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Questions About Motion Tracking

Posted: Tue, 28th Oct 2008, 1:10am

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Sam Larsen

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In a couple videos I saw there was motion tracking being used. Is there now a motion tracker in vision lab or are they just using adobe or something?
Posted: Tue, 28th Oct 2008, 1:51am

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There is no motion tracking in Visionab. Without knowing which videos you are talking about, I can't say for sure what method they used.
Posted: Tue, 28th Oct 2008, 2:06am

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Axeman wrote:

There is no motion tracking in Visionab.
i must agree with axeman. although motion tracking in visionlab would be quite an enormous improvement, not to mention MUCH easier, programs that have the motion tracking tool are adobe after effects and apple motion. so most likely the video you saw used adobe.
Posted: Tue, 28th Oct 2008, 6:25pm

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spydurhank

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ah motion tracking, motion tracking. i wanna get a.e. because it has this option but it'd be silly to fork out the cash just to use that one thing when I'm used to vision lab. what to do, what to do.
Posted: Tue, 28th Oct 2008, 11:38pm

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Darth Stazz the Powerful

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since the topic is up, is there a way to make accurate motion tracking manually? perhaps using the grid?
Posted: Wed, 29th Oct 2008, 12:38am

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You pretty much need to have a reference point in the footage. If you have a mark on a wall where you wanted a bullet to hit, for example, then its not too difficult to align the effect properly despite camera movement. If you didn't plan ahead for the effects, its much more difficult.
Posted: Thu, 30th Oct 2008, 1:09am

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i did a practice short of my brother lifting his car by the hood then he spins in a 360. the car was three photos of the front side and rear. i used a 4 point neon engine light saber thing, like a measuring tool. i kept it the same length the entire shot. i attached it to a nearby tree, the other end was attached to the car. it took a good amount of time but using the two reference points helped a lot. the shot wasn't 100% as i shot the footage to shake just to see if it was doable. i added some motion blur for when he spins the car. should have used a tripod but like i said it was just practice. hope this helps. i may re try this tomorrow but I'll plan it better like axeman suggested.
Posted: Fri, 14th Nov 2008, 2:36pm

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Eagle66

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So 2D motion tracking to vision lab will very nice. If you have a shot with a footage and integrate an animation with no still kamera in the shot, it is not possible with vision lab to mask this...

But if you buy After Effects you don't need vision Lab razz Are there any other tools which can import in vision lab or is only After Effects for this?

2D motion tracking
Posted: Fri, 14th Nov 2008, 3:53pm

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The great thing about vision lab is the price. After effects is more professional, but also more expensive. Personally, I prefer the keying in Vision lab over after effects because it's a lot easier and fxhome has key grading which can't be matched. I do alot of stuff in after effects and the motion tracking in nice, but you can also track things by hand if you to. And I don't know what your talking about with the mask considering masks are %100.1 animated.
Posted: Fri, 14th Nov 2008, 7:09pm

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Eagle66

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Rockfilmers wrote:

And I don't know what your talking about with the mask considering masks are %100.1 animated.
Yes thats right, but for tracking you have nothing, so you have to decide Fx or after effects...

If you have a 45 degree camera pan up from the ground to thw sky over 10 seconds as footage and you will replace background and sky with a 3D Composition this Comp must follow the pan in every frame to fix with the footage. Not working without tracking or edit every 240 Frames.
Posted: Sat, 15th Nov 2008, 2:50am

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it takes a lot of work on your part if your using vision lab but it is a more user friendly program than after effects. there are always different ways to by pass having to motion track footage. use a tri-pod. for your shot that pans up at 45 degrees just take a larger shot your footage, that shows the ground as well as the sky. slap it in vision lab and you can animate the whole thing once you've replaced the sky, as in making the shot appear to pan upwards. I'm gonna make a video tutorial pretty soon on using the neon engine to fake a motion track thing. it worked pretty good, i shook the camera on purpose but when i was done it actually worked so until then i replied to this post. you should read it but I'm not sure if i explained it right. g'luck
Posted: Wed, 19th Nov 2008, 6:40pm

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Darth Stazz the Powerful

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fxhome effectslab, fxhome visionlab, fxhome videowrap, fxhome motiontracker.. yeaa...