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Blind Vengeance (Official Trailer)

Posted: Wed, 1st Oct 2008, 12:25pm

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The Official group for the upcoming film "Blind Vengeance".
After stealing millions from a successful heist, a man loses everything and is determined to get even with those responsible.

Starring Drew Rio, Brad Dimac, Brooks Morgan, Angie D'Alli, and Evan Lewis. Directed by Andrew Zenn and Match Du Toit.

Coming January 2009.
For more information check out http://www.andrewzenn.com.


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Posted: Wed, 1st Oct 2008, 4:45pm

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Tha was awesome...The way a real trailer should look like.
Posted: Thu, 2nd Oct 2008, 12:55am

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The music for this trailer seems quite familier, anyone else feel the same way?

Anyway, very nicely compiled trailer, it truly makes me want more. I will have to check out the film when it is done (hope you will let us know).
Posted: Thu, 2nd Oct 2008, 5:04am

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Well, hmmmmm. This is a hard sell.

On one hand, you've got yourself something incredibly well-edited from a marketing standpoint. But on the other, it could just as easily be seen as ridiculous and as spoof, which I initially took it as for it's over-the-top-ness. You've obviously got some vision and a good amount of technical skill, which makes the use of incredibly cliche and highly-recognizable trailer music pretty disappointing. (The Matrix trailer music, then The Dark Knight soundtrack)

For all the great cuts and meticulous sound-design you present in this thing, the copyrighted music itself effectively diminishes the power of these achievements. I'm still interested in the project, though, as it does look promising- albeit a little cheesy and 'kids-with-guns-being-badasses!'-ish.

But whatever, we're all allowed a project like that every once in a while. smile An apt 3/5 from me, good work on the technical side. Also, a great deal of high-production value is in the thing, which pleasantly surprised me. Keep it up, man!
Posted: Thu, 2nd Oct 2008, 10:54am

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That looks really promissing. I hope to see the real thing when it comes out. Good job
Posted: Thu, 2nd Oct 2008, 6:56pm

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Looks pretty good, I agree with Atomic on the fact of the copyrighted music. Otherwise it is looking great. Can't wait to see it!!

P.S. Release it on the 22nd and send me a DVD copy for my birthday biggrin lol kidding.
Posted: Fri, 3rd Oct 2008, 11:57pm

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I disagree with the whole music thing. If your judging on that... maybe you should be on an audio site or something. I mean yes, it is nice to have someone with their own music, but it definitely doesn't take away from the film. Think of Intros for basketball teams... do they make their own music? No, they borrow some epic music and do some amazing editing. No one is complaining on that. I'm not completely disagreeing with atom, but some of us don't have that kind of access to making our own music
Posted: Sat, 4th Oct 2008, 1:31am

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Sean Beeson, Tommy Gundersen, Rudy Picardo, Sid Barnhorn, there's TONS of musicians both for independent hire and who supply tracks to be used in independent productions.

In fact, despite the three I just mentioned (the first three of which offer samplings of their work for free online) there are many more on this very website who offer their work in the forums. Hell, all of my films since sophomore year in highschool use music with signed permission, and it was as simple as faxing someone and requesting a track. It wasn't a big deal, I'm legally allowed to use it, the music sounds good, and it doesn't remind me of something else.

This isn't a music site, you're right, this is a film site. So let's man up and start using tracks that aren't illegitimate, old, and tired. Reels and tests are one thing, but trailers and the films they endorse are something completely different. The bottom line is that when most people hear the Zimmer Batman tracks, they'll think 'Batman'. It's a three-year-old, twice-visited franchise, so it's just old enough to be played too much and just recent enough to stay in memory: a lethal combination. Honestly, I think I said this somewhere else, but Zimmer's TDK and BB tracks are becoming the new 'Requiem for a Dream'...
Posted: Sat, 4th Oct 2008, 8:11am

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ben3308 wrote:

Sean Beeson, Tommy Gundersen, Rudy Picardo, Sid Barnhorn, there's TONS of musicians both for independent hire and who supply tracks to be used in independent productions.

In fact, despite the three I just mentioned (the first three of which offer samplings of their work for free online) there are many more on this very website who offer their work in the forums. Hell, all of my films since sophomore year in highschool use music with signed permission, and it was as simple as faxing someone and requesting a track. It wasn't a big deal, I'm legally allowed to use it, the music sounds good, and it doesn't remind me of something else.

This isn't a music site, you're right, this is a film site. So let's man up and start using tracks that aren't illegitimate, old, and tired. Reels and tests are one thing, but trailers and the films they endorse are something completely different. The bottom line is that when most people hear the Zimmer Batman tracks, they'll think 'Batman'. It's a three-year-old, twice-visited franchise, so it's just old enough to be played too much and just recent enough to stay in memory: a lethal combination. Honestly, I think I said this somewhere else, but Zimmer's TDK and BB tracks are becoming the new 'Requiem for a Dream'...
I couldn't agree with everything you've said up there more. If I hear Requiem for a Dream one more time then I'm going to ram my head into the nearest wall.

Ben, perhaps talking through and explaining the process you go through in order to to get signed permission, how you make contact with the record labels in question, giving a rough copy of the wording you use and any approximate costs, might inspire others on here to start doing the same thing and get them to branch out with their choice of music for films or trailers.

I for one am somewhat in the dark on this matter, and it would be so nice if my next film used music tracks that I was legally allowed to use!

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Posted: Sun, 5th Oct 2008, 12:34pm

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musicbeyond.com is a great site with free music(kinda) I wanted to use one of their music so I wrote them asking for permission. They said as long as I wasn't planning on selling the product I was fine to use any of it.
Posted: Tue, 7th Oct 2008, 9:32am

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TSHADproductions wrote:

I disagree with the whole music thing. If your judging on that... maybe you should be on an audio site or something.
Music is an integral part of filmmaking, and this is a filmmaking website, so discussion of music definitely belongs here.

I mean yes, it is nice to have someone with their own music, but it definitely doesn't take away from the film.
I would say it does, especially to anyone that is familiar with film scores. In the instance of using the Batman music, for example - no matter how awesome the little indie, low-budget short film is, it's probably not as good as Nolan's Batman films. Therefore when you hear the Batman music, you immediately associate it with bigger, better films, which does the short film a disservice. Also, in story-based films, it distracts you from the narrative and instead reminds you of other stories.

Think of Intros for basketball teams... do they make their own music? No, they borrow some epic music and do some amazing editing. No one is complaining on that.
That's completely different, though. It's a basketball team, not a movie. Two very different things.

A basketball team on its own is just a bunch of lanky guys in shorts throwing a small ball up and down a court and trying to put it into a little net. The inherent drama is pretty low, at least until you get into the game.

By associating themselves with movies, which have inherently high drama, it lifts the basketball presentation up a notch. If you're watching basketball but are hearing the Gladiator, Superman, Batman or Two Towers music, you instantly think "EPIC, AWESOME!"

The difference is that basketball and movies are totally separate, so don't conflict with each other in this context.

I'm not completely disagreeing with atom, but some of us don't have that kind of access to making our own music
All it takes is a little bit of networking. If you've gone to the effort of finding a shooting crew, a cast, all the expensive camera and editing equipment.....why stop short at finding a composer as well? It's like falling at the final hurdle.
Posted: Tue, 7th Oct 2008, 11:17am

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Well.

I really don't like light-flare transitions.


Moving on, This kind of seems like just another zero-budget quasi-action film, with one specific VERY worn cliche:

The mop haircutted bro actors.

Why must this keep occuring? All over the internet, I keep seeing these kinds of movies where the actors all have these ridiculous shaggy haircuts. It *always* make them look like a bunch of fratboys running around with airsoft guns and $10 sunglasses.


I'm not saying this is terrible, I'm simply saying it's potential is entirely missed.
Posted: Fri, 10th Oct 2008, 2:08pm

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Tarn wrote:

All it takes is a little bit of networking. If you've gone to the effort of finding a shooting crew, a cast, all the expensive camera and editing equipment.....why stop short at finding a composer as well? It's like falling at the final hurdle.
Yet some of us don't have an expensive camera, and amazing editing equipment. Put yourself in everyone shoes, not your own. When you live in a town of about 500, there is not much networking smile. I can get the deer though. I'm not one for arguments, so I'm not carrying on, I'm just clarifying.
Posted: Fri, 10th Oct 2008, 2:21pm

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TSHADproductions wrote:

Tarn wrote:

All it takes is a little bit of networking. If you've gone to the effort of finding a shooting crew, a cast, all the expensive camera and editing equipment.....why stop short at finding a composer as well? It's like falling at the final hurdle.
Yet some of us don't have an expensive camera, and amazing editing equipment. Put yourself in everyone shoes, not your own.
Yeah, sorry, 'expensive' was the wrong word. I meant 'amazing' which, to me, is pretty much anything beyond Hi8 and an editing VCR.
Posted: Sat, 11th Oct 2008, 3:47pm

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Lol okay. That makes a lot more sense. when i looked at your videos , however, they looked very professional (very good editing and quality) ... that's why i jumped to conclusions that you meant thousands of dollars in equipment smile. My bad.