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The Change In Me

Posted: Tue, 16th Dec 2008, 9:13am

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When two brothers find themselves at the final string of their relationship, one brother must voice his opinion and risk losing all to save the life of a brother he once knew.

The following film was made in 24 hours during the 24 hour film race in dallas.

Starring:
Cole Timms
Reese Arrington

Crew:
Written Directed and Edited by:
Brian Hunt

Sound and Lighting:
Kyle Jones

Thank you for watching, and enjoy the film.

The Change in Me.


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Posted: Wed, 17th Dec 2008, 3:02am

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Hey guys,
Just a note the following film was shown in May at the 24 hour film race DALLAS. The Criteria was:

Must be 5 minutes long
It had to include the dialouge: "Whats this gonna cost me"
It had to include a prop: Key
the theme had to be: twist of fate
and a scene had to take place at a sporting event.

Anyways thank you guys for watching, would love to hear feedback! Thanks Brian
Posted: Wed, 17th Dec 2008, 4:47am

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Not much to say, but absolutely brilliant. 5/5, man.
Posted: Wed, 17th Dec 2008, 7:26am

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thanks man! Lookin forward to the next atomic Production
Posted: Thu, 18th Dec 2008, 2:20am

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Agreeing with Atom here, Brilliant.

Sound was a bit wonky in some places, but everything else makes up for it.
Posted: Thu, 18th Dec 2008, 2:24am

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Hmm... what to say...? I guess I'll just put what Atom and Silverdragon put. BRILLIANT!! I was thinking of doing a similar film but I don't got good enough actors. But good job! Its an excellent short!
Posted: Thu, 18th Dec 2008, 2:51am

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Hey thanks guys!

I am really proud of both of the actors and friends of mine that performed in this. The actors did a really fantastic job, and it was an huge pleasure getting to work with both Reese Arrington, and Cole Timms. They both came to with open minds to the project and responded well through both personal instinct and direction.

Overall the two of them were a blast to work with!
Posted: Thu, 18th Dec 2008, 3:41am

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This was sort of a mixed bag for me...

The opening scene reminded me of a mid-90's drug PSA...

Overall, The cinematography was a bit over-spastic for my taste, with gratuitous focus pulls and obscured angles.

There didn't appear to be a story as much an event that happens, which didn't carry a lot of gravity because there was almost no sub-text or backstory introduced.

The sound was seriously lacking, but overall, for a 24 hour film, it was better than most.
Posted: Thu, 18th Dec 2008, 10:37pm

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Mixed bag for me as well. While some shots were really good and the "overspastic camera" (which is a description I find humorously accurate) actually had it's moments where it worked, it was too much of it for me to really enjoy. And I got used to it quickly.
Imo, a scene gets interesting by having different tensions. And visually, that difference was lacking for me. It was all the same hypernervous all the way through and as that, it got annoying after a while. I really liked the feel of the opening shots though!

Acting was solid, but a bit overdramatic for my tastes. I liked the beginning and I really liked the sort of calm moment in the car. But then, when the shouting and big-drama came, it kinda lost me a bit. I prefered the subtle acting by far.
As has been mentioned, sound mixing could be slightly more effective, but it was good overall.

For 24 hours, I find this a very good effort though.
Posted: Thu, 18th Dec 2008, 11:22pm

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Bryce,

First off thanks for watching the film, it means a lot! In regards to your email, I'd like to say that I respect your opinion on you thoughts about the film, but in turn will have to disagree because I do stand behind the choices I made during the production of the film.

I am of the mind that every time a film maker attempts to start a new project he/she should go into the project always looking to discover something new and different from past experiences. The thing that our group wanted to do during this film was take on a situational piece that focused primary on a real time evaluation of two characters at pivotal moment in both of their lives. Which is also why we chose to make the cinematography more freehand, letting it move and mimic the intensity of the characters. I will state that this is not my normal style of cinematography, but I personally found it suiting for the subject matter.

I wanted to kind of capture a feel of being a bystander in the midst of watching this all crumble down between them, and also wanted to do a piece that showed a close time-to-happening ratio. Meaning i wanted this moment in there life to happen in a similar time it would take to watch it from an audience perspective.

As for the back story, I wanted to incorporate some images through out that weren’t spoon fed for the audience, watching the character back when he was doing other memories that reflected a happier time in his life such as the basketball images that are flashed towards the end. On that same note though, there is only so much that we could show in our 5 minutes and within the 24 hour limitation for the film making process.

Overall I think your opinions may have some validity from your perspective, but I do stand behind what I believe is a solid short film.

Thank you for watching Bryce,
Brian
Posted: Fri, 19th Dec 2008, 12:20am

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Hah, sorry Hunt, I wasn't shooting down the film, I was just throwing out a few things that stood out from a critical perspective for me. And while it lacked a few things, it's Definitely a kickass piece overall.
Posted: Fri, 19th Dec 2008, 5:13am

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I liked the camera work, editing, sound, and fx. My only complaint was not with the film, but the slow on-line streaming.

Which camera and editing software was used?

Vance
Posted: Fri, 19th Dec 2008, 5:27am

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Hey Vance,

Thanks for watchin man! I shot the project on the Canon Xl2, and edited with Sony Vegas 8 pro. I recently bought the Canon Xha1, and have a project hat will be posted within the month that was shot on the new camera. Im very happy with the look of the upcoming project "Monroe", it looks pretty stellar.

Sorry about the slow upload, the file size is pretty large, but I wanted to maintain a high quality level in the compression. A smaller file is in the process of uploading it will be hosted via "vimeo".

Thanks for watchin Vance.

Brian
Posted: Fri, 19th Dec 2008, 2:13pm

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no sub-text or backstory
Just noticed this. I actually liked that about the film, that the backstory of the two was implied, rather then obviously shown or included in a bit of dialogue or flashback or so.

This is something that I'd recommend more filmmakers should do - Including myself, heh. It's always so easy to show or explain something and so difficult to find the right balance between letting your audience assume and explaining and showing.
Posted: Sun, 21st Dec 2008, 6:00am

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Sollthar,

Thank you for taking notice of that. I have done some projects in the past where the back story is very much either verbal or a literal flashback, and have always felt like I've kinda taken a cop out or the easy way out because of it.

I felt by establishing the angst of the characters and allowing the silences of it to explain their history with one another, that our team would be undertaking a more challenging task.

At no point in this did I want to spoon feed the audience with where the characters were coming from, but instead simply allow the audience watch two characters who already knew one another all too well interact within a situation that was climatic.

The night before the production of shooting we all collaborated on who the characters were and made them only talk to one another from the stand point of how a old brother would talk to a younger brother and vise versa.

Then once the characters were set in who they were off camera, we sprung real situations on one another during the shooting.

For instance the scene where the car stops short before the younger brother gets in... That was something only the driver and I knew about. So Reese’s reaction of realizing that he was going to have to come to the car to get in, is a real reaction and is actually a simple moment but one of my favorite. Cause I think it silently sets up that the car ride itself is in no way going to be an easy one from the start.

Sometimes I believe that if the actors know there own back stories, it isn’t always necessary to show it on screen.

Thanks for the comment Sollthar!
Posted: Mon, 22nd Dec 2008, 12:44am

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Hey bro, I know that you know that I love this film, but I never really got to express everything I wanted to say about it.

I gave this a 4 and not a 5, and here's why:

As much as I love it, I don't think there's that much of a plot. Now before you jump on me for being a cynic, I want you to know that I don't think this makes the film bad in any way; just less of an....'experience' overall.

Reese and Cole both do outstanding jobs, and the opening several shots are genius (as are the rest, but those are the standouts). The rest of it is well-paced, well acted, well edited and well shot. And the grading rocks, too.

That being said, I feel that while the backstory isn't laid out explicitly, the implication of the backstory doesn't have quite enough meat to it to justify a complete plot/story. There's definitely a story, but not quite a plot. Two guys have a conversation about a deep issue, that's for sure, but I don't think the audience is given enough information (mostly because of the time/production limitations) to truly understand or appreciate what is going on. I don't feel this way, but to some it could seem like Cole comes sort of out of left field when he starts screaming.

All things considered, this is a great accomplishment and one of your best works to date; and it certainly far surpassed my similar efforts in the same contest. We're all well aware you got robbed on the awards, and I'm sorry if some of my criticisms add insult to injury in that respect.

Hopefully I made sense, I didn't just put this on here to be underhanded, I just rewatched and remembered the few issues I had with it. Great stuff, it's just hindered by the 5 minute time limit.
Posted: Mon, 22nd Dec 2008, 7:36am

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Ben,

Thanks for watching the film bro! I’m going to have to have a disclaimer for this post because I’m going to have to explain the stand point I’m coming from to the Fxhomers.

DISCLAIMER:

For those on Fxhome who don’t know the connection between me, Atom, and Ben3308... My name is Brian Hunt and I have acted in several of their projects. I was main guy in Pages, Cover Story, Marathon, Madison Street Boys, and Splinter Cell. I’ve worked with them on almost every project that has ever come down the pipeline with them and have lots of history with both of them. The Following views that will be discussed in this post come from One Friend to Another. One Film maker to another. And the views expressed are coming from a place of personal history with Ben3308, as he and I have known each other for close to 5 years now.

Now that I have stated that, I’m going to have to express a personal and professional point of view on what I actually believe just happened with your vote Ben...

While I appreciate the comments you made on the film, and take them into consideration… This is in NO way the point of view that was expressed to me in person. While I believe that every one should actively express their point of view, I cant help but wonder why it is that your stand point has changed since my upload on Fxhome…

When ¼ of your 5 star votes are all tied to projects you worked on or votes on behalf of projects that were tied closely to you I.E, Pages, Marathon, Cover Story Afternoon Delight, Redemption, Messages, and close friends movies Detention and Who We Are and Who We Are Meant To Be”; Directed by Chase Arrington. So given that you voted all of these films 5 stars, I’m going to assume that these films are your standards for what a 5 star film represents….

When these films appeared in the cinema you had no problem throwing your 5 star vote on all of the films listed above, Yet…when my film is displayed in the Cinema you choose to rate it lower. NOW….It is your right to do with your vote as you choose, But Your reasoning behind why you chose to vote my film lower then the films listed above are ironically arguable in the inconsistencies with your voting reasoning in the past.

Examples:

You feeling like the film had a lack of plot:

If you had a history of displaying interest in films that lack plot solidity I would be fine with this view... But the fact that you have actively voted 5 on films of yours that we can both agree on display a consistent lack of plot development on most occasions. and are usually sewn together by voice over. I cant take this in as a valid voting point of view, because your reasoning would have shown in past voting…and it doesn’t.

In regards to the placement at the awards of the 24 hour film race:

I have no problem with where the film placed in the contest. It took 2nd out of the hardest and most populated section of the festival. I feel honored in my placement. In all honesty one of the things I’m most proud of about this film is the fact that it got DONE and Turned In in 24 hours.

In regards to the 5 minute length of the film and it being hindered in the process:

I absolutely agree with this statement. There is much more character driven stuff that could have been done in a longer project. But Fact of the matter is, NONE of your films listed above are longer then 5 minutes (not counting the 2 minutes of credits) and most suffer from the same sickness of losing plot and character to the 5 minute restriction placed by the contest. And so you bringing the rating down because of the of the hindering 5 minutes is irrelevant when you have voted all of your 5 minute plot hindered films a 5 star vote.

Lack of back story:

While I do understand most peoples view on wanting to know the characters better… With you Ben, Its like calling the kettle black buddy. Most of your films have no inclination at all of a back story. So again this is an invalid point if applying the principles of which you judge a film.

So Ben while I appreciate you watching the film and voting. I cant hold your vote as one that can even be held to any standard when most of your points for voting are hypercritical. Your points are valid points and coming from ANYONE else they would be fine, but if you applied all the views you have listed above, to your own films most of them would have never received a 5 star vote. I suggest apply your standards to your own films before placing them on others.

Thank you for your post Ben, but please let that be your last post in this forum. Cause while I enjoy your friendship man, I don’t want you taking over my forum and turning it into a personal war zone.

Thanks for watching and voting,

Brian
Posted: Mon, 22nd Dec 2008, 7:51am

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I appreciate your concerns, but I feel they're ill-reasoned, and it's with this I'll have said my piece and leave this as per your instruction.

I think were I to have something against you on this site, my highest ratings wouldn't go to films in which you yourself have starred. biggrin That being said, I'm sorry that you've taken so badly to what I said, I meant no offense and full-well admitted that my criticisms were marked by cynicism.

To be clear, though, the only issue I have - and it's rather small - isn't the backstory, it's the lack of a plot, which I note would be supplemented by a backstory in any respect. I understand your qualms, but my small tidbit of a problem was that in this film, not that much necessarily happened during the five minutes, it was time-for-time acting happening in real time. I loved this style and it was done almost perfectly, but in making that creative decision I think you sacrificed some of the plot. Not a whole lot, but undoubtedly some.

I have never been bold enough to do a time-for-time dialogue, and have fully commended you in person for pulling it off, so this film is a bit of a different beast than my own. I enjoy montage and split narratives, and feel that - as evidenced by my high accolades on films in FXH Cinema like Lucky Strike and No!, et al - when it comes down to my personal tastes, these help to smooth the gaps in ambiguous narratives. It's my firm belief that, in most instances, things like internal monologue and overlapped dialogues help to supplement and sell otherwise midgrade plots. So yeah, it's my consistent, subjective opinion. I'm sorry if you've taken it any other way than I intended.

I find it unfortunate that you're questioning my integrity, man, most especially after I fully conceded that you made a better film than I've been able to.

But I digress.
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They are clear points and valid, but your past votes and reasoning are inconsitent with your current vote towards this film.

What I stated in so many words above was simply that if you judged this film the way you judged pages or redemption, the vote would have reflected something different. I just expressed my stated personal take on the occurance and thats the whole of it.

And as for how I view your films... You know good and well I enjoy them tremedously otherwise I wouldn't constantly keep showing up to help make them. My second comment in this whole forum was "that I look forward to seein the next Atomic Production". So in now way way would I state that this is a "better" film, It's just that I want you to judge my films the same way you judge yours.

Thanks for watchin man

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Posted: Mon, 22nd Dec 2008, 8:06am

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Sure thing, bro.

I'll back out of your topic, but hit me up on Facebook or something, I don't think you fully understand me.
Posted: Mon, 22nd Dec 2008, 8:08am

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Not to add insult to injury, but just so you know Ben's being sincere- I must note that he hasn't voted on any of our recent movies at all, Pages included. And I myself gave it a 4. I gave this movie a 5.
Posted: Mon, 22nd Dec 2008, 8:13am

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I’m not taking offense out of any of this. At all.

And I don’t doubt that Ben is being sincere. I just want to make sure that if my film is a 4 in your eyes because of all the standards you listed above, then simply apply this to the voting for future Atomic Productions.

Now guys we could do this all day long, but we’ve already turned this into a page of nothing but the 3 of us dialoguing. So lets try to keep this forum clear of us.

Thanks guys
Posted: Mon, 22nd Dec 2008, 10:46am

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I feel like adding something to this. Obviously, you're welcome to ignore it.

Ben and Atom have a history of arguing votes and opinions, same as you do now or did with bryce. I'd like to offer a suggestion on this: don't.

Every serious filmmaker obviously invested a lot of work, effort, sweat and blood into his work and naturally feels close to it. Many will also feel they did a good job - some more, some less. Some people will give their own opinion on their own work such a high value, that they start to feel personally insulted by everyone who doesn't like their film as much as they do. While this is understandable emotionally, it's something vital to grow above and evolve further.

People have different opinions. They don't share your viewpoints. And, most importanly, they don't have to. There is no objective truth when it comes to judging an artform as filmmaking. Some people love Star Wars, some hate it. Some people list Lord of the rings as their favorite film, others find it too boring to watch to the end. And neither of them is right or wrong. It's just their opinion and viewpoint. Take it as that.

What is the best way is this: Listen to the comments you get, decide wether that's something that might help you or not, take some, leave some. If you believe you're perfect already and worthy of a 5 with everything you do, then you most likely have a problem or are god's gift to filmmaking. Chances are, it's not the latter.
People take time to explain their views, that's nice and should be honored, even if you disagree with them. Arguing with the audience is about the worst thing any filmmaker can do in my opinion. There's no point to it and you're much better off just accepting that some people like your work less then others - for whatever reason. It's hard, but it's really important.
Posted: Mon, 22nd Dec 2008, 9:10pm

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Sollthar,

I was nervous about posting a response to Ben the way I did, simply because he and I are so close to one another, it was going be a personal email in a public forum either way. Hence why I posted a disclaimer.

In a lot of ways I have always loved this site for the primary reason of being able to discuss and sometimes even argue over film. Cause this seems to be one of the best niche places a film maker can discuss his film with a insightful audience on the net.

I fully understand that an audience does not have to like my film, but it has to be understood that the opinions of Atom and Ben3308 are going to come from a slightly different place, when i practically lived at their house growing up. And if it comes across that I don’t want to hear contrasting opinions I’m sorry. I just figured if someone takes time out of their day to write a response about my film, its only fair to respond in an honest and detailed response back.

I hold the responses and views of the Fxhome community to a different light then I hold most other sites. So when I get feedback on a film and want to DISCUSS it, I feel like this is one of the only sites on the net that allows us to do that in depth. So opinions are more then welcome on any film I ever post, that is why I host videos on Fxhome.

I hope that me choosing to discuss and explain why choices were made in the process of making the film doesn’t become annoying, when this is a forum that is solely dedicated to hearing the opinions from a community of film makers and enthusiasts. I see this as the one place on the net where its worth arguing/discussing over film and I don’t think this site would be the same without an active and constant stream of contrasting opinions.

So again I’m sorry if I have offended any one. Opinions are always welcome. But i will continue to discuss and acknowledge every message that is posted from someone who has taken time out of their day to write an entry about my film.

Thank you,
Brian
Posted: Mon, 22nd Dec 2008, 10:52pm

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SNI BRI wrote:

when i practically lived at their house growing up.
Heh. Things change so much, don't they? smile
Posted: Mon, 22nd Dec 2008, 11:01pm

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Yea, Good times man! Long live Splinter Cell!! lol
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Hey! Merry Christmas Everyone! Hope that you Fxhomers are all havin a Happy Holidays!

Brian
Posted: Wed, 31st Dec 2008, 1:48pm

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Cool short. smooth editing and cinematography, color grading was spot on also. nice, how did it do in the festival?
Posted: Wed, 31st Dec 2008, 5:59pm

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This was good with the camera work and acting. It kept my interest through the whole thing.
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Did the movie win?

Terrific work there buddy biggrin
Posted: Mon, 5th Jan 2009, 7:26am

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As I recall, it got second in the category.
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Hey guys,
The film took second in its category. I was really please with how we placed given the "two crew-two cast" group we had. Im glad you guys enjoyed it! Hope you all had some happy holidays!

Thanks,
Brian
Posted: Fri, 9th Jan 2009, 2:25am

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I thought the film was just all around awful. nothing happened.
A guy shaved his head, and then called his brother. They got in a fight for no reason, and then the brother died.
Oh ya!!!! What a great plot!!!!!!
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Hi Brian,

Having read some of positive comments coming from the thread I thought I'd make time to watch and comment on your short.

I think some of the cinematography in this piece stands out quite brilliantly, I especially liked the shot on the bench with the flags. The grade was also well accomplished and suited the story. I think you did a really great job with it.

I wasn't a fan of the story, it was okay but I didn't feel the connection others Fxhomer's have had, I didn't really care about the characters on screen and I wasn't really feeling the emotions they were going through. I'm sure with a longer running time you would have been able to establish that connection much more successfully, at least for me.

The main problem with this short isn't the filmmaking as such, I think you have a good grasp on that, for me it's the style. It's a style people will either take to or not, and I fall quite firmly in the 'not' category. This felt very Tony Scott, and that's fine, it's a stylistic choice and there's nothing wrong in that, but I can't say I really appreciate it as much as most.

Micheal Bay, Christopher Nolan, Paul Greengrass and dare I say, Ben and Atom, all like this technique to varying degrees as their preferred choice of telling a story. It's a style that I struggle to enjoy and it's one of the reasons I didn't enjoy Batman Begins as much as I should have and why it takes me so long to watch a film by Tony Scott. Although I was extremely impressed with Spy Game last night, it didn't bother me as much as say, Domino smile

Overall I found this short technically well made but average in content, it's obvious you have talent and I really hope you continue to push forward with making more movies. I'd especially like to see a film where you're not constrained by a brief or time restrictions of a film festival, I really believe that was holding you back from making something stronger. I'm certain it would be a film I would enjoy much more dispite the visual style. So on a brighter note this piece has left me really wanting to see more of your work, despite the style.

If this wasn't put together within 24 hours I would rate this bang on the half way mark, two and a half stars, but due to the nature and extreme circumstances the short was made in I feel an extra star is well earned. I think you did a great job and coming second in the festival is testament to that.

Best,
Ash
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ashman wrote:

Micheal Bay, Christopher Nolan, Paul Greengrass and dare I say, Ben and Atom
Heh. Not too shabby a list to be grouped into. smile
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Thanks Ashman,

I gotta tell ya man, that was a hell of a detailed review and I really thank ya for qetting into your points the way ya did! I agree with a lot of the things ya said, and am making it a point to better up on things of that nature. Thanks for taking out the time of your day to write up so much man!

I am currently working with a team of about 8 guys to shoot 4 shorts and begin a webseries between now and late April. I'd love to run them by the fxhome community first considering this is usually a pretty honest forum. And i think this would a good testing ground before they run the festival circuit.

and GbPpro...
Be careful how you handle yourself in other peoples forums, considering you've never hosted a video yourself, id recommend some candor next time you choose to express such a passionate point. Stuff like that always comes around. Always...

Atom...
I KNOW RIGHT!! lol smile
Posted: Wed, 21st Jan 2009, 6:17pm

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Jabooza

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Well, I watched this a couple times when it came out, but I haven't actually got around to commenting on it until now. So here goes.

Overall I think it was quite good, though I agree with Ben, I think that the backstory isn't implied quite enough. Not to say that you should explain things too clearly or anything, but you should probably hint at them a little more.

I also agree with most of the comments that the camera work, while it was good (nice framing, and some good pans), it was definitely overspastic. I think it's fine in the intense scenes, but when there really isn't a lot happening it's pretty ridiculous to have the camera shaking and zooming around and constantly going in and out of focus. It can even get kind of difficult to watch.


As was also mentioned, there were some audio problems, but other than that, it's quite good. Nice lighting and grading, great acting, and pretty good music (though I recognized it as a Sean Beeson loop used in some of Atomic's stuff).

-Jabooza