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what hdv canon camera sould i get

Posted: Sat, 6th Dec 2008, 7:33pm

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well with crismas comeing up i was wonudreing which i sould get and i not oney goning to include hv20 which isent the oney camera in the
world or something here are the choices.

hv20[http://www.usa.canon.com/app/images/camcorder/HV20.jpg]
hv30[http://www.usa.canon.com/app/images/camcorder/hv30.jpg]
hg20[http://www.usa.canon.com/app/images/camcorder/HG20/D130B.jpg]
hg21[http://www.usa.canon.com/app/images/camcorder/HG21/D130A.jpg]

what do you guys think.

edit: check the my new post

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Posted: Sat, 6th Dec 2008, 7:36pm

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HV20 is a decent camera, and the HV30 is a better one.


(Honestly, you're incapable of typing any better than THAT? I could barely read that paragraph)
Posted: Sat, 6th Dec 2008, 7:42pm

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Bryce007 wrote:




(Honestly, you're incapable of typing any better than THAT? I could barely read that paragraph)
i can but on the internet i try to hurry when i'm typing there i typed better.
Posted: Sat, 6th Dec 2008, 7:44pm

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I'm not trying to steal your topic, but I was just about to post something about the exact same cameras. The HG20 and HV30.

The HG uses a hard dirve, and As much as I know you use a USB cable to put that on your computer, and I have heard that this reduces quality a lot. Is there way around this? Maybe a firewire?

I don't really like to work with tape, but I will if the quality is better.
Posted: Sat, 6th Dec 2008, 7:50pm

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Henry701 wrote:

I'm not trying to steal your topic, but I was just about to post something about the exact same cameras. The HG20 and HV30.

The HG uses a hard dirve, and As much as I know you use a USB cable to put that on your computer, and I have heard that this reduces quality a lot. Is there way around this? Maybe a firewire?

I don't really like to work with tape, but I will if the quality is better.
well there is suport for a hd sd card and thats better qulitiy then both firewire and usb and its quicker and is not only
for photos and the hard drive can hold the video while you are trasfering the raw video on the card and also the camera is acvhd so its a higher qulity format to but you may need a mac with a video editer that suports it or take the hard drive out and put it in a hard drive dock for all of the video and even higher qulity.

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Posted: Sat, 6th Dec 2008, 8:09pm

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I think the consensus has been the HV30. The hard drive cameras in my mind still remain unproven and minidv tapes have a very solid track record.
Posted: Sat, 6th Dec 2008, 8:18pm

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I think the consensus has been the HV30. The hard drive cameras in my mind still remain unproven and minidv tapes have a very solid track record.
but the minidv tapes where in the days of the old and hard drives are in the days of the new and besides who ever heard of digital data on a tape.
Posted: Sat, 6th Dec 2008, 8:27pm

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What does that sentence even mean?

No offense, but you don't know at all what you're talking about. The recording and transfer processes for hard drive cameras are volatile and sloppy.

MiniDV is a trustworthy, stable format. It has been used so often and for so long primarily by virtue of the fact that it works, and works well. There's a difference between being on the forefront of technology and foolishly following what you assume is the cutting edge.

You honestly just sound really, really stupid. Like really stupid. It's fine to make a statement, but to say it as if you know you're right is just wrong.
Posted: Sat, 6th Dec 2008, 8:32pm

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ben3308 wrote:

What does that sentence even mean?

No offense, but you don't know at all what you're talking about. The recording and transfer processes for hard drive cameras are volatile and sloppy.

MiniDV is a trustworthy, stable format. It has been used so often and for so long primarily by virtue of the fact that it works, and works well. There's a difference between being on the forefront of technology and foolishly following what you assume is the cutting edge.

You honestly just sound really, really stupid. Like really stupid. It's fine to make a statement, but to say it as if you know you're right is just wrong.
oh im sorry and my last post the digital data one was a joke i do trust mini dv a lot just wondering what is better i just need a new camera and in real life im a realy nice person but i thoght you where one of the nice people on here and i know people make mistakes but i wasent trying to make me seem right because thats wroung.
Posted: Sat, 6th Dec 2008, 8:57pm

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Digital data is 1's and 0's. It either gets transferred to your computer or it doesn't.
Posted: Sat, 6th Dec 2008, 8:59pm

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sfbmovieco wrote:

Digital data is 1's and 0's. It either gets transferred to your computer or it doesn't.
oh i know what binary is i'm a computer geek.
Posted: Sat, 6th Dec 2008, 9:03pm

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now can we start talking about cameras instead of digital data i mean i'd like to talk about it but this is a camcorder thread not a computer one.
Posted: Sat, 6th Dec 2008, 9:09pm

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now from everybody hating on me this is less fun then i thoght it would be even people i thoght would be nice are hating on me. sad
Posted: Sat, 6th Dec 2008, 9:51pm

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Posting more than one post after the other is generally frowned upon. And you don't have to type fast, you're not in a race to post. People will respond better to you if you type properly with proper grammar and spelling - your posts have been difficult to read.

Comparing HDD with MiniDV is a valid issue to consider. Ben is right thought that as it stands, consumer HDD cams are not that great and so do not offer anything in the consumer market.

I personally have an interest in the Panasonic HMC150 which records AVCHD on memory cards you can buy very very cheap, but it's probably a bit above your price bracket.
Posted: Sat, 6th Dec 2008, 10:15pm

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Mellifluous wrote:


I personally have an interest in the Panasonic HMC150 which records AVCHD on memory cards you can buy very very cheap, but it's probably a bit above your price bracket.
you don't know my budgit i'm now starting to agree with ben to and i have looked at this forum for a while i din't mean to cause a agument.
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Well it is over 3 grand!

Personally I'm still keen on tape for most jobs - it has massive datarates compared with memory cards, and is archive-ready, and easy to swap out during a day's hard filming without needing a transfer device.
Posted: Sat, 6th Dec 2008, 11:32pm

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pdrg wrote:

Well it is over 3 grand!

Personally I'm still keen on tape for most jobs - it has massive datarates compared with memory cards, and is archive-ready, and easy to swap out during a day's hard filming without needing a transfer device.
yeah i din't know the price for a camera i would not spend that much but mayby with a computer.
Posted: Sun, 7th Dec 2008, 2:42am

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The next camera I purchase is definitely going to be flash-based or HD based. More than likely, it's going to be the HMC-150. I positively despise transferring from tape in realtime. Ugh.
Posted: Sun, 7th Dec 2008, 4:13am

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Honestly, awesome fist, you better ship-shape up that spelling/grammar/general posting.

Otherwise I'm just going to steer away from any topic you create completely; as they've got incomprehensible posts and ridiculous defenses of such.
Posted: Sun, 7th Dec 2008, 4:23am

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Atom wrote:

Honestly, awesome fist, you better ship-shape up that spelling/grammar/general posting.

Otherwise I'm just going to steer away from any topic you create completely; as they've got incomprehensible posts and ridiculous defenses of such.
i am and have you learned that you been getting off topic a lot and the thing hardly notices mistakes unless it's a proper noun.

ps: give me a break i'm new and you were new once to.
Posted: Sun, 7th Dec 2008, 4:59am

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I'll lay off you a little bit, but getting on your high horse about 'staying on topic' and then sideswiping other basics to posting (like spelling) and getting off topic yourself kinda irks some people, myself included.

But yes, because you're new, I'll try and cut you some more slack. Just know FXHome isn't a place for every single one of your small thoughts or musings. While it's fine to post what you want to, when you post everything you think of or want to say without planning or (once again) proper spelling- it all just looks annoying and crams the forum. Just a word of caution, there.
Posted: Sun, 7th Dec 2008, 1:00pm

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awesome fist productions wrote:

now can we start talking about cameras instead of digital data i mean i'd like to talk about it but this is a camcorder thread not a computer one.
And I would like you to use some punctuation other than the period key, but we can't have everything now can we?

Seriously, it doesn't take very long to type some capital letters, the occasional comma, I mean come on, humour me here.
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Disclaimer: this post is written by a dyslexic.

Everyone's laying on you because they all have a valid point. You're writing in a public forum where you expect your posts to get read by others. And if we have difficulty reading them, well...

Honestly, it takes little time to check what you write. It would be a nice courtesy to do that, rather than making little attacks every time someone criticises you.

Yes, this is off-topic but it appears you need this point ramming home. Not only would it be a nice courtesy to check what you write, but it would be a nice courtesy to listen to what other, older members of this forum are saying and act upon it - not trying to justify it.

Yes, you're new. Welcome. I hope you become a helpful and active member of the forums and enjoy your time here. You'll enjoy it more if you start acting less like a troll.

This'll be my last post in one of your topics until I start seeing grammar and punctuation. I care less about spelling and more about actual clear sentences.
Posted: Sun, 7th Dec 2008, 4:08pm

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Mellifluous wrote:

Disclaimer: this post is written by a dyslexic.
whats that suposed to mean.
Posted: Sun, 7th Dec 2008, 4:14pm

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awesome fist productions wrote:

Mellifluous wrote:

Disclaimer: this post is written by a dyslexic.
whats that suposed to mean.
Perhaps that despite being dyslexic the following post is still clear and concise, which is something that cannot be said about your posts.

And yet again we see you take the defensive position.
Posted: Sun, 7th Dec 2008, 4:32pm

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Mellifluous wrote:

Disclaimer: this post is written by a dyslexic.

Everyone's laying on you because they all have a valid point. You're writing in a public forum where you expect your posts to get read by others. And if we have difficulty reading them, well...

Honestly, it takes little time to check what you write. It would be a nice courtesy to do that, rather than making little attacks every time someone criticises you.

Yes, this is off-topic but it appears you need this point ramming home. Not only would it be a nice courtesy to check what you write, but it would be a nice courtesy to listen to what other, older members of this forum are saying and act upon it - not trying to justify it.

Yes, you're new. Welcome. I hope you become a helpful and active member of the forums and enjoy your time here. You'll enjoy it more if you start acting less like a troll.

This'll be my last post in one of your topics until I start seeing grammar and punctuation. I care less about spelling and more about actual clear sentences.
yeah i'm forgeting the all those things
i done and as you can see i starting over and i'm pretty active user on this foum i'm making posts a lot. but i will slow down on topics.
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awesome fist productions wrote:

Mellifluous wrote:

Disclaimer: this post is written by a dyslexic.

Everyone's laying on you because they all have a valid point. You're writing in a public forum where you expect your posts to get read by others. And if we have difficulty reading them, well...

Honestly, it takes little time to check what you write. It would be a nice courtesy to do that, rather than making little attacks every time someone criticises you.

Yes, this is off-topic but it appears you need this point ramming home. Not only would it be a nice courtesy to check what you write, but it would be a nice courtesy to listen to what other, older members of this forum are saying and act upon it - not trying to justify it.

Yes, you're new. Welcome. I hope you become a helpful and active member of the forums and enjoy your time here. You'll enjoy it more if you start acting less like a troll.

This'll be my last post in one of your topics until I start seeing grammar and punctuation. I care less about spelling and more about actual clear sentences.
yeah i'm forgeting the all those things
i done and as you can see i starting over and i'm pretty active user on this foum i'm making posts a lot. but i will slow down on topics.
You've only been on the forum for one day but whatever.
Posted: Tue, 9th Dec 2008, 8:18pm

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awesome fist productions wrote:

Mellifluous wrote:

Disclaimer: this post is written by a dyslexic.

Everyone's laying on you because they all have a valid point. You're writing in a public forum where you expect your posts to get read by others. And if we have difficulty reading them, well...

Honestly, it takes little time to check what you write. It would be a nice courtesy to do that, rather than making little attacks every time someone criticises you.

Yes, this is off-topic but it appears you need this point ramming home. Not only would it be a nice courtesy to check what you write, but it would be a nice courtesy to listen to what other, older members of this forum are saying and act upon it - not trying to justify it.

Yes, you're new. Welcome. I hope you become a helpful and active member of the forums and enjoy your time here. You'll enjoy it more if you start acting less like a troll.

This'll be my last post in one of your topics until I start seeing grammar and punctuation. I care less about spelling and more about actual clear sentences.
yeah i'm forgeting the all those things
i done and as you can see i starting over and i'm pretty active user on this foum i'm making posts a lot. but i will slow down on topics.
You certainly have posted allot over the last couple of days however a very high percentage of those posts have received a negative rating. Please just think before you post and you will be fine.
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If he keeps up the current pace, in less than two weeks he will have more negative ratings than Atom's 241.
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What's that supposed to mean, jawajohnny?
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Atom, you've received 241 negative ratings over four years. awesome fist is on pace to surpass your total in just a few days. I think that's pretty amazing. smile
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jawajohnny wrote:

Atom, you've received 241 negative ratings over four years. awesome fist is on pace to surpass your total in just a few days. I think that's pretty amazing. smile
You shouldn't say such things. Atom values all his negative points highly wink
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I know. wink I'd be a little disappointed if awesome fist takes away Atom's distinction. Especially since he probably doesn't really "get" the rating system, like Atom does.
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I think the fist's ritalin has worn off and he's gone onto the next forum now - god help 'creative crochet' or wherever it is... wink
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jawajohnny wrote:

I know. wink I'd be a little disappointed if awesome fist takes away Atom's distinction. Especially since he probably doesn't really "get" the rating system, like Atom does.
i know it but i'm not a gold user until i am i will ignore it.

update: when i get used to this website and i'm fully moved in and make some better videos. i won't be a burden.
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Interesting, Awesome Fist has 73 posts and 74 negative ratings. biggrin
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That statistic is getting better actually. Before, he had like 15 more negative ratings than actual posts.
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I still don't see why you need to even begin to compare me to awesome fist, jawajohnny. Especially with your newbie-with-entitlement attitude lately.

And it's been 5 years, buddy, and I got all those the first year. The second year I dreamed up a little big deal called Splinter Cell, and everything became gravy. biggrin
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We all love you Atom, nobody can deny it.
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Atom wrote:

I still don't see why you need to even begin to compare me to awesome fist, jawajohnny. Especially with your newbie-with-entitlement attitude lately.
So because you've been around here longer, you have more entitlement? The only difference between you two is that you're more famous/infamous around here wink . I also don't think that jawajohnny was attacking you (your post made it seem like you took it that way).

Regardless of your negative ratings, FXhome wouldn't have the same community without you, Atom.
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FreshMentos wrote:

Atom wrote:

I still don't see why you need to even begin to compare me to awesome fist, jawajohnny. Especially with your newbie-with-entitlement attitude lately.
So because you've been around here longer, you have more entitlement? The only difference between you two is that you're more famous/infamous around here wink . I also don't think that jawajohnny was attacking you (your post made it seem like you took it that way).

Regardless of your negative ratings, FXhome wouldn't have the same community without you, Atom.
And yet the same can be said for Awesome... wink
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The difference is though, awesome fist gets his negatives for being clueless, atom for being a rear entrance sometimes. wink

Now, let's get back on topic.
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Sometimes? razz
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Awesome-
If you run your posts through Word or Open Office or whatever word processor you use first, then people will back off. 10 seconds of copy-paste and Microsoft spell check can fiz it and you won't have to get evryone all upset. Also, it is not a race to post, take your time and just make it worth reading. If you don't take time to write it, should they be expected to take time to read it? This is mot unreasonable.

Just some thoughts.

I mean this in the nicest of ways. smile
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Oh, you guys. You think you're sooooo funny. biggrin
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CX3 wrote:

FreshMentos wrote:



Regardless of your negative ratings, FXhome wouldn't have the same community without you, Atom.
And yet the same can be said for Awesome... wink
Exactly! I mean, without Awesome Fist, I wouldn't have made that threa-- oh yeah, it was deleted..

Yes, fxhome, I still have hard feelings about that.. wink
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HV30

Fairly cheap at newegg

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16830120240
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awesome fist productions wrote:

sfbmovieco wrote:

I think the consensus has been the HV30. The hard drive cameras in my mind still remain unproven and minidv tapes have a very solid track record.
but the minidv tapes where in the days of the old and hard drives are in the days of the new and besides who ever heard of digital data on a tape.
Didn'y you make the thread asking about H DV cameras?
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... and besides who ever heard of digital data on a tape.
Can't believe I missed that first time around, I think I'd entered skim and ignore mode by then. Ahh well.

Who indeed has ever heard of digital data on tape? Form an orderly queue, please. wink
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pdrg wrote:

awesome fist productions wrote:

... and besides who ever heard of digital data on a tape.
Can't believe I missed that first time around, I think I'd entered skim and ignore mode by then. Ahh well.

Who indeed has ever heard of digital data on tape? Form an orderly queue, please. wink
yeah my point
the tape is not Digital but the camera is.

ps: i lost internet so i back biggrin
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Mate, we've been recording digital video data to tapes for a good 15 years, digital data in general since...well I remember doing it in 1980...we saved digital data to tapes before hard disks could fit in a sitting room.

To be honest, tape is a superior medium for digital data as the datarate is far higher than an equivelent sized disc, and with enormous capacity. For instance HDCAM-SR tapes store 440Mbps - with a 50 minute tape having approximately 150GB of storage - but when you need another 150GB, you slot in a new tape instead of having to sit and download everything instead of losing valuable shooting time! Even DV has a better data rate than AVCHD camcorders, which means lower compression, which is usually preferable for editing as you have more control over the finished item.

There will come a time when fully file-based recording will take over completely, you're right, but the technology is still too ropey. I see the PDW700 writes 50Mbps to optical discs - that's getting useful, but it's still way out of the domestic league. In the meantime, tape (with digital data!) is still the medium of preference smile

Hope that helped clarify things a bit
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pdrg wrote:

Mate, we've been recording digital video data to tapes for a good 15 years, digital data in general since...well I remember doing it in 1980...we saved digital data to tapes before hard disks could fit in a sitting room.

To be honest, tape is a superior medium for digital data as the datarate is far higher than an equivelent sized disc, and with enormous capacity. For instance HDCAM-SR tapes store 440Mbps - with a 50 minute tape having approximately 150GB of storage - but when you need another 150GB, you slot in a new tape instead of having to sit and download everything instead of losing valuable shooting time! Even DV has a better data rate than AVCHD camcorders, which means lower compression, which is usually preferable for editing as you have more control over the finished item.

There will come a time when fully file-based recording will take over completely, you're right, but the technology is still too ropey. I see the PDW700 writes 50Mbps to optical discs - that's getting useful, but it's still way out of the domestic league. In the meantime, tape (with digital data!) is still the medium of preference smile

Hope that helped clarify things a bit
i know all of that but it's hard to explain but it may seem strange but i understand what you were saying clearly
that the tape may seem non Digital but when you put it on the computer it process it into Digital data
but tape is more stable and the camera can fit Digital data on the manitic particles and playback head and when its on the tape and not hooked to anything its non Digital until you have a device that can turn it into Digital data.

ps: wow my brain just had one of those strange moments. eek
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eek
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mikeh wrote:

eek
lol lol you are starting to get funny except those rude jokes.
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awesome fist productions wrote:

ps: wow my brain just had one of those strange moments. eek
Stroke?

DV: Digital Video. MiniDV tape=Miniature digital video tape.

Information is processed onto the tapes as 0's and 1's. The data is then transferred to the computer. I think you ought to listen to pdrg a little more, or do a quick google search.
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Hey man have you taken into consideration the xha1? I recently purchased it and have nothing but just fantastic things to say about it.
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...camera can fit Digital data on the manitic particles and playback head and when its on the tape and not hooked to anything its non Digital until you have a device that can turn it into Digital data.
That's kinda true, what I think you're saying - you're saying (stop me if I'm wrong) that all magnetic media are inherently analogue as the polarization of the magnetic particles is done through a process of switching current off and on in a circuit? IE it is a variable flow of electrons, hence analogue. If that's what you're saying, yes you are right, but it's a bit more complicated than that -

Digital data is as you know just 1's and 0's - that's ALL it is, whether computer programme or video file. However in order to use those 1's and 0's (binary bits) we need to store them somewhere, so we use either magnetic tape, hard drive, memory card, punched cards, optical discs, floppy discs, and many other formats. Let's forget floppy discs, they're history. Likewise punched cards for now, despite them being very 'binary' - it's just too too much data for either.

Now it may feel like a hard drive is somehow less analogue than a tape - you put binary digital data into it, you read it off of it, but inside the hard drive are...magnetic discs and a tiny (well several tiny) heads - it's the exact same technology inside, just in a different shape. If you doubt that, run your hard drive through a strong magnet, you'll lose your data. In fact tapes are more rugged in terms of track width, moving parts, etc., and easier to fix too!

Whilst we're here, a quick peep at the other formats - optical discs (DVD/BluRay etc) store data as dents or pits on a layer of foil - yep you go via the very analogue medium of light waves to read (and write) them. Memory cards are electronic gates which retain certain positions by maintaining charges- a few electrons here and there - and back in the analogue world.

You see digital data is an abstract concept, it does not exist in nature, it is entirely man-made. Every time we want our clever concept to interact with the real (analogue) world, we have to find a way to represent it in simplified analogue terms (magnetic particle polarity, electrons in potential wells, dimples on a bit of foil, etc). Digital radio is a digital signal on top of an analogue carrier. Optical fibres use light (which is analogue) to carry a digital signal on top of an analogue one. Indeed, inside your computer, inside the CPU, you've got a heap of transistors (and I mean lots and very lots, but you could make a theoretical CPU with loads of transistors and a soldering iron - and OCD). Transistors are...analogue devices! They're not switches, they're little amplifiers used at the two extremes of their range. Again, our human concept of "binary" is, in the real world, implemented in analogue!!

So yes, you're right to a point, but tape is no more analogue inherently than any other system we have - hard drives included. Punched cards (holes in cardboard) are probably the most literal, and in some senses most binary, of the storage media. ..consider that! wink
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wow! i can't believe how stupid i was long ago.

makes me laugh at myself. biggrin
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Yeah, it's crazy what five months will do to you. Nice bump.
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Serpent wrote:

Yeah, it's crazy what five months will do to you. Nice bump.
5 months? that seemed more then that.

awesome fist productions wrote:

i know all of that but it's hard to explain but it may seem strange but i understand what you were saying clearly
that the tape may seem non Digital but when you put it on the computer it process it into Digital data
but tape is more stable and the camera can fit Digital data on the manitic particles and playback head and when its on the tape and not hooked to anything its non Digital until you have a device that can turn it into Digital data.

ps: wow my brain just had one of those strange moments. eek
lol i can't believe i wrote something like this. biggrin