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Jar Jar to the Rescue

Posted: Mon, 17th Nov 2008, 9:39pm

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Well, just when I thought The Clone Wars was getting good... Lucas has to pull this. Seriously, do they think it's a good idea?

I really don't understand how they came up with this idea. The movie was iffy, but the episodes are pretty good, especially Rookies. But now... Jar Jar?

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Posted: Mon, 17th Nov 2008, 10:20pm

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Proof that Lucas really has no clue what made his original story concept appeal to people to begin with. My opinion of George Lucas is lower than my opinon of George W. Bush. I'm truly surprised he doesn't have Inidana Jones show up through a "Time Warp" or tunnel into another dimension that that he found in the Crystal Skull! Look Kids! Two of your favorite heroes fighting side by side! Indy and Jar Jar!!!

WHOOOOPPPPPPPPPPPEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
Posted: Mon, 17th Nov 2008, 10:21pm

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The real question is, does anybody still care?

Honestly, Star Wars is over. Leave it be, man. It's a show for kids. Kids like Jar Jar, mostly. So chill out.
Posted: Mon, 17th Nov 2008, 10:34pm

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ben3308 wrote:

The real question is, does anybody still care?

Honestly, Star Wars is over. Leave it be, man. It's a show for kids. Kids like Jar Jar, mostly. So chill out.
I disagree, I think their could still be a new surge of Star Wars fans, if Lucas was smart enough to take it in the right direction.
Posted: Mon, 17th Nov 2008, 11:55pm

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Which is?
Posted: Tue, 18th Nov 2008, 12:10am

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Which is?
Exactly what he's doing, except possibly for Friday. The seven episodes have been awesome. The 22 minute animation format is a cool way to tell the story of the Clone Wars. It has been a little kiddie, with stupid droids and such, but nothing like fart jokes or anything. The episode, Rookies, shows the real potential of the series. It was really well done, with a great plot, action, and visuals. If anyone has time, I recommend checking it out here. It's about a group of inexperienced clones defending an outpost from droid attack.

It's just with this upcoming Jar Jar episode, I have to wonder what George was thinking. But maybe he'll outsmart us all, and in this episode kill off Jar Jar, and then digitally remove him from his one scene in Episode III for the Star Wars Deluxe Blu-ray release. razz
Posted: Tue, 18th Nov 2008, 12:16am

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It wouldn't hurt to make a new film, completely unrelated to the events in the other ones.
Posted: Tue, 18th Nov 2008, 12:27am

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mikeh wrote:

It wouldn't hurt to make a new film, completely unrelated to the events in the other ones.
Lucas has said he's reluctant to go beyond the Anakin Skywalker timeline. He says there's no story there, and he's right (a lot of the books are ridiculous). While I doubt we'll see a movie dealing with anything past Anakin's death, I wouldn't rule out a movie happening in the time period before. He's been preparing a live-action show between ep. 3 and 4, and he said something about having multiple shows at once, with the possibility of a Kotor show down the road.
Posted: Tue, 18th Nov 2008, 12:35am

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Yeah I heard that too, and I think it's gonna be amazing, or a massive failure. In between 3 and 4 is what i had in mind.
Posted: Tue, 18th Nov 2008, 3:12am

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Hmmmm... I'm beginning to think this is a joke. Just found out that Kevin Rubio (director of TROOPS) is credited for writing this episode...
Posted: Tue, 18th Nov 2008, 4:26am

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Wait, are people still talking about the Clone Wars?........

That's funny.


*disregards the topic*
Posted: Tue, 18th Nov 2008, 4:36am

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Jabooza wrote:

Wait, are people still talking about the Clone Wars?........
Ummm... Yeah, it's a good show. Movie=meh. Show=good. And what do you mean by "still", there have only been seven episodes. razz Anyhow, I feel obligated to post something Star Wars once in awhile just to get people going. razz
Posted: Tue, 18th Nov 2008, 7:18am

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There are three other books, and it seems completly ridiculus that he wouldn't film them because of the timeline of Anikan- they are part of the story.
Posted: Tue, 18th Nov 2008, 8:22am

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The show is for kids, what do you expect?
Posted: Tue, 18th Nov 2008, 4:44pm

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best use of Jar Jar-




Jar Jar Tartar anyone?
Posted: Tue, 18th Nov 2008, 9:42pm

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SilverDragon7 wrote:

There are three other books, and it seems completly ridiculus that he wouldn't film them because of the timeline of Anikan- they are part of the story.
Which three books? The Heir to the Empire series? There's a lot more books than that. In fact, there are hundreds. However, in Lucas's own world, non of that stuff happens. While he does approve the books (making them canon), in his mind, he doesn't believe any of these events occur. The only story he thinks is worth telling is the Anakin timeline. There are no other parts of the story that he thinks are worth his time to tell.

And he's right too. The stuff they make up for the books is ridiculous. Ready for this?:

The Empire lingers awhile before completely collapsing. Then, an evil alien species invades the galaxy, creating a massive war. In this war, tons of people are killed, including Han/Leia's son, Anakin, and Chewie. Soon after this war subsides, Han/Leia's other son, Jacen, turns to the darkside, and kills Luke's wife, Boba Fett's daughter, and countless others before he is killed by his own sister, Jaina, Han/Leia's only remaining child.

There's a reason why there will never be an Episode VII. smile
Posted: Tue, 18th Nov 2008, 9:49pm

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As you said, there are hundreds of books. Some are fantastic. Have you read the Heir to the Empire series? You have to admit, it is possible to create a story worth telling in that universe.
Posted: Tue, 18th Nov 2008, 11:07pm

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God, you guys are such nerds. biggrin

Assuming all this prerequisite knowledge about Star Wars when, in reality, most everyone either doesn't care or has already let the franchise go. It's like the Sopranos, man: it's over. Find a new show.
Posted: Wed, 19th Nov 2008, 12:22am

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i think the animated star wars the clone wars series is fantastic...bit childish, but it is pretty damn well done...and I have to admit...those droids are really funny, and make me laugh quite a lot..oh lord, how i have missed cartoon network stuff biggrin i remember the good old days of "johnny bravo" and "dexters laboratory"...and ofcourse "two stupid dogs"...all time favourite shows on CN...

but lets get back to SW... I didnt know that the movie was the pilot to a series...for a movie I thought it was technically quite weak...but for a series, it is friggen amazing. I thought the series was a myth, and that it would be a live action series (which I considered would go terribly wrong)...but I think that going 3D is the right thing to do...Star Wars is just such an unforgettable adventure that every kid enjoyed...and I think the Saga will live forever...

"Exsqueeeeze me" jar jar binks is a legend !!!

I also think filming 3 new Episodes would be kinda cool...leia discovering her powers...palpatine rising again...new sith lords...why not...or atleast expand the clone wars series to galactic civil war era...something....more SW...give me more SW biggrin biggrin

Freak out !
Posted: Wed, 19th Nov 2008, 12:42am

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February:

Ben3308 wrote:

When my brother bought the DVD, I sighed and called him a nerd. But Clone Wars was actually really good. By making general, wrong statements about it and saying you still won't watch it (yet continuing to criticize) you're only further proving ignorance

Ben3308 wrote:

I'm willing to have more of an open mind on the animated series.

Clone Wars is done like a Japanese-influenced "The Good, The Bad, and the Ugly", and I like it.
November 18th:

Ben3308 wrote:

in reality, most everyone either doesn't care or has already let the franchise go. It's like the Sopranos, man: it's over. Find a new show.
Why the change in heart? Have you seen some of the new show and not liked it? Back in February, a lot of people were excited about this:

Evman wrote:

The original trilogy reigns supreme, but this new show seems like a really awesome way to keep the mythology going.

Atom wrote:

I don't know about anyone else, but this looks absolutely badass. Exactly how I would do a Star Wars prequel. Cool stylization and grading.

So... excluding the Jar Jar thing, what do people think of it now?
Posted: Wed, 19th Nov 2008, 9:28pm

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Whoever said Lucas should make the next three movies... I really want to rate you down. God. No. Just. No. George Lucas has defiled his own work with CGI, and it makes me sick that bull like this is actually seeing light.

I'm tired of over-CGI-ed, campy, silly, un-dramatic, content, and I pray, oh, I pray that Lucas does by example of Star Trek and gives the series to JJ Abrams to restore what was once the peak of Sci-Fi. Just do it, George.


Please?
Posted: Wed, 19th Nov 2008, 9:42pm

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Serpent wrote:

As you said, there are hundreds of books. Some are fantastic. Have you read the Heir to the Empire series? You have to admit, it is possible to create a story worth telling in that universe.
I believe the three he was referring to were the three other scripts that Lucas wrote, and had intended to make. Yep, Heir to the Empire's great. It's actually where I got my name...
Posted: Wed, 19th Nov 2008, 11:07pm

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Thrawn wrote:

Serpent wrote:

As you said, there are hundreds of books. Some are fantastic. Have you read the Heir to the Empire series? You have to admit, it is possible to create a story worth telling in that universe.
I believe the three he was referring to were the three other scripts that Lucas wrote, and had intended to make.
Lucas never wrote three more episodes. Or at least that's what he's claiming now. Supposedly, he wrote one movie, which was basically the entire Original Trilogy. When he realized it was too much, he made the first third into "Star Wars". When it became so successful, he decided to finish the "trilogy", and he came up with the plot for the prequels. he says there was never an "Episode VII" I think he contradicts himself when he talks about this though, so who knows what is true? smile
Posted: Wed, 19th Nov 2008, 11:44pm

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ben3308 wrote:

God, you guys are such nerds. biggrin

Assuming all this prerequisite knowledge about Star Wars when, in reality, most everyone either doesn't care or has already let the franchise go. It's like the Sopranos, man: it's over. Find a new show.
It's about time someone's finally pointed that out.
Posted: Thu, 20th Nov 2008, 12:07am

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Glad he pointed out we're nerds, or that we should find a new show? smile

I'm wondering why people seem to be criticizing this show now or saying nobody cares, when back in February, everyone (except for Jabooza) was excited about it. If you're going to say, "SW is over, and nobody cares, at least tell me why." razz

EDIT: Heh, I do sound like a huge SW nerd.

EDIT 2: Abrams would be an awesome choice to direct the live-action series. He's said he's always been more of a Star Wars fan than he is a Star Trek fan.
Posted: Thu, 20th Nov 2008, 3:10am

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jawajohnny wrote:

Glad he pointed out we're nerds, or that we should find a new show? smile
Both. biggrin

I don't care that there's a lot of Star Wars fans, I just think it's an insult to Star Wars itself to even consider The Clone Wars as being a part of Star Wars.
But that's just me, I suppose.
Posted: Tue, 25th Nov 2008, 5:05am

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Don't quote me, jawajohnny. You've proved time and time again your lack of generally 'good taste' in movies as well as your unflinching allegiance to Lucas' work.

I said Clone Wars looked badass, as in the animation style. I only said this because people were ragging on the stylized "poor" look of the movie, which I instead attributed to the stylized, Samurai Jack-ish style of the original series.

That doesn't mean I have any interest in the series anymore. Just wanna throw that out there. Oh, and nice Forgetting Sarah Marshall Reference, Ben. wink
Posted: Tue, 25th Nov 2008, 5:34am

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I really loved the X-Wing series by Michael A. Stackpole written a while ago. I think that could work very, very well as a mini-series.
Posted: Tue, 25th Nov 2008, 5:41am

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Atom wrote:

Don't quote me, jawajohnny. You've proved time and time again your lack of generally 'good taste' in movies as well as your unflinching allegiance to Lucas' work.

I said Clone Wars looked badass, as in the animation style. I only said this because people were ragging on the stylized "poor" look of the movie, which I instead attributed to the stylized, Samurai Jack-ish style of the original series.

That doesn't mean I have any interest in the series anymore. Just wanna throw that out there. Oh, and nice Forgetting Sarah Marshall Reference, Ben. wink
I gotcha Atom wink. When I quoted you (and a few others), I was just trying to prove that the series isn't necessarily "bad" or moving in the wrong direction. I don't care if you're interested or not... your approval of the style serves as an argument in favor of the series.

Truth be told, you (and any other non-hardcore SW fans) shouldn't be interested in this; it's moved beyond five-minute clips into more story-based episodes that aren't worth your time. I just take offense to people who voice their strong disapproval without giving the series a chance. (I'm not talking about Ben)

EDIT: I picked up one of the Legacy of the Force books and after a minute threw it down. Shame on everyone involved in that series. The Force Unleashed book (and game) was excellent though.

And, the Jar Jar episode ended being not all that bad. The writer was able to place a lot of humor around Jar Jar, with C3P0 and the battle droids actually having some funny moments. smile
Posted: Tue, 25th Nov 2008, 12:08pm

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jawajohnny wrote:


Truth be told, you (and any other non-hardcore SW fans) shouldn't be interested in this; it's moved beyond five-minute clips into more story-based episodes that aren't worth your time. I just take offense to people who voice their strong disapproval without giving the series a chance. (I'm not talking about Ben)
There's a problem here, though. If you're going to create something new in an existing franchise and universe, it needs to be accessible to a new or at least general audience. Otherwise you're just peddling to, as you said, the established, hardcore fans. The problem is, those hardcore fans would've been and still can remain content, hardcore fans without the new series.

So really, if your aim is as narrow as them, as you claim it is, you're just waisting everybody's time on something of null interest. No one thinks these Star Wars continuations and extensions are horrid per se, just that they aren't necessary and- to a greater extent- that they have since lost their appeal to begin with.
Posted: Tue, 25th Nov 2008, 1:00pm

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I bet you could release 2 hours of blank, black screen and call it "Star Wars: The darkness" and you'd still have a ton of people watching it. wink
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Sollthar wrote:

I bet you could release 2 hours of blank, black screen and call it "Star Wars: The darkness" and you'd still have a ton of people watching it. wink
I would have preferred that to Phantom Menace or Indiana Jones and the Crystal Skull- How about "Indiana Jones and the Infinite Darkness" anyone? Lucas sucks.
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Jawajohnny, you seem to be taking the series a bit too seriously. To me, it isn't Star Wars, it's a random (stupid looking) cartoon on Cartoon Network (a network that, in my opinion, specializes in making the stupidest kiddy cartoons I've ever had to [unfortunately] realize existed). I highly doubt that it's designed to seriously further the story of Star Wars or contribute to the franchise in any way, it's designed to make money by appealing to little kids (simply because it's Star Wars) using its bizarre "humor." I don't see how anyone older than ten can honestly find The Clone Wars even slightly appealing.
I see it as being on the exact same level as Lego Star Wars.
Posted: Tue, 25th Nov 2008, 7:59pm

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Jabooza wrote:

To me, it isn't Star Wars, it's a random (stupid looking) cartoon on Cartoon Network (a network that, in my opinion, specializes in making the stupidest kiddy cartoons I've ever had to [unfortunately] realize existed)
Bite your tongue right now, my friend. You've obviously never seen what I would consider one of the best animated kid's shows ever made: Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends.
Posted: Tue, 25th Nov 2008, 9:56pm

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Jabooza wrote:

Jawajohnny, you seem to be taking the series a bit too seriously.
Not at all. smile I originally posted this topic because I knew some people here would find it funny... that they're actually making new material on Jar Jar. Then I tried to clarify that as a whole, the series is actually pretty good. Not that people care enough to watch it. smile

But yes, The Clone Wars is absolutely designed to contribute to the series. The series is considered canon right along with the movies. Lucas has always wanted to do a Saturday morning style cartoon, so he decided to use the that style to tell the stories of The Clone Wars. He funded it himself, and offered it to whoever wanted it (CN and TNT). It was basically a "gee this might be fun" idea that sidetracked him from what he actually wants to be doing.

Atom... the series does appeal to hardcore fans, but it is drawing in a lot of kids. It's like the Powerpuff girls, or any other cartoon. It's not designed for a massive, general audience. But I would imagine that the live-action show will generate a lot of new interest.
Posted: Wed, 26th Nov 2008, 12:02am

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Atom wrote:

Bite your tongue right now, my friend.
Never! biggrin
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Did you not hear me say Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends?!!!???

The show is possibly the most clever and childishly-funny cartoon ever!
Posted: Wed, 26th Nov 2008, 12:33am

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I always enjoyed the almost-profane Ren and Stimpy cartoons they made towards the end of their seasons run.
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Atom wrote:

Did you not hear me say Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends?!!!???

The show is possibly the most clever and childishly-funny cartoon ever!


AWESOMENESS!!!111