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Windows 7 beta available 1/9/09

Posted: Thu, 8th Jan 2009, 4:53pm

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If anyone wants to test drive Windows 7 the beta will be available to the general public tomorrow.
Posted: Thu, 8th Jan 2009, 5:21pm

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I find it a bit strange that they're marketing this as a brand new operating system. From a preview I saw earlier today it looks like an improved version of Vista - which is no bad thing, of course, it just seems a bit odd.

Maybe it's their naming policy that I don't really understand...it seems to imply that it's a brand new product, when it's really just a slight iteration.

It also seems mighty odd to be promoing this so early, when Vista has barely matured yet. I seem to recall XP being around for quite a while before Vista/Longhorn reared its head.
Posted: Thu, 8th Jan 2009, 6:59pm

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It may well be that there is a certain level of stigma still attached to vista and MS are quick to recover from that. I've heard a few people (who are on the original beta) say that Windows 7 is certainly an improvement over vista and (deep breath) easily justifies the upgrade from XP!

Part of me wonders if MS are getting sick of the coverage Apple is getting at the moment whenever they reduce the size of their products, and want some of that action for themselves.

I must admit, if I keep hearing good things about 7 then I *may* upgrade from XP myself, but definitely in no rush to leave a solid, stable and secure system just yet.

EDIT - Just checked Wiki and whilst it had been a number of years between XP and vista, the average for new MS releases seems to be around the two year mark. (3 years between 95 -98, 2 years between 98 - ME, 2 years between ME/2000 and XP)
Posted: Thu, 8th Jan 2009, 8:21pm

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Hmm, while I haven't read much about Windows 7 it seems to offer numerous improvements over Vista...my family does have a spare computer lying around - might try to repair it and install the beta on it just to give it a twirl smile
Posted: Thu, 8th Jan 2009, 8:52pm

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Basically, Microsoft was falling slightly behind because of the negative effects of Windows Vista. They lost a lot because businesses simply did not upgrade to windows vista, and stuck with win xp. This killed the OS. Vista had its share of problems, and people knew it. Many grew tired of hardware not being compatible and upgrading their software to the newer, more expensive versions that were needed to run with vista.

Microsoft needed a new OS. Yes, they will be supporting 3 OS's at once, kinda a lot, but they'll manage. The windows 7 will be better than vista by a lot. Microsoft will have had a chance to see what the problems were, where the performance and security holes were, and now knows what to do about them. You can look at it this way, Vista was a test drive of Windows 7. They found the issues, and are now going to fix them. I used Vista, still do on all of my computers. I love it, but many people don't feel the same way as I do. Hopefully Windows 7 will fix this and Microsoft will be able to win back customers who may have... gasp... switched to OS X because of vista.

XP was a successful OS and was cutting edge when first released. But XP is being retired. Microsofot is axing it soon. They would fall apart if Vista was their only OS as many people don't like it. If they have this new, better, awesome Windows 7, people who had XP, but don't like Vista will be happy again, and won't go to Apple.

Just my thoughts. Long live Windows 7!!! biggrin
Posted: Thu, 8th Jan 2009, 8:55pm

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Tarn wrote:

I find it a bit strange that they're marketing this as a brand new operating system. From a preview I saw earlier today it looks like an improved version of Vista - which is no bad thing, of course, it just seems a bit odd.

Maybe it's their naming policy that I don't really understand...it seems to imply that it's a brand new product, when it's really just a slight iteration.
Depending on how much of an upgarded vista it is, isn't that basically what Apple does with their operating systems?
Posted: Thu, 8th Jan 2009, 10:06pm

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DVStudio wrote:

Vista was a test drive of Windows 7. They found the issues, and are now going to fix them.
Maybe they should've considered fixing the problems before releasing it. wink
Posted: Thu, 8th Jan 2009, 10:18pm

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Jabooza wrote:

DVStudio wrote:

Vista was a test drive of Windows 7. They found the issues, and are now going to fix them.
Maybe they should've considered fixing the problems before releasing it. wink
yeah, well, they didn't

And, maybe they were unaware of the problems until they released it.
Posted: Thu, 8th Jan 2009, 11:11pm

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Hopefully Windows 7 is a lot better than Vista. I'm getting quite tired of all my friends with Vista complaining! razz
Posted: Fri, 9th Jan 2009, 12:46am

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now to think windows could not be more like mac os x. i feel bad to have that logo ------------------->

ps: its evil.
Posted: Fri, 9th Jan 2009, 1:54am

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I don't get the fuss about Vista and tend to think it's all whole load of misconstrewed negative word-of-mouth, stupid best buy employees giving untrue information, and the testimonials of people who've never actually used Vista.

Silly stigma, really. I quite like Vista, never ever had any problems, holdups, or annoyances with it that I have had in the past with numerous OSs, both Microsoft and Apple.

But hey, maybe I'm the minority here.
Posted: Fri, 9th Jan 2009, 2:24am

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Atom wrote:

But hey, maybe I'm the minority here.
Maybe.
Posted: Fri, 9th Jan 2009, 2:52am

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Atom wrote:

But hey, maybe I'm the minority here.
No. You're not.
Posted: Fri, 9th Jan 2009, 3:23am

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I haven't used Vista extensively, so I'm not the best source for this.

That being said, I used XP for years and now I dislike learning how to do things with Vista because it seems like Microsoft changed everything that was simple and intuitive in XP for no good reason. For example, Word on XP was great, so why make it needlessly confusing by completely redesigning the interface?!?

I'm sure if I spent a few weeks with Vista I would be fine, but for a now casual Windows user like myself, it can be frustrating at times.
Posted: Fri, 9th Jan 2009, 4:00am

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Jabooza wrote:

DVStudio wrote:

Vista was a test drive of Windows 7. They found the issues, and are now going to fix them.
Maybe they should've considered fixing the problems before releasing it. wink
Because it's possible to release software that is 100% flawless? sleep
Posted: Fri, 9th Jan 2009, 4:03am

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All I know is there wasn't anywhere near this much complaining when Apple released Leopard. wink
Posted: Fri, 9th Jan 2009, 5:20am

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Atom wrote:

I don't get the fuss about Vista and tend to think it's all whole load of misconstrewed negative word-of-mouth, stupid best buy employees giving untrue information, and the testimonials of people who've never actually used Vista.

Silly stigma, really. I quite like Vista, never ever had any problems, holdups, or annoyances with it that I have had in the past with numerous OSs, both Microsoft and Apple.

But hey, maybe I'm the minority here.
The upgrade to Vista, for me, cost hundreds and hundreds of extra dollars in hardware and software upgrades because of incompatibility- and I hate it's "Nanny/Nazi" way of dealing with everything. In short, XP is a mature, stable, reliable OS and Vista is pretty. That said, once you get into it- Vista seems rather nice, If you are starting from scratch, it's sure to be the way to go---- but the migration to Vista if you are a user that has many software and HARDWARE pieces that need to remain compatible (as I did) is EXTREMELY expensive and painful, and I still don't think it works the way it should...
Posted: Fri, 9th Jan 2009, 9:31am

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Vista for me has been fantastic. Vastly more stable than XP ever was, and I've never encountered any hardware or software incompatibilities.

I don't really understand Gibs' complaint about having to relearn how to use it, as Vista is essentially a smartened up and less clunky version of XP. It's really not especially different in terms of interface, it just contains lots of small improvements and tweaks.

However, I agree completely with the new Office programs - they're absolutely atrocious. The new multi-tabbed interface is awful. It's also completely non-standard and unlike anything else on Windows, which is a bit strange.
Posted: Fri, 9th Jan 2009, 5:19pm

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Hope they've fixed the problem with ATI videocards. I've got a HD4850 and it sometimes gives me a BSOD because of the ATI drivers not being compatible to Vista.
Posted: Fri, 9th Jan 2009, 6:17pm

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Bryan M Block wrote:

The upgrade to Vista, for me, cost hundreds and hundreds of extra dollars in hardware and software upgrades because of incompatibility
Really? I only had to add a DVD drive and upgrade my memory to 768MB on my 2001 Dell PC. What exactly did you have to buy?
Posted: Fri, 9th Jan 2009, 7:15pm

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Here's a more direct link to getting the demo but good luck. The site seems to be getting slammed at the moment. All I end up with is an error page after filling out the form.

I don't know what they expected when they said it would only be available to the first 2.5 million downloads but they obviously were not prepared.

Update: The above link is toast. Wired has direct download links but you will still need to get a key from MS.

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Posted: Fri, 9th Jan 2009, 9:07pm

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I like Vista. Haven't had any problems with it that I couldn't troubleshoot and fix (e.g. playing Beyond Good and Evil was a bit problematic, but I got there in the end). The latest version of VLC media player doesn't play region 1 dvds, but older versions do so it's no biggie waiting til that's sorted. No hardware problems either.
Posted: Fri, 9th Jan 2009, 10:46pm

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mVPstar wrote:

Bryan M Block wrote:

The upgrade to Vista, for me, cost hundreds and hundreds of extra dollars in hardware and software upgrades because of incompatibility
Really? I only had to add a DVD drive and upgrade my memory to 768MB on my 2001 Dell PC. What exactly did you have to buy?
For starters, my firewire audio interface (PreSonus) did not have proper drivers available to work in Vista. That required a buy, return, buy, return, process of finding hardware that worked since none of the drivers for Vista seemed to work correctly. Secondly, Vegas required an upgrade to version 8 to prevent some issues that arose with using 7 in Vista. Third, Magic Bullet doesn't appear properly in Vegas 8 now (it still works but the interface isn't correct) so that will require upgrading Magic Bullet- it's snowball effect. There were also problems early on with lots of little things, and I agree with the other poster that Vista has a slight learning curve- it requires a bit of re-thinking about the way you "used to do things" Since Vista Service Pack 1, and some updated drivers things seem to be pretty good with Vista, but the transition was as painful as I thought it would be, and I can see how business and home users that purchased a Vista machine and then installed everything just to find out they can no longer use their printer or scanner (LexMark) (I know several people that had to upgrade hardware like that because of switching to Vista- which usually means another outlay of a hunded to a couple hundred dollars they weren't expecting to spend) or whatever would find that a pain. When it comes down to it, I guess you can blame third parties and their bad drivers for the lukewarm reception of Vista, that and the "Nanny Nazi" crap that it does whenever you try to do something (which you can turn off) like get on the internet or install anything. But once you get over the hump it seems to work well and it shuts down better etc...
Posted: Fri, 9th Jan 2009, 11:09pm

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Atom wrote:

I don't get the fuss about Vista and tend to think it's all whole load of misconstrewed negative word-of-mouth, stupid best buy employees giving untrue information, and the testimonials of people who've never actually used Vista.

Silly stigma, really. I quite like Vista, never ever had any problems, holdups, or annoyances with it that I have had in the past with numerous OSs, both Microsoft and Apple.

But hey, maybe I'm the minority here.
did i ever say i hate it but its just a rip off i love vista besides i was like asking for it on my last birthday but now i want to get a mac to play around with it i find vista good for video games with dx10 and all that junk its pretty good even if im the only person in the house you has vista. biggrin
Posted: Sat, 10th Jan 2009, 12:19am

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Bryan M Block wrote:

The upgrade to Vista, for me, cost hundreds and hundreds of extra dollars in hardware and software upgrades because of incompatibility- and I hate it's "Nanny/Nazi" way of dealing with everything.
I'd say that's to be expected. Migration wasn't the key as much as it was 'starting from scratch', getting Vista on a new computer or something similar. The same is true with any piece of software that isn't merely an update, but a completely new OS the way Vista was. At least, I treated it like a new OS.

In short, XP is a mature, stable, reliable OS and Vista is pretty.
That's not really a true or fair assessment. Not at all. Like I said, I can only speak from my own experience- but I've really loved Vista. It's clean, easy, fast, and an improvement over XP in most ways/uses of an OS for me. Really, I think you might either be one of the Best Buy employees or people without real use of Vista I talked about earlier. smile

That said, once you get into it- Vista seems rather nice, If you are starting from scratch, it's sure to be the way to go----

Exactly true.

but the migration to Vista if you are a user that has many software and HARDWARE pieces that need to remain compatible (as I did) is EXTREMELY expensive and painful, and I still don't think it works the way it should...
That's a bit of an emotional and skewed conclusion, isn't it? "EXTREME", "painful", heh. Not in the least.

Well, once again not to turn this into a Mac/PC debate- but not in comparison to Macs- where every new OS has required the same/a more-expensive/painful/new computer migration. Granted, they've been on OSX variations for a while now and there's no real problem with any of this.

But don't treat Microsoft like it's some nasty minority here. There's no standard of seamless, cheap migration to go by- so why treat it like a crucial issue to begin with?

Tarn wrote:

Vista is essentially a smartened up and less clunky version of XP. It's really not especially different in terms of interface, it just contains lots of small improvements and tweaks.
Basically sums up my thoughts.
Posted: Sat, 10th Jan 2009, 12:46am

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Atom wrote:

Bryan M Block wrote:

The upgrade to Vista, for me, cost hundreds and hundreds of extra dollars in hardware and software upgrades because of incompatibility- and I hate it's "Nanny/Nazi" way of dealing with everything.
I'd say that's to be expected. Migration wasn't the key as much as it was 'starting from scratch', getting Vista on a new computer or something similar. The same is true with any piece of software that isn't merely an update, but a completely new OS the way Vista was. At least, I treated it like a new OS.

In short, XP is a mature, stable, reliable OS and Vista is pretty.
That's not really a true or fair assessment. Not at all. Like I said, I can only speak from my own experience- but I've really loved Vista. It's clean, easy, fast, and an improvement over XP in most ways/uses of an OS for me. Really, I think you might either be one of the Best Buy employees or people without real use of Vista I talked about earlier. smile

That said, once you get into it- Vista seems rather nice, If you are starting from scratch, it's sure to be the way to go----

Exactly true.

but the migration to Vista if you are a user that has many software and HARDWARE pieces that need to remain compatible (as I did) is EXTREMELY expensive and painful, and I still don't think it works the way it should...
That's a bit of an emotional and skewed conclusion, isn't it? "EXTREME", "painful", heh. Not in the least.

Well, once again not to turn this into a Mac/PC debate- but not in comparison to Macs- where every new OS has required the same/a more-expensive/painful/new computer migration. Granted, they've been on OSX variations for a while now and there's no real problem with any of this.

But don't treat Microsoft like it's some nasty minority here. There's no standard of seamless, cheap migration to go by- so why treat it like a crucial issue to begin with?

Tarn wrote:

Vista is essentially a smartened up and less clunky version of XP. It's really not especially different in terms of interface, it just contains lots of small improvements and tweaks.
Basically sums up my thoughts.
Well, My company and myself and several friends are "real Vista users" that have various other considerations that you as a home user probably don't have, for example using certain printers that interface with the server/terminal software that our accounting service package must interface with in order to work properly-or just plain not being able to use the old printer you have anymore, and the above mentioned audio interface issues that I had- I assure you those are very real hardware issues that had added costs associated with them, as well as the cost of upgrading software. First I was mocked on this forum for even SUGGESTING that it might be a painful upgrade IF someone had the considerations that I had to deal with (which were all proven to be true)- now you are mocking me because those problems really existed and you suggest that I should just "expect" that kind of extra outlay. It is you that remind me of the Best Buy employee that knows nothing of what "real users" needs might be- and just recommends the newest, flashiest, thing. Evidently a large enough % of Microsoft users (I'm guessing...business users?) had enough similar issues that Microsoft has abandoned the "Vista" moniker for "Windows 7" and has tried to addres those concerns in their marketing and in the tweaks they are making for Windows 7.

My position on Vista has always been that once it matures (meaning 3rd parties have caught up with driver support) and you have an appropriate machine that can utilize it- it will probably be great, but in the meantime if you depend on specific hardware or software packages, be prepared for a possible painful and expensive transition.
Posted: Sat, 10th Jan 2009, 4:57am

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I've been using Vista for almost a year and a half, and my computer is about three to four years old. Honestly, I've had no problems with Vista as in the OS; however, I've run into problems from programs that fail to run in it occasionally (this happened more when I first upgraded). Otherwise, Vista is pretty, and it works much better than XP. XP drove me up a wall. I hated that OS with a passion.

Windows 7 looks pretty, but like Max OS 10.6, Snow Leopard, I think the upgrade has to do more with fixes for performance issues than tons of new features, even though Windows 7 has added a small but good amount of new features.
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I've had the Windows 7 Beta installed on my Laptop for a couple days now, and I definitely like it better than vista. It's ridiculously responsive, and strangely, it's begun to look similar to certain Linux packages...


Anyways, I think it's going to be a the killer OS that Microsoft should have made Vista.
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Jabooza wrote:

All I know is there wasn't anywhere near this much complaining when Apple released Leopard. wink
Apple could release a Mac-crippling virus and its consumer base would still know better than to complain.... biggrin
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Tried to download beta, but they are adding more servers becaus of so many downloads. Wow. This OS must be huge!!!
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DVStudio wrote:

Tried to download beta, but they are adding more servers becaus of so many downloads. Wow. This OS must be huge!!!
Well on my computer Windows XP is 5.17 Gigabytes so yes I assume it would be......it's an OS.
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ben3308 wrote:

Jabooza wrote:

All I know is there wasn't anywhere near this much complaining when Apple released Leopard. wink
Apple could release a Mac-crippling virus and its consumer base would still know better than to complain.... biggrin
The only possibiltiy of that ever happening is because we don't know what a virus looks like... Ha
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mikeh wrote:

DVStudio wrote:

Tried to download beta, but they are adding more servers becaus of so many downloads. Wow. This OS must be huge!!!
Well on my computer Windows XP is 5.17 Gigabytes so yes I assume it would be......it's an OS.
No! An OS, really? You don't say? JK I was sayng that it ws HUGE in the sense that a lot of people were downloading it. I just downloaded it and am usng it now. I like it I really do. smile
Posted: Sun, 11th Jan 2009, 2:48am

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So, I downloaded the Beta, and I like it. A lot. Really, this is a super-polished up version of Vista. It runs smoothly, and, yet again, has spoiled me into thinking a beta is perfect (Google Chrome did this at first).

If you didn't like Vista then this OS is perfect for you! That's sarcasm; it isn't perfect for you because it's actually worse for the people that just wanted a fixed, shiny version of Windows XP. So, if you thought Vista was stepping too far away from the traditional Windows OS's interface, this will only make things worse for you. Sorry. smile
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But hey, maybe I'm the minority here.
No. You're not
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I know a guy who works on servers for big companies, and he just had to take some old PC's off the server and upgrade, he got them for free so hes giving me one to try and get Windows 7 to work on. I don't want to put it on my main PC just to be safe.