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What do you think of these ads for my site?

Posted: Thu, 13th Nov 2008, 10:48pm

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Nothing is final, and the website I am talking about is still being worked on. I just wanted to see if anyone here could tell me what they think of some stuff for my site.

2 possible ads: which do you think is better?

OR


2 possible banners: which do you think is better?

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Thanks for any help in advance! I appreciate it :)Feel free to post comments! Just plez don't be too hurtful. sad
Posted: Thu, 13th Nov 2008, 11:55pm

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Okaaaaay.

Whilst it's better than anything I could ever do, it's a little "80s" in it's style. Maybe try some more modern and contemporary designs - slicker, purer, whiter (thinking of the obvious example - Apple products).

Your ads are a little "busy" as well so may be best to strip away the background binary and replace with something more simple so your customer's eyes are immediately drawn to the products on offer.

Could you not perhaps get some flash work done by a friend or a contact so your products can smoothly zip by rather than trying to cram in lots of still images of PCs and software packages?

In terms of font I think the last pic you've listed nails it better, much easier to read than the bright green ones.

Really good work all the same, just a few things to maybe consider?

Hope that helps,

NR
Posted: Fri, 14th Nov 2008, 12:32am

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No Respite Productions wrote:

Okaaaaay.

Whilst it's better than anything I could ever do, it's a little "80s" in it's style. Maybe try some more modern and contemporary designs - slicker, purer, whiter (thinking of the obvious example - Apple products).

Your ads are a little "busy" as well so may be best to strip away the background binary and replace with something more simple so your customer's eyes are immediately drawn to the products on offer.

Could you not perhaps get some flash work done by a friend or a contact so your products can smoothly zip by rather than trying to cram in lots of still images of PCs and software packages?

In terms of font I think the last pic you've listed nails it better, much easier to read than the bright green ones.

Really good work all the same, just a few things to maybe consider?

Hope that helps,

NR
Thanks man. i appreciate your thoughts, and I will work on it now and post a new one later. Thank you for your quick response! smile
Posted: Fri, 14th Nov 2008, 12:57am

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Yeah, I echo what NRP said - you *really* need to learn the basics of design.

Neither of those adverts, nor any of the banners, looks professional in any sense. They're too busy, there's no real focal point to the images, the text is all over the shop, the palette is too varied and doesn't tie together, some of the masking/edging is very poor, the text is too hard to read... the list goes on!

I'm not trying to be overly harsh, but you should get some books on basic graphic design, or start reading up about it on the web.

Here's some great tutorials from GoMedia, that cover some of the basic 'rules' of graphic design -

1: Limit your Fonts
2: Limit your Colours
3: Contrast, Contrast, Contrast!
4: Spacing is your friend
5: Add depth

Hope these help smile

Cheers,
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Posted: Fri, 14th Nov 2008, 2:00am

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Arktic wrote:

Yeah, I echo what NRP said - you *really* need to learn the basics of design.

Neither of those adverts, nor any of the banners, looks professional in any sense. They're too busy, there's no real focal point to the images, the text is all over the shop, the palette is too varied and doesn't tie together, some of the masking/edging is very poor, the text is too hard to read... the list goes on!

I'm not trying to be overly harsh, but you should get some books on basic graphic design, or start reading up about it on the web.

Here's some great tutorials from GoMedia, that cover some of the basic 'rules' of graphic design -

1: Limit your Fonts
2: Limit your Colours
3: Contrast, Contrast, Contrast!
4: Spacing is your friend
5: Add depth

Hope these help smile

Cheers,
Arktic.
Wow great links! Thanks
Posted: Fri, 14th Nov 2008, 2:03am

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I quickly photoshopped this:


A little more basic
Posted: Fri, 14th Nov 2008, 3:38am

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I think you should spend some time coming up with a simple logo to brand the ad a little better because it still looks a bit jumbled.
Posted: Fri, 14th Nov 2008, 6:39am

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The only one that is possibly salvageable in the second ad. Try adding some Gaussian blur to the background and limit the font selection. Even when using differing fonts together, they should still match and fit together.
Posted: Fri, 14th Nov 2008, 8:54am

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DVStudio - that new advert IS an improvement, but you've ignored most of the basic rules I posted about. The font selection is better but still not quite there, you still have too many colours, the space isn't used appropriately, nothing is aligned to a grid, the perspective is all wrong...

I don't know for sure, but I don't *think* you're a quick enough reader to have gone out, bought a book on design, studied it in depth and re-designed that ad.

I'm not going to give you any more feedback until you take my earlier advice: LEARN THE BASICS!

Cheers,
Arktic.
Posted: Fri, 14th Nov 2008, 8:59am

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You need to focus more on what you're actually trying to advertise.

In your latest image, for example, you've got 4 different computers. Why? What does having 4 do that having just 1 wouldn't? Two of the computers have keyboards and a mouse, while the bottom two don't. One of them has a couple of speakers (pointing in odd directions), the rest don't. In the middle there's a bunch of Microsoft boxes.

Try thinking about your advert in terms of a very, very basic story. When a customer looks at an advert there needs to be three things going on:

1. Something to catch their eye in the first place. Your third image doesn't do this, because it's just a bunch of random boring computers. Your first advert catches your eye slightly due to having a CG cityscape, but the fact it is such basic CG and that it is SO, SO GREY, means that it loses your eye just as quickly. Your second image certainly catches your eye with the 01010101010101 tunnel, but it also completely overwhelms.

2. After catching their eye, you need to give them some information about the product. This doesn't have to be tons of text, but there needs to be something that they can get their teeth into. None of these adverts really do that, as they don't have a focal point. The third one at least gets the point over that it's something to do with computers, but it's still pretty vague. At this point you also need to be showing what's unique about your product/service. Why use you and not someone else?

3. They need to know when, where and how. A slightly dodgy and unofficial website doesn't do that, and doesn't inspire confidence.


As Arktic says, read up on some design basics. You need to know those before you do anything further, really. Check out how other big companies advertise products to see what they do (and what they don't do!).
Posted: Fri, 14th Nov 2008, 10:56am

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Thank you all very much. Some really great advice! I have to leave for school soon, but I am going to work on the new one tonight.

Artic- I will read the lnks you posted more carefully.
Posted: Fri, 14th Nov 2008, 11:39am

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Aside from the design issues that everyone else has raised, I think you probably need to consider general marketing issues a little more too.

For example: "PC Galaxy Every Time!" doesn't mean anything, grammatically. Having read it back to myself several times, I honest do not know what it means. Each of the words means something on their own, but together it actually sounds like nonsense. Is the company called "PC Galaxy Every Time", or are you suggesting that each customer gets a metaphorical "Galaxy" of options "Every Time" they visit?

Try and imagine how the customer feels when they read your adverts. If the phrase doesn't mean anything, you can't expect them to be drawn in to your product. On the contrary, many people would assume a nonsense name means you have a nonsense product.

Secondly, please provide me with a list of reputable internet businesses who don't have their own domain name. Can't find any? Thats because broadly speaking, its unprofessional to use free hosting domain names such as yours. Your products are meant to be quality right? So if you can't even be bothered to buy a proper domain name, what does that suggest about the real quality of your products?

Lets be clear here: you're setting yourself up as a PC vendor. Have you any concept of how much competition there is out there in that market? Your website is competing against the likes of amazon.com, dabs.com, scan.co.uk, ebuyer.com etc etc.

Anyone remotely clever, whos looking to buy a computer, will research their options. They'll visit several sites and probably load each site into a tab in their browser. They'll then spent some time attempting to narrow down their choices.

They'll start with really wide, vague reasons eg: Does the site seem well layed-out? Can they find what they're after? Does the business seem reputable?...and end with very subtle, critical reasons eg: carriage costs, hidden extras, a couple of months more warranty etc.

At present your site is going to fall at the first hurdle: the designs look poor, you haven't even invested in your own domain name, and you haven't designed your brand at all.

Tell me: why should I, or any other customer, trust your business with my money, given the design of your site and adverts, when compared with the competition?

If you can't answer that, you probably need to spend several more months planning and designing.
Posted: Fri, 14th Nov 2008, 2:37pm

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I think the "if you can think it we can make it" is a little cheesy. How about "Our only limits are YOUR imagination"?
Posted: Fri, 14th Nov 2008, 2:45pm

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drspin98 wrote:

I think the "if you can think it we can make it" is a little cheesy. How about "Our only limits are YOUR imagination"?
That's pretty cheesy too. Trust me, I've used it a few times in FXhome advertising over the years. razz

The problem with either of those taglines when in the context of building computers is that they're not actually true. Computers have fairly specific and limiting requirements.

For example, you can't build me a quantum machine built of cheese and powered entirely by antlers. That's what I can think of. smile

Although taglines are inevitably simplified and often over-the-top, they still have to be relevant/plausible, otherwise people will dismiss it as groundless hyperbole.
Posted: Fri, 14th Nov 2008, 3:51pm

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What exactly is it you're trying to do anyways? Are you trying to offer a service? Looking or customers?
Ads? Ads for what? What should make people even interested in your site/ service / whateveryouwannaadvertise?

All I get from these banners is that, as others have stated, you have little to no knowledge in design, graphics work or advertising. The banners look pretty bad. Obviously, bad banners are not good advertising.

So I wonder, what is the purpuse of the ads? What are you ultimately trying to achieve?
Posted: Fri, 14th Nov 2008, 8:43pm

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Thanks for the advise guys. I will work on the ads tonight and hopefully have something good by morning.

The webite is still in the designing phase (although our advice and forums are running) but the actual company and the sales aren't quite up and running. We will be purchasing a domain soon, and getting the business started! smile

The ads are to eventually send out to potential customers and to bgin to attract people.

P.S. Is the white background the best?
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The white background is an improvement over the first designs. However, this is because it is simple and doesn't draw attention away from the foreground, not specifically because it is white.

What background is best will depend on what design choices you make in the layout, color scheme, and other design choices you make to support what your ad is trying to say, as well as personal preference. There isn't a single 'best' background or background color.
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Customers for what? What are you offering? I can't read from these ads what kind of service you want to provide.
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DVStudio wrote:

Thanks for the advise guys. I will work on the ads tonight and hopefully have something good by morning.

The webite is still in the designing phase (although our advice and forums are running) but the actual company and the sales aren't quite up and running. We will be purchasing a domain soon, and getting the business started! smile

The ads are to eventually send out to potential customers and to bgin to attract people.

P.S. Is the white background the best?
What are you selling? Could you link the site? We might be able to give you more help.
Posted: Fri, 14th Nov 2008, 10:15pm

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Sollthar wrote:

Customers for what? What are you offering? I can't read from these ads what kind of service you want to provide.
Neither can I. I was about to ask the same exact thing.
Posted: Fri, 14th Nov 2008, 10:36pm

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I will correct this. I am slammed with HW tonight, but will work on it later.

Basically (again, this is the quick version) the site offers ideas and help to PC users. We go from basic things (we go from security and programs to tweaking, building computers yourself and performance enhancing for PCs).We have forums for computer questions and we also sell custom built gaming computers that can have up to intel core 2 quad and 16 GB of RAM.
Posted: Fri, 14th Nov 2008, 10:50pm

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DVStudio wrote:

I will correct this. I am slammed with HW tonight, but will work on it later.
Take a break! Its Friday! wink
Posted: Fri, 14th Nov 2008, 11:31pm

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mikeh wrote:

DVStudio wrote:

I will correct this. I am slammed with HW tonight, but will work on it later.
Take a break! Its Friday! wink
Yeah I know. TGIF! smile

I am simply juggling too much. School, social life, a failing realtionship, fixing my Invasion film, and setting up a business for fun (hence the ads) contemplating the meaning of life.. you know, your basic weekend stuff smile. Sorry guys don't mean to vent...
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How's this?
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Better, fonts a little iffy, and can you better quality pictures of the computers?
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Sure thing, I'll fix the fonts and get the better pics. Thanks for the response.

How was the background on it? I changed it from the white b/c it was too boring.
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I wouldn't say white is boring. Having white backgrounds is a whole design trend that looks ultra professional and modern. I think Apple really started the whole trend. Look at the FXHome website, or Apple, or tons of modern sites. Using just white seems incredibly simple, yet genius. Shades of white and gray can do alot.
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Thanks. You're right Mike. Apple sure has pulled it off in their ads (TV and Web)


Better? I fixed fonts, colors, and the pictures
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Much better, the pics are 100 times better. Maybe lining up the statements, and changing them to white? Just ideas, wink
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Where exactly is this ad going to go? It doesn't seem to be any sort of standard size. I think I might open up PS and see if I can't give something like this a go.



Alright so here's just something that might be good for a banner ad or something. I think what you need to first look at is what kind of ad you want to make first. Is it a mailer type ad your going to hand out, is it an ad you bought for a 400x80 banner ad? What is it.
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sfbmovieco's logo design is pretty good, and I really like the change you did with the background, very serene and professional looking. Good work so far!
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You make Photoshop look like MS Paint. Stop chucking images in (terrible looking ones at that) and start taking on board what Arktic et al went to detailed lengths to tell you.

sfbmovieco's logo is definitely in the right direction. But as people keep on asking you, what's the purpose of these ads?

Are they going on YOUR website?
Are you going to post them on other websites?
Are you going to print them off as leaflets?

-what?
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Okay,
I am going to be sending them to customers and it is going to go on my website too. I am also going to make a smaller banner to put after my emails and on here. Nice pic SBMovieCo! smile
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I really think you should get someone else to design things for you.

When this topic first started I was hopeful that with everyone's great suggestions, you'd go away for a week or two and come back with something markedly improved, but instead you've iterated your design with totally ineffectual changes over just 12 hrs and completely missed some glaring but elementary issues.

Not being a designer is nothing to be ashamed about - after all, if you were one you'd be selling images not computers - so I'd suggest that you let someone who is one, do the design work for you.

All your designs up to the latest one display a complete lack of fundamental design knowledge. It will takes the participants of this thread months of help to get you up to a standard where your adverts would improve your sales. At present they'd probably cause a drop in sales.

No one has months to spare to help you and i'm sure you could be doing more with your time like planning your business.
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Xcession wrote:

I really think you should get someone else to design things for you.

When this topic first started I was hopeful that with everyone's great suggestions, you'd go away for a week or two and come back with something markedly improved, but instead you've iterated your design with totally ineffectual changes over just 12 hrs and completely missed some glaring but elementary issues.

Not being a designer is nothing to be ashamed about - after all, if you were one you'd be selling images not computers - so I'd suggest that you let someone who is one, do the design work for you.

All your designs up to the latest one display a complete lack of fundamental design knowledge. It will takes the participants of this thread months of help to get you up to a standard where your adverts would improve your sales. At present they'd probably cause a drop in sales.

No one has months to spare to help you and i'm sure you could be doing more with your time like planning your business.
I gotta agree. I really haven't seen a lick of improvement in your designs yet. You keep rehashing the same thing. Trust me, it will only hurt your business if you show someone those adverts. Sfbmovieco's has given you an example that you really should pay attention to, sir.
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Hahaha I love how it plays "We will Rock you" on your homepage.

Really take into account what everyone is saying. They have given great advice.
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Thank you for all of the spectacular help so far. I have just had a good idea nad decided to post the image here:

So, how is this one?
I kind of went for the look of ads like dell and fujitsu and tried to make it more of a professional ad (the ...PC Galaxy recommends vista home premium.

I will now get to work on banner, but am going to take much more time with it and will make it as good as possible before I post it.

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Well, first off, you need to spell everything properly on your ad. Secondly, it's still rough composition wise, and not to mention, why does it say that "PC galaxy recommends windows vista home premium"? What does that have to do with selling computers?
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I still think you need to decide on a size. All of your ads have been different sizes. And the first thing I see is the line saying you recommend Vista. You need something to catch people and bring them in.

I'm definitely not going to say this is perfect, I have no schooling at all in this business...But maybe take a look at this point of purchase poster I made for a wakeboard/boat company:



There's a big title bring people in, it has a decent flow to it...things like that.

Ultimately here's what I think you need to do:

- Decide on sizes. If you're going to have a hand out ad then look online for standard sizing for that kind of ad.

- The next time you come up with a new ad...Make it, then don't look at it for a day. The next day come back to it, work on it, then put it away for another day. Do this for like a week/2 weeks.

You must be a glutton for punishment after continuing to bring the ads back here so soon. I know you may not feel like you are rushing but you are. So take some time and go through the process.
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Although the ads are getting better, it really doesn't seem like you read the links or advice that has been posted. The background is busy, and the pictures of the computers are low quality. If I must be honest, the ads look like a scam site to me.

Its been said before, you need to take more time with what you do.
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Okay, i fixed the spelling mistakes at least


This is what I was talking about with the computer ads and the recommending vista home premium.
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That's not their advertisement though, that's on their website. That statement would be good for on your website.
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And they get paid by Microsoft to do that.
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mikeh wrote:

And they get paid by Microsoft to do that.
True. But aren't all the companies in it for the $$$$?
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I think what he was saying is that why would you put that on your ad when you aren't getting paid to do so. Do you, as a person who builds computers actually recommend Vista, or are you saying that because that's what Dell puts on their website?
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My point is it is valuable space, and really serves no purpose. Unless Microsoft is paying you, it isnt necessary. Also, I'm assuming your target audience is people who want custom PCs. If they want a custom one, would they really care what PC Galaxy likes?

Instead of directing your customer's attention there, why not direct it to what PC Galaxy can off the customer.
Posted: Sun, 16th Nov 2008, 2:42pm

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True, but I think that Vista is the best choice for the computers that we offer. We recommend Vista Premium for enhanced media and the built in features it comes with (DVD Maker, media center, ect.)
Posted: Sun, 16th Nov 2008, 3:04pm

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You must not have understood my point. You can recommend Vista on the page where you are selling your computers. But if your trying to gain new customers, it isn't worth putting on an advertisement. The point of an ad is to draw in people's attention.

We have to assume that almost nobody knows about your computer company. Almost everyone knows DELL, so they can use advertising space like that. What you need is to draw in people. If you read the links posted, you would know that drawing people in is done by making certain things have more contrast, saturation etc.. and by using a fancy font mixed with a plain one. Another way is by limiting the information. The main goal of an online ad is to attract peoples attention to your site, and from there they get the necessary information.

What is your audience? I think many people have abandoned this thread simply because they don't know who your trying to sell computers to. Look at Dell....their small business ads are completely different from their personal use ads. If you tell us your audience it will make it a whole lot easier for us to help you.

I was in no way saying whether XP or Vista is the right choice. Also, it seems like a rip off on sfbmovieco's ad with the stars in all. Good luck!
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on your website:
get rid of the clock following my mouse around
get rid of all signs that says under construction
get rid of the counter

those are horribe horrible mistakes to have in a web site today. they were even mistakes in the 90s. for real. after that start applying everything youve learned about readability and contrast from the ad-design links to your website.
blue text on yellow background which sits on top of brown background is not sexy.
then fix your navigation top bar. right now it is a chaos bar instead of navigation bar smile
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Some other things:

You advertise gaming PCs, yet none of the GFX Cards on your site are suitable gaming cards.

And.....

"Why cash in advance? We need this so that we can order the parts and get it shipped to you faster. The money can be sent by check to:"
NO! This is a huge no no! You can't anymore. No one will trust you, and seriously, why would anyone send cash through a freewebs site to a small computer company? That just screams scam (not saying you are, but think realistically)
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mikeh wrote:

Some other things:

You advertise gaming PCs, yet none of the GFX Cards on your site are suitable gaming cards.

And.....

"Why cash in advance? We need this so that we can order the parts and get it shipped to you faster. The money can be sent by check to:"
NO! This is a huge no no! You can't anymore. No one will trust you, and seriously, why would anyone send cash through a freewebs site to a small computer company? That just screams scam (not saying you are, but think realistically)
Yeah, good point. This site at first started out for family members and friends so it was okay, but now I will change that as I have expanded the market for customers.

By the way, I fixed the website a bit.
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yes thats a good step in the right direction smile

now, how about:
only 1 font for the main text
2 text colors max (i am cointing 9 right now)
dont centre any text. it makes it harder to read, the eye wants to jump down to a line thats starts at the same spot as the previous one.

colored text are for links and fireworks stands smile

you also use underlined text for emphasis on some pages, underlines also suggest links

smile
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Will be fixing that. Thanks for the help man!smile
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WTF - cracking passwords? Are you serious?

Have you really considered how that appears to customers? Would you feel safe buying from someone clearing running a business from their bedroom, who advocated password cracking? What software might they have installed on your brand new computer? And talk about mixed messages: you're attempting to sell PC security software on the same site!

Next, you need to remove everything that implies you don't know what you're doing: Suggestions - Why? no one should need to suggest how to run your business better better. Comments - Why? What personal comments would any sane customer wish to identify themselves with on a public comments system?

"Sorry no right-click allowed?" thats a shame. I wanted to use the right-click menu to copy and paste some of your website's text and show a friend who was interested in purchasing from you...oh well, I guess he'll visit Dell too.

"Building a PC" Just what kind of business are you running here? Coca Cola would love to hear from you about revealing your best-kept secrets. Doesn't it strike you as a bit silly to give people the information required to not need your services?

"Operating systems" Yes, there are many OSes out there for PCs. I'd like linux on my computer. How could you help me?

Hotlinking images: someone setting up computers is expected to be remotely net-savvy. Hotlinking (the act of using an someone else's content, off servers they pay for, for your own business) really ought to be illegal. Just count yourself lucky someone hasn't replaced those images with something horrific.

Next up: how about a proper logo? A brand. An image your customers will come to trust in its own right, as much as they do the McDonald's "Golden Arches".

As JornLavoll has pointed out ("coloured text is for links and firework stands" - brilliant!) you need to reduce your font numbers (3, max) and colour numbers.

Shades of brown - Is that really the colour of modernity, top of the range technology, security, trustworthiness and honest prices? I was sure it was the colour of the 80s.

Theres so much more to comment on, it really is the tip of the iceberg.
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I'm really starting to think you're kidding DVstudio. There are so many absolutely obvious issues on the website and with the ads/business plan, it's incredible.


EDIT:

Fruityloops (The music software) used this software to create their site

http://www.ezgenerator.com/LP/fl2ezgen.html

If you want to make a proper site without the skills you clearly lack, I'd say opt for this. It's got a built in wizard that allows you to set up a clean, simple site with paypal integration and such. I think it's a fast and simple fix for you.
Posted: Mon, 17th Nov 2008, 2:32am

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I fixed the design template and the logo. I must say the site looks a bit better myself.