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Posted: Wed, 24th Jul 2002, 7:51pm

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We all know that voting on the cinema is slightly tainted as the tests and regular vids are in the same group.

i suggest malone that you break the cinema up into:

Tests (45 seconds or less)
Scenes (45 sec to 2 min or somthing - for those testing out a particular scene they have)
Films(or some other name. 2 minutes or longer)

this would make many people feel better cuz if u vote 4 on a test, and 2 on a vid, the test will not necessarily be higher than the film, cuz its in a dif group.
Posted: Wed, 24th Jul 2002, 7:55pm

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Not a bad idea, but I think it would be too confusing. Plus, I had a movie that was only about 1:30. So there would need to be a 'short' category too. After time, I think things would become cumbersome. We should all just vote how we feel on the clip. If you liked it, vote high. I know I made that big spiel on how I vote tests lower, but that's because most tests aren't that 'cool' to me. If you come up with something I like, no matter what it is, I'll give it a higher score. I like the current system razz
Posted: Wed, 24th Jul 2002, 8:05pm

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i dont wink

heh, it's not bad...but it can be much, much better
Posted: Wed, 24th Jul 2002, 8:07pm

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I agree with Cyper. Sometimes I'm in the mood to see a full-movie short, but then once i download it, it's some crappy 3 second effects clip. I think this would definetly improve the cinema section.
Posted: Wed, 24th Jul 2002, 8:18pm

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I think a better way to browse thorugh the Cinema would be good as well, something a bit better than "search for movie title". Maybe genre? Listing by rating? Something a bit more than there is at the moment.
Posted: Wed, 24th Jul 2002, 8:22pm

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I agree with Cyper. Sometimes I'm in the mood to see a full-movie short, but then once i download it, it's some crappy 3 second effects clip. I think this would definetly improve the cinema section.
Don't you look and see how long the clip is? tard
Posted: Wed, 24th Jul 2002, 8:42pm

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Don't you realize i'm too lazy to see that stuff biggrin
Posted: Wed, 24th Jul 2002, 9:19pm

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By default, the cinema 'archive' is listed by ratings, we don't need that, and genre? Well, thats ALMOST what cypher is getting at, because it's not like we'd have a drama in the cinema section, or 'special interest' ( smile ), so the 3 categories he suggested basically cover that.
Posted: Wed, 24th Jul 2002, 9:32pm

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Well, if we are talking about genre's, that's a GREAT idea. But, splitting the voting, I don't think that'd be good at all. Plus, if a test is getting high scores because it's a 'test', then it could be ranked higher then a good movie. crazy
Posted: Thu, 25th Jul 2002, 2:12am

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no! genres aren't a good idea because about how many movies would be considered 'action' movies? every one!

unless it's sci-fi, fantasy, real-life killing, etc. . . actually that would work . . .. .
Posted: Thu, 25th Jul 2002, 2:14am

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But when I say genres, i'm talking searching only. I want the voting system to say EXACTLY how it is.
Posted: Thu, 25th Jul 2002, 3:17am

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i think of all people flip that you would want it changed.

seeing as how you almost automatically rate "tests" lower, simply because you are, even if you don't realize it, comparing to every other film on the cinema.
Posted: Thu, 25th Jul 2002, 3:21am

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No, read what I said again. I don't rate tests lower just for the hell of it, I rate tests lower because I'm usually not genuinley impressed. Most tests are just little lightsaber duels that last about 10 seconds. So I was sort of stereotyping tests in my 'score review' and that's my fault, I'll admit that. Like I said, if someone submits an inventive or *cool* test, then I willl rate it high.
Posted: Thu, 25th Jul 2002, 3:25am

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sure..........we don't believe you....that's okay.....nighty night.....
Posted: Thu, 25th Jul 2002, 8:52am

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check out

www.guygraphics.com

they have different sections, eg: home movies, trailers, shorts etc.

look in the streaming theater
Posted: Mon, 29th Jul 2002, 3:21am

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malone, so are you going to make the cinema into sections/categories/genres or whatever ppl call it?

I really think its unfair to have "tests" and completed works in the same category.
Posted: Mon, 29th Jul 2002, 3:33am

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No Cypher your wrong! Wrong I tell you!!!!111111 But seriously, I think your just over complicating things. There is no need to split tests into a seperate voting group then movies. Voting isn't that much of a large portion of the website. Wow that was worded a little hard. Meh, that wasn't any better smile Time to go to bed. razz
Posted: Mon, 29th Jul 2002, 3:53am

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ya flip, go to sleep, talk when ur "sober" or whatever it...is..that...you...you...who....not...much....sleep doesn't talk.....ok...and.....OWWWWWWWWWWWWWW


And flip, you forgot the GOLDEN RULE................ i'm always right
Posted: Mon, 5th Aug 2002, 11:23am

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The plan is to one day make the cinema section seperated into categories like the plugins section. Im not sure its worth seperating them by length, you can already see the running time, plus there has been some short films I wouldnt count as tests. I would probably decide on the category myself after seeing the content (same as the plugins).

The two types of movies that have been repeatedly requested to be seperated are test movies and starwars fanfilms. Im also keen to have a category for more violent/gory films so people can avoid them if they want. Other categories ive considered are; comedy, trailers, alamdv (for our own movies) and a couple of others ive forgotton smile

Movies would be able to be in multiple categories if appropriate. And Id make sure you could just view "all" movies for people that want to ignore the categories.
Posted: Mon, 5th Aug 2002, 11:41am

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how would that work for the top ten.

would you have say at no.1 the test

2. starwars film
3. blood & guts film
4. comedy.

I don't think a top ten for each different category.??
Posted: Mon, 5th Aug 2002, 12:43pm

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Actually, I think the idea of splitting wouldn't be too bad... The only question is what kind of cathegories you create... maybe it would be a good idea to just divide the cathegories again then... How about:

1 - Tests
for those little lightsaber thingies and other "i wanna try what alamDV can do" things.

2 - Short movies
All those movies that tell a story. Are at least try to tell a story...

3 - Shootouts / Battles
Meaning that there are lots of shootouts and... okay okay, I've done many of them but... is that a story? I don't really know... "A kills B" doesn't really sound like a story, does it? Thats why I think those Battles should get an own cathegory.

4 - Outtakes
There are some outtakes meaning "this is a short scene from a much bigger scene from a much bigger movie"... So there actually IS a story, but it's to long to be posted here... So that's the cathegory for outtakes.

5 - Trailers
There are quite a lot trailers in here. A trailer isn't really a short film and it's not really a test. So it deserves it's own cathegory...

6 - Restricted Area
For all the gory and other stuff that some should not see or maybe don't want to see... err... we don't have any AlamDV Porn movies yet, have we?


Hmm.. right... but what about the top10? Do you want to have a different Top10 for every cathegory? Would be kinda difficult... And who decides what cathegory the movies in? Maybe you should chose while submitting a movie and the people from CSB could check if it's okay before uploading...
Posted: Mon, 5th Aug 2002, 2:26pm

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finally, more people are inthusiastic (sp) about splitting up the cinema.

i think it really does need categories when malone has the time to code it.

the top10, that's gonna require thinking, but i don't think it shoujld be one top10...

how bout display the top3 of each category? and you can click on that category and it displays the rest etc...would that work?
Posted: Mon, 5th Aug 2002, 3:02pm

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i agree with Cypher.

but you could just have the two main ones thats causing all the talk

tests.

film.
Posted: Mon, 5th Aug 2002, 4:08pm

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As far as I'm concerned when I view ANY movie whether it be a test or
a full blown epic my judgments are based purely on what is on the screen at that time.....did I enjoy it etc.....was it worth the download and so on....
I don't think comparing movies in categories is the way forward.
After all movie making is an art form ( except mine) and there will never be two the same , therefore splitting up the selections is just unnecessary.
You film makers out there should just concentrate on making your
movies to the best of your abilities and if it is a TEST and good , you
will earn a good a set of points as you would if it was a good EPIC......if not so good then you wont..... regardless of category.
We do have a great example of this on the Cinema now.....do we not?
I've been slowly going through the movies and quite frankly to
compare one movie with another would be insulting to the film maker.
I just vote on what I see and feel etc.....

O/k you can all wake up now I'm finished.

THERE IS REAL TALENT OUT THERE...........ENJOY
Posted: Mon, 5th Aug 2002, 5:09pm

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davlin, may i say that if you liked a test, and gave it a 5, what would happen when the full film is on here.

what score would you give if you have given the highest for someone trying to work out what best for the full film?

just a thought.
Posted: Mon, 5th Aug 2002, 5:56pm

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Anonymous wrote:

davlin, may i say that if you liked a test, and gave it a 5, what would happen when the full film is on here.

what score would you give if you have given the highest for someone trying to work out what best for the full film?

just a thought.
If I enjoyed the "test" that much yes I would award 5 stars and
if the full version was viewed later on and I also enjoyed it to a similar
degree yes I would award 5 stars.
The stars we award should be based on what we enjoy..
Stars awarded are not currency they should be appreciation of
what u have watched.

Anyway thats the way I see it .......all food for thought I reckon.

Cheers. lol lol
Posted: Mon, 5th Aug 2002, 7:14pm

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Well, I'll never agree on splitting the voting up, if for some reason malone did decide to seperate the films into groups, I think they could be done in a funbox. Just like Top 10 Jedi, or 10 Newest Movies, you'd just have a funbox for Top 10 in a category. But that's a bad idea! Stay awaaaaaay! oink
Posted: Mon, 5th Aug 2002, 7:16pm

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...you're a bad idea...
Posted: Mon, 5th Aug 2002, 8:48pm

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Cypher wrote:

...you're a bad idea...
Haha!!! Simply hilarious lol Sorry, couldn't resist - that line just elicited a visceral response in me lol No offense, Hajiku_Flip!

Ok, on to business.

This whole argument reminds me of Miller's assertion that the "urge to classify is fundamental". On one hand, I agree with Cypher because, I for one, do tend to give "fx tests" lower scores (due largely to the fact that most of them require less effort). Dividing the submissions into categories will allow voters to grade each clip in the knowledge that the scores they assign are only relevant to that particular category in question.

On the other hand, I think the implementation of categories will require a 'shake-up' of the system. The Top-10 system will definitely have to change, as will the layout of the 'Cinema' page.

I feel that Cypher's intentions are honourable in that he's seeking to ensure that movie-makers get their due credit.

To classify or not to classify? I guess a poll is in order: do those who submit movies really take the ratings they get to heart?
If so, then a change should be effected. If the ratings are taken in good spirit (and with a pinch of salt), then things should remain as they are.
Posted: Mon, 5th Aug 2002, 8:53pm

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I for one, do tend to give "fx tests" lower scores (due largely to the fact that most of them require less effort).
Exactly. You just said it yourself, tests take less effort, therefore don't earn 4-5 star status (usually). So why make a seperate voting system just so people who make short little tests can recieve 5 stars too? It's just too much work with out enough payoff. I have a couple good analogys for that phrase.... smile
Posted: Mon, 5th Aug 2002, 9:36pm

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Flip....what has effort got to with it any way. I put loads of effort in my
films and the're usually crap.Other people can create a masterpiece
with virtually no effort at all.
We've all seen a 30 sec. commercial which is outstanding in cinematic
terms and then seen a 2hr. blockbuster on the big screen which was a
load of **** .So are we saying here that the blockbuster gets 5stars
because it took more effort and only say...3stars for the commercial
"TEST" because it was short and therefore less effort required.
If someone makes a 30sec film which is enjoyable to watch.....5stars.
If same person makes a 30minute epic which might drag on a bit.....3stars.
The film makers are not in the Olympics, it is not about medals, it's
about entertaining your audience.
OOOOPS...just fell off my high horse.......should have filmed it....5stars
More food for thought.......
Posted: Mon, 5th Aug 2002, 10:09pm

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Yeah, that is exactly why I said this:

tests take less effort, therefore don't earn 4-5 star status (usually).
There are a few rare gems that stand out, and they deserve higher scores, but making a whole seperate voting system just to accommodate the ones that don't earn high scores, is a waste of time. We give comments on those tests, and those are way more helpful then a star rating.
Posted: Tue, 6th Aug 2002, 12:42am

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Your quote hadn't gone unnoticed Kip.....but it does seem that people
are awarding points for a very wide range of reasons which can
cause confusion to everybody concerned.
Perhaps a way round this when voting could be to select from a list of remarks which may help in keeping things on one level
.

eg. "What did you think of the film you've just watched.....was it....

5.........Excellent

4.........Very good

3.........Good

2..........Average

1,,,,,,,,,,Poor

The remarks convert to stars as required.....

More food for thought......I promise that's my last on this subject.
lol lol lol