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Posted: Sun, 2nd Nov 2008, 6:07pm

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Hey everyone. Most of you guys probably won't remember, but I shot a wedding video in late August, and had some problems actually getting onto my computer. I was told that buying an external hard drive was probably my best bet solution-wise, so I went out and bought one, problem solved. Now that the video is finally completed, I am having serious problems burning it to DVD, and I'm really starting to get frustrated.

Then entire video is about 94 GB, and I just don't know what to do about burning it. I can't find any DVDs that have enough space to hold the video and, and the finished product is WAYYY overdue. Any suggestions?

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Posted: Sun, 2nd Nov 2008, 6:18pm

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1) split it into sevral discs
2) buy double layer DVDs (8.15 GB)

The project would take about 12 dvds, but it seems to be the only way.
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8409377&st=blurry+discs&lp=3&type=product&cp=2&id=1181347550316

Actaully, if you used blu-ray discs they hold about 25 GB. That may be the best way, although more expensiv ($20 per disc)
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?id=abcat0515002&type=category

Hope it helps.
Posted: Sun, 2nd Nov 2008, 6:27pm

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Is there any way to make the files smaller? Because the couple wants 5 copies of it, that is just way too many DVDs. Im working with mov. files. I've tried converting them to dv files and then burning but that didn't help either.
Posted: Sun, 2nd Nov 2008, 7:10pm

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94GB... haven't you edited it, or did they want it like that? By my estimation that is about 7 hours of footage... which means viewing it is epic.

Anyway, you need a good DVD creation software to create a DVD they can view on their player connected to their TV. If don't want it in DVD format, but in file format, then you'll need to compress it big time using a codec they want (Quicktime, wmv, Divx - whatever).

For DVD, I'd recommend a Sony Vegas suite such as Movie Studio because the software is easy and offers good and easy compression.

You might be able to fit that footage onto a single DVD using Moive Studio but I'd recommend splitting it in 2 so the quality's semi decent.
Posted: Sun, 2nd Nov 2008, 8:26pm

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DVD's just don't work that way! You don't just copy to a blank DVD, you need a DVD programme to Transcode and build the DVD image.

How long is the finished video? You can estimate about 1 hour of good quality on a single layer disc, 2 on a double (but the blanks are more expensive and not all burners can write to them).

If you've got a PC, download DVDFlick (freeware) which is excellent and will help you finish to DVD (Transcode and burn)
Posted: Sun, 2nd Nov 2008, 8:31pm

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Mellifluous wrote:

94GB... haven't you edited it, or did they want it like that? By my estimation that is about 7 hours of footage... which means viewing it is epic.

Anyway, you need a good DVD creation software to create a DVD they can view on their player connected to their TV. If don't want it in DVD format, but in file format, then you'll need to compress it big time using a codec they want (Quicktime, wmv, Divx - whatever).

For DVD, I'd recommend a Sony Vegas suite such as Movie Studio because the software is easy and offers good and easy compression.

You might be able to fit that footage onto a single DVD using Moive Studio but I'd recommend splitting it in 2 so the quality's semi decent.
Actually Its only 80 mins, but it was shot in HD so that's why it's so big. For this Vegas suite, I'm assuming I have to own Vegas first? I don't really have a lot of money at the moment so buying editors is kind of out of the question right now. Is there any other compression method that anyone knows of? As for the actual DVD, I've always used iDVD and those DVDs have played on TV's just fine.
Posted: Sun, 2nd Nov 2008, 8:47pm

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Videowrap! would be an good choice for compression, and Sony DVD Architect is what I use for burning.
Posted: Sun, 2nd Nov 2008, 8:51pm

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Alright well first off is there any way that I can compress this thing so I can get it on one or two DVDs tops? VideoWrap seems like a good choice right now.
Posted: Sun, 2nd Nov 2008, 11:01pm

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FE Filmmaker wrote:

Alright well first off is there any way that I can compress this thing so I can get it on one or two DVDs tops? VideoWrap seems like a good choice right now.
Erm...I just told ya - DVDFlick which is FREE and EXCELLENT! I have used this to package and deliver DVD sets to clients, it is very very good, better than many paid ones.

Maybe I need to explain more as I'm already well into +1 territory here wink

Download DVDFlick. Run the programme, import your video file, set some settings (how many chapters you want, for instance, so people can just skip through the disc), and set it off to burn. It will turn your 94Gigs into 4.5 gigs to fit on a blank DVD, and burn you a master disc (and create a disc image for you to create copies). Those discs will play in DVD players, unlike if you copy files onto a disc without the filestructure DVD players require (as a part of the DVD standard)

VideoWrap, as useful as a Transcoder will be, isn't the answer to getting the video onto DVD in a way that will play on practically all DVD's - trust me, this is my job, my profession, what the company I own does for income, and I'm bloody clever too - trust me, this is the way to create a DVD you can play on stuff.
Posted: Mon, 3rd Nov 2008, 2:47am

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pdrg wrote:

If you've got a PC, download DVDFlick (freeware) which is excellent and will help you finish to DVD (Transcode and burn)
Is there a version for macs?
Posted: Mon, 3rd Nov 2008, 9:32am

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Is there a version for macs?
Sadly I don't think there is sad It's the other side of owning a Mac that you've fewer freeware tools available, however I understand you do have a programme IDVD that comes with(?) Macs which has similar functionality - it should handle the Transcoding for you, build the file structure and probably allow you to make basic menues too. Try Apple's website for more info, but I think it's a freebie smile

Just to give you a bit of extra background info - the way video files get shrunk down for the web, for storage, for DVD etc is by using Transcoding (which changes the codec used to store the file). Some codecs are better for editing with, others are better for presentation. All DVD's use an MPEG2 codec (it's defined in the standard), plus a specialised file format, plus some extra files you cannot hand roll, so you must use a DVD authoring tool (or they won't play on most players).
Posted: Mon, 3rd Nov 2008, 2:53pm

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Alright so does anyone know what the smallest codec (if that even makes sense) would be? I'm not at home right now, but I could post a list of the ones on the mac if that will help....
Posted: Mon, 3rd Nov 2008, 3:33pm

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FE Filmmaker: what codec is best will depend on where your video will ultimately be going.

If you're trying to burn a playable DVD - do not transcode the video to a different format yourself! You need to use a DVD authoring software like iMovie to make a playable disc smile

Cheers,
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Posted: Mon, 3rd Nov 2008, 5:36pm

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Burn it as an ISO then use "DVD Shrink" freeware still I think google it on the net and it will encode it to make it a 4.1 gig dvd.

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Posted: Tue, 4th Nov 2008, 11:04pm

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Apparently I don't have a default program to run DVD shrink. Is there any way to put it on to VHS?
Posted: Wed, 5th Nov 2008, 3:12pm

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FE Filmmaker wrote:

Apparently I don't have a default program to run DVD shrink. Is there any way to put it on to VHS?
Actually I'm not convinced it would help anyway, you're Transcoding twice by then, you may as well get it right first time. If you've got a Mac, have you tried iDVD or whatever they call it? it should do exactly what you're asking just the same as DVDFlick smile
Posted: Wed, 5th Nov 2008, 4:57pm

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If you offer 'sony vegas movie studio Platinum's DVD Architect' (very cheap while able to work with HD footage) HD footage it will automatically downscale it to standard def before the burning process begins, this in itself will reduce your file size drastically and you'll see while 'preparing the project for burning' if there are any size issues in relation to the DVD size. As someone else said, you also have the option of using a duel layer DVD which will double you capacity. Much better to have the whole thing one one disk if you can.

Download the DVD Architect Demo and load your clip up to see how much the file size reduction will be (I'm sure it'll be V4.0 that you get with vegas platinum)

Vegas rocks, I'd recommend it to anyone

Good Luck
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Posted: Fri, 7th Nov 2008, 7:28pm

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pdrg wrote:

FE Filmmaker wrote:

Apparently I don't have a default program to run DVD shrink. Is there any way to put it on to VHS?
Actually I'm not convinced it would help anyway, you're Transcoding twice by then, you may as well get it right first time. If you've got a Mac, have you tried iDVD or whatever they call it? it should do exactly what you're asking just the same as DVDFlick smile
Thats what the problem is, iDVD isn't reducing the file size. I've been trouble shooting forever now and I can't seem to find an answer to my problem. I try everything the sites say and nothing works. I'd call apple support but they make you pay ridiculous amounts of money for help. I was hoping that other mac users on the site might have a solution, or maybe could point me in the right direction of one.
Posted: Fri, 7th Nov 2008, 7:51pm

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Are you making sure that you're telling the program that you're making the dvd for 4.2gb encoding etc, as it says here?
http://www.wellesley.edu/Computing/Idocs/Idvd/customizeProject.html

Also, make sure that the video file type is a format normally used in idvd. Bear in mind that you need to downgrade your high definition footage to low quality 720x480 for dvd writing.
Posted: Sat, 8th Nov 2008, 12:09am

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I told the program that it was burning to dual layer DVD, I figured they'd be better because I'd have more space. Part of the video is 4:3, but most of it is 16:9. Would that maybe be part of the problem? The two videos are separated though.
Posted: Sat, 8th Nov 2008, 3:12pm

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If only you lived nearby I'm certain we could solve this in just 5 minutes!

Can you borrow a PC just to make the DVD using DVDFlick?

And try setting IDVD to a single layer disc *A DVD VIDEO DISC NOT DATA DISC*. I don't do Mac I'm afraid, otherwise I could give you more details, there must be MacBoyz here who can help you out, seeing as how simple Macs are supposed to be!
Posted: Sat, 8th Nov 2008, 7:22pm

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Would I have to convert the footage to wmv. first? Or wouldit be okay if the PC had quicktime?
Posted: Sat, 8th Nov 2008, 8:40pm

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94 gb is still alot even for 80min of hd. just render to mpeg2 and try keep the size as small as possible with the best quality video. Then burn it with what ever software you want.
Posted: Sun, 9th Nov 2008, 12:28am

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Limey12345 wrote:

94 gb is still alot even for 80min of hd. just render to mpeg2 and try keep the size as small as possible with the best quality video. Then burn it with what ever software you want.
I can only export it to mpeg4, but ive tried all video sizes and its still too big to burn.
Posted: Sun, 9th Nov 2008, 1:52am

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I think you need to look at IDVD more closely - either it isn't a DVD burning app (and Macs are confusing) or you just need to study the help files. Proper DVD burning software (which I assume IDVD is, but check with Apple heads on this board) will take your video file, no matter what size, and Transcode it to fit onto a DVD - that's the whole point of them in fact! They let you add menues, chapters, etc., then convert the video files (slowly with 94 Gigs) into VOB files within the right file system to play on a player. Anything else will not play on most players, you do NOT just make an MPEG4 encoded Quicktime and hope, players will not play it. The majority of other advice on this thread is misleading - using a Transcoder is (as I've said again and again) of no use to you - even if the file was 20 megs, just copying it to a DVD will not play in other players. I've run out of ways to say it! You need DVD burning software to burn a DVD Film onto a blank disc. I can name several for PC, I assume IDVD is one such programme for Macs, but I've never used it. If it is DVD burning software, it should just work - I don't understand why it wouldn't? Maybe you can list the steps and settings you're choosing, see if a Mac lover can explain where you're going wrong? Change the topic title to include "Mac IDVD Help Needed" so people who love Macs might start reading again?

Scratch my idea about going to a PC as I'll bet you formatted your disc as HFS/HFS+ and PC's don't read that format natively - it would cause you more grief I suspect.
Posted: Sun, 9th Nov 2008, 3:05am

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pdrg wrote:

I think you need to look at IDVD more closely - either it isn't a DVD burning app (and Macs are confusing) or you just need to study the help files. Proper DVD burning software (which I assume IDVD is, but check with Apple heads on this board) will take your video file, no matter what size, and Transcode it to fit onto a DVD - that's the whole point of them in fact! They let you add menues, chapters, etc., then convert the video files (slowly with 94 Gigs) into VOB files within the right file system to play on a player. Anything else will not play on most players, you do NOT just make an MPEG4 encoded Quicktime and hope, players will not play it. The majority of other advice on this thread is misleading - using a Transcoder is (as I've said again and again) of no use to you - even if the file was 20 megs, just copying it to a DVD will not play in other players. I've run out of ways to say it! You need DVD burning software to burn a DVD Film onto a blank disc. I can name several for PC, I assume IDVD is one such programme for Macs, but I've never used it. If it is DVD burning software, it should just work - I don't understand why it wouldn't? Maybe you can list the steps and settings you're choosing, see if a Mac lover can explain where you're going wrong? Change the topic title to include "Mac IDVD Help Needed" so people who love Macs might start reading again?

Scratch my idea about going to a PC as I'll bet you formatted your disc as HFS/HFS+ and PC's don't read that format natively - it would cause you more grief I suspect.
Yes iDVD is proper burning DVD software. I've used it many times before, never with this much footage mind you, but I have used it successfully every time before.

I'll run through everything that I've done up until this point.

Firstly I've imported the footage from my cameras and its been on my computer since August.
Then once I went out and bought my external hard drive I split the footage up into three parts, mainly because I wasn't aware that you couldn't mix footage from a PAL camera and an NTSC camera, rookie mistake. So now I have the first part of the ceremony which is the PAL footage, and the NTSC footage which is the second half of the ceremony and the reception, saved as mov. files.

I'm assuming I've saved them as mov. files properly, because I've done it a billion times before. When I was finished with the editing I clicked on export, and when the little window popped up I clicked on quicktime and selected Full Quality. The fist part of the ceremony is just under 5 gigs, the second part of the ceremony is 22.6 gigs, and the reception is 53.5 gigs.

Now that i've got my mov. files I imported them into iDVD once I had picked my menus and everything. I opened new buttons for the mov. files, dragged and dropped them in as you do, and then everything should have been set for the burning. When I do try to burn though, I get this message:
"Burning Preparation Error

Not Enough Free Disk Space For Encoding the Remaining Assets"

And that's where I am right now. I've tried saving the footage as dv files etc but nothing seems to work. Maybe that can shed some more light on the situation?

EDIT: IS the problem maybe because I have PAL footage and NTSC footage on the same DVD?
Posted: Sun, 9th Nov 2008, 12:49pm

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Hiya,

Hopefully we'll get someone Maccy whio may have some more ideas, but...

Mixing PAL and NTSC probably will cause some kind of problems - perhaps you could make them all one or the other? I doubt it's what's causing the problem per se, but it might become a problem down the line.

The error message tells a slightly different story - I think it's iDVD trying to tell you that it hasn't got enough space to transcode the file in - how much free space is on your hard drive? It will need about 5 Gigs free in its temp folder (check the iDVD preferences, it's likely to point to your hard drive which we know is short of space anyway), maybe temporarily set it to somewhere with more space like your removeable drive?

Sounds like everything else is in order

Let us know how that goes smile
Posted: Mon, 10th Nov 2008, 6:23pm

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Got it smile

Turns out it was a mixture of things. It was partly because of what pdrg said: I didn't have enough memory to encode the assets. So I made some more memory. The second part of it was that the project was too long. So I fixed the memory and shortened the video and we're good to go. Thanks a lot to everyone who helped out I really appreciate it. I can't believe after all though, that the solution was so simple....
Posted: Mon, 10th Nov 2008, 11:50pm

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Well done mate smile