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Posted: Sun, 28th Jul 2002, 6:58pm

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Rawree

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Please would some kind-hearted soul tell me how one would traverse the obstacle of creating the illusion of one or one's friend rapidly decending from ones roof whilst at the half way down point forwardly rotating 360* before landing.
With reguards
Yours Sincerly
Sir Rawree the Duke of Normandy

-for the interlectually challenged
(Can you tell me how to make it look like someone is doing a forward/backward flip from a roof or just from standing)
Cheers
Posted: Sun, 28th Jul 2002, 7:08pm

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Hajiku_Flip

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Well, there is a few things your going to have to do, but it's gonna be hard. For the flip, here's how I would approach doing just a standard flip if I needed to fake it. Have your actor jump and tuck his legs like he would be flipping, then land. Then take a back shot of nothing but the background. Turn the clip of your actor jumping and tucking, into an articifial blue screen. Then, import it back onto the background shot, and have your artificial bluescreen shot rotate. Then it will look like he jumps and rotates! I'd help you with the other thing, but I'm in a rush, if no one responds, I'll be sure to give you some feedback! biggrin
Posted: Sun, 28th Jul 2002, 7:11pm

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anonymous

thanks
can you use photoshop 4 that?
Posted: Sun, 28th Jul 2002, 7:13pm

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hai44100

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jus do a flip, they arent that hard to do
backflips are much easier than front flips, so i recommend trying those first
if u need a tutorial on how to do a backflip go here
http://www.trickstutorials.com/backflip.htm
Posted: Sun, 28th Jul 2002, 8:08pm

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Rawree

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hai44100 wrote:

jus do a flip, they arent that hard to do
backflips are much easier than front flips, so i recommend trying those first.
I am very sorry for questioning you but do you really think it is easy to flip off of a roof. ARE YOU MENTAL!!!??? tard
Posted: Sun, 28th Jul 2002, 8:11pm

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Hajiku_Flip

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Not only is he mental, he's crazy. There is no way in hell a backflip is easier/safer then a front flip!! crazy
Posted: Sun, 28th Jul 2002, 8:12pm

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oliciv

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Rawree wrote:

hai44100 wrote:

jus do a flip, they arent that hard to do
backflips are much easier than front flips, so i recommend trying those first.
I am very sorry for questioning you but do you really think it is easy to flip off of a roof. ARE YOU MENTAL!!!??? tard
I'll push him if you want wink - and you can buy the video for the low low price of £2000 biggrinbiggrin
Posted: Sun, 28th Jul 2002, 8:20pm

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otteypm

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This is where you need to think about editing two seperate jumps into a single piece of action. Get big crash mats and get someone who is daft enough to jump off your roof onto them. Set the camera up close to the house pointing up at your actor, then cut to a seperate shot have your actor jumping into shot from a step ladder or something. biggrin

Or if you need it in a single shot, hire Jackie Chan.
Posted: Sun, 28th Jul 2002, 8:33pm

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Emm, this seems obvious:

If you need professional quality stunts, use a professional stuntman.
You are not Jackie Chan.

Think you can't afford one?
Have you ever actually talked to one? No you haven't. So how do you
know you can't afford one? You don't.

In all things film, it's always worth trying the proper approach. It might
not work, but you're probably operating in ignorance and you might
just learn something. Besides professionals will sometimes help you
for free. I've hade pro stuntmen help us for no money at all. TRY.

Or try a martial arts club. They'll probably have someone that can do
what you want. Or something similar.

I also have to ask. Is it ESSENTIAL to the plot for the character to
perform a back flip off a roof? Or do you just think it's cool and want
to shove it in? I'l bet hard cash on the latter.

Golden rule when it comes to stunts: DON'T BE STUPID
Posted: Sun, 28th Jul 2002, 8:36pm

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ok first of all i am NOT mental or crazy
and second a frontflip is a lot less scary than a backflip but a backflip s easier than a frontflip because as u flip backwards u r able to spot the ground before u land it whereas in a frontflip u cannot c the ground first because ur feet r lower than ur upper body so its jus a blind move which is wut makes it a lot more dangerous
he problem most people have w/ a backflip is that they r afraid of jumping backwards. so in effect the only thing u would really need in order to do a backflip is a lot of guts or alternativley a brain limited in function
obviously u guys dont know too much about gymnastics or martial arts tricks

but i guess u r right about the jumping off the roof part
i jus didnt think about that part heh heh
Posted: Sun, 28th Jul 2002, 9:16pm

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Xfurball

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It all has to do with self esteem acctually, if you're not sure of yourself and you're afraid you're gonna fall, frontflip is easier, but if you're not the backflip is waaaaaaaaaaaaay easier, waaaaaaaaaaay...
i know both of them and allot more...

Just learn to do a backflip or summit razz
Posted: Sun, 28th Jul 2002, 9:20pm

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Hajiku_Flip

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obviously u guys dont know too much about gymnastics or martial arts tricks
No, it's obvious when that I'm including all aspects of things when I say a frontflip is easier. You said yourself, more people would prefer front flips because backflips are scary as hell. therefore, it's easier to try a front flip, which means I'm correct. Front flips are easier.
Posted: Sun, 28th Jul 2002, 9:57pm

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Xfurball

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Oh and btw ive been in capoeira for about 2 years now and that martial arts plus gymnastics...
Posted: Sun, 28th Jul 2002, 11:33pm

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Phage

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Backflips are easier than front because you can see where your landing but anyways the way to do it is with a very large blue blue screen and a harness with side flip loops and a large mettal frame to hold you up, don't have that head out side and use reflector to get propers lighting and a couple trees to hold you up, put a rope (blue rope can't get that spray paint existing rope) between the trees and hang two pulleys about shoulder width apart rope it up and you ready to gomake a platforn ( scafoling works well and you can rent or borrow it for cheap) make it blue to move the pulleys to the correct loccation above the platform rig your self up and get two stong guys to hold up the ropes which are going through the pulleys jump and while decending do a flip, the ropes that are being held up should have warning tape to sya when you will hit the ground so the people will stop it before you do. It is a bit hard to get right but in the end it looks beutiful. I did this is a film where a Harry Potter fan thinks he is a wizard and jumps off a building with a broom stick and kills himself.
Posted: Sun, 28th Jul 2002, 11:37pm

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Phage

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If you want a diagram I will e-mail it to you seeing my description is a bit hazy and conveluted. And Codabar stop being such naysayer there are other ways of doing things that are right of the your "professional way" that look just as good. ie. stuntman, don't need them to do a backflip off a roof.
Please stop acting like we can't do anything.

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Posted: Sun, 28th Jul 2002, 11:39pm

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Hajiku_Flip

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To be more practical, NEITHER are 'easier'. It's all a matter of preference.
Posted: Sun, 28th Jul 2002, 11:57pm

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Phage

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Mines more fun it can be turned into a swing or something to bouce around in. Or put a tampoline undereath and then the fun REALY starts.
Posted: Mon, 29th Jul 2002, 2:12am

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hai44100

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Hajiku_Flip wrote:

obviously u guys dont know too much about gymnastics or martial arts tricks
No, it's obvious when that I'm including all aspects of things when I say a frontflip is easier. You said yourself, more people would prefer front flips because backflips are scary as hell. therefore, it's easier to try a front flip, which means I'm correct. Front flips are easier.
more people would perfer a frontflip because it is less scary and it is easier to TRY a frontflip, but it is a lot easier to screw it up too
trying a frontflip is easy as hell, DOING one is NOT
Posted: Mon, 29th Jul 2002, 7:33am

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anonymous

well thanks for all your erm... help
Posted: Mon, 29th Jul 2002, 7:34am

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Rawree

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sorry forgot to log in
Posted: Mon, 29th Jul 2002, 7:35am

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Hajiku_Flip

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Thanks for letting me know, I was getting worried and suspicious! So we haven't helped you the least bit? oink
Posted: Mon, 29th Jul 2002, 7:38am

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anonymous

I was really looking for a way which doesn't require me to do the flip
(bluescreening etc.)
but it doesn't matter if there isn't you've tried your best and thats all i can ask for.
Posted: Mon, 29th Jul 2002, 7:39am

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Hajiku_Flip

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Did you not read my post? That would work fine, and you wouldn't have to do a flip at all... neutral
Posted: Mon, 29th Jul 2002, 9:32am

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oliciv

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Ok thanks for all the help even if Rawree doesn't apreciate it wink
Phage a diagram of what you were talking about would be great, can you email it to oli@trownet.com please smile
Posted: Mon, 29th Jul 2002, 3:46pm

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Xfurball

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You could always try doing it into a pool which happens to be beside a pretty black wall...
Posted: Tue, 30th Jul 2002, 8:48am

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anonymous

how would you go about rotating the bluescreen thing?

(and I did read it.... I just couldn't work out how to do it which is why i am asking you now)
I apologise 'O' fountain of all knowledge 'O' star of the east 'O' great Hajiku Flip master of AlamDv please forgive me.
Posted: Tue, 30th Jul 2002, 8:52am

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Rawree

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Guess who forgot to log in again
Posted: Sun, 4th Aug 2002, 6:33am

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Phage

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I am going to make a tutorial on this, seeing itis a cool thing to do, it will take me a few days to make but i will post and you can see how to do it.
Posted: Sun, 4th Aug 2002, 7:09am

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raider

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yeah - got after effects? do a roll on the ground in front of the cam, which is moving with the actor, blue everything else - plug it in. I had an actor get into a ball, exported as .bmp (side view) then animated it as a mask spinning and going over in an arc for a force jump. worked well.