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Terminator Salvation New Trailer(2 of them)

Posted: Tue, 9th Dec 2008, 10:03pm

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I think it looks pretty sweet and I'm still looking forward to it.
I have a question though: Is that guy John is talking to supposed to be Arnold?
http://www.traileraddict.com/trailer/terminator-salvation/japanese-trailer
http://www.apple.com/trailers/wb/terminatorsalvation/hd/

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Posted: Tue, 9th Dec 2008, 10:42pm

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Nice find! That does look good. I'm getting really excited about this film, really hope it doesn't disappoint.

Well it does seem as though it could be Arnie's terminator, but that would be a bit of a dangerous move to make that switch, especially as the bloke in the trailer doesn't look like a very convincing double for him.

My guess is it could be some sort of machine spy, and John is addressing Skynet directly, but via that machine?

Can't wait to find out!

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Posted: Tue, 9th Dec 2008, 11:47pm

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holy molly that looks freakin awesome.

Can't wait. I've been following the TV Series. This is gonna be great!
Posted: Wed, 10th Dec 2008, 12:24am

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Travis Kunze wrote:




Can't wait. I've been following the TV Series. This is gonna be great!
Yeah, I really like the TV series. A lot of people are bashing the show saying it's not how Terminator should be. But really, how is terminator supposed to be? I've seen all the movies and they look like normal movies to me.
Posted: Wed, 10th Dec 2008, 1:04am

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That looks quite good. I thought it was funny how Christian Bale used a similar deep voice to when he was in Batman.
Posted: Wed, 10th Dec 2008, 1:08am

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I'm betting this is going to be a let down. There's simply no way McG has the directorial skill to properly accomplish this film to it's fullest potential. It'll probably be "Ok" but not much more then that.
Posted: Wed, 10th Dec 2008, 1:39am

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I know I speak blasphemy, but I enjoyed the first Charlies Angels. Murray was hilarious and Rockwell was cool.
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I watch Charlie's Angels: Full Throttle every Halloween. I dunno why, I just started about 5 years ago and figured it'd make for a good tradition.
Posted: Wed, 10th Dec 2008, 2:47am

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Love McG. Despite the pretentious (and fairly stupid) directing name, all the behind-the-scenes with him make him seem like a really cool, laid back, regular guy- and like Charlie's Angels and We Are Marshall this movie looks fantastic for what it is, what it intends to do-

Hold us on the edges of our seats in badass fashion.
Posted: Wed, 10th Dec 2008, 3:29am

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here's a newerer trailer
http://www.apple.com/trailers/wb/terminatorsalvation/hd/
awesome
Posted: Wed, 10th Dec 2008, 3:38am

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gah my freakin quicktime players not working, time to reinstall it.
Posted: Wed, 10th Dec 2008, 4:24am

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As a HUGE fan of the show, and Terminator 2, I can see this being nothing but a big let down in terms of themes and ideas explored.

On the other hand, it does look to be exciting, and perhaps a good distraction for an afternoon.
Posted: Wed, 10th Dec 2008, 5:47am

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You're a huge fan of T2, and yet you think this movie will be a big letdown and the show you're a huge fan of? Oh, how you puzzle me.

*raises hand
I liked T3. biggrin
Posted: Wed, 10th Dec 2008, 5:48am

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T3 was pretty good. So was T1, T2 was eh for me personally.
Posted: Wed, 10th Dec 2008, 5:57am

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You think T3 and T1 were good but T2 was "eh"?!? doh
Posted: Wed, 10th Dec 2008, 5:58am

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lol, well T1 and T2 were done by the same company, T3 was done by a different company, i think T2 could've been done better overall, though i will admit John Connor was just as much of an ass in T2 as he is in the tv series.
Posted: Wed, 10th Dec 2008, 6:19am

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Travis Kunze wrote:

i think T2 could've been done better overall,
Aha.

Hahahaha.

HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAA...
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T2 is definitely my favorite.

'Have you seen this boy?'
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Aiy have ad it up to heeya wit Cherbo-Man! If dere's one person I do not wand to hear about right now, it's Cherbo-Man! Now pleaze, Chaymee, git you mudda!
Posted: Wed, 10th Dec 2008, 8:00am

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Atom wrote:

You're a huge fan of T2, and yet you think this movie will be a big letdown and the show you're a huge fan of? Oh, how you puzzle me.

*raises hand
I liked T3. biggrin
I think the show is one of the most exciting and interesting shows on television right now. The writing is phenomenal and has a way of tying together many complex themes into one coherent narrative each week, while still surprising us with new twists and turns. It's sharply written, the action is great for a television show, and the themes it explores, much like T2, transcend the genre it's established.

Are you still watching the show this season? It just keeps getting better and better when I thought it would run out of steam early on.

It's incredibly satisfying - like a nice big, expensive, intricate meal.


The fact that you liked T3 invalidates your opinion anyway. razz
Posted: Wed, 10th Dec 2008, 8:05am

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How can you not like

-"What is your mission?!?!?"
-"To protect the life of John Connor."
-"You are about to FAIL THAT MISSION!!!"

And no I am not kidding. Those lines, even in the trailer, give me goosebumps.
Posted: Wed, 10th Dec 2008, 10:52am

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Yeah, the TV show is increasingly fantastic. The first season was fun, and better than expected, but nothing 'special' (although the FBI raid was superb). Season 2, however, is really quite brilliant, and each episode gets more interesting.

Good to see them doing interesting stuff with John at last too. The last few episodes have really ratcheted up the tension, too - felt like the first two films in places.

My main concern about the T4 movie is that it'll collide unpleasantly with the TV show. Currently I'm much more interested in the show than the new film. Well, other than the fact that Adam's in the movie, so I'll be wathing it for that if nothing else. smile
Posted: Wed, 10th Dec 2008, 2:48pm

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The show is great, season final is next week though sad
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I saw "The Terminator" in the theater when it first came out and it blew me away. At that time Arnold was not really a big star, and Cameron made the film on a modest budget and practically as an independent film. Soon I had a Terminator poster on my wall (c'mon it was 1984!) - Fast forward to T2, by this time, the original Terminator was a cultural icon, Arnold's star had risen and so had Camerons. I liked T2 quite a bit- the special effects were LANDMARK achievements and the film had lots of cool action etc... HOWEVER I also had a few quibbles with it. One was just the whole big Hollywood packaging of the time, the "lets put a Guns and Roses soundtrack to the Terminator!" mentatlity of producers and distributors that had the Terminator showing up in rock videos for Guns and Roses. To me, it seemed to diminish the "gravitas" of the original story by associating it with that stuff- esepcailly when the original score is such a signature embodiment of the films. Strike one. My second issue is that I never liked Edward Furlong. I still don't. He plays the disaffected punk okay, but I don't think he displays any of the depth of intelligence and awareness that he is supposed to be showing. Blame it on Cameron or the script or Furlong's delivery- but I just never liked him. Strike two. I LOVED Robert Patrick- brilliant casting of a new face that has since shown he has the depth to sustain a career in well-made and viable films. My final strike three for T2 was that they went against their own laws of "science and magic" oulined in the first film, making all this fuss about coming through naked becauae of the "energy field created by a living organism" and even stating that the terminator himself, while being a machine is surrounded by livig tissue. They throw all of that out the door in T2 with a man made of pure liquid metal- why does he show up naked again? That was my biggest problem with the film, violating the "story world" which is alraeady established. T3 was an abberation- T3 took the terminaor concept and treated it like a 50's monster movie, which made for a much "lighter" movie that really seemed almost
"fun" insetad of the original heavy apocolyptic vision Cameron had for the storyline. That said, I wasn't nearly as "into" T3 as the other films, but overall I thought it was more entertaining and fun from an entertainment standpoint, but that's not what you go to see a Terminator film for. This one actually looks halfway decent to me, if you want to keep beating the dead horse that is the Terminator as a franchise, then this one looks to bring it back to the original intent of Cameron's story.
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Agreed mostly with you, Bryan. The Terminator, for me, is the better film by a long, long, loooooong way. It's an absolute classic, whereas T2 is 'only' a damned fantastic film.

T3 I think is unfairly lambasted by some people. It's not a very good Terminator film, but it is an accomplished and entertaining action film, with a surprisingly punchy ending.

T4 sounds interesting, and I like the idea of Connor being thrust into a future that isn't the one his mother prepared him for. That's an interesting twist.

Have you seen the TV show at all, Bryan? Although Lena Headey isn't a patch on Linda Hamilton (she's still good, though) it's a remarkably good show, staying truer to T2 than anything else, and wiping T3 from the timeline in a fairly deft move.

The best two things about The Terminator and T2, though, is the dual casting of Arnie and Robert Patrick. They're both incredible and iconic to a degree that any other actor seems rather woeful in comparison. Genius getting somebody so unexpected and different to play against Arnie in T2.

Having said that, Summer Glau in the TV series is also remarkably good, and works on a similarly iconic level for me. The other 'guest Terminators' don't work as well, alas.
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Tarn wrote:



T3 I think is unfairly lambasted by some people. It's not a very good Terminator film, but it is an accomplished and entertaining action film,
I call that the Alien 3 effect.
Posted: Wed, 10th Dec 2008, 5:39pm

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Travis Kunze wrote:

The show is great, season final is next week though sad
Do not fear, as it is merely a mid season finale and nothing more. It will be back in February I believe to continue it's 22 episode contract with Fox for season 2.
Posted: Wed, 10th Dec 2008, 6:31pm

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I'm going to see it, though I have little hopes for it to be a solid addition to the Terminator Saga. I'll try to look at it as a sci fi action film, then I'll probably enjoy it a lot more.

T3 was a solid action film, just no worthy entry to the Terminator movies, which I consider both (T1 and T2 that is) absolute film classics and T2 is in my personal top 5 movies list. ESPECIALLY given that the film, made in 1992, did not age one single bit and still looks top modern today, in 2008. The same can't be said for T1, so while I enjoyed that, it needs that extra bit of nostalgia. T2 doesn't. It still rules.
Posted: Wed, 10th Dec 2008, 8:21pm

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I'm going to see it, though I have little hopes for it to be a solid addition to the Terminator Saga.
I agree %100. I always liked T2 more than T1 and didn't really like T3 all that much. I want to see this, but at the same time I'm putting my money to better things. 9.50 for a movie ticket is just too much.
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Hey Tarn-

Never watched the TV show. There is something inside of me that just wants certain ideas to die a natural death. neutral Star Wars, I'm lookiing at YOU.

IMO T3 is, as stated by others, a really good action movie. It is really alot of fun and as stated it has a nice ending that almost put it in that "Twilight Zone" / "Planet of the Apes" tradition of Sci-Fi story telling (Both by one of favorites, Ohio native Rod Serling.) and reminded me of a 50's style sci-fi monster movie, but as such it appears to NOT be considered Holy Canon by true Terminator fans- Much the way my friends and I pretend that Indy and the Crystal Skull doesn't exist... I digress.

As a side note, the film I worked as a producer on, and acted in this last year, The Horseman (www.horsemanthefilm.com) was directed by my friend Ben Bays. Ben interned with James Cameron at Lightstorm Entertainment after film school. That's where he picked up the nasty habit of thinking he has to do everything himself! Sheesh! Look for a feature from Ben and I (and Vidas Barzdukas) in the next year or so- it's already in development...

That's my Cameron story.
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I hear a rumor they are making 3 terminator films to see the full extent of the future war. In T1 and T2 I always loved the future flashbacks of the future war and thought that looked like a great idea to concentrate on, now Salvation is going to do that. The one big mistake they would make would be to have the terminators too advanced too early. Because if its full of T1000's or TX's then it would have been pointless sending back the T800 (Arnie) in terminator 1.

I do sense a big CGI fest here and I love it, Just hope they have looked into any problems with storylines not matching up with the previous films and the TV show. I am also excited to see the future skynet control centre and the time machine. Would be cool to see what it looks like when someone goes through it on this side as well.
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I haven't seen much of the new show, so I'm a little confused. I know the show takes place sometime after T2. How does it relate to the movie series? Does it erase T3 entirely? Will it affect events in T4? Or is it just an "alternate" timeline with no relation to the actual movies?
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jawajohnny wrote:

I haven't seen much of the new show, so I'm a little confused. I know the show takes place sometime after T2. How does it relate to the movie series? Does it erase T3 entirely? Will it affect events in T4? Or is it just an "alternate" timeline with no relation to the actual movies?
In the show, the Connors travel to the future to the year 2007. They came from 1999 or sometime after T2. It does have some reference to T3. Sarah knows she's gonna die from cancer and gets checked once. In an episode she gets in contact with radioactive stuff, which makes her more scared.
All the background story is pretty much the same.

In the show you get these flashbacks, or is it flashforwards, of the war. And it looks a lot like what you see in the T4 trailer. Except you can tell it's a lower budget.

It's a really good show. while some episodes may appear lame sometimes, in the future you always see its purpose. They spend a lot of time in character development, which I really like.
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RodyPolis wrote:

In the show you get these flashbacks, or is it flashforwards, of the war. And it looks a lot like what you see in the T4 trailer.
I dunno, I'd say they're going more for the T1/T2 future war aesthetic - the blues and darkness and constructin yard look. T4 seems to be going for more of a bleached desert war feel.


Of course, that could simply be because we've only ever seen the future war at night in the previous movies, and T4 is the first time we've seen it in the day.
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Am I the only one that finds the Sarah Conner Chronicles to be awful? The acting drives me crazy as well as the increasingly badly written script. Sure, the story is pretty interesting, but the show itself seems poorly done. Maybe I'm missing something, or am I just way too in love with Fringe to even try liking another show? razz

This movie, however, looks pretty interesting. It looks a lot more gritty than previous movies, and I'm excited to see how Bale pulls this one off. I can hardly judge movies by trailers anymore, but holy sh*t, was that a transfomer?! This will either be a huge letdown, or a great success.
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At 1:35 I couldn't help but think that ET must be rolling over in his grave.
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Wow, check this out:

http://www.hecklerspray.com/christian-bales-terminator-rant-is-easily-the-best-thing-ever/200920052.php

^^^Before you listen to the audio, a LOT of "F" bombs.
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I just wanna know how they can make the trailer even at 480p look so good on a computer monitor. T2 was it for me "Beauty and the Beast" babe was hot, yeah, call me shallow.
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Serpent wrote:

Wow, check this out:

http://www.hecklerspray.com/christian-bales-terminator-rant-is-easily-the-best-thing-ever/200920052.php

^^^Before you listen to the audio, a LOT of "F" bombs.
If we're going to start linking to random, out-of-context stuff like that, how about we try and get a bit of context into it as well?

So here we go: http://aintitcool.com/node/39984
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Tarn wrote:

Serpent wrote:

Wow, check this out:

http://www.hecklerspray.com/christian-bales-terminator-rant-is-easily-the-best-thing-ever/200920052.php

^^^Before you listen to the audio, a LOT of "F" bombs.
If we're going to start linking to random, out-of-context stuff like that, how about we try and get a bit of context into it as well?

So here we go: http://aintitcool.com/node/39984
Not particularly 'out-of-context', Tarn. There was no context to begin with. And, I'm sorry, I like the man, but there's no excuse for an outburst of that magnitude, especially when the other man almost immediately apologized.

It's big news because he made something small a big deal. And I hardly, hardly treat 'Ain't it Cool' like the deciding journalist in this argument. An AICN writer talking about lights like he's patronizing the DP of Terminator Salvation? You've got to be kidding me.

I'm sure it was a quick vent and we've all had them, but if it got leaked and Bale reacted that badly, publicly like that- in the middle of the set- I don't feel bad for Bale if it gets out. I'm not saying it should've been leaked, or that his actions aren't understandable, but come on. Don't blame it on the DP.

That'd be almost as bad as Cheney getting the guy he shot in the face to apologize to him. rolleyes
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Not particularly 'out-of-context', Tarn. There was no context to begin with.
Oh, really? Sorry, I wasn't aware that you were there!

There's multiple professional lapses involved here. The problem is that people are only going to focus on Bale, because he just happened to be the only one with a mic. Lots of people are going to be listening to this that have no damn idea about filmmaking, and won't understand the situation.

To my mind you've got:

1. Bale being unprofessional by having a massive outburst. However, if the DP had indeed been pissing about with the lights the whole shoot, and Bale had asked him not to, and he continued...then, in the middle of an intense scene, I can perfectly understand Bale getting angry. Sure, he should have handled it in a more professional manner...but everyone loses their temper sometimes, and everyone has moments when they wished they'd handled the situation better. The difference is that most people don't have a mic attached.

2. The DP being unprofessional by fiddling with lights/wandering about in the middle of a take. Unless it's been arranged in advance it seems like a particularly daft thing to do. Even on an amateur film, you know not to start gallivanting up and down the set in the direct eyeline of actors during a take.

3. The director being unprofessional for not getting a handle on the situation before it exploded, and not putting a lid on it faster when it did.

4. However, the biggest professional lapse as far as I'm concerned is the sound recordist. When Bale exploded, the mics should have been turned off. Why was this entire tirade even recorded? I don't know if it was the same person responsible for leaking the audio, but there's definite professsional lapses in the audio or editing departments. Bale, McG and the DP all behaved unprofessionally to some degree, sure, but the guy (or guys) that leaked the audio are the only ones that were deliberately unprofessional, and with malice. I'll reserve most of my disapproval for them, I think.

None of this is taken into account in the isolated audio feed, so the result is going to be lots of high-and-mighty people getting on their misguided moral thrones and denouncing Bale, when he's just one part of it. And that annoys me.

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Tarn wrote:

Atom wrote:

Not particularly 'out-of-context', Tarn. There was no context to begin with.
Oh, really? Sorry, I wasn't aware that you were there!

There's multiple professional lapses involved here. The problem is that people are only going to focus on Bale, because he just happened to be the only one with a mic. Lots of people are going to be listening to this that have no damn idea about filmmaking, and won't understand the situation.

To my mind you've got:

1. Bale being unprofessional by having a massive outburst. However, if the DP had indeed been pissing about with the lights the whole shoot, and Bale had asked him not to, and he continued...then, in the middle of an intense scene, I can perfectly understand Bale getting angry. Sure, he should have handled it in a more professional manner...but everyone loses their temper sometimes, and everyone has moments when they wished they'd handled the situation better. The difference is that most people don't have a mic attached.

2. The DP being unprofessional by fiddling with lights/wandering about in the middle of a take. Unless it's been arranged in advance it seems like a particularly daft thing to do. Even on an amateur film, you know not to start gallivanting up and down the set in the direct eyeline of actors during a take.

3. The director being unprofessional for not getting a handle on the situation before it exploded, and not putting a lid on it faster when it did.

4. However, the biggest professional lapse as far as I'm concerned is the sound recordist. When Bale exploded, the mics should have been turned off. Why was this entire tirade even recorded? I don't know if it was the same person responsible for leaking the audio, but there's definite professsional lapses in the audio or editing departments. Bale, McG and the DP all behaved unprofessionally to some degree, sure, but the guy (or guys) that leaked the audio are the only ones that were deliberately unprofessional, and with malice. I'll reserve most of my disapproval for them, I think.

None of this is taken into account in the isolated audio feed, so the result is going to be lots of high-and-mighty people getting on their misguided moral thrones and denouncing Bale, when he's just one part of it. And that annoys me.
I agree on all points. Too often we forget that actors are real people with real jobs. I've heard a lot of good words about his behavior on the set of "The Dark Knight", so it seems it was only the environment of the new Terminator that pissed him off.
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I don't think anyone deserves to be on the receiving end of a rant of that length and magnitude. The tone, content, volume and length of the rant indicate to me a deliberate, vindictive intent to publicly humiliate the DP beyond all reasonable measure.

No one can be justified to do that, regardless how pressured your working conditions. It seems clear that the DP was wandering about the set at the wrong moment. Thats a bad thing. Its also evident that someone is in the wrong for leaking this recording, but neither mistakes can be used to balance Bale's reaction.
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Something else to bear in mind: We have absolutely no idea what happened afterwards. Not immediately afterwards, but in the ensuing days/weeks.

Did Bale continue to be an arse? Or did he apologise? Did McG make efforts to fix the problem and get everyone on friendly terms again?

There are so many possible ways the situation could have gone afterwards. Unfortunately what was an unprofessional moment between professionals on a professional set has now become public, which must be excruciatingly embarassing for the DP. And doubly annoying if the situation had indeed been resolved by now. It's a matter that should have been between Bale, the DP and McG, not between Bale and the self-righteous public mob.

Which again brings me back to the people responsible for the sound clip itself as being the main villains in the whole affair.
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This makes me love Bale even more.

I'm sorry but sometimes people NEED telling. They really do.

I'll bet Bale spends 95% of his time perfectly restrained and in control despite being under huge amounts of pressure. There is only so much a man can take and this DP just happened to mess up at the wrong time.

However! Whoever leaked this from the set needs sacking. As bad as you may find Bales' ranting... it was at least confined to the set. It wasn't as if he started going online talking about how s*** the DP was (which I don't think he has done as far as I'm aware).
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Xcession wrote:

I don't think anyone deserves to be on the receiving end of a rant of that length and magnitude. The tone, content, volume and length of the rant indicate to me a deliberate, vindictive intent to publicly humiliate the DP beyond all reasonable measure.

No one can be justified to do that, regardless how pressured your working conditions. It seems clear that the DP was wandering about the set at the wrong moment. Thats a bad thing. Its also evident that someone is in the wrong for leaking this recording, but neither mistakes can be used to balance Bale's reaction.
Amen. Exactly what I'm thinking. The hypocrisy of talking about how 'unprofessional' the gesture of the DP was is the kicker for me. Think of how 'unprofessional' Bale must've looked. Like I said, I'm only going from what I'm given.

It's the asshole approach, if you ask me, to say these kind of outbursts sometimes NEED to happen. I've been witness to and through enough of them on set to tell you that's bullsh!t. Really. And the people who perpetuate that that kind of mentality is okay, let alone champion it, sicken me. The whole 'either you're fired or I don't walk back on set!' mentality too- especially for something so trivial (for the non-trivial exceptions, watch Entourage Season 4 wink) is absolutely terrible. Absolutely terrible. I've been through that, and I hate it to death.

And Tarn, have you ever seen any behind the scenes footage with McG on any of his movies? Honestly, one of the most open and nicest directions with his sh!t together I've ever seen on bts stuff. Can you not hear him clearly trying to get ahold of the situation with Bale? And then talk to the DP, and then back to Bale, and offer time to pause the scene?

I like Bale, and I'm not saying we all don't have our moments. But the days and weeks afterward don't really matter in this situation, because the excessive length and deprecation of Bale's words were so harsh and memorable they stand alone, unexcused- at least in my interactions, I believe- by an apology later on. You ask did he continue to be an arse. Well, if the recording had ended after, I dunno, 2 straight minutes of profane humiliation maybe I could ask myself that question; maybe I'd give Bale the benefit of the doubt. But it goes on and on for nearly 5 minutes, man. What if we were only given the first half of it and then the second half later on- we'd all be shocked. Absolutely shocked it went on for so long.

The whole fact of it was he shouldn't have gone to such lengths of humiliation and excess to begin with- not that he can't rant and then apologize later.

Maybe I don't know the whole story, who knows. Just, speaking from my humble crew and small filmmaking knowledge working in emotional scene with good actors- I've seen similar scenarios on a much smaller scale that never would get to that point. But again, this is speaking only out of my personal experience.

And, once more for the record, I like Bale a lot as an actor. I think he's one for the generation; and am the first to admit I was completely wrong about him back in the '04 days of calling him a bad actor- but that doesn't excuse this recording: context or none.

Similar to Alec Baldwin's phone call to his daughter. Another actor I absolutely love. It didn't matter that he's a good actor or a nice guy other times, it didn't matter that he apologized right after- because the tone and excessiveness of his rant, even without knowing the circumstances, was just too much for anyone to tolerate for something so trivial. And it wasn't and shouldn't have been accepted.
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It's the asshole approach, if you ask me, to say these kind of outbursts sometimes NEED to happen.
Just to be clear, I'm not saying that at all. I don't approve of Bale's reaction in any way.

All I'm saying is that we don't know the full circumstances.

And I stand by my comment that I'm far more shocked by the people that leaked the audio rather than Bale himself.

Bale might have been an asshat, but the leakers are frickin making asshats.
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Or they're getting even in humiliation. I think they're justified. Maybe not appropriate, but justified. You act like an ass to that ridiculous of an extent; you go out of your way to publicly humiliate someone- and a person on set has the balls and sense to get it on tape?

Then, should they choose to leak it, you deserve to be humiliated for things you shouldn't have said and should've been humiliated for in the first place.
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Tarn wrote:

1. Bale being unprofessional by having a massive outburst. However, if the DP had indeed been pissing about with the lights the whole shoot, and Bale had asked him not to, and he continued...then, in the middle of an intense scene, I can perfectly understand Bale getting angry. Sure, he should have handled it in a more professional manner...but everyone loses their temper sometimes, and everyone has moments when they wished they'd handled the situation better. The difference is that most people don't have a mic attached.
Yeah, and that they are not as popular, thus being easy target.

If this thing about DP being unable to understand simple request is true, then I hardly have any problem with Bale's behaviour. What would you do? Ask him again? 10 times? 100 times? Send him a letter of complaint? C'mon. I am sure Bale had enough problems of his own while filming. At least this got this guy's attention (though I would rotfl if he did same thing next day). It shouldn't even be Bale's concern to instruct the guy on what he should/should not do on set. Ok, so he's young, perhaps stressed as well. Being told once should be enough.

On the other hand, perhaps it was not as I imagine, and it is Bale's fault. I merely say that if it was as described, my problem would be with the DP, and the guy who leaked it of course (that's simple enough).

Bale is unfortunately famous figure, so people will probably tend to see it as "Big, Bad, Bale vs Some Poor Guy"...
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Tarn wrote:

If we're going to start linking to random, out-of-context stuff like that, how about we try and get a bit of context into it as well?
I was just posting a recent article about the film in a pre-existing topic about it, I didn't really see the need to fully comment on it. That was just the link my friend sent me, I posted it so the community could see it. Sorry my article wasn't from a decently unbiased source.

I love Christian Bale as an actor, but after passively observing his behavior he seems unstable. I won't judge him, as I don't know anything about his personality (never really cared about that aspect of an actor unless it was particularly positive), but after this "wow" was all I had to say I guess. I mean, come on, his rant went on for quite a while. I would NEVER flip out on someone to that extent, and I don't think it's excusable.
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I think it would of been better if he used his voice from Batman . smile
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I laughed really hard after hearing that rant. Bale is a pretty intense guy, and that recording was taken around that time he was having all those family issues apparently, so I suppose I can see why it happened.

Pretty sure Bale uses HGH to get into shape, and those have a side effect of causing overly aggressive behavior...
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The shot just before half-way through of the motorbikes is one of those visual effects shots that gets me excited, but the rest of the trailer seemed like rather tasteless eye candy, from the looks of it nothing more than Christian Bale talking to himself, shooting a gun, yelling, running, blank staring, talking, yelling some more, talking to himself again - all of which appearing to be confined to relatively small and limited movie sets never seeing anything really "epic" or appealing considering its a Terminator movie. That was just my first impression of it, not at all saying it wont be any good, just hopefully better than the trailer.
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We're back to the trailer now? Ha
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Not sure why this isn't here yet:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTihsJQHt48 (Danger! More f-bombs than before!)

Also: He was really unfair, but I can definitely see why he would have been pissed off. Christian Bale is a badass.
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Some interesting viewpoints from Darren Aranofsky and....er....Michael Winner:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7871743.stm
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It made me a bit dissapointed to hear Bale go on that rant.. I mean, I looked up to the guy not only as an actor, but also as a person. He seemed like a cool headed guy to me.. Until this, of course. While I somewhat agree with Tarn that we have to understand the context and what happened afterwords, I'd say that it's hard to blame it on anyone besides Bale for having such an outrage. Sure, the mic shouuld have been turned off, and the clip should have never been realeased, but Bale should have never said those things in the first place, regardless of the circumstances.
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Darren Aronofsky....pfft. I'd trust Bale's estranged mother's word more.

As much of a taboo as it may be, let's all not forget that the DP wasn't just being an ass, he wasn't meandering around the scene, he was trying to do his job to the best of his ability. He was fixing lights for, let's all assume, the bettering of the film. It may not have been the right time, but he was just trying to help the scene.

Bale not only wasn't being professional, he also wasn't doing his job.

And, to me, that's the kicker. Bale evens calls him a 'nice guy'. So I'm perplexed as to how a 'nice guy' that may have been annoying or concentration-breaking; but not a purposeful ass of any kind- simply trying to help the scene- could make someone so angry and hate-filled.
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Atom wrote:



As much of a taboo as it may be, let's all not forget that the DP wasn't just being an ass, he wasn't meandering around the scene, he was trying to do his job to the best of his ability. He was fixing lights for, let's all assume, the bettering of the film. It may not have been the right time, but he was just trying to help the scene.
Okay, that's rediculas. I can see that you obviously think Bale's at fault, which I agree with, but you can't say that the DP did nothing wrong. He walked into the middle of a set while Bale was trying to concentrate. You can't assume that the DP wasn't an ass or that he was "just trying to help". Even amatuers know that walking into a set while a scene is being filmed is not at all helpful. So while Bale shouldn't have reacted the way he did, don't try and justify the DP.
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I'm saying the DP might have done something distracting, but it's not one of those situations where the guy was just messing around or doing something counterproductive.

He was fixing the lights; it's part of his job. It's not that 'rediculas'. wink
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Atom wrote:

I'm saying the DP might have done something distracting, but it's not one of those situations where the guy was just messing around or doing something counterproductive.

He was fixing the lights; it's part of his job. It's not that 'rediculas'. wink
Surely you don't fix your lights in the middle of a scene, Atom. Only an idiot would even consider doing that on a professional set. It's not part of his job to fix the lights in the middle of filming while the actor is concentrating. So in my opinion, he was doing something counterproductive.

Excuse my mispelling of a word. I'll be sure to spell ridiculous correctly from now on. wink
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Darren Aronofsky....pfft. I'd trust Bale's estranged mother's word more.
Oh please... you don't even know the woman, and she hasn't even spoken to Bale so what does she really know about the incident. Never mind the fact that in the very same article you have a quote from someone who was actually there. Even going so far as to say how flash in the pan the whole thing was.

Atom wrote:

As much of a taboo as it may be, let's all not forget that the DP wasn't just being an ass, he wasn't meandering around the scene, he was trying to do his job to the best of his ability. He was fixing lights for, let's all assume, the bettering of the film. It may not have been the right time, but he was just trying to help the scene.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out when you should and shouldn't do things like this. It's quite stunning that McG didn't even notice what was going on.

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Bale not only wasn't being professional, he also wasn't doing his job.
No, you've missed the point of this entire episode. Bale was trying to do his job and someone stopped that from happening. Repeatedly from the sounds of it as Bale refers to him having done it before.

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And, to me, that's the kicker. Bale evens calls him a 'nice guy'. So I'm perplexed as to how a 'nice guy' that may have been annoying or concentration-breaking;
To be honest for me this demonstrates how frustrated Bale was with the actions of this guy, it wasn't as if he was going off on one because of some mis-guided or random hatred for the DP. The DP had clearly done something so wrong that Bale, despite liking the guy, had enough of his monkeying around.
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Umm... It's the DP's shot. It really doesn't matter what the hell Bale was doing. If he felt he needed to get the right shot by fixing lights then that's completely up to him. I woulda told Bale "Yeah, the performance was great and everything but I really don't give a damn because I wasn't going to even use that shot... So why don't you cry about it some more. Meanwhile, I'm going to position this light the way I want it because I'm the DP and last time I checked... That's my job..."

I WISH I woulda been that DP. Bale wouldn't have gotten to say a third of what he let out.

Sorry... I get heated listening to that clip. And even more heated that the DP didn't even raise his voice or talk back. I understand taking the high road and everything but you gotta stand up for yourself.
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Darren Aronofsky....pfft. I'd trust Bale's estranged mother's word more.
Oh please... you don't even know the woman, and she hasn't even spoken to Bale so what does she really know about the incident. Never mind the fact that in the very same article you have a quote from someone who was actually there. Even going so far as to say how flash in the pan the whole thing was.
No, but now I kind of understand what I thought was a ridiculous situation of a mother calling the police on her son for 'verbal abuse'.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out when you should and shouldn't do things like this. It's quite stunning that McG didn't even notice what was going on.
Once again, I ask: Can you not clearly hear McG being professional and calm and trying to ease Bale throughout the entire recording?

No, you've missed the point of this entire episode. Bale was trying to do his job and someone stopped that from happening.
No, and this pisses me off. An actor's job is to act, not require complete central attention and silence towards them. I mean, certainly there's leniency in all of this and the better performances come from more concentration- but ultimately that's a personal thing. And as a more literal thing, the DP wanted the shot right- an equally-tedious perfectionist I'd presume from the term 'light-flickerer/changer'- no different Bale.


The DP had clearly done something so wrong that Bale, despite liking the guy, had enough of his monkeying around.
No, from all of this the biggest thing is it appears he really hadn't. He wasn't just assing around, he was fixing lights for the quality of the shot.

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Umm... It's the DP's shot. It really doesn't matter what the hell Bale was doing. If he felt he needed to get the right shot by fixing lights then that's completely up to him. I woulda told Bale "Yeah, the performance was great and everything but I really don't give a damn because I wasn't going to even use that shot... So why don't you cry about it some more. Meanwhile, I'm going to position this light the way I want it because I'm the DP and last time I checked... That's my job..."

I WISH I woulda been that DP. Bale wouldn't have gotten to say a third of what he let out.

Sorry... I get heated listening to that clip. And even more heated that the DP didn't even raise his voice or talk back. I understand taking the high road and everything but you gotta stand up for yourself.
Goddamn right. In my small film knowledge, I've worked with really intense, great actors (Brian Hunt, for instance) that really invest themselves in scenes (as many people know big drama is what we like to do wink) and I've run into similar situations with Ben or Chase changing lights around during a take. Granted, on a much smaller scale, but the intensity and importance-of-scene and acting devotion is there- I'm certain of it. More specifically and kind of ironic considering the actor, while filming our first Batman movie Ben tended to mess with the lights a lot for the quality of the shot to be its best.

Because the actor playing the Joker, Samuel, felt it was very important to create his own Joker persona he invested himself in the scene very heavily. He told Ben a few times to stop getting in the shot and eventually blew up in a similar fashion. We were all incredibly surprised, because he was nothing but nice beforehand.

And this happens, we're all human begins, I get it. Where it differs is in the length and severity. Once we laid it out as 'hey, this is important, I apologize for breaking your concentration' it was all over.

And this is probably one of the big reason I roll my eyes at some of the comments- I'm not claiming to be a big professional filmmaker, but I've been through this experience and the whole thing to say to it is basically what CX3 just said.

I've heard and thrown fits about breaks in concentration during filming, but it never goes that far. And if it does, we always reign it in with a "look, my job is important, too!" response.

I mean, would any of you guys accepted it if the DP threw a huge, profane, 4-minute-long tirade if Bale walked off screen in the middle of the perfect shot that took hours to setup because he wasn't ready/forgot his lines? Absolutely not.

The situation is reverse here. I know, I know, it's much easier to either sympathize or hate against the actors more than anyone else because they are the faces we see- but let's not forget the Director of Photography is a biggie. Perhaps the biggest and most noticeable difference besides switching actors in the middle of a movie for a character for me would be switching DPs. They control the lights, the movement, the whole........I dunno........essence of the movie. They aren't more important than actors- this guy wasn't more important than Bale; but his job is just as important and tedious and nerve-wrecking, and he was just trying to get it right.
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Surely the job of a DP is to get the shot set up correctly....before the director shouts 'action'?

If there's a problem with the lights, or if the DP spots something he can improve, then he should wait until 'cut' before doing it. Changing the lights MID-SHOT is just plain daft - even if it doesn't disturb the actors, the shifting lights will make the shot unusable. Surely the only logical thing to do is wait until the take is finished, so that the director/editor at least has it as an option, then ask for another take?

Now, if the DP has talked to the cast and crew and said "I'd like to be a bit experimental and loose with my lighting, so I'll be adjusting things during takes" and they all go "yeah sure, awesome!", that's fine. But if somebody - whether it's an actor, the sound guy, a pyro guy, WHOEVER - says "actually, please don't do that when I'm doing my thing", it's just common courtesy to hold until the 'cut'.

It's not "the DP's shot". He isn't in charge of the set, and can't decide how to work regardless of other people's wishes.

Again, I'm not justifying the actual nature of Bale's outburst, because he could have handled it in a much more productive manner, but I think he was perfectly justified in getting annoyed.
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even if it doesn't disturb the actors, the shifting lights will make the shot unusable. Surely the only logical thing to do is wait until the take is finished, so that the director/editor at least has it as an option, then ask for another take?
I'm almost positive the logic here is that, just as Bale is likely concerned in different things 'ruining' his performance, the lighting that erred consequently 'ruined' the DP's shot, making it 'unusable' in the first place. From there, with a utilitarian mindset, the logical thing to do is correct the error as quick as possible and run the take again.

Yeah, Bale's not done acting in the current take, sure. But that take is already trash. By fixing the light, the DP is correcting his lighting mistake to better fulfill his job on the set and trying not to therein waste rolling film; which, admittedly, he exchanges at the cost of possibly disrupting Bale's concentration which possibly will stall the shoot.

If you look at it in terms of studio efficiency, the erring light is an absolute. It's a dud, has to be fixed. The fact that it makes a shot unusable is also an absolute. From there you're just wasting time to shoot and film to shoot on. Again, an absolute derivative of what I just said. So, from the DP's point-of-view, it is completely cost-effective to fix the light as soon as is humanly possible.

Yeah, you risk disrupting some of the acting, but do you think the guy ever imagined he'd get blown up at to that proportion? No, probably not. He made a judgment call about the light that was, as Bale so angrily and ignorantly demonstrates, wrong. So sue him.

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It's not "the DP's shot". He isn't in charge of the set, and can't decide how to work regardless of other people's wishes.
Just a quick interjection...

Uh......yes, it is his shot. He is contractually responsible for the film looking a certain way. The performance in play may be Bale's and McG's, but the shot is most certainly shared with between the DP, gaffers, and cinematographers.

Also, where is this assured attitude that Bale calmly reasoned against the DP's actions in the first place coming from? Are any of us 'so sure' that Bale asked the DP nicely several times, or is that, as we all know, just hearsay. We can draw conclusions all we want, but the hard evidence here is the actual audio recording, supposed contexts aside.

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Tarn wrote:

It's not "the DP's shot". He isn't in charge of the set, and can't decide how to work regardless of other people's wishes.
Just a quick interjection...

Uh......yes, it is his shot. He is contractually responsible for the film looking a certain way. The performance in play may be Bale's and McG's, but the shot is most certainly shared with between the DP, gaffers, and cinematographers.
Yeah, the DP is responsible for the visuals of the shot. He's not responsible for the audio, the acting, the practical set considerations, special effects etc.

Surely he's also contractually responsible to exercise his job in a responsible way that is conducive to the overall filmmaking?

In the same way you wouldn't expect a sound guy to lower his boom completely into shot without giving a shit, you don't expect the DP to start faffing about with the lights mid-shot, in the same way you don't expect an actor to go up to some of the lights and start changing where they're pointing.

Maybe I've just got a different impression of how a crew is supposed to work together on set? Sure, the DP is massively important, but he's still just one part of any given shot.
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ben3308 wrote:

Also, where is this assured attitude that Bale calmly reasoned against the DP's actions in the first place coming from? Are any of us 'so sure' that Bale asked the DP nicely several times, or is that, as we all know, just hearsay. We can draw conclusions all we want, but the hard evidence here is the actual audio recording, supposed contexts aside.
But without that context, we can only speculate. No one is sure, unless they've been there. Whether you think it was Bale's or DP's fault, you can not be sure, without that context.

Unless od course one believe's that actor's/DP's job is so important, that anything else matters not. Tarn's example with the sound guy is great here.
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Tarn wrote:

Surely he's also contractually responsible to exercise his job in a responsible way that is conducive to the overall filmmaking?
Woudln't having a proper shot be conductive though?

Tarn wrote:

In the same way you wouldn't expect a sound guy to lower his boom completely into shot without giving a poo, you don't expect the DP to start faffing about with the lights mid-shot, in the same way you don't expect an actor to go up to some of the lights and start changing where they're pointing.
While I think sound is very important, I don't think an audio guy would do that because ADR is always an option in post. Lighting in post (visual effects) may cost some money, if not be impossible.

When it's my butt on the line, I wouldn't want to shoot anything that didn't look 100%, in my eyes. Either way, Bale wasted more time (Unless they were shooting a 4 minute tracking shot ha).
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CX3 wrote:

While I think sound is very important, I don't think an audio guy would do that because ADR is always an option in post. Lighting in post (visual effects) may cost some money, if not be impossible.

When it's my butt on the line, I wouldn't want to shoot anything that didn't look 100%, in my eyes. Either way, Bale wasted more time.
I don't have any problem with the lighting guy wanting to get things 100%, but interfering mid-take is hardly going to do that. Wait til the shot's finished, then make the improvement. That way you end up with:

Take 1: Solid acting performance, even if the lighting isn't perfect. Usable.
Take 2: Solid acting performance, perfect lighting.

If the guy starts fiddling mid-take you end up with:

Take 1: Solid acting performance, made useless by lights changing. Unusable.
Take 2: Solid acting performance, perfect lighting.

Either way, whether the DP fiddles with lights mid-take or after the take, you're STILL going to have to do another take to get it properly right. So, really, it's more logical to let Take 1 be usable as well, THEN make the changes. That way in the edit at least there's an extra shot that is usable.

If you also factor in the potential for Take being the best performance, it's really quite crucial to ensure that Take 1 is usable.
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Tarn wrote:


Take 1: Solid acting performance, even if the lighting isn't perfect. Usable.
Take 2: Solid acting performance, perfect lighting.

If the guy starts fiddling mid-take you end up with:

Take 1: Solid acting performance, made useless by lights changing. Unusable.
Take 2: Solid acting performance, perfect lighting.
I think you've got bias, perhaps, towards what makes the movie 'best', and what is more necessitated. As do I. I think, for CX3 and I, we're inclined as technical filmmakers to want to say the shot and lighting is as-important/as-trashable depending on the shot as a good performance take by an actor versus an unfocused performance take by an actor is.

You assume a shot with so-so lights is usable due to the acting. Well, see, as an editor I'd go the other way with it; and I have. The acting may be better or more-focused in some shots with bad lighting; but more often than not I like going with the shot with the best lighting and lighting consistency and consider that the 'usable shot'.

Once again, our first Batman movie is the prime example of this. The lights move around a lot, and the intensity/consistency of the acting changes slightly throughout because I succumbed to choosing acting over lighting in some edits and lighting over acting in others.

It's all one big compromise, and to treat it like the bad lights/good acting is more usable than bad acting/good lights, frankly, is insulting to DPs everywhere. At least, I think so.
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Atom wrote:

I think you've got bias, perhaps, towards what makes the movie 'best', and what is more necessitated.
I would strongly argue against that. smile Filmmaking is usually about compromise, and making the best film is about finding the most efficient compromise to maximise the quality of the film in all areas.

I wouldn't say I'm biased towards actors at all. In fact, given that I've never really worked with real actors, if anything I'm likely to be more focused on the technical aspects. razz

As do I. I think, for CX3 and I, we're inclined as technical filmmakers to want to say the shot and lighting is as-important/as-trashable depending on the shot as a good performance take by an actor versus an unfocused performance take by an actor is.
Yeah, absolutely. But that's the choice of the editor and/or director, not the DP.

You assume a shot with so-so lights is usable due to the acting.
Not at all. In my previous posts I haven't said that the DP should just shut up. I've said that he should let the take finish, then make his adjustments for another take. In other words, I'm prioritising both the acting AND his work equally, giving them both a chance to do their best work.

It's more that as an editor or as a director I'd want to have options. I don't want the DP to be making these decisions for me. It's pretty unlikely that the hypothetical 'Take 1' actually had bad lighting, after all - it's just that the DP identified an opportunity to make it even better.

Well, see, as an editor I'd go the other way with it; and I have. The acting may be better or more-focused in some shots with bad lighting; but more often than not I like going with the shot with the best lighting and lighting consistency and consider that the 'usable shot'.
Yeah, but that's not a valid comparison (bit of a strawman argument, to borrow a Blockism). We're not talking "good acting vs bad lighting," we're talking "good acting & good lighting" vs "good acting and even better lighting."

But just because the DP has thought of something to make another take even better doesn't mean he has the right to immediately trash the current take. You get that take done first, then go from there.

There's exceptions, obviously. If it's a 5 minute shot and you're 10 seconds in an suddenly notice a problem, it's best to do something about it. Otherwise, though, wait for the take to be finished, then ask for another take.

It's not that I'm undervaluing lighting, not at all. I'm just valuing giving the editor as many choices as possible. That shot with the less-good lighting might prove to be an essential cut-away due to some other unforeseen problem once you get to editing, but if the DP has trashed it due to premature fiddling you won't have that option.
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We also can't forget that if the article is true, it says that...

Bale had indeed warned the DP on multiple occasions about messing with lights while the cameras were rolling
Having some guy fiddle with the lights in the middle of the shot is bad enough, but having to warn him time and time again, and having your attention being broken that many times gets extremely frustrating. It's just plain stupid to mess with everything when the camera is rolling, not only because it the ruins concentration the actors might have, but also because it creates a lot of strife. In my opinion, strife is the last thing you want while trying to film, but maybe Atom and CX3 have a different opinion on that..
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Christian Bale has apologized.

http://movies.yahoo.com/news/movies.eonline.com/98799-
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Bale Apologizes

EDIT: Yeah, what he said ^
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Good stuff.