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Posted: Sun, 7th Sep 2008, 9:04pm

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I know this title has been posted a million times but this isn't the same " I need fake guns for my movie but can't find a place to get them." The problem I have is that where I live and in many places in the US it is illegal to have a gun in school. However I need to shoot at school. I have decided to get permission for it to actually shoot at the school rather than finding a place that looks like a school. I want a gun that has a clip that can be removed but can't actually shoot anything. I am not allowed to bring any guns that shoot something into the school, which eliminates air soft, or any air gun. I was looking at rubber guns, but I can't find one that will have a removable clip. Anyone have any ideas?
Posted: Sun, 7th Sep 2008, 9:07pm

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Have you explained to the school that all the guns shoot are harmless plastic BBs, and also that that fact is irrelevant because under no circumstances will you ever be in possession of any ammo on the school grounds? If that still doesn't sway them, you can always modify some of your airsoft guns or remove an important part so that the gun no longer shoots.
Posted: Sun, 7th Sep 2008, 9:12pm

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I will try that thank you D3l3t1on. The removing of the spring. That sounds like a good idea, thank you.
Posted: Mon, 8th Sep 2008, 4:51am

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Ok, are you allowed to use blank guns?? cause the ones i use have the barrell sealed, looks REAL, and shows some muzzle
Posted: Mon, 8th Sep 2008, 5:55am

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If you plan on shooting anything on school grounds using fake guns of any sort, BE CERTAIN to contact the local Police beforehand and make sure they are up to speed and on board with what you have going on. They may very well want to have someone on location while you are shooting, just as a precaution. In addition to obviously explaining everything to the school authorities, which it sounds like you had planned anyway.
Posted: Mon, 8th Sep 2008, 5:47pm

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Contact your city. They all have the rules you need to know to abide by.

As for what 'guns' to use - use the advice in this thread.

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Posted: Mon, 8th Sep 2008, 11:04pm

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Thanks Axeman. I didn't think it would be a big deal but now that I think about it, it could be. Thanks. Also once again thank you to Deletion. Oh and thanks for the info ED. Drugger I am student who doesn't want to spend a ton of money, seeing as they are like 100 bucks at least. However I may look into it anyway. Thank you all once again.
Posted: Mon, 8th Sep 2008, 11:50pm

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http://www.kapowwe.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=R&Category_Code=Airosft_spring_action
On this airsoft website, they have some really realistic airsoft spring pistols, to which you can remove the spring by pulling the top off.

To use it in school is going to be hard to accomplish to get it accepted. You need to remove the spring first and foremost. Then you need to inform the someone on the administrative staff about what your doing and that you won't have any of the bb's with you, along maybe with the authorities if the principle or whoever tells you to.
Posted: Wed, 10th Sep 2008, 2:08am

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There is absolutely no way my school would let me shoot there with guns. EVER. Did the school agree to it as long as it doesn't shoot anything, or are you just hoping that they'll let you do it?
Posted: Wed, 10th Sep 2008, 3:51am

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FE Filmmaker wrote:

There is absolutely no way my school would let me shoot there with guns. EVER. Did the school agree to it as long as it doesn't shoot anything, or are you just hoping that they'll let you do it?
Actually I asked them today, and they turned me down. So instead I am going to see if I can rent out the old school building in our town and use it.
Posted: Wed, 10th Sep 2008, 11:03am

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This is just a suggestion that I thought of just in case you can't rent it out. This is probably a last ditch thing, but its an idea.

You can take pictures of the shots you want with a good camera (with no flash to get even lighting) then chroma key your actors onto it.

If you REALLY want to get into that idea, you could even make a panorama in Photoshop or Gimp so you could have dynamic camera shots
Posted: Wed, 10th Sep 2008, 4:27pm

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First of all, bravo for going and asking about shooting there- never just "assume" someone will say no- that is thr first step in being a producer.

Secondly, bravo for finding an alternative! That is the second step in becoming a producer. Seeing if you can rent the old school building is a great idea!

Also remember that you can shoot establishing shots, exteriors, and other things elsewhere- for example, If I shoot an establishing exterior shot of Harvard University and then cut to an interior classroom in Columbus Ohio- it doesn't matter! In the mind of the viewer, we have established that this story is taking place at Harvard- an interior is an interior etc...

Good luck.
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Posted: Wed, 10th Sep 2008, 8:57pm

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Bryan M Block wrote:

If I shoot an establishing exterior shot of Harvard University and then cut to an interior classroom in Columbus Ohio- it doesn't matter! In the mind of the viewer, we have established that this story is taking place at Harvard- an interior is an interior etc...
or even better and cheaper. See if you can find stock footage. God bless stock footage. smile

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Posted: Wed, 10th Sep 2008, 11:15pm

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Well thanks Bryan, well if I can't get the old school for the amount of time I will need it, I will take photos or vids of it and chroma key. However I don't plan on trying that with our High School because my principle says he doesn't want the school to have anything to do with violence, more specifically school shootings, which is what the script is about.
Posted: Wed, 10th Sep 2008, 11:18pm

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Tell him that the name of the highschool doesn't have to show up. If you take pictures, you can edit the name out to whatever you want. If its a video, you can track the sign and replace it
Posted: Wed, 10th Sep 2008, 11:20pm

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Biblmac wrote:

Well thanks Bryan, well if I can't get the old school for the amount of time I will need it, I will take photos or vids of it and chroma key. However I don't plan on trying that with our High School because my principle says he doesn't want the school to have anything to do with violence, more specifically school shootings, which is what the script is about.
There are other options- you could try to find a local community college or some other place that just has a "room" you could rent or borrow and make it up to look like a school room, etc... Greenscreen and Chromakey are great tools, but there is a distinct advantage to shooting in the right environment. My question to you is "Is the film ANTI-school shootings?" If so, use that to convince the people (adults, as I assume you are still in school) that you are making an "Anti-violence" film and be willing to show them your script etc... _ if this is more of the "action movie" variety, you might want to keep that to yourself wink

Good luck
Posted: Wed, 10th Sep 2008, 11:24pm

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Bryan M Block wrote:

There are other options- you could try to find a local community college or some other place that just has a "room" you could rent or borrow and make it up to look like a school room, etc... Greenscreen and Chromakey are great tools, but there is a distinct advantage to shooting in the right environment. My question to you is "Is the film ANTI-school shootings?" If so, use that to convince the people (adults, as I assume you are still in school) that you are making an "Anti-violence" film and be willing to show them your script etc... _ if this is more of the "action movie" variety, you might want to keep that to yourself wink

Good luck
Wow, I am not psychotic enough to make a action movie about a school shooting, however this is like a reenactment awareness video. Kinda anti bullying, I did some research and like 75% of school shootings have been linked to bullying, so it is like an anti bullying type reenactment.
Posted: Fri, 12th Sep 2008, 8:10pm

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If you shoot video to compost into, make sure you keep a written list of the distances from camera to subject distances, and zoom angle. When you shoot the greenscreen shots duplicate the distances. If you don't the final compost could look strange, and you'll not be able to identify why.

An easy way to do this is to start the shots with a 12 inch ruler in frame in both shots, then adjust the composite so that the ruler images are the same size.
Posted: Fri, 12th Sep 2008, 8:18pm

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Biblmac wrote:


Wow, I am not psychotic enough to make a action movie about a school shooting, however this is like a reenactment awareness video. Kinda anti bullying, I did some research and like 75% of school shootings have been linked to bullying, so it is like an anti bullying type reenactment.
Making a movie about school shooting was actually an idea of mine but I decided not to go through with it because of all the angry reactions I could possibly get. (Yes, I am a big wuss.)
Posted: Fri, 12th Sep 2008, 10:02pm

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The Siege wrote:

Biblmac wrote:


Wow, I am not psychotic enough to make a action movie about a school shooting, however this is like a reenactment awareness video. Kinda anti bullying, I did some research and like 75% of school shootings have been linked to bullying, so it is like an anti bullying type reenactment.
Making a movie about school shooting was actually an idea of mine but I decided not to go through with it because of all the angry reactions I could possibly get. (Yes, I am a big wuss.)
I FEED OFF OF ANGRY REACTIONS!!! WAHAHAHA! Jk, anyway I figure a couple people will get mad, but a couple might actually see the point.
Posted: Sat, 13th Sep 2008, 4:04am

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yeah...i never thought of the Anti- Violence that can work...but you really should focus on where you shoot it and make sure noones really around you, because if someone sees it theyre gonna freak so idk warn them say like we have a shooting scene so ladilala...just be careful.
Posted: Sat, 13th Sep 2008, 4:22am

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JasonX1024 wrote:

yeah...i never thought of the Anti- Violence that can work...but you really should focus on where you shoot it and make sure noones really around you, because if someone sees it theyre gonna freak so idk warn them say like we have a shooting scene so ladilala...just be careful.
Ya I figure if I notify the police and there is an officer there then there won't be a problem.
Posted: Sat, 13th Sep 2008, 8:00pm

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well. i live in NY and no Officer gives a shit about a movie they are doing real stuff like murders they wouldnt waste time with that stuff up here,
Posted: Sat, 13th Sep 2008, 8:45pm

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JasonX1024 wrote:

well. i live in NY and no Officer gives a poo about a movie they are doing real stuff like murders they wouldnt waste time with that stuff up here,
Well I don't live in nearly an area of such high crime. I live in Montana, that can explain everything, lol.
Posted: Fri, 19th Sep 2008, 9:11pm

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for fake guns if you dont get to good of a look of the gun just get a cheap plastic gun of anything and spraypaint it black or something thats what i do
Posted: Sat, 20th Sep 2008, 2:41am

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prokidsfilms wrote:

for fake guns if you dont get to good of a look of the gun just get a cheap plastic gun of anything and spraypaint it black or something thats what i do
Thanks, it looks like I will use my brother's air soft that he took the tip off of.
Posted: Sat, 20th Sep 2008, 11:19am

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Will you need to pay a cop?