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XHA1 Or XL2?

Posted: Wed, 1st Oct 2008, 1:24am

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Okay I know this topic is going to be greatly discussed but in your opinions (XHA1 Owners) what camera do you think is better. The Canon XL2 or the XHA1. At my school we use an XL2 and a Rode NTG-2 (which are amazing by the way). Both cameras have their ups and downs, but if I pay that much money I want to be completely satisfied. Please give me your opinions on the XHA1 because I work with the XL2 a lot and I personally love it. But I love HD even more. So can you guys give me any problems that you've with the XHA1 and tell me how much you love it. Thanks guys, you've been a big help! smile
Posted: Wed, 1st Oct 2008, 1:45am

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Get some experience using either camera and see which one works for you.

They both have their strengths and I think that both produce great images. Honestly, I think even with experience with both rigs, I like the image the XL2 puts out better, but if HD is important to you then the XHA1 should be a no-brainer.

Either way, getting ANYTHING out of these cameras requires an in-depth skill and articulation with their settings. You will not, I repeat WILL NOT get a good image if you don't know what you're doing. I've been here before, not knowing what camera to buy or how much to spend. Three years ago, I was between the GL2 and the XL1s.

I got the GL2, and while it was cheaper and less feature-laden, it was the right camera for me to understand the controls and gain my skills. It wasn't because I was forced to use worse materials, rather, it was the appropriate step up that unlocked my potential with cinematography. Because I learned with a device that had the right manual settings and features at the right price, I am able to pick up most any prosumer/professional digital rig and use and understand its operation.

I'm not saying 'you need to learn before you buy', just that either camera out-of-the-box doesn't really produce images that great. Panasonic makes cameras that have great out-of-the-box value, but Canon are ones you have to work at a bit more. Considering your skillset and your viewpoints, however, I still think the the out-of-the-box value, the learning curve, and the image potential (how cinematic it has the ability to look) makes the XL2 your prime candidate.
Posted: Wed, 1st Oct 2008, 11:16am

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THanks Im still learning the XL2, but have got all the basic features down and im getting better with the shutter, iris, manual focus, ect., ect.
Posted: Wed, 1st Oct 2008, 11:25am

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Never-mind that last message, I know how to work the XL2. Ive gotten used to all the features. Since the XHA1 is basically that same thing (and has most-almost all the same features) except the shoulder-mount and the mic that the xl2 comes with is better. I think im going to get the xha1, thanks ben! smile
Posted: Wed, 1st Oct 2008, 11:38am

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The XHA1 is not the same thing. Have you considered how the HDV format will affect your workflow? Not just computer performance-wise, but in terms of cinematography? Have you weighed the differences in the XL2's native 24p and the A1's emulated 24F? Are you aware of the ghosting that can possibly occur with most fast motion on HDV-recorded items? Do plan on shooting anything with fast motion, camera movement, or action; and have you considered the issues with the A1 in this regard?

Honestly, if I had to buy any two cameras from that price range, it'd be the XL2 and the A1. But that doesn't mean I wouldn't use both extensively first. Don't assume you know everything about the A1, because it most certainly is not the same as the XL2. If we were dealing with the XL-H1, we'd be in different territory, but I'm talking about the two cameras at hand.

Do a little more research and check them out more, that's all I can say. But the differences between the two aren't as black and white as you assume, and I'd hate for you to have any buyer's remorse considering the expense of the purchase.
Posted: Wed, 1st Oct 2008, 11:47am

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I have an HV20 right now, and I'm considering an upgrade, but ghosting has been a pretty big problem for me, and I was wondering if any of you could tell me what you know about it?

(sorry if I'm taking over the thread I can move this if you need me to)
Posted: Wed, 1st Oct 2008, 11:49am

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Thanks dude. I will be shooting some fast motion stuff and I like quick camera movements but at my school like I said we use the XL2. Don't get me wrong-awesome camera, but I already have an HD Sony Handycam. And by getting the A1 I could get 1080i out of both cameras. Which in the long term means less editing because there're resolutions are the same. I like the idea of having a manual focus, zoom, and iris ring. But thanks anyway. I wish I had the money to get BOTH, that would be the coolest thing in the world. But, whatever camera I get I am getting the NTG-2. HAHAHAHAHA awesome mic. Thanks dude.
Posted: Wed, 1st Oct 2008, 12:53pm

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To be clear on one thing, I don't see how you'd have less editing from having the same resolutions, unless of course you'd want to mix the footage from the Handycam which, in my professional opinion, is just an awful idea.

But like I said, good luck with your purchase! biggrin
Posted: Wed, 1st Oct 2008, 2:17pm

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We have an XL1 here at work, I've used it a few times- and I rented an XHA1 for a job once.

IMO the image of the XHA1 just seemed better overall and the lower light performance was better, but those might be noticably improved in the XL2 (?) I heard they weren't.- but as I am not a "cameraman" or "shooter" by trade, I can't offer any insights as to the tech specs- I have used both and unless you are going to exploit the ability to swap out lenses on the XL2, I can't see why you wouldn't want the XHA1- I also like the ability to have a flip out screen and the compact size of the XHA1- I find the XL body styles to be too short, even with the shoulder rest/XLR pad for proper balancing. But I defer to those who have done more extensive work with them.

.02 on form and function.
Posted: Wed, 1st Oct 2008, 9:55pm

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Ya I know what your saying, we have an XL2 at school and it handle's low light very well. But thanks for your opinion. smile
Posted: Thu, 2nd Oct 2008, 12:51am

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To throw some stuff out there, my two latest works were, respectively, produced on an XH-A1 (with the NTG-2) and an XL2 (with on-camera mic, my NTG-2 is gone).

So, even if you already have, despite the compression, check out Pages (XL2) and The Dark Knight Returns (XH-A1). I spent a lot more time on the former than the latter, but they still have a good degree of work put into getting those images from the camera.

Anyhow, like I've said, the choice is yours.
Posted: Thu, 2nd Oct 2008, 1:28am

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Any camera can get the job done. Q is: How much time are YOU willing to spend learning, practicing and mastering the camera?

A xh a1 in the hands of a novice will be horrible. In the hands of an expert - will be masteful.

So everything is respective. Do your due diligence before plunking down $3g's. I bought the xh a1 dvd BEFORE I even bought the camera.

I wanted to ensure it would be capable of doing the job well and comfortably.

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Posted: Thu, 2nd Oct 2008, 10:13am

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EvilDonut wrote:

Any camera can get the job done. Q is: How much time are YOU willing to spend learning, practicing and mastering the camera?

A xh a1 in the hands of a novice will be horrible. In the hands of an expert - will be masteful.

So everything is respective. Do your due diligence before plunking down $3g's. I bought the xh a1 dvd BEFORE I even bought the camera.

I wanted to ensure it would be capable of doing the job well and comfortably.

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Is this the DVD you bought?

http://www.amazon.com/Learn-Canon-TUTORIAL-TEACHING-PROGRAMMED-INSTRUCTION/dp/B001BZA2VU/ref=tag_tdp_sv_edpp_i
Posted: Fri, 3rd Oct 2008, 12:30am

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it's the one from vasst

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Well my cousin said thats he is going to get the HDR-FX7. I dont know how this camera compares with the XH A1 but any advice would be helpful. Besides it has an 3CMOS sensor which definitely beats the 3ccd, but on the other hand it doesent have any xlr inputs so you would have to buy a beachtek item. Thanks!
Posted: Fri, 3rd Oct 2008, 2:44am

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Hey, what is better? XHA1, or fx1000 with beachtek xlr adapter.
Posted: Fri, 3rd Oct 2008, 4:12am

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The FX-line of Sony isn't really on the same level as the XH-line of Canon. Sony Z-line cameras, like the Z7, however, are contenders- hell, they're better than contenders!

But stick with Canon or Panasonic. I've seen the best results from these two brands, whereas Sony seems to be rather hit or miss in the prosumer realm.
Posted: Fri, 3rd Oct 2008, 12:11pm

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Im not a fan of Panasonic. Ive also been looking at the sony HVR-V1U. Its the pro version of the fx7. Have you heard anything good about that camera?
Posted: Fri, 3rd Oct 2008, 2:13pm

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Though I've never owned or had a friend who owned Panasonic, I dunno how in the world you can neglect them when they've created the DVX100b (the best SD camera besides the XL2) and the industry-leading (and by that I mean prosumer-industry) HVX200, which is pretty much unmatched in terms of the cameras in its league (XHA1, Z1, etc).

Honestly, I dunno why you're ignoring the advice you've already got. If you want to go into more expensive HD territory, then just get the Canon XH-A1, because it's pretty much the best you can get from a reliable brand, with good optics. Sony makes good cameras, but I would not buy the V1U (which uses 24p as its price-hiking gimmick) over the A1, especially considering the price disparity for what you actually get.

Honestly, if you're looking further into the Sony realm, what was the point of this thread? We can only give you so much advisement, the rest is up to you. In a second are you going to be looking at the Sony PMW-EX1 or the Z7 and be asking about them? I mean, what's your budget here and, more importantly, why are you buying a new camera?
Posted: Fri, 3rd Oct 2008, 2:48pm

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Im getting a new camera because my current one sucks at everything. It doesn't even have a ccd or cmos chip, The quality suck, It doesn't have a mic input at all, Its internal mic sucks, and The formats is barely compatible with my mac! I also am getting into more professional level filming. I refuse to make another movie until I get a different camera. I also need XLR. My new camera would be my main camera for a looooonnngggg time. I liked the V1U cause I could shoot in 24p and HD at the same time. I also like cmos better than ccd. You can get the V1U off of Bargain-Camera.com for $2,500, b-c is a real legit site also.
Posted: Fri, 3rd Oct 2008, 3:01pm

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FYI, your camera actually does have a cmos chip. I can understand what you're saying about your mic and computer compatibility though. I think a good time to upgrade a camera is when your current one is limiting you. That sounds like the case for you.

RyanMichael wrote:

I also need XLR
Need or want? wink

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I liked the V1U cause I could shoot in 24p and HD
What editor are you using? Unless you're using Final Cut Pro, you won't be able to edit 24p footage. Final Cut Express can edit HDV (Not HD!) though.

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You can get the V1U off of Bargain-Camera.com for $2,500, b-c is a real legit site also.
How do you know it's a legitimate site? I couldn't find it on reseller ratings.
Posted: Fri, 3rd Oct 2008, 3:21pm

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I do need XLR (unless I get a beachtek adapter). I do use FCP. I have bought from B-C before and I never ran into any problems. There was also a B-C ad on Videomaker magazine.
Posted: Fri, 3rd Oct 2008, 3:41pm

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First rule's first: Only ever buy from Ebay or B&H. There. Lather, Rinse, Repeat.

Just a real quick aside, RyanMichael. From your apparent naivety on these situations and my impressions of you from your posts, I would be remiss if I didn't say that I really think you should reconsider your camera choices for something less professional and save yourself some money.

Not to sound cocksure, but even people like my brother and myself- people who are pretty apt, experienced, and generally pretty skilled with the type of cameras- still have trouble every once in a while, don't know everything about the camera all the time. I'd even go as far as saying our ability is sometimes challenged by the cameras, an XL2, XH-A1, and GL2, we use.

What I'm getting at, is- based on the view of you I've got from your posts- I think you should look at lower-end cameras. My impression of you, and I mean no offense by this, is that you're in over your head, and your prioritization is out-of-whack.

For instance, why is an XLR port so crucial to you? Do you realize you can get an adapter and connect a professional microphone to your current camera so long as it has some sort of 8mm mic jack?

Hell, we mic everything we do these days, and half of our cameras don't have XLR ports at all.

In fact, take this advice: Get the HV20, honestly. I think, really and truly, it will suit you, the practicality of your ambitions, and your wallet much better. And, overall, I think you'll be more-immediately impressed with the on-camera results and versatility of the camera.
Posted: Fri, 3rd Oct 2008, 3:47pm

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I might still get the xha1 or the xl2. The only reason I don't want the xl2 is the no HD.
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Atom wrote:

What I'm getting at, is- based on the view of you I've got from your posts- I think you should look at lower-end cameras. My impression of you, and I mean no offense by this, is that you're in over your head, and your prioritization is out-of-whack.
This is exactly what I was. I thought for a long time that I needed a GL2 to get better quality. I was stubborn. It's a great camera and I'm glad that I own it, but I really wish I had gotten something cheaper like an HV20. I wasted so much time saving up for the GL2 while I should have bought an HV20 (my current camera was broken) and practiced my skill making movies. I spent about almost a year without making a single video. It took me about 3 months to start getting the hang of making good videos again.

On a side-note, I highly, highly suggest you read Rebel Without a Crew by Robert Rodriguez.
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I think there's also the fact that I make some 'killer vidz!!!' every now and then, and have been doing so for years, and still don't own anything like the A1.

But that could just be my jealous, self-indulgent ego speaking.... biggrin
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I guess you guys are right. One of the best movies Ive ever made was shot with a digital camera. But I have moved far from the digital camera shooting days. I still want something at least a little more professional than a sony dcr-sr45 (my suckish camera). Ive decided that Im probably gunna get the xl2, V1U, or A1. More the V1U and xl2 than A1, the A1 just seems a little too small and unprofessional.
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RyanMichael wrote:

the A1 just seems a little too small and unprofessional.
You just made my day with this ridiculous, laughable statement, RyanMichael.

What's funnier, you've given me every indication of doubt that you have the professional prowess or skill to really warrant buying a prosumer camera, let alone something as fantastic, expensive, and complex as the XH-A1. Really, man. I think we've all been beating around the bush and pandering around the point for a couple pages to save you from harshness of reality. But, I want to even be as blunt as saying you perhaps don't deserve to own an XH-A1 yet; at least based on what I've heard from you.

Now, I could be wrong; absolutely. But something tells me I'm right on the mark. Honestly, buddy, look into the HV20. Please, for the sake of your and your parents' pocketbooks. Re-evaluate at what point your skill level really lies, and think carefully about this all. It's absolutely worth doing. The A1, the XL2, any of these truly professional cameras will do nothing more for you (in fact, they might even do less) than a camera like the HV20 if you're not at the skill, experience, or preparedness-level to handle and warrant such a great camera.

And this is all, of course, also discounting the fact that the HV20- a camera I've made constant mention of and you've completely ignored- is one of the most fantastic cameras out there for what it is. Moreoever, to me it looks like another kid looking online and seeing the body-style of the XL2 and the A1 and saying 'wow, that looks cool and pro. It's prolly legit, I shuld just get that. that hv20 looks like just some regualr camera.'

But like I said, maybe I'm wrong, although I seriously doubt it. And I apologize in advance for how critical this post is of you.
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What editor are you using? Unless you're using Final Cut Pro, you won't be able to edit 24p footage. Final Cut Express can edit HDV (Not HD!) though.
Vegas can handle HD, HDV, and 24p with no problems.
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The A1 is a newer, more professional camera than the V1U and XL2. Just FYI. This doesn't mean that it's necessarily better, but it's far from unprofessional.
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RyanMichael, it seems to me that you just want to get a "professional camera" just for the sake of a getting one. I would take Atom's advice and look into a HV20, or if you want to get some experience with manual controls, maybe even a GL2. Once you get better at making movies in general, then you should move on to more professional camera's like the A1 or the XL2. Remember, a camera doesn't make the filmmaker.

Just my .02...
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I agree with Thrawn. The HV20 is a ton better than it looks.
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I have an HV20 and it baffles my mind how many people overlook this camera. I happened to get mine for a steal! I got an open box at Circuit City for $500 dollars! Amazon has them new for under $1k. That's still a steal for what you are getting. You could buy this camera and a 35mm lens adapter and it would still be cheaper than the cameras you're looking at.I didn't have a lot of technical knowledge about things like gain and aperture so this camera was perfect for me. But even if you do have some knowledge there is a huge support community for this camera. HV20.com is amazing for this kind of stuff; things from properly using your gray card and how to build your own adapters.

A lot of people underestimate the output for this camera. Goto vimeo.com and type in hv20 hd. I think like me, you'll be amazed. No matter what your camera, your video will only be as good as you can tune your output. Things like proper deinterlacing, removing pulldown...In the end I don't think I've met one person who has been dissapointed with this camera. Just know in the beginning you are getting a consumer camera with a lot of potential.

With the extra cash you save you can pimp out your rig!


If you want to see some of my stuff search for my username at vimeo.com/jaycarney . And if you want, I can film some tests for you in certain situations and can answer most questions you may have about it. Trust me, it rocks!
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Ok, ill take a look at the HV20. But what about the hvr-a1? Its small but proffesional. I like it ALOT. Just to let you guys no what me and my friends have been filming lately, here is the trailer for our latest film. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WN9OPkCYTWE
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Ok, ill take a look at the HV20. But what about the hvr-a1? Its small but proffesional. I like it ALOT. Just to let you guys no what me and my friends have been filming lately, here is the trailer for our latest film. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WN9OPkCYTWE
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No. Never heard anything close to as good about that camera as I have the XL2, A1 or HV20. So.............no. I mean, don't get me wrong, it's a great camera, but the HV20 for its price and the A1 for its price both, respectively, give you the most bang for your buck. Just FYI.
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sfbmovieco wrote:

I have an HV20 and it baffles my mind how many people overlook this camera. I happened to get mine for a steal! I got an open box at Circuit City for $500 dollars! Amazon has them new for under $1k. That's still a steal for what you are getting. You could buy this camera and a 35mm lens adapter and it would still be cheaper than the cameras you're looking at.I didn't have a lot of technical knowledge about things like gain and aperture so this camera was perfect for me. But even if you do have some knowledge there is a huge support community for this camera. HV20.com is amazing for this kind of stuff; things from properly using your gray card and how to build your own adapters.

A lot of people underestimate the output for this camera. Goto vimeo.com and type in hv20 hd. I think like me, you'll be amazed. No matter what your camera, your video will only be as good as you can tune your output. Things like proper deinterlacing, removing pulldown...In the end I don't think I've met one person who has been dissapointed with this camera. Just know in the beginning you are getting a consumer camera with a lot of potential.

With the extra cash you save you can pimp out your rig!







Nice Dude how much is everything in that pic worth???


If you want to see some of my stuff search for my username at vimeo.com/jaycarney . And if you want, I can film some tests for you in certain situations and can answer most questions you may have about it. Trust me, it rocks!
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I'm not sure exactly but its made by the company red rock I believe. The 32mm adapter I kno.1k usd
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Atom wrote:

RyanMichael wrote:

the A1 just seems a little too small and unprofessional.
You just made my day with this ridiculous, laughable statement, RyanMichael.

What's funnier, you've given me every indication of doubt that you have the professional prowess or skill to really warrant buying a prosumer camera, let alone something as fantastic, expensive, and complex as the XH-A1. Really, man. I think we've all been beating around the bush and pandering around the point for a couple pages to save you from harshness of reality. But, I want to even be as blunt as saying you perhaps don't deserve to own an XH-A1 yet; at least based on what I've heard from you.

Now, I could be wrong; absolutely. But something tells me I'm right on the mark. Honestly, buddy, look into the HV20. Please, for the sake of your and your parents' pocketbooks. Re-evaluate at what point your skill level really lies, and think carefully about this all. It's absolutely worth doing. The A1, the XL2, any of these truly professional cameras will do nothing more for you (in fact, they might even do less) than a camera like the HV20 if you're not at the skill, experience, or preparedness-level to handle and warrant such a great camera.

And this is all, of course, also discounting the fact that the HV20- a camera I've made constant mention of and you've completely ignored- is one of the most fantastic cameras out there for what it is. Moreoever, to me it looks like another kid looking online and seeing the body-style of the XL2 and the A1 and saying 'wow, that looks cool and pro. It's prolly legit, I shuld just get that. that hv20 looks like just some regualr camera.'

But like I said, maybe I'm wrong, although I seriously doubt it. And I apologize in advance for how critical this post is of you.
I meant the hvr-a1, not xh-a1.
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Either way, don't get in over your head and bite off more than you can chew camera and skill-wise. I'd hate to see you waste your money, time, and potential-experience on a camera that seemingly looks uber-professional but then disappoints you when you don't get immediately great-looking results.

I'm just saying, I see all this happening; and I want you to be ready and not make a mistake. I cannot repeat this enough.
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I understand, but seriously though I know how to work almost all of the features on the XL2, and when I played with this camera in our video store the guys was very impressed with my knowledge of its features.
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sfbmovieco wrote:

I'm not sure exactly but its made by the company red rock I believe. The 32mm adapter I kno.1k usd
The Redrock kit on that HV20 is a concept model being developed by Redrock specifically for smaller cameras like this that have/will emerged/emerge. It's basically their 35mm adapter (which comes with rails/support) with an upside down mount, and new shoulder mount, as well as their follow focus setup. Then it has some kind of additional eye view finder.

That whole setup is probably around $4,000.

$550 HV20
$1,000 Redrock kit
$300 Shoulder mount
$300 Follow focus rig
$400+ lens
$1,500+ Viewfindery thing

I'd love to see that rig with a matte box on the end of it. I'm going to save up for parts and eventually get that with a monitor instead of viewfinder, and a beachtek XLR adapter.
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whoa....
All those ad ons are more than I can get a legit xha1! I do like the redrock series. Do the adapters reduce quality at all due to the fact that basicly its just the camera recording a screen in the adapter.
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Sorry for the late response. With a nice 35mm adapter, you will hardly notice any quality degradation because it is projected perfectly and any details in the screen aren't seen by the camera due to vibration or spinning of the glass/wax screen.

After that, the next concern is light loss. A 35mm adapter will lose a little bit of light coming into the camera which makes it bad in a poorly set up situation (or at night). In other words, you'll need to light your scenes well indoors, at night, and in darker than "overcast-ish" situations.
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I recently got an HV30, and it's absolutely killer. The only real issue is the lack of true exposure control, which is the main reason I prefer my DVX100B over it. Overwise? The HV30 with the shutter speed turned up is incredible. Basically, I'd use the HV30 for everything except guerilla filmmaking.


Now, if you really want to get something cheap, but loaded with manual controls, look into the Panasonic HDC-HS100 (Bout $1K).

But seriously, I would never buy another SD camera at this point. Then again, I wouldn't buy anything expensive at this point, because of the sheer amount of sexy cameras coming out soon.

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I have been looking at the ag-dvx100b. I don't really care about hd. I just need good quality.
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Siiiiiiiiiiiigggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.


Told you so; in advance.
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There 2 people who use this account remember, Ryan is not into HD but I on the other hand cannot live without it and am much more experience with Pro Cams due to the fact that I use the XL2 at school almost every day. It is a great camera, don't get me wrong but I've seen what the XH A1 can do and I LOVE IT! I need a good cam for my own personal use so thanks for all of your advice guys but I think we've made up our minds. smile
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Jesus Christ, man, they shouldn't allow you on the forums then. Why in the hell would you ask for comparisons if you're two people who function from either counterpoint?

You start a thread about an HD camera versus SD, then argue BOTH WAYS. Honestly man, when is it gonna stop?
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RyanMichael wrote:

There 2 people who use this account remember
Psychotic?
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I know... Why not just make a different account?
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Bryce007 wrote:

RyanMichael wrote:

There 2 people who use this account remember
Psychotic?
Schizo.
Posted: Tue, 14th Oct 2008, 4:19am

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Wow man... Just make two different accounts. Then we won't get frustrated with you.
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Then we won't get frustrated with you.
But then they'll complain about how this account purchased Effectslab and Compositelab, which will frustrate us more.
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Yeah, that would suck having to sever ties to a shared account on which two people purchased one commodity, therein giving them only one Gold User-ship.

You're right, that would suck for whoever decides to go get a different account and loses the ability to submit and rate movies on here. It would especially suck if, despite the adversity of losing those paid-for account privileges, that that person contributes and posts so much anyways that they're the fourth most frequent visitor to this website...


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Damn guys our bad were sorry I just wanted to know of any personal problems with the xh a1 of xl2 so I could decide better. This thread was not meant for everyone to get mad, just chill. Sorry for asking for your opinions.....???
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By the way FXhome stuff is only installed on one of our computers, but I just like to speak with other filmmakers.
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RyanMichael wrote:

Damn guys our bad were sorry I just wanted to know of any personal problems with the xh a1 of xl2 so I could decide better. This thread was not meant for everyone to get mad, just chill. Sorry for asking for your opinions.....???
Oh yeah, your right. I can't believe I didn't realize until now that the rest of us are at fault! We shouldn't be the least bit frustrated at RyanMichael, because after all, all he did was ask for our opinion. rolleyes
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Register a second account - you are not supposed to allow anyone access to your FXhome forums account.
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Ok guys. New account. Happy?
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Yeah, it's fine.

http://fxhome.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=13907&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15

Check out the second post on this page. Some of us have been here before. Granted, five years prior, but still.
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Thanks man, for all your advice and help! We'll be asking you more questions soon. smile
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RyanMichael wrote:

Thanks man, for all your advice and help! We'll be asking you more questions soon. smile
I'm sure you will. ;D
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ok this thread is dead a while but i was hoping you might be able to send a little advice my way....

I'm having the same dilemma....Xl2 or A1

I've recently gotten some redundancy money and i want to invest...I'm setting up a wedding video business and have bookings (one coming up very soon)...later on I hope to work on commercial projects company promo's and possible small time adverts

I need to bite the bullet and i'm swaying towards the XL2 simply because I think it may be more manageable for someone with little experience. But then i'm confused about HD it seems like a bad decision to purchase a camera that is .....well ....not the the most up to date technology wise. But on the other hand what's the point of having a HD if i cant manage it and if its to difficult to edit eating up my memory. If i purchased the A1 i would probably on only shoot in SD. But if i wanted to upgrade in a couple of years would my SD XL2 have completely diminished in value because its not HD?

My head is completely melted the more i read on this subject the more confused i get.........Please HELP sad i need to make a decision soon
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If you are strictly shooting wedding videos, I'd go with the A1, hands down. I use a GL2 that will last me a few years. I bought it a year ago, but I'm starting to wish that I saved my money and got a camera that records to a HD format.