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When did you consider yourself a Filmmaker?

Posted: Wed, 22nd Oct 2008, 6:15am

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Hello, I have found it impossible to call myself a film maker when people ask "Whats with all the cameras and Lights!?".
Because i haven't made what i would consider a true short film. I consider my work to be crappy clip.

SO for you Fxhomers out there that do consider yourself a Filmmaker.
When did you consider yourself a Filmmaker?
What project did you complete where afterward you thought to yourself "Im a filmmaker"
Posted: Wed, 22nd Oct 2008, 6:24am

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It's only within the past 4 months, after the Fxhome shoot. If I'm being honest it would have been when 'Between the Lines' premiered in Brixham in March 2007.

Now there's no going back!
Posted: Wed, 22nd Oct 2008, 8:24am

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Depends really. I've considered myself 'a filmmaker' for ages, since I was about 18. The important part is that I didn't consider myself a good filmmaker. wink

If you make films to any degree (other than random holiday videos etc) that have some thought put into them, you are a filmmaker. It's then up to you to become a good filmmaker - although it's only really other people that can decide whether you are good or not.
Posted: Wed, 22nd Oct 2008, 8:27am

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I'd have to say, even though we messed around with several shorts- completed and such- it wasn't really until a few years in, at the height of the Splinter Cell fanfilm we were doing- that I looked around and saw my friends in full, thought-out wardrobe, lights strategically placed and moved about, a friend holding a boom pole, and Ben manning the GL2 for the first time.

It was at that point, from a production standpoint, that I thought 'whoa, how the hell did we make this all come together from what used to be 4 kids making fx tests'.

More finitely, though, I think you consider yourself a "filmmaker" in an even greater sense each time you transcend your own work and move up and up, bigger and better. For instace, while I really think SC was the mark for me- Cover's Story was the first complete project I felt really held a message and told a moving story and I've been proud of this, because it was the first time- even in all the movie's faults- I saw people actually moved in some way by something I/we created.

And of course, lastly, I've felt even more like a filmmaker in my exhaustive hours and extensive work on MSB- but I think this is more of a pained, producer's feeling. smile
Posted: Wed, 22nd Oct 2008, 8:30am

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When I made Cover's Story, and got it shown on TV and at local theaters. Then got in two magazines, the newspaper, and a cable show interview about it.

But forget all that, I'm suppose regardless of whether you think I'm a cocky bastard or not, I'll still make good films and have a damn good time doing it. And that is, as they say, that. If ever you're in Texas, give me a shout and we'll grab a few (illegal!)beers or something. Otherwise, whatever.

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Posted: Wed, 22nd Oct 2008, 8:40am

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If I'll ever be as phenomenal as ben, then I'll consider myself a filmmaker too.


On a more serious note, I'd say I've never thought about what I "consider myself". I make films, I like doing it, that's that. I got my first film shown on TV when I was 14, I won my first prize when I was 15, have had several interviews and news articles etc. But if I wanted to find a "point" that made a difference, then it was the moment my first piece of work got distributed professionally and internationally.
Walking into a regular DVD store and finding my own work in there, that was the moment where I felt "Yay! I'm a filmmaker".
Posted: Wed, 22nd Oct 2008, 8:43am

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This is why I line my self-indulgent phrases with distracting prefixes like "pretty" or "for my age" suffixes. biggrin

Also, putting it in the past tense makes it seem more distant and less currently connotative of my attitude.
Posted: Wed, 22nd Oct 2008, 8:50am

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Sollthar wrote:

On a more serious note, I'd say I've never thought about what I "consider myself".
Yeah, that's a good point as well.

There was a short period in which I wanted to specifically be 'a filmmaker'. That thought lasted a few years, up until I finished university.

Generally I like to dabble in lots of things, hence working on a book, a website, short films, occasional artwork, in addition to whatever FXhome stuff I do. The quality of the work I produce in each area varies wildly, of course.

But yeah, filmmaking is just one thing I like to do. If I had to pick one thing to categorise myself it would be 'writer', I suppose, but even that I find too limiting.
Posted: Wed, 22nd Oct 2008, 9:21am

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Interesting question, not really sure how to answer!

My living is made by filming and selling stuff, so maybe that qualifies me - but the real problem is I don't know what a filmmaker does.

Producers produce, directors direct, editors edit, grips grip and gaffers gaff - but there's no such job as "filmmaker", so in that sense, how can I qualify?!
Posted: Wed, 22nd Oct 2008, 1:24pm

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Wow, Thanks guys these were amazing responses. I definitely learned alittle more about my fxhomers today.
Posted: Wed, 22nd Oct 2008, 2:39pm

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Gosh! When did I discover I was a film-maker? Hmmm.

Probably the day I was watching a movie on the telly and I thought to myself "I can do this!". I then started filming everything I could and after a little jigging in the editing bay, upon playback I thought "woo hoo - I did it, I'm a film-maker".

This was only a couple of weeks ago razz
Posted: Wed, 22nd Oct 2008, 2:40pm

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Never have, and most likely never will.
Posted: Wed, 22nd Oct 2008, 4:26pm

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It was a gradual process for me. When I started, I was basically just imitating other people's work, but then I entered the National Political Journalism Competition. I won the award for 'Best Production', got my award presented to me at a ceremony behind the Houses of Parliament and then went on to have afternoon tea with Cherie Blair. That was when I thought 'Hey, I could get used to this'.

I didn't trully think of myself as a filmmaker until I started 'Summertime Killer', when I was actually making a fictional short film that I scripted, acted in, shot, edited and did VFX for. Once I'd actually made a film, I thought I was at least in some way on the road to being a filmmaker.

People at college now recognise me as a 'filmmaker' or at least 'that guy with a camera'. But even now, when I look at '4:02' (my latest completed short), I still think I'm not quite there yet.

Also, I get a little gittery about the term 'filmmaker', having never shot anything on film before (mores the pity), it's only even been analogue 8mm video or MiniDv; therefore, I guess I'm a 'videomaker'.

Perhaps when I get to Uni, I'll get more used to the term (and actually get to work on Super 16!)

AE
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We'll See how my next shoot goes smile
Posted: Wed, 22nd Oct 2008, 6:04pm

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Still don't consider myself one because i don't make a living off of it.
I still have 3 other jobs that have NOTHING to do with films, and still a full time student majoring in civil engineering.
Posted: Wed, 22nd Oct 2008, 6:39pm

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I don't really consider myself a film maker, yet. That should change in a couple days. I just tell people that it is what I want to be.
Posted: Wed, 22nd Oct 2008, 7:10pm

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I've considered myself one ever since I began making films. I don't think you have to make quality films to be a filmmaker because the definition is simply someone who makes films.
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Sollthar wrote:

If I'll ever be as phenomenal as ben, then I'll consider myself a filmmaker too.
That made me laugh out loud. Then people at my work looked at me weird. So for that I thank you and damn you Sollthar hah.

Anyways, mine stems all the way back to around 5th grade. As soon as I was able to use my dads video camera for whatever I wanted to do. Being able to make goofy vids with friends was the best. Then I met AJ in 7th grade (Hence the "group" started to form). And there was something about making movies with those who wanted to make them as badly as you did. When I knew we were going to make a movie on a certain day (via my mom dropping me off at AJ's or vice versa hah) there was a certain feeling of excitement that I can't even put into words. And that feeling has yet to fade away and I don't think it ever will. I love making films.

So I considered myself a filmmaker at a pretty early stage in my life. There hasn't been anything since to ever top it. What solidifies it even more is the fact that now AJ and I (and a whole TEAM of others from back home) are living out in Hollywood now, doing exactly what we talked about doing 11 years ago. And the wow factor came when Fingerman (a concept that AJ and I made back in Ohio from literally just goofin around with ideas) was actually presented to the World on a commercial break during American Idol. That gave me a mentality of "This dream is very possible".


BTW - FCR, you're ass better become a filmmaker, man haha. Because after seeing all the vids you make, it's more than apparent that you could make a living off of it.
Posted: Wed, 22nd Oct 2008, 7:59pm

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I guess the first time I considered myself a filmaker was when I was rigging up that hidden camera in my cousin's best friend's bedroom.

Sound quality was awful but that was one shoot that didn't need editing.

Actually I'm hoping my next project is where I can finally call myself a film maker (albeit amateur). I've got a script that's in it's 3rd draft, a storyboard of each scene, carefully thought out props and wardrobe, half decent editing software, effectslab, a sound set-up that will hopefully get better quality audio...

Basically I have all the tools and eqipment I need to do this half right, I just need to make sure I don't let myself down. If I can produce something I actually think is good (which I haven't yet) then I think I can finally consider myself a film maker, and if I don't then onto the next project!

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Posted: Wed, 22nd Oct 2008, 8:04pm

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FCRabbath wrote:

Still don't consider myself one because i don't make a living off of it.
I still have 3 other jobs that have NOTHING to do with films, and still a full time student majoring in civil engineering.
Wow... I dont think anybody on these forums is as humble as you...

You make some truly amazing stuff, yet you dont consider yourself a filmmaker.
Posted: Wed, 22nd Oct 2008, 8:09pm

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vilhelm nielsen wrote:

Never have, and most likely never will.
I think that's partly true for me too in the sense that I'm not sure if I'll ever actually refer to myself as being a filmmaker, but I guess I probably started thinking of myself as being more of a filmmaker after completing Avenged (which was really our first serious movie that actually had some level of polish) and even more so after recently completing It Won't be the Last.


Though as some people mentioned, just because I'd like to think of myself as being a filmmaker doesn't mean I think of myself as being a good one, it just means I'm no longer in the YouTube league. smile


-Jabooza
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About 2 months ago
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I don't onsider my self a film maker anymore. More of a video effects artists or master video editor. Just kidding.
Although I have all the software and computers and tools, but I lack talent and creativeness. I do plan to atempt to become a decent filmaker with a new idea I had for a comedy holiday movie. We'll wait and see, but it is eveident from my cinema movie, that my film making skills, well... suck. I am better at short projects and clips rather than big films, mainly becasue I am very disorganized and loose interest.
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Rebourne wrote:

FCRabbath wrote:

Still don't consider myself one because i don't make a living off of it.
I still have 3 other jobs that have NOTHING to do with films, and still a full time student majoring in civil engineering.
Wow... I dont think anybody on these forums is as humble as you...

You make some truly amazing stuff, yet you dont consider yourself a filmmaker.
What about ben3308?
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well I would say when I first started filming and editing in high school druing my video tech class. At that time I was discovering my hidden skills and trying to pin point what I'm going to be. Later about a year or two did I finally to write my screenplay and shoot it. I'm still not the best nor will I ever call myself the best. I find that being a filmmaker is a skill and/or art that you can't help but find your self working on the next great thing.
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I think of it as this: If you've ever filmed a story, you're a filmmaker.

Thus, I became a filmmaker back in 1997 when I first starting shooting comically violent claymation shorts with a friend of mine using a full size VHS camera (And editing in-camera)

Other than that, Titles don't thrill me, so it's not a term I use much.

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Posted: Wed, 22nd Oct 2008, 11:39pm

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I think of it a bit similar to Bryce, but phrased a bit differently - if you've ever filmed a story people have responded to.

I don't buy into titles much either though and find throwing words around like filmmmaker, director and other titles you'd like to call yourself a bit pretentious until you start getting paid for it. Of course, you'll label your role in any amateur films you make but outside of those it seems redundant.

I see myself as an aspiring filmmaker.
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I see words like "editor" "director" "producer" as being pretentious (if youre not being paid or intend on getting paid). For example on an interview for your first paying gig for editing, don't ever say to your boss "I wouldn't consider myself an editor" because you're probably going to get replaced wink

But "filmmaker" is just someone who enjoys making films regularly, imo. That and it's not really a title you see in credits ha.

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Posted: Thu, 23rd Oct 2008, 12:14am

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I dislike people terming themselves 'director' or 'producer' on amateur productions, as these are more ambiguous, lesser-defined terms. But I think 'editor' - when someone edits a movie - is a fine credit, because it simply describes plainly what someone has done.

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Posted: Thu, 23rd Oct 2008, 2:35am

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One thing that I've learned and valued from NYU so far is that almost EVERYONE is as good or better than I am. The big fish in a small pond to a small fish in a big pond thing couldn't be more true. It's really great to get that perspective, so I don't go around thinking I'm a filmic genius and instead am constantly trying to improve what I do.

Necessity is the mother of invention! razz
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irishcult wrote:

Hello, I have found it impossible to call myself a film maker when people ask "Whats with all the cameras and Lights!?".
Because i haven't made what i would consider a true short film. I consider my work to be crappy clip.

SO for you Fxhomers out there that do consider yourself a Filmmaker.
When did you consider yourself a Filmmaker?
What project did you complete where afterward you thought to yourself "Im a filmmaker"
The moment you say to yourself 'I'm going to shoot a movie'.

That's it. You don't consider yourself a painter until after you've finished a painting.

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Mellifluous wrote:

I don't buy into titles much either though and find throwing words around like filmmmaker, director and other titles you'd like to call yourself a bit pretentious until you start getting paid for it.

cx3 wrote:

I see words like "editor" "director" "producer" as being pretentious

ben3308 wrote:

I dislike people terming themselves 'director' or 'producer' on amateur productions, as these are more ambiguous, lesser-defined terms.
I couldn't disagree more with the three of you! smile

As has been mentioned in other topics, although being 'a professional' requires you to be paid for the work, there's nothing to stop you conducting yourself and your production professionally.

Take the FXhome short film Fracture that we shot over the summer. Ashley was most definitely the director. Chris Jones was definitely the director of photography. Justin was definitely the editor. Matt is definitely the visual effects supervisor. etc.

None of them are being paid, though. But those are definitely their roles, so I'm not sure why that should be regarded as pretentious.

If it's a makeshift amateur production that's kinda thrown together then, yeah, defining roles like that is a bit pointless as they're most likely not properly defined in the first place. But if you're approaching the production as professionally as possible (aside from the lack of payment), then I don't see anything pretentious about those roles.
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Couldn't agree more Tarn! Well said that man.

In my experience some amateur shoots have been more professional than actual pro shoots I have been on. Infact, I have been on pro shoots when no-one knew what they were doing at all.
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And you see movies come out of Hollywood that are heaving masses of mess. But they're still professional heaving masses of mess.

I'll be crafty and suggest that yes you're not getting paid for working on the Fxhome film, but somewhere down the line you're going to get repaid for it, as it's a promotional film just as much as a creative one. Also, the people participating I believe are on their way to becoming filmmakers and have probably earned money from previous work.

You might have a bunch of friends working with you to try and make a film as professionally as possible. Or, you might have a group of 12 year olds who make their film as professionally as they have the capacity to do. Are they all filmmakers?

Is it the person who brought the film together? Is it each participant, who just went along for the ride? If there's some payoff at the end, e.g. the film is sold on DVD, someone is professionally hired off the back of it, then maybe they have a right. Other than that, to me they're just a bunch of friends making movies, but they're not filmmakers.

I did some rewiring in my house the other day, I decided to call myself an electrician. After that I wrote an article that will never see the light of day and now call myself a writer. I have an A level in Law and call myself a lawyer. I watch films and make up my own ratings for them, I am now a BBFC film classificationalist...
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Holy Cow. I wasnt expecting this much reply. Thanks guys

here is my input so far.
I dont think i will consider myself a Filmmaker until the day i do the following.
Help Script and Screenplay
Storyboard
Cast
Shoot
Edit
RENDER

But thats just me.

Also i dont believe you have to work with "Film" to be a Filmmaker anymore. and i dont believe you have to be paid to be a director or something to be considered a "Filmmaker". I didnt ask for WHen did you consider your self a professional filmmaker. Just a filmmaker

Thanks for all ur input guys this has really made me understand the Fxhome community better.
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Is there a reason why my posts were deleted?
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FCRabbath wrote:

Is there a reason why my posts were deleted?
Yeah, mine too?

But anyways Tarn, you cut out what I had in parenthesis, man haha. I said "unless you're getting paid or intend on getting paid".

I dunno, I guess it just sounds cocky when you say "Hey, I'm a director." as opposed to "I'm the director of this project." Comes down to how the word is used. If that makes any sense?? neutral
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FCRabbath wrote:

Is there a reason why my posts were deleted?
Yeah there's been some reshaping to this thread.
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CX3 wrote:

FCRabbath wrote:

Is there a reason why my posts were deleted?
Yeah, mine too?

But anyways Tarn, you cut out what I had in parenthesis, man haha. I said "unless you're getting paid or intend on getting paid".
Well, if I'd included that it would have undermined my point. wink


This topic was moderated as it was becoming rather ben-centric and was drifting wildly off topic.
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Hey - sorry for the late reply but - although I'm only a teenager, I slightly consider myself a filmmaker, ever since we cast about 30 people from my school drama department, and created a film CashBack - ... (trailer - http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=MERAuBo5Ykw and yes I found a week after submitting this that there is already a film called cashback) and had it previewed at our school. I wouldn't say I'm professional, but the difference with people here is that some are really creative (e.g. Solthar) and others are just holiday film makers. I wouldn't know where to put myself, but once you see the above trailer, you should tell me If I am worthy to have that title...
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Remember, 300 years ago - a 'filmmaker' was merely a person who put on a funny stage or puppet show to entertain the villagers. Who thoroughly enjoyed it.

Just because technology changes, doesn't mean the definition does.

So all things are relative. smile

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Since I've never shot a "film", I've never considered myself a filmmaker, but I am a movie maker, and proud to be so. I've done a lot on video, going back to 1986 on old, huge VHS camcorders. A few full projects, but mostly sketch comedy bits. Had a blast, but then went and did something completely dangerous-

I married a creativity-stomping witch, which pretty much took me out of the movie-making game from 1992-2000. I think it was getting back into it that led her to find someone else. It was her finding someone else that led me to kicking her out smile

But after she was gone, and I met a new woman (who is now wife #2), I was able to leap back into movie-making quite fully. But I really didn't know how cool this really was, or how much fun it could be until I shot a full, 90-minute "Friday the 13th" tribute movie that got viewed all around the world thanks to the internet. It was awesome.

Now, as I've been working on an epic zombie flick since early summer of 2005, I think this just might be the coolest hobby ever, and I want to do it for a living.

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Josh3B wrote:


I married a creativity-stomping witch, which pretty much took me out of the movie-making game from 1992-2000. I think it was getting back into it that led her to find someone else. It was her finding someone else that led me to kicking her out smile

But after she was gone, and I met a new woman (who is now wife #2), I was able to leap back into movie-making quite fully.

JB
Wow - you have a history (wife #2) lol...
Good luck on your zombie project, cos if you've been making it since 2005 - its gotta be either really good or really long...
Posted: Tue, 28th Oct 2008, 1:50pm

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davlin

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I would never dare to call myself a filmaker but I'm proud to be a hobbyist who is trying to improve on his hobby and thoroughly enjoying the experiences of making contact with some like minded peeps on various
forums.....of course FXHome being the most important.....coff. biggrin
Posted: Mon, 1st Dec 2008, 12:36am

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CurtinParloe

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I'm not a film maker. I'm an auteur. wink

I considered myself a film maker to some degree when I made my first film, but I always thought I wasn't a proper film maker until I appeared on IMDB. After that I didn't think I could really call myself a film maker until people I met didn't think I was joking when I told them that. Then I couldn't officially call myself one until I was getting paid to do it.

Now I won't feel comfortable with the title until I make something with a reasonable budget, and after that until I make a mid-budget feature, and after that until I win an award...

In other words, I'm not comfortable with the title at all, but it's ultimately the best description of what I'm doing.
Posted: Mon, 1st Dec 2008, 3:35am

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RodyPolis

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I considered myself a filmmaker after I made my first film.
what is a filmmaker? Someone who makes films, right? Then, it shouldn't matter how good the film is, as long as it's a film the person who makes it is the maker.