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Posted: Sun, 9th Nov 2008, 10:01pm

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well blue screen. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJXwBybr6O4 at 3:01 it was combined camera tricks witch i think turned out perfectly. First i got him to jump in the air on the trampoline. Then i got a video of him like flying in the air on blue screen. Then i took a video of him just landing on the pad and us reacting to it and put them all together to make one awesome effect. I would like your advice on it sense it has been a while sense i have done this.

P.S. At 3:01 was the only effect i did the rest was real.
Posted: Sun, 9th Nov 2008, 10:38pm

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So what is your question?
Posted: Sun, 9th Nov 2008, 11:05pm

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I think he basically just wants some feedback on the effect that he was talking about. I.E, whether or not people think it was done well. If the jump that takes place at 3:01 really is fake, then kudos because had you not mentioned it I would never have known it was an effect.

Also, be careful with trampoline stunts... I nearly broke my neck at one point doing some of the same stuff.
Posted: Sun, 9th Nov 2008, 11:15pm

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I didn't watch the video because the (words?) being spelled wrong at the beginning annoyed me. Sorry.
Posted: Mon, 10th Nov 2008, 2:50am

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Okay man. You don't have to be a jerk. I just wanted feedback.
Posted: Mon, 10th Nov 2008, 3:31am

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He isn't really being a jerk. But any way, I would have not none it was an effects either.
Posted: Mon, 10th Nov 2008, 10:10am

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He's not being a jerk - that's perfectly valid feedback: if you can't be bothered to spell your titles correctly, why should he be bothered to watch your film?

There's no excuse for spelling in titles or credits. It just shows a lack of effort; and remember, first impressions are everything.
Posted: Mon, 10th Nov 2008, 12:01pm

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If you mean i spelt some with "sum". I did that on purpose and that was to show that this wasn't a serious video just of us having fun. I wish you would over look the fact that it annoys some of you people and just watch the video. I mean come on. Its really not that big of a deal i miss spelt something.
Posted: Mon, 10th Nov 2008, 1:20pm

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"In Etw Somthing strang has recently happend"

"Everone put there difference aside"

Seriously? It takes 30 seconds to spell check using a word processor, or have someone read over your titles before you render it out.

It shows a lack of effort - I mean, if you can't be bothered to write your titles correctly, then why would we think that you've put any effort into the rest of the film?

You asked for feedback, and here it is: presentation is everything - learn to spell check.
Posted: Mon, 10th Nov 2008, 1:39pm

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A) There's no bluescreen or greenscreen trick at 3:01, none at all.

B) If your thread title goes "QUESTION", then ask a question. Don't try to fool us into looking at your kiddie jumping around videos by posing a false bluescreen effect...

C) If you have a proper question, ask it. If not, don't.

D) Spell check your text. If you don't spend a few seconds to get something you want to show to look right, don't expect people to look at it. There's feedback for you. 5 typos in 12 words makes your video look laughable in the first 20 seconds. Take it or leave it.

E) If people call your bad spelling bad spelling, try to show a little bit of decency and not call them jerks just because they say the obvious and do exactly what you asked for, give feedback.
Posted: Mon, 10th Nov 2008, 2:22pm

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I'm a little unclear on what the actual effect is, or, rather, what the point of it is? The shot at 3.01 looks pretty much the same as all the other jumps/flips in terms of what happens.

Am I missing something?
Posted: Mon, 10th Nov 2008, 6:04pm

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Its so blaitant that this isnt an Fx!
Posted: Mon, 10th Nov 2008, 10:08pm

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There was a blue screen shot at 3:01. If you cant see it then that means i pulled it off just that good. I didn't just post this to get everyone to watch my "kiddie jumping around videos". There was an effect. I just mixed it in with all of our other stunts to see if anyone can notice it. But if you watch it closely you can tell that he looks kinda weird when he is flying through the air. It kinda looks like he stops then comes forward really fast. That was one mistake i made when doing this. Also the shadow on the tree was darker and out of place. If you cant see what I'm talking about i guess its because i made it and know is wrong. But look closely and you can see. Also please just get over the spelling. Your going to downrate me when i say this but guys get over it. It may be informal and it may seem crazy to you but thats how i am and you have to accept that as long as I'm aloud to talk on these forms because I'm not going to change.
Posted: Mon, 10th Nov 2008, 10:18pm

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You get downrated for calling people "jerks". There's rules and common social behavior within these forums, that applies to you too.

And obviously, if you want your video to start with the spelling of a 2nd grader or not, is ultimately your decision.


Right. Care to post a screenshot or video of the bluescreen element? I'd be interested in that because if you seriously did a bluescreen compositing there, then it's very, very good (or the youtube quality is again very, very bad) and quite frankly, I simply don't believe it.
Obviously, you can feel free to post "I don't care, I am what I am" etc etc blah blah and we're done with it. But I'd be curious, if it's the truth.
Posted: Mon, 10th Nov 2008, 10:41pm

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i will post a screen shot. Let me get it opend.

EDIT: Its of the footage being composited in composite lab.
Posted: Mon, 10th Nov 2008, 11:01pm

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The third title with the mistakes may have been for effect. I think so anyway!
And Had
Sum Fun


They are all 3 letters. possibly this was done on purpose?

I couldn't see the blue screen key effect. I beleive you, but I just can't tell. I think the video was too dark at 3.10

Be careful with you stunts though! smile
Posted: Mon, 10th Nov 2008, 11:04pm

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Im not sure I believe there is any composting in this.... look at the shadows....very complex.
Posted: Mon, 10th Nov 2008, 11:04pm

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Sorry for double post but here is the picture.
Mabey it will work as a thumbnail. If it dosn't just go to the link
[img=http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/8964/darianhc2.th.jpg][img=http://img522.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif][/img]
Posted: Mon, 10th Nov 2008, 11:05pm

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0:53

Dude...
Posted: Mon, 10th Nov 2008, 11:11pm

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Maybe if you were to post the raw blue screen video...
Posted: Mon, 10th Nov 2008, 11:15pm

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jgtrox2

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the video it self of the blue screen or just a screenshot. I dont want to upload it to youtube its about 130 mb unedited
Posted: Mon, 10th Nov 2008, 11:35pm

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jgtrox2 wrote:

Also please just get over the spelling. Your going to downrate me when i say this but guys get over it. It may be informal and it may seem crazy to you but thats how i am and you have to accept that as long as I'm aloud to talk on these forms because I'm not going to change.
Well oddly enough I'm not going to change either.

Look, unless you have dyslexia or another mental difficulty then incorrect spelling reflects VERY badly on you and your ability to communicate... which is essentially what movie making and films are all about, not to mention the internet itself.

God I'm sick of these flawed arguments about how spelling is not important. Believe me, you are going to change pretty quick when you can't get a job because of the amount of spelling mistakes you have on your CV. Bad spelling and poor punctuation breeds very bad habits.

It takes two seconds to correct mistakes, shows you actually care about the content you put out there for the world to see and will probably quadruple the amount of people who watch your videos because believe me... ONE spelling mistake turns off an awful lot of people from your video before they even get into the footage.

Back on track, if that is a blue screen job, and I think I can see your mid-flight pause and have no reason to suspect otherwise, then it's very well done. Good work on that.

NR
Posted: Tue, 11th Nov 2008, 12:01am

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jgtrox2 wrote:

the video it self of the blue screen or just a screenshot. I dont want to upload it to youtube its about 130 mb unedited
Just a few seconds of it. Just enough to see the bluescren back drop. I don't doubt that you really did use blue screen, just so you can prove to everyone else!

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Im not sure I believe there is any composting in this.... look at the shadows....very complex.
Mike- maybe he is just very good at what he does. It seems to be beyond what i can do (without a ton of work and the precise lighting)and probably yourself too, but it is possible. based on his profile he has been doing this longer than us.

If it really is done on blue screen- you did a great job! The goal of any good filmaker and visual effects artist is to make it look as if it is real, or as close a possible.
Posted: Tue, 11th Nov 2008, 8:18am

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Thanks for the screenshot. But it's not really helping much. smile

I'd like to see a shot of the raw, uncomposited bluescreen video. I'd like to see the actual bluescreen. That shot could well just be a garbage matte around the already existing footage.
Posted: Tue, 11th Nov 2008, 10:09pm

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Sollthar wrote:

Thanks for the screenshot. But it's not really helping much. smile

I'd like to see a shot of the raw, uncomposited bluescreen video. I'd like to see the actual bluescreen. That shot could well just be a garbage matte around the already existing footage.
That's what I was getting at above! smile
Posted: Tue, 11th Nov 2008, 11:05pm

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DVStudio wrote:

jgtrox2 wrote:

the video it self of the blue screen or just a screenshot. I dont want to upload it to youtube its about 130 mb unedited
Just a few seconds of it. Just enough to see the bluescren back drop. I don't doubt that you really did use blue screen, just so you can prove to everyone else!

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Im not sure I believe there is any composting in this.... look at the shadows....very complex.
Mike- maybe he is just very good at what he does. It seems to be beyond what i can do (without a ton of work and the precise lighting)and probably yourself too, but it is possible. based on his profile he has been doing this longer than us.

If it really is done on blue screen- you did a great job! The goal of any good filmaker and visual effects artist is to make it look as if it is real, or as close a possible.
Look, I never did say that I'm better than him. And if is that good, he would use proper spelling, post in the right forum, and make some sense with what he's getting at in his original post. For this one I just won't believe it until I see it. Usually, composting shots (of this nature) done by even the best effects artists are somewhat noticeable,if played back slowly.

But whatever, go ahead, prove me wrong. It would be a plus for everyone!
Posted: Wed, 12th Nov 2008, 12:16am

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I simply can't believ that someone would lie about this in a forum where there are many experienced film makers. He'll pull through.. i think. smile I give him the benifit of the doubt.

If we do our job correctly as visual effects artists and compositors, it should be very hard to tell what is real and what isn't. This is unfortumnate, as so much hard work goes into it, but it is the truth.

Also, he said himself that he didn't mean it to be serious: ie. spelling, effects, plot, etc. He also pointed out his own mistakes in the compositing, which should mean it was done on bluescreen. i can't make a conclusion however until I see the footage with the raw bluescreen.
Posted: Wed, 12th Nov 2008, 12:30am

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It's pretty obvious to me at 3:01 theres an effect shot. I'm not really understanding why others can't see it neutral You can see him jump up and then he awkwardly flies faster towards the camera and into the ring. Yes it was a very well executed effect shot but yeah, you can still tell it was an effect shot from the quick awkward movement from guy flying in the air. If it was blue screen, I'd be even more impressed but it could also be done by just using some compositing and masking tools.

Post a quick raw on youtube and then take it down like a few days later if you want.
Posted: Wed, 12th Nov 2008, 1:33am

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Actually im not trying to get out of uploading the raw footage but why don't you just look at the picture i posted and see where the key kinda messed up his wrist. Well if you pause it at that exact frame you can see the same problem.

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Posted: Wed, 12th Nov 2008, 1:38am

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CX3 wrote:

It's pretty obvious to me at 3:01 theres an effect shot. I'm not really understanding why others can't see it neutral
Yeah, it definitely looks like some sort of effects shot, it looks more unnatural than the other jumps.
Posted: Wed, 12th Nov 2008, 1:57pm

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I'm not doubting any sort of masking effect - the youtube quality is way too terrible to tell. I'm doubting a "bluescreen" shot myself. But I'm happy to be proven wrong. Kudos if there is a bluescreen effect in there.
Posted: Wed, 12th Nov 2008, 10:36pm

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i dont even understand how i could have made the effect without a Blue screen. I dont understand what i would do with a mask
Posted: Thu, 13th Nov 2008, 12:18am

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If you would put the link to the clip with the bluescreen backdrop... just about 3 seconds of it, just so we can be sure! This could make you may be one of the better compositors here. That's why it is a big deal, I think! smile
Posted: Thu, 13th Nov 2008, 12:29am

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actually the only used bluescreen footage was about 1 or a half second.
Posted: Thu, 13th Nov 2008, 12:40am

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Can't you upload it?
Posted: Thu, 13th Nov 2008, 12:55am

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Yeah, I'm not understanding what the hold up is... It'll take you all of 5 minutes (if that).
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jgtrox2 wrote:

actually the only used bluescreen footage was about 1 or a half second.
It doesn't matter. Just get the clip up please! smile Is it so hard? if you can't do it, I can, and I am sure others would too. Just email it to me if that's the issue.
Posted: Thu, 13th Nov 2008, 1:57am

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the hold up is my mom has her laptop (the one i did it on) and all i have is my school computer. But could i take a snapshot of me editing it like before but the raw footage?
Posted: Thu, 13th Nov 2008, 2:12am

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I am sorry to say but I can't exactly believe you either. I was watching the video and clicked the pause, play, pause, play button over and over and watched it slowly. It didn't look composited at all, amazing job if that is true. Personally I think it was done very nicely, but I can come up with a excuse for why every possible proof could be fake, so I won't ask for any and just take your word for it.
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jgtrox2 wrote:

the hold up is my mom has her laptop (the one i did it on) and all i have is my school computer. But could i take a snapshot of me editing it like before but the raw footage?
Alright. That would work.
Posted: Wed, 19th Nov 2008, 6:07pm

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Well, have you got it? I can't image it takes this long to post a screenshot of the raw footage. Unless I missed something...