going to go into the 3CCD prosumer lower end range, get an XM2, or a step up: DVX100a/b. I know you already bought your camera, but this is for others.

Note: XM = PAL Canon GL
Posted: Tue, 26th Aug 2008, 1:54am

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Read my last post, I just purchased the HV30, heh.
Posted: Tue, 26th Aug 2008, 2:18am

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Read mine. All the words plz, heh.
Posted: Tue, 26th Aug 2008, 2:38am

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Haha, sorry about that.