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The Dark Knight Returns -Atomic's New Batman Movie

Posted: Mon, 29th Sep 2008, 9:21am

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While this spends time processing in the cinema (which seems, surprisingly, to have been backed up for a while), I felt I couldn't keep my fellow FXHomers from it any longer, especially as many more of them view it on Facebook and YouTube and several have asked me about my fancy little sig. smile Accordingly, I present



The Dark Knight Returns
An Atomic Production
Download/View it here.

As the Joker escapes from the notorious Arkham Asylum, he is encountered by an old enemy. Shot in about 12 hours after the conceptualization and script-treatment of an idea from just hours earlier than that, The Dark Knight Returns is Atomic Productions fun little send-off movie for each of its key crew members just days before we all split for college.

We hope you enjoy it!
Posted: Mon, 29th Sep 2008, 9:36am

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This looks great! I'll watch it at lunchtime and give you a review smile

Can't wait!

Cheers,
Arktic.
Posted: Mon, 29th Sep 2008, 9:43am

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There's also three different formats linked over at my blog if anyone's interested. Also, if you view the YouTube copy, be sure to comment/rate - we're looking for it to go (at least semi-) viral. biggrin
Posted: Mon, 29th Sep 2008, 3:54pm

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This really turned out great guys. Good work. I was glad to be a part of it. I had a ton of fun playing Batman, it was really cool. Good work all the way around.
Posted: Mon, 29th Sep 2008, 3:58pm

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I like the image in the signature - which is the last shot. Well lit, well stylised, well acted and well shot.

The film itself though was a mixed bag for me. The makeup looked good from certain angles, but rather obviously stuck on from others, which was a shame. I found the editing to be rather sloppy - jumpcuts all over and often unnecessary cuts that seemed to be there for no apparent storytelling reason. Might be a bit motivated by the fact that, the film doesn't really tell much of a story either, so there was little to be had in there.
Some of the acting was decent and the hommage was nice and obvious - especially in the portrayal of batman. Though I wasn't sure wheter that was a satire or an honest homage, which is pich perfect though, as that's the same feeling I got from the actual movies. smile
The lighting was again ranging from absolutely excellent to not-really.

All in all an amusing little test.
Posted: Mon, 29th Sep 2008, 4:11pm

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First off-
congrats guys. Lots to be proud of.

Can I just put in a plug for something called the "insert shot"?

It seems with all of the floaty-cam cinematography eveyone has been raised on, simple narrative bits get left out, like the use of different camera angles and shots. Things get lost because everything is in a medium wide shot, lots of jump cuts, and then "natural transitions" that just don't work.

The actor that played the Joker was good. It looks like you guys had fun.
Posted: Mon, 29th Sep 2008, 4:39pm

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Unfortunately I didn't really enjoy this movie. A main issue was the opening 2 minutes or so which didn't set up any intrigue, etc. The film, in my opinion, also felt quite pretentious and for me lacked the 'fun' element so many of the fan films embrace.

Some of the lighting was quite well done and it seems your actors got stuck into their respective roles. Kudos always for getting out there and making something.

Good luck with your next venture

Mantra
Posted: Mon, 29th Sep 2008, 5:02pm

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I really liked this as a short, fun, project. Anyone expecting otherwise would be disappointed. But I loved it for what it was. Some shot were too dark though which made it difficult to see the part where the Joker stabs Batman (he stabs him? Right?). The final shot with the Joker in the van was awesome.
Posted: Mon, 29th Sep 2008, 5:26pm

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Sollthar wrote:

I found the editing to be rather sloppy - jumpcuts all over and often unnecessary cuts that seemed to be there for no apparent storytelling reason. Might be a bit motivated by the fact that, the film doesn't really tell much of a story either, so there was little to be had in there.
Ouch and double-ouch. smile

Could you (And Bryan I think mentioned it too) describe to me by what you mean when you're saying 'jumpcut'. To me it means an intentional cut in action to a few seconds or minutes ahead for pacing reasons. But I, at least not on purpose, didn't put any jumpcuts in this movie the way I have in, well, every other movie we've made. Clarification there would help me out. smile

It's also always good to know our actors hit the Clint-Eastwood-Bear-Growl-Voice the right way, too. Unintentionally humorous or not. smile We have all been pretty surprised that Batman's voice has been touched on so much for it's pitch perfect-ness to Bale's version. Really, it was a pretty on-the-spot 'what kinda Batman can you do/do you want to do?' and Ben (another Ben, our Batman actor) pretty much hit the mark exactly. So did Samuel (the Joker actor), I thought, which surprises me you didn't like/didn't feel the acting was a stronger point, Sollthar.

Obviously, yeah, this was just a little homage/test/fun movie we all did days before we all split off; but for never having worked with the actors before, I must say I myself was very, very impressed with what each person came up with for their character and their delivery. I'm not trying to be prideful here, I was really excited with how the acting came out.

Oh, and it is a shame the makeup looks so terrific in some shots and not-so-much in others. So is the woe of sweat, heat, and hours of shooting; even with more sticky-putty and white makeup re-applied. smile
The lighting was again ranging from absolutely excellent to not-really.

All in all, thanks guys! Mantra, I'm sorry it wasn't to your tastes and appeared pretentious. I'll tell you, that wasn't our intention. Perhaps the 'fun' element you're looking for that other fanfilms have is really the 'wildcard, amateur fanatic' element. One we don't want to embrace. (And that's also discounting the fact that sometimes it is our intention smile)

Also, sorry this took so long to get back out for your viewing pleasure, haha, I haven't had proper broadband internet for a while here in college until just recently.
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I mean "jumpcut" as in cutting from a shot to another, almost similar shot (in terms of angle or shot range) where an unnatural "jump" is visible to the fact that the shots are either framed too similarly or, as you said, jump forward in time.

In this example, I was meaning the first version. Cuts between two shots that are simply too similar in framing (cut from a medium shot to a pretty-much-medium shot). Reading brians post I'd say this feeling was enforced by the fact the chosen camera angles didn't have much variety in them, hence the editing hurts in some places. Strengthened by the fact some cuts seemed unnecessary to me, as the new shot didn't give us any new information.

I think of cuts like full stops in a sentence. Too many of them. make. things. read. weird. and too little of them make the sentence also look a bit odd like this one yeah.

Hope that helped
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FreshMentos wrote:

I really liked this as a short, fun, project. Anyone expecting otherwise would be disappointed.
Short yes, but I'm lost on the fun. I really like how the movie looked, grading etc I know is something you guys are always very proud of. The story/content of the film for me though lacked and I found myself closing down half way through.

It was shot in a short time so I guess I shouldn't have expected more. Thinking about it I remember the film being mention alot around the forums so maybe I over-hyped it from that.

It's all good practise though eh! biggrin Hope to have you guys back on the same subject with more time available and seeing what you can pull out of the bag.

Edit - I'd also like to agree that the batman voice is spot on, but I especially loved the pouting razz
Posted: Mon, 29th Sep 2008, 7:44pm

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I quite enjoyed this!

I think that one of the strongest points was definitely the acting - the Batman voice was spot on, and the tone and inflection were great. Sam did a pretty good homage to Ledger, too - though I would have liked to seem him a little more edgy and maniacal.

The lighting and grading were nice too; though I felt it was a little *too* dark in places. I think you need to just up your kicklight/bounce a little so that you can just make out a few more definitions in the darkness.

Whilst you know that I usually take issue with your cinematography being *too* shakey, there were only a few times in this that I thought that the camera was moving too much (notably the shot where the camera crabs L-R behind the two characters, and Batman's head obscures the joker for a few seconds; this shot felt poorly composed against some of the others). That said, I would have toned down the shake a little bit, but at the end of the day, it's your film and it's your style. I also think that you really conveyed the sense of claustrophobia very well, so well done on that front.

The editing, however, I felt was a little poorer than usual. On the whole, it was very good, but there were LOTS of line crosses and jump cuts that, whilst I appreciate were probably there to add to the sense of unease, were just a little too jarring for me. I know that, as with the camera shake, that's the style you guys go for - but in this instance, it just didn't quite sit right with me.

Overall though, I think you really captured a great tone to the piece, and you directed the actors very well indeed. Like Bryan says, lots to be proud of!

Cheers,
Arktic.
Posted: Mon, 29th Sep 2008, 7:52pm

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Thanks, Arktic! One thing to note, something I was a little uneasy about and something unavoidable in the editing- was that Chase and Ben both tried something slightly different with this project as far as cinematography goes, experimented a little even.

And, as any editor would know, this is tricky; because you've gotta weigh continuity with the best takes with the overall best orchestration of the shot itself. In the case of this movie, it included crossing the line a few times and one clear discontinuous, unavoidable jumpcut. In the editing, I just went with it. Somewhat because the 'feel' afforded the opportunity to do something a little different, somewhat because the camerawork was a little more random and crazy than other instances, and somewhat just because this was a carefree, fun little parting-of-ways-project.

You have to remember, we've built ourselves a 'style' by many people's accounts. I'm trying to keep this movie consistent enough with our other work, but original and capturing the right 'feel' as best as possible. If there's one thing to a movie Ben and I like to really nail it's the feel of it all. And that doesn't just come in adding green over-the-top grading with us. (As I'm sure many people think. smile) Still, it's a little saddening to hear the resounding flaw is something you, yourself did. (The editing, of course. smile)

Although direction was fun for this. Hell, everything was fun with this project. Especially when we could go from me calling Chase with the idea the night before, us laughing about it, drawing up a fun little script (which I'm surprised no one's really commented on the writing/dialogue yet), and pushing it straight into production with as high production values as possible in about half a day.

Crazy how slow yet fast things in filmmaking can go when you're motivated and have a realistic concept of time.
Posted: Mon, 29th Sep 2008, 8:08pm

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Yeah, I think that it's clear that this is a concept piece where you've tried new things out - and it's clear that you've had a lot of fun, which is always the point!
Posted: Mon, 29th Sep 2008, 10:18pm

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that was a cool movie good work! where did you get that music from and what was it called
Posted: Mon, 29th Sep 2008, 10:56pm

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I posted my thoughts on youtube, but the comment seemed to have been deleted... hmmm...

I'll repost what I liked and didn't like later tonight. Good job, though.
Posted: Mon, 29th Sep 2008, 11:17pm

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Thanks for mentioning the dialogue, Atom, I had completely forgotten about it. Yes, I think this is where this film shined most, alongside the acting, probably.

I rewatched the film in an attempt to catch those bad jump cuts and yes, I did find them--but I actually like them a lot. biggrin Generally-speaking: Good job, definitely, I enjoyed this a lot (not having even seen TDK).

EDIT: Watching it again, and I wanted to add that I absolutely love the delivery of Every. Single. Line. in this movie. Pure awesome.
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Thanks for all the compliments on the Batman voice guys! I appreciate it, and shall try not to let it go to my head. Just Kidding, in all honesty though, the direction from Ben and Andrew was fabulous, and made it a very fun and easy suit... well besides sweating it out in a car suit for 6 hours under lights!
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prokidsfilms wrote:

that was a cool movie good work! where did you get that music from and what was it called
It's the Batman theme song. The new Batman theme song as heard in Batman Begins and The Dark Knight. So I guess the name is "Batman theme song"
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I thought the make up was great. I did kind of see what the comment up top was talking about, with the unneeded cuts. Over all it was awesome. THe only thing I did not like was is how the joker described evil. Something about some of his lines bothered me. Even so like I said it was great.
Posted: Tue, 30th Sep 2008, 1:15am

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Do you have to have seen the dark knight movie to understand this?
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No, its a separate story somewhat based on the characters
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Glad most like the movie!
For the comments on the editing and excess cuts, that's largely my fault - Chase (co-DP) and myself were constantly moving lights around (intention was to overshadow Batman most of the time, illuminated with only a bright rimlight, being that his costume was sort of homemade; but to keep the Joker in relatively medium-contrast lighting)- and this led to a few resets with angle and framing that made the 'flow' of the camerawork and cuts less natural.

It was honestly all about getting the performance on tape in an angle that was suitable, and that required crossing the line a few times. Andrew basically had to cut more than often to help ease the crossing of the line (I foresaw these issues when filming, heh) during the best acting bits.

This was purely a fun movie, quite obviously. Sorry if it seems pretentious or showy, we just made it to have fun and because we figured others would appreciate it. We hear all the time that our style is unique/cool, and almost everyone loves Batman, so.......we were just doing what we always do: looking to entertain people. If you weren't entertained, our apologies. But honestly, would you rather not see another Batman fanfilm? biggrin I remember how much I freaked when 'Grayson' came out with a trailer, this is sort of an homage to filmmaking in that vein.

EDIT:

Bryan M. Block wrote:

It seems with all of the floaty-cam cinematography eveyone has been raised on, simple narrative bits get left out, like the use of different camera angles and shots. Things get lost because everything is in a medium wide shot
Understand completely what you're saying!

One issue with where we shot is that the place itself was very confining: not a lot of space to move. When I can get them, I'm a huge fan of long establishing shots and medium two-shots (this is all of 'Marathon' pretty much); but in here there just literally wasn't enough room (at least as far as I can remember). If I zoomed out, I supposed you'd see an Arri 600w about 5 feet from us all! biggrin
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Well after i finished purchasing my new domain i decided what the heck ill give the film a try and i must say it was outrageous...ly AWESOME!! Keep up the good work guys!
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You should make another batman film and use your unique style to recreate Harley Quin. I know she has not been "made" so it will be from your own imagination but I think with your style it would be amazing.
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Very nice, guys. The dialog could have been polished a tad more, but it worked well. The lighting was weird, as has been previously stated, but some of it was effective. I'd like to see a larger fanfilm, maybe with this exchange as the core of it. A little bit more of a hook at the beginning would have been nice, too.
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I think my problem with the editing is more that I would prefer a variety of shots to illustrate a scene- In most films, a shot doesn't last more than 5 seconds and insert shots would help alot to illustrate what is going on. It is the lack of variety of shots and lack of inserts that always make things seem "low budget" or less than professional to me.
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Hmm, I didn't really enjoy this compared to your more original shorts.

The look was solid but overly harsh (could just be the internet version). The grading could have done with some more subtlety but I don't know what the original footage looked like so maybe that wasn't possible. Still, overall it was slick and professional like all your work these days.

By the time I got to the end I found that I was rather bored by the dialogue. This is quite unlike The Dark Knight itself where I couldn't wait to hear what the joker would say next...

I didn't like the Jokers performance either... slowly picking items up off the shelf then carefully putting them back where he got them... It just felt wrong to me and didn't capture the uneasiness I wanted to feel when the Joker is on screen.

I'm glad you're getting many positive comments about this short but I do expect a lot from you guys now. After all, with great skill comes great responsibility... I feel with the skills you guys have this could have been more entertaining.
Posted: Tue, 30th Sep 2008, 8:24pm

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Bryan M Block wrote:

I think my problem with the editing is more that I would prefer a variety of shots to illustrate a scene- In most films, a shot doesn't last more than 5 seconds and insert shots would help alot to illustrate what is going on. It is the lack of variety of shots and lack of inserts that always make things seem "low budget" or less than professional to me.
Hmmm, I see what you're saying. It's a point I won't get much into as Ben touched on it earlier. It's mixture of trying to hit the right 'feel' of the scene, the confinement of the space and lighting, and error itself- sometimes it strikes the right chord with people, sometimes it doesn't. Sorry the latter was true for you. smile

The Strider wrote:

Very nice, guys. The dialog could have been polished a tad more, but it worked well. The lighting was weird, as has been previously stated, but some of it was effective. I'd like to see a larger fanfilm, maybe with this exchange as the core of it. A little bit more of a hook at the beginning would have been nice, too.
Sorry to say it's not likely this movie will be expanded. It was meant as a fun little test project before we all left, really, nothing serious. (Although we meant and like it to play as a 'serious' movie and not simply a spoofish thing smile)

schwar wrote:

Still, overall it was slick and professional like all your work these days.
As always, of couse. biggrin

By the time I got to the end I found that I was rather bored by the dialogue. This is quite unlike The Dark Knight itself where I couldn't wait to hear what the joker would say next...
Well, I apologize for that. Still, the dialogue of The Dark Knight is a hard thing to follow. If you were expecting/comparing this directly to that, I think you were expecting too much. smile

Still, I must say I'm slightly disappointed by some of the comments on the dialogue. I tried to make it sharp and have a distinct likeness to both The Dark Knight and a little bit of Burton's original Joker. (As it states in the end of the film, it's an 'amalgamation'; nothing's supposed to be directly comparable to a single movie.)

To give a little bit of history on the project, even though it only lasted maybe two days tops (smile), and how our Joker came to be the character he is: In the beginning of the creation of the project/idea, I had planned to have Chase as Batman and Brian as the Joker. But when we didn't get contact of Brian, we switched Chase to the Joker and started playing around with ideas and lines he could say, him practicing them. It was at this point when we thought-up the lead person for Batman (who I was very pleased with, the voice in particular) and decided it would be better to have someone different for the Joker as well. Chase immediately jumped on the chance to use Samuel (the final casting choice) for the role. I was excited about it, because I've seen some of the range of work he's done on stage and in Chase's little movie on here, Detention. Which leads me to this comment:

I didn't like the Jokers performance either... slowly picking items up off the shelf then carefully putting them back where he got them... It just felt wrong to me and didn't capture the uneasiness I wanted to feel when the Joker is on screen.
Once again, sad to hear. I can't refute your opinion/tastes, obviously, but maybe some response could help justify the character. As I've said before, this isn't Heath Ledger, it never was meant to be. We knew trying to directly emulate that performance would look silly or just plain bad, even if we nailed it. So instead we went with what Samuel did, what he wanted out of it; and I personally really liked what that was. A more sleek, cool, and perhaps angered Joker. Not as unreadable and maniacal as Ledger's, not as low key and suave as Nicholson's. Rather, somewhere right in the middle. I think we hit it perfectly. That's why his actions, mannerisms, etc. are the way they are. At least, I'd like to think so. smile

And if anything, I'm the most impressed with the character simply for how unlike in look and sound it is to the actual actor. (Much of the reason Ledger's Joker impressed me.) But I guess you'd have to see him otherwise to get that impression.

I'm glad you're getting many positive comments about this short but I do expect a lot from you guys now. After all, with great skill comes great responsibility... I feel with the skills you guys have this could have been more entertaining.
Heh. I'd say this is perhaps some of the worst wave of comments we've gotten in a while, schwar. I love the cheesy little Spiderman tie-in, though. smile
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Man, I really wanted to like this but it fell short for me. I really liked some of the lighting in this but as others have mentioned, its terribly dark in some places (ie - I wouldn't have known that was supposed to be the Bat Symbol in the sky, had I not seen someone say something about it earlier).

I completely agree with Sollthar with the jumpcuts as well. The cut did look weird because the shots were so similar. A quick way to fix that is take one of the shots that look similar and just blow it up. Make it seem like a shot thats closer-up or an insert, instead of an awkward jumpcut.

In terms of story, it just seemed to go by pretty quick and kinda pointless. Joker escapes the Asylum (which I'm sure took some effort) and he ends up back in jail in a few minutes confused. I know you guys were going for your own style of joker but ya can't dumb down his knowledge. The Joker is smart, I think he would have thought out the escape and situation a little better than that. I dunno.

Batman was great except for two things. NEEDS black eyeliner under his mask, it looks funny w/o it. And the look on the Batman actors face at 03:51 and so on when he's walking towards Joker looked different. Almost as if he was making a "kissy"/"I just ate something bitter" face ha. I think he was trying just a little too hard on his "mean face", is all. Small gripe but it took me out of it a little.

The Joker's acting was good but it still didn't seem "Jokery". I understand you saying that you wanted your own spin on things but the Joker came off more as a regular guy with make up. The actors style seemed better fit for a Riddler type character. Dialog was on point though. It definitely had the "Nolan feel" to it but it really didn't offer any more development then what was already said in The Dark Knight. It's kinda like having roughly the same conversation in two diff movies/scenes, if that makes sense.

Overall I'd give it a 3/5. Unfortunately I'd say it falls at the bottom of all of your other dramas IMO. It wasn't horrible by any means but it definitely wasn't as good as your other productions. It would have been cool if Joker didn't get captured at the end and he got away.

Wow, that was a long post... Makes sense though, it was dealing with my favorite genre ha.
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Hey all, thanks again for the comments and criticisms!

Chris, just FYI, Batman has tons of black greasepaint under his mask, the heavier lighting just obscures it. Otherwise, especially in the 'that's what separates us' bit, you'd see his flesh tones a lot more clearly.
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ben3308 wrote:

Hey all, thanks again for the comments and criticisms!

Chris, just FYI, Batman has tons of black greasepaint under his mask, the heavier lighting just obscures it. Otherwise, especially in the 'that's what separates us' bit, you'd see his flesh tones a lot more clearly.
Yeah I can see that. I'm mainly talking about the first time you see Batman talk. You see his flesh tones pretty well in that shot. Maybe you added more midway through the shoot?
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Weird, man, I just noticed that now that you point it out. That was really early in the shoot, so I don't think the makeup had melted off a lot yet. I suppose it's still just the really direct lighting, which we altered as we went on. Anyhow, thanks for the crits.

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Yeah, going through again I'm afraid it's just the lighting (my gaffing mistake!) and the fact that the black makeup is sort of reflective, giving off a greyish skin look. This would obviously be something to avoid in the future, permitting we do another superhero movie (which, from the comments here, I don't think we'll try again, it seems to sort of.....'offend' some)

But like I said, thanks for pointing that out, I hadn't noticed earlier.
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Sorry to bump, but we're probably going to release a behind-the-scenes (along with a new demo reel?) in the next two days, if anyone's interested.

It should make it obvious that this was a quick test project and not any huge undertaking by any, any means. Equate this to our 2:30am skit, not to our larger projects. biggrin
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How did you get the opening crane shot?
Subtle but gorgeous. I didn't even mind the slight acknowledgment of the camera by the Joker, it worked.
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Thanks, man. We used an Advanta-Jib crane to get the shot, and kinda meant for him to look at the camera as if it were the batsignal. Kind of a bold thing to do, having him acknowledge the camera slightly; but yeah like you said we think it worked.
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I have to say I really enjoyed it. You guys did a good job in my perspective. You really captured the "Dark Knight" feel to me anyway. I did think the makeup on the joker was rather sloppy, and I don't mean it looked sloppy because that would be good, but the 'scars' part looked like it had just been thrown on there, it looked like the part near his mouth was coming off near the end which I didn't like. I did notice in the beginning the 'scars' didn't fit the mouth exactly but that is just a detail. Anyway other than that it was very well done. Enjoyed the end very much.
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Thanks, man.

Yeah, the makeup was a tricky thing. Probably, although you'd likely never know or notice, the thing that took the longest and we/I worked on most-frequently throughout the production. We bought lots of greasepaint and spirit gum to attach the scars, which we tried our best to cut and tailor to the sides of Samuel's lips.

Personally, I really liked the look it gave off, although I'm aware they began to peel more and more near the end. (We, for the most part, shot in sequence.) I added more and more sticky spirit gum and re-applied makeup throughout the night of the shoot, but general wear-and-tear and sweat are just sometimes unavoidable; as I'm sure many people know. Still, I wanted something substantial and cool-looking, more than the simple 'lipstick going up the side of the face' many of the YouTube videos have.

In fact, in the first -slightly longer- draft of the script, Joker explains how the inmates cut open his smile during his time in Arkham. This was later cut out, as there wasn't the screentime or production time to really explain or go into depth about it, but we left the bloodied, cut-open look in there to keep the ominous 'feel' of the movie and give it a more original, more professional look.

But I know what you're saying. I'm a little disappointed that, even with effort put into maintaining the look of the scars, they peel near the end of the video.
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The whole thing in ours is that they aren't scars, but re-opened cuts. I understand the prosthetics peel up, but initially the whole openness of them is for a reason... wink
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Really? I found those prosthetics to be distracting...Good cover up though. wink

I'm going to keep this short, because most of my thoughts have already been voiced, but like schwar said, very professional as always.

I didn't realize how literal your sig was. He's back. Atomic style. Really rained true. Going into this, because of your sig, I naturally thought this was a spoof. So from the beginning until the first 20 seconds of dialogue I was thinking to myself "man this is a really bad spoof." Then I realize that isn't wasn't intended to be and got myself "on track" with it. Note, its not because of bad directing that I had that mix up, I guess you could blame it on bad marketing?

Anyways, even it not being a spoof the phrase "he's back. Atomic style" is still very accurate. This whole movie yells atomic. From the camera angles, to the editing, to the dialogue. (which mind you, I'm not saying is a bad thing.)

I don't quite think that you nailed the joker. Of course, I would be completely willing to admit that my sourness to your joker could be the result of it not living up to Ledgers Joker, which I know isn't fair...but I can't help it. biggrin

The tension in this was very atomicy, mainly because of the dialogue that went back and forth between Batman and The Joker made me feel like I was watching a remake of one of your other movies.

Simply put, is this a good Atomic movie? Yes. Is it a good Batman movie? Not so much. Which is really how I felt when I was watching this, I felt like Batman was adapted to atomic's world rather than vice versa, and I was looking for the latter unfortunately.
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*bump*

Just kidding, but thanks ssjohn for the in-depth review, always appreciated. I suppose I can see what you mean as far as us adapting Batman to our style, and not vice-versa. In our case, at least, that was entirely the point: to take our skillset and apply it to something a broader audience enjoyed.

Of course with these type of things you risk alienating and disenchanting hardcore genre fans (in this case people like CX3, et al) but I think for us, at least, a lot of people like watching Batman and a lot of people like watching our stuff; and this is a pretty decent middle-ground.

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mainly because of the dialogue that went back and forth between Batman and The Joker made me feel like I was watching a remake of one of your other movies.
This is strange, I guess, mostly because we've never really had any large dialogue exchanges in our films. Action/tension/monologue-a-plenty, but not much dialogue. Unless you're referring to Splinter Cell? (In which case, yes, there's LOTS of similar word jousting) biggrin
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ben3308 wrote:

*bump*

Just kidding, but thanks ssjohn for the in-depth review, always appreciated. I suppose I can see what you mean as far as us adapting Batman to our style, and not vice-versa. In our case, at least, that was entirely the point: to take our skillset and apply it to something a broader audience enjoyed.

Of course with these type of things you risk alienating and disenchanting hardcore genre fans (in this case people like CX3, et al) but I think for us, at least, a lot of people like watching Batman and a lot of people like watching our stuff; and this is a pretty decent middle-ground.
Agreed, and that's what I meant when I said this is a good Atomic movie and not such a good Batman movie. If this was the approach you were taking then you did well my friend.

ssj john wrote:

mainly because of the dialogue that went back and forth between Batman and The Joker made me feel like I was watching a remake of one of your other movies.
This is strange, I guess, mostly because we've never really had any large dialogue exchanges in our films. Action/tension/monologue-a-plenty, but not much dialogue. Unless you're referring to Splinter Cell? (In which case, yes, there's LOTS of similar word jousting) biggrin
I wish I was referring to splinter cell.... evil No I was more thinking of redemption, which was a giant monologue. The dialogue back and forth seemed to try to mimick the "batman" style while having an "atomic" feel too it. Which like I said, if you weren't trying to break out of your style in any huge way, and rather; were trying to give it your own adaption, then no harm to you, in fact I'd say your marketing was spot on, even though that goes completely against what I said earlier. But that's because I was being stupid.

Don't get me wrong, I love thee "atomic" style. But you can only eat so many glazed doughnuts before you want something else. (bad bad analogy I know....) But do you see what I mean? Your style is good and you should stick to it, but make take some chances on incorparating different ideas and styles into on your style. Tweak your style a little bit here and there and let it evolve. Maybe this is where your heading with Madison street boys, if its still in production.......
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Look forward to the (along with a new demo reel?)