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Posted: Tue, 20th Jan 2009, 10:10pm

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We have a new chief executive today. Weird right?
Posted: Tue, 20th Jan 2009, 10:42pm

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I know, I'm going to have to get used to thinking of the president as Obama and not Bush.



p.s. It's kind of funny that his name is counted as miss spelled on my spell check smile
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Anyone notice that gas prices are creeping up again? frown
Posted: Tue, 20th Jan 2009, 11:38pm

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Obama sounded like a different man today....


may I say Reagan or FDR?

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Posted: Wed, 21st Jan 2009, 12:09am

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they made a huge thing about it at my school. Im not racist, but he won because he was different his ideas were basically the same, the ideas he didnt BS about. Anyway it is pretty weird.
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It's the end of the world as we know it! And I feel fine..... and politics suck....and watch he won't change anything.

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Posted: Wed, 21st Jan 2009, 12:22am

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Rockfilmers wrote:

p.s. It's kind of funny that his name is counted as miss spelled on my spell check smile
Lol me too. I think it will be interesting what Obama does with our country. Now we just have to wait and see.
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spydurhank wrote:

Anyone notice that gas prices are creeping up again? frown
this is a joke right?
Posted: Wed, 21st Jan 2009, 12:58am

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Was I the only one embrassed FOR Obama when he completely and shamefully butchered his swearing in. I mean, you only have to repeat a few sentences...You're not reciting the bible....
Posted: Wed, 21st Jan 2009, 1:14am

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Yeah he messed up his two lines when he swore in. Kind of lame, but at least his speech afterward made up for it.

Now I'm really curious about how his term will span out... I doubt he can possibly live up to everyone's expectations, but then just being mediocre would still be an improvement from W.
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Topic locked? Please.This is against the rules, as I'm sure you all know. This is going to turn into a big debate I'm sure. And will probably get out of hand.... wink Not saying it should or whatever.Just saying.
Posted: Wed, 21st Jan 2009, 1:34am

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It was a really great ceremony.

It sounded to me like it was Chief Justice Roberts who botched things up:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1Yff-_9MZs

His speech was obviously much better:

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=4739148n

I loved his reference to George Washington and Valley Forge.
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Now that I rewatch it, you're right: Obama was actually CORRECTING him. Nice.
Posted: Wed, 21st Jan 2009, 2:02am

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spydurhank wrote:

Anyone notice that gas prices are creeping up again? frown
After it dropped $2.50 a gallon. wink
Posted: Wed, 21st Jan 2009, 2:13am

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It was the Chief Justice who botched, not Obama. I thought Obama did a fantastic job and I look forward to his time in office. He is such a great speaker.

It is weird, though, thinking of someone else as President, especially since Bush has been president for as long as I've been caring about politics. I kind of rememeber Clinton but only from the affair.
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Hitler was a great speaker too.
Posted: Wed, 21st Jan 2009, 2:26am

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Ok I KNOW you didn't just talk about Hitler in a thread about Barack Obama. I think you mistyped something.
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Ha yeah, I tuned in on the radio. Turns out it was the chief Justice. None the less embarrassing.
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JSaint777 wrote:

Hitler was a great speaker too.
LOL Very true.

Bolbi wrote:

Ok I KNOW you didn't just talk about Hitler in a thread about Barack Obama. I think you mistyped something.
lol, well it is true. Hitler was a good speaker.
Posted: Wed, 21st Jan 2009, 3:22am

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Not saying it should or whatever.Just saying.
haha.

We got to miss like an hour of school to watch it. It was pretty interesting.
Posted: Wed, 21st Jan 2009, 3:33am

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They had it on a projector in my schools library today, even though we're in Canada. Not that it matters really it was a historical day even if it didn't have to do directly with our country. It was only students who had a free period that got to watch it though. Thankfully I was one of them. What about other countries? Anyone here who doesn't live in US or Canada watch it? I'm anxious to find out how wide spread the broadcast was.
Posted: Wed, 21st Jan 2009, 3:39am

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film freak wrote:

spydurhank wrote:

Anyone notice that gas prices are creeping up again? frown
After it dropped $2.50 a gallon. wink
Just got me thinking if he's gonna do what he says he's gonna do for the country.
Some of my buddies think prices may increas.
They dropped to $1.20 or $1.30 something in Central Florida, now they're up too $1.90 and rising in some places.

Sorry I know that was off topic so now let's get back to it.
If you want to read this... please read the whole thing as there are statements that may offend you but where not ment to do so. they are just my thoughts on this topic.
I was watching the thing on B.E.T. and wanted to reply when this thread 1st began earlier in the day, but to not sound like a rascist, yeah that was hard.
Any way so I was watching tv but quickly lost interest when it seemed that everyone including reporters kept bringing up the race and opression thing.
I thought it was tacky and uncalled for. I'm pretty sure that Obama has more class than that. It's almost like they were saying you screwed my poeple and now it's our turn at bat,
I know that's not what they ment but that's how they came across to me.
That really urks me when poeple do that. I'm just thinking, have a little dignity and don't bring that up. The reason I say that is because this country was built from the theft, murder and who knows what else of Native Americans. I have yet to meet a Native American that has brought up any anymosity towards other Americans for what their ancestors did to their poeple in the past.
I'ts like saying, there was a bully that beat you up as a child but as an adult you carried that with you and can't let it go and you have to bring it up every chance you get. Pretty childish.
Or if you're wife cheats on you, but you take her back and whenever you argue with her you bring up her cheating ways.
I mean why do that?
Why bring something up that's gonna possibly break down what you've been trying to mend? You're an adult so be an adult and get over it.

I know that a lot of bad things happened to a lot of good poeple but the thing is, most poeple only bring up what happened to them as if they had it worse than everyone else, it's not so good if you keep dwelling in the past. Learn from it and move on.

But then after thinking about it for a while, I said to myself "Frank... shut the hell up, you're thinking way too much into it" the folks that kept brining up the race card can say whatever they want to say. If anything they were probably actually just really filled with pride and a sense of accomplishment to see an African American win the office which blows my mind. It is a pretty awesome thing and I hope he's 20 million times better than Bush.
But yeah, I'm sorry if that sounded weird in any way and I hope no one is offended by it.

Go Obama,
Rock it, work it, own it my man! biggrin
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It was a really great ceremony.
It was an overly expensive ceremony.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28707475/

After it dropped $2.50 a gallon.
Yeah, but it is on the rise. It's pushing $2.00 were I live.
Ok I KNOW you didn't just talk about Hitler in a thread about Barack Obama. I think you mistyped something.
Well, it is true, even though Obama is not an evil dictator.

We got to miss like an hour of school to watch it. It was pretty interesting.
To be honest, I think that is a bit ridicules. Did any schools show the ceremony in 2001 or 2005? It's really no more historic then all the other inaugurations other then the fact he's a different race. It's not special enough to cost $150,000,000. Bushes last one was only 40,000,000 and Bill Clinton's was like 35,000,000 or something. Not a very good start. sad
Although I don't agree with his agenda, I do support him being the leader of the USA. It doesn't matter if I like him or not, he is now the president smile
Posted: Wed, 21st Jan 2009, 3:43am

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Rockfilmers wrote:

$150,000,000.
Holy Sh!t.
Posted: Wed, 21st Jan 2009, 4:39am

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The promise of the premise.

Just like a screenplay, if I may bring it all back to the reason for FXHome. Your screenplay must live up to the "promise of the premise"

Life is narrative.

Barack Obama's election is an example of the promise of the premise of America.

That's why it means so much to so many.

Now let's see if WE can do the same as citizens.

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Okay

1. It was not the Chief Justices fault, or what ever. It was Obamas own fault for messing up what he was saying, if he was "Correcting" what the Chief Justice was saying then he should have just said the correct thing instead of studdering like a man who knew he was lying.

2. I'm sorry Obama doesn't deserve to be President, he refuses to salute the flag, or the soldiers that have kept this country free!!!!

3. If you look at Obamas "supposed" education the school he went to doesn't allow people that are born outside there country into the school, note that the school is based in a "Muslim" country.
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Muslims can be awesome. In fact, some of the coolest people I know are Muslim.

Second, the 150 Mil. $ figure is including security (which is roughly 80 Mil. $), and in fact the actual budget for the ceremony itself is 2-3 Mil. $ more than Bush's.

Finally, why the heck do you people WISH Obama fails? I sure as hell hope he's a great president.
Posted: Wed, 21st Jan 2009, 5:36am

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This topic is hilarious.
Posted: Wed, 21st Jan 2009, 5:39am

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That's generally the result of discussing politics with people under 18 years of age. razz
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Pooky wrote:

That's generally the result of discussing politics with people under 18 years of age. razz
True, take it from a man of 53, I didn't know s$%t or care about politics until I was 25 or so. But I did vote for Regan, Bush and Bush again, yes Bryan an evil gun owning, right wing, constitutional family came here on the Mayflower (1620) conservative... too bad there are none, that I know of, holding any office in this country.
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Well. Good luck to Obama. Bet he can use some.
Posted: Wed, 21st Jan 2009, 10:51am

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Great ceremony (and I don't normally like ceremonies on principle), and interesting to learn that it was the other guy that fluffed the lines and not Obama.

Some of the religious aspects prior to Obama's speech seemed a bit much to my secular mind, but I thought Obama's actual speech was fantastic and very inclusive. It's remarkable to see a president considering all people, American and around the world, rather than having a really introverted view. I also appreciated that he acknowledged agnostics and atheists (no idea if this is standard, but I'm thinking not?).

Regardless of political inclinations, I find it bizarre that some people are still so negative about this whole thing. As Pooky says, why would you want to wish Obama to fail? Whatever your politics, surely you want him, and America, to succeed? The elections are over: get over yourselves and start doing something useful. As Obama said in his speech, ultimately you'll be judged on what you create, not what you destroy.

Here's hoping for a better 4 years.


As for this topic....I'm happy to leave it as long as it remains polite! But if people start spouting anything stupid (such as trying to use 'Muslim' as a dirty word, as I note one poster has regretfully already done) it'll be locked faster than [insert analogy].
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Rockfilmers wrote:

To be honest, I think that is a bit ridicules. Did any schools show the ceremony in 2001 or 2005? It's really no more historic then all the other inaugurations other then the fact he's a different race.

You hit the nail on the head my friend. smile

Rockfilmers wrote:

It's not special enough to cost $150,000,000.
Damn! That's alot of filming supplies!!! biggrin
Posted: Wed, 21st Jan 2009, 11:01am

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DVStudio wrote:

Rockfilmers wrote:

To be honest, I think that is a bit ridicules. Did any schools show the ceremony in 2001 or 2005? It's really no more historic then all the other inaugurations other then the fact he's a different race.

You hit the nail on the head my friend. smile
I dunno. You could look at it simplistically like that, but that would be to ignore the vastly massive international interest in this. The Bush administration's antics over the last 8 years has made this election much more important than other recent ones. There was a real sense of 'make or break' about it.

Politics generally tends to homogenise, so that whoever is in charge everything just stays more-or-less the same anyway, which is why people get apathetic about politics. Bush turned this on its head, though, as his foreign policy and approach towards civil liberties and other issues was fundamentally transforming America into something else entirely. So for once, the change to Obama does suggest potentially massive changes, far more than normal. Whether you prefer the Bush or Obama America isn't the point - it's the fact that they're so vastly different that is crucial.

Also, to reduce the race issue to irrelevancy as you seem to be wanting to do would be very naive and show a pretty basic understanding of history - not just of the US, but of the world in general.
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I know what you mean Tarn, but just because a certain race was discriminated in the 1960s but now has all the same rights in the 2000s isn't really a big deal, he is just a person like every one else. I'm not a racist at all. When some one says "the first African-American in office" I can't help but to think, if that is the only thing that made him special, why would different color hair or eyes be any different.

And for the cost, how much did they pay the celebrities to be at the ceremony, I highly doubt that they did it for free.


Finally, why the heck do you people WISH Obama fails? I sure as hell hope he's a great president.
I never said this, why would I want the president to fail? I just don't agree with his policies.
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If the colour of peoples' hair/eyes had been at the epicentre of decades of emotionally turbulent political history, which was now being poignantly mooted by a person with precicely those traits, who will govern the world's largest nation based in part on the lessons learnt from that turbulent time.... then I too wouldn't consider Obamas skin colour to be of any relevance.

As it is, however...

Come on.
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If the colour of peoples' hair or eyes had been at the epicentre of decades of emotionally turbulent political history, which was now being poignantly mooted, then I wouldn't consider Obamas skin colour to be of any relevance.
But it isn't decades ago. It's today. And yes, people were discriminated against in Germany in the 1930-1940s because of different hair and eye color, but we don't make a deal about it today.
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Warning! My 'Logic Breakdown' detector is going haywire!

Rockfilmers wrote:

I know what you mean Tarn, but just because a certain race was discriminated in the 1960s but now has all the same rights in the 2000s isn't really a big deal,
In what way is it not a big deal?

I mean, really, how can you spin that to not be a big deal? It's a massive deal!

he is just a person like every one else.
Yes, he is indeed. But you're missing the point, which is that until relatively recently, black people were NOT treated like everyone else. That's the point.

People aren't excited just because of the colour of his skin, on a purely aesthetic level. As you say, that would be no different from getting excited about someone getting voted in just because they happen to have red hair.

The point is that the colour of his skin means he is part of a group of people that have been historically persecuted for no valid reason. That America/the world is moving past that is a massive, MASSIVE deal.

I'm not a racist at all.
Nobody is saying that you are. Your comments don't mean you're racist, they just mean you have very minimal knowledge of history. You can fix that by studying, though. smile

When some one says "the first African-American in office" I can't help but to think, if that is the only thing that made him special, why would different color hair or eyes be any different.
When was the last time you heard about an entire group of people being sold into slavery, denied votes and rights and not being allowed into certain establishments, simply because of the colour of their hair or eyes?

Exactly.

Your logic is entirely carbunkled, I'm afraid. smile
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So what you're saying is that you believe people who's families were directly involved in some of the worst humanitarian atrocities in living memory, won't be affected by those memories?

Whether you or your family, or anyone you know gives a monkeys about slavery is not the point. The point is that a man for whome those issues are a daily reminder, is now in charge of the worlds largest nation.

It would be a psychological and medical first, if he and his policies wasn't in some way influenced by his background.

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When was the last time you heard about an entire group of people being sold into slavery, denied votes and rights and not being allowed into certain establishments, simply because of the colour of their hair or eyes?
Nazi Germany...
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Yeah, you do realise that some people are older than 17, right, Rockfilmers? crazy

And, no, Nazi Germany is in no way the same. It was a specific, localised period of history, under a specific, defined government/ideology/leader, which the world collectively said "er, no" and destroyed.

That's not the same as hundreds of years of legal slavery and subjugation, perpetrated all over the world.

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What does that heave to do with it?
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Heh, this is cute. Something tells me we're not quite debating this on the same level.
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Rockfilmers wrote:

What does that heave to do with it?
Presumably you're referring to my 'people older than 17' comment?

You seem to be arguing that since racism has not affected you, and that in your lifetime (to you, in your area) it hasn't been as big a problem as it was 60 years ago, that it's not relevant to anything anymore.

My point is that people are still alive today who directly experienced the institutional racism in the USA. It's not ancient history: it's very, very recent on any scale other than a teenager's lifetime.

Edit: Oh, also, Rockfilmers, you appear to have Godwined this discussion already. smile
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My point is that people are still alive today who directly experienced the institutional racism in the USA. It's not ancient history: it's very, very recent on any scale other than a teenager's lifetime.
...indeed, and the people it affected are still alive and in Obamas case, now in control of the entire country. If his judgement is not in any way affected by his experiences growing up, or his family's, he would be some kind of superhuman.

The reason the media are playing the race card, is because they know that the entire world will now be effected by a man who will be influenced by the past, whether you are or not.



Godwination for the nation!
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Tarn you are right, but I'm just trying to say that it shouldn't cost 150 million dollars to celebrate while we're in a rescission. I'm not trying to argue that to people who were not aloud to vote 50 or 60 years ago is a big deal to them now, I'm just saying that race doesn't make president any more significant to the United States. That is just my opinion. If it was Hilary who would have run, I think it would be the same thing with feminists around the world. It is great that a Black man is now able to be an office biggrin , I just don't think it makes him any more significant then any other president. It's hard for me to explain, and I'm not trying to be hard headed, I'm just stating my opinion. smile
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Yeah, fair enough. The cost of ceremonies is one reason I don't really like them. But, then, the funds spent on the ceremony probably wouldn't have been spent on anything useful anyway. It'd be interesting to see a breakdown of the costs, too, and how much went on unavoidable things like security.

While the news anchors kept banging on about the first African-American president, don't forget that that's not the only factor that's got people excited. It's a change to Democrat after 8 years too, so even if it was a white, male, Democrat president it'd still be a pretty big deal, I imagine. Plus there's the huge international interest which is very, very unusual - that's not so much due to Obama, but due to the global dislike of the Bush administration.
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It's a change to Democrat after 8 years too, so even if it was a white, male, Democrat president it'd still be a pretty big deal, I imagine. Plus there's the huge international interest which is very, very unusual - that's not so much due to Obama, but due to the global dislike of the Bush administration.
Yeah, and that's pretty sad. Let me tell you, Bush (and McCain) has really embarrassed the Republican party. It's to bad. He has been kind of push over on most things. McCain would have been the same way (Ron Paul could have been great).

It'd be interesting to see a breakdown of the costs, too, and how much went on unavoidable things like security.
Yeah that would be interesting.
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Moonloon1 wrote:

Pooky wrote:

That's generally the result of discussing politics with people under 18 years of age. razz
True, take it from a man of 53, I didn't know s$%t or care about politics until I was 25 or so. But I did vote for Regan, Bush and Bush again, yes Bryan an evil gun owning, right wing, constitutional family came here on the Mayflower (1620) conservative... too bad there are none, that I know of, holding any office in this country.
Why are you taking aim at me? I've said nothing about you or your family. "constitutional" and "right wing" have little to do with each other. Since everyone seems to be so fond of inviting Hitler into this thread, remember that he was also "right wing" but hardly interested in anything truly represented by the US Constitution- in fact, being "right wing" is in many ways directly opposed to many things in the US constitution.

Have a nice day! biggrin
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Why are you taking aim at me? I've said nothing about you or your family. "constitutional" and "right wing" have little to do with each other. Since everyone seems to be so fond of inviting Hitler into this thread, remember that he was also "right wing" but hardly interested in anything truly represented by the US Constitution- in fact, being "right wing" is in many ways directly opposed to many things in the US constitution.

Have a nice day!
Well, I think that the terms left and right wing have really gotten polluted. According to this http://www.politicalcompass.org/index the left and right only deal with economic issues while libertarian and authoritative deal with social issues. So be careful when calling some left or right wing.
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Rockfilmers wrote:


Why are you taking aim at me? I've said nothing about you or your family. "constitutional" and "right wing" have little to do with each other. Since everyone seems to be so fond of inviting Hitler into this thread, remember that he was also "right wing" but hardly interested in anything truly represented by the US Constitution- in fact, being "right wing" is in many ways directly opposed to many things in the US constitution.

Have a nice day!
Well, I think that the terms left and right wing have really gotten polluted. According to this http://www.politicalcompass.org/index the left and right only deal with economic issues while libertarian and authoritative deal with social issues. So be careful when calling some left or right wing.
Hence the quotation marks around the term(s).

Have a nice day!
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This thread is great, incredibly scary how many stringently neo-conservative under-18-year-old Republicans there are on here. Kinda odd for young people to be that way, I think, inevitably. That just makes it all-the-more strange.

I've been in and out of these arguments for the past 5 years, even back to debating Bush before Kerry was even known. In my time, all I can say to those younger than me (and granted, I'm only 19, but I've been here as while and...well....grown up throughout my time on these boards) is that you don't know all you think you do- at least not until you're 17 or 18 or so, and to act like you do not only makes you look completely oblivious, it comes off ass-ish.

But enough of that. I thought I'd comment on two Obama-unrelated things in this thread.

Rockfilmers wrote:

while we're in a rescission.
I hadn't realized the Edward Scissorhands' convention had retaliated again.

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(Ron Paul could have been great).
Probably because he's.......nothing like.......modern Republican....politicians........at all? biggrin The man was still a sensationalizing, overly idealist, ludicrously-strategizing-platforms (return to gold standard, anyone?) quack. (There I said it, all you 'I believe in the IDEA of America!' Juno-watching indies have at me.)

It doesn't really matter now, because to quote the great Young Jeezy, "my President is black; my lambo's blue, and I'll be goddamned if my rims ain't too."
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... the left and right only deal with economic issues while libertarian and authoritative deal with social issues.
Which is why our government is failing, as the people only see "left or right," while both sides have an equal opportunity to be immensely corrupt or authoritative.

...And they are. neutral

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Rockfilmers wrote:

(Ron Paul could have been great).
Probably because he's.......nothing like.......modern Republican....politicians........at all? biggrin The man was still a sensationalizing, overly idealist, ludicrously-strategizing-platforms (return to gold standard, anyone?) quack. (There I said it, all you 'I believe in the IDEA of America!' Juno-watching indies have at me.)
Alllll right, here's where you my friend are absolutely, dead wrong. Mr. Paul was a rarity, and he... well, he's just goddamn spot on in almost everything he says. I'd love to have a man in office that can predict an economic collapse a good while before it happens... Oh, and for the record, Juno sucked.
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NAZI stands for "National Socialism" my wife is a born and raised (till she was 30) German. Her father and his family fled Germany when he was 3 years old, they hate Hitler and what he did. Her Grandfather and Uncle were SS so she has a deeper understanding of it all than most Americans. It was the banks, American, French and English that funded Hitler in the beginning. Shell Oil fueled German ships during the war, why? Because the people with the $$$$ wanted world trade and an open market, they still do , look at how much closer we are today (WalMart, Red China). Our jobs are going overseas daily, last few times I talked to a service rep he/she was in India, Philippines, Taiwan.... Hitler became corrupt and as we all should know power corrupts completely. I just don't want our country to go anywhere near socialism and that is my only fear with Obama. He is our President and I will stand up for the office, I have proudly served this country and my President. I hope he does a wonderful job, he has my support until he does something I don't agree with. Then as an American with "Freedom of Speech" I will voice my right to speak out. And that is another thing I do not want taken away from me.
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Well a lot of good and some bad things have been said on this, but just wanted to throw out my congratulations to all Americans on here on your leadership change (whether you want it or not).

I thought the whole affair yesterday was absolutely spectacular, I think it would have been incredible to be there, the atmosphere looked electric! Luckily I got back from work in time to see it although I must admit I'm stunned at the cost.

Roll on Summer 2010!

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This thread is great, incredibly scary how many stringently neo-conservative under-18-year-old Republicans there are on here.
What's wrong with that? Actual, I'm not going to register with any party. But I do consider myself conservative because of economic issues.

Just because I'm only 17 does not make me oblivious to politics. I have my opinion on how the government should be run, just like every one else. I'm sure every one thinks "If only I was president, all Americas problems would go away." When I turn 19, I'll have the exact same opinion. I don't think we'll ever have another conservative president so the you Democrats have nothing to worry about smile.
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What's wrong with that? Actual, I'm not going to register with any party. But I do consider myself conservative because of economic issues.

Just because I'm only 17 does not make me oblivious to politics. I don't think we'll ever have another conservative president so Democrats have nothing to worry about smile.
Wonderful insight for someone 17 and I agree the Republican party has lost it's conservative core. "And now I fear for the Republic.".... And I am so disappointed with the Republicans that I will register independent, make that a conservative independent. And it's just as scary to see how many liberals there are.
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Atom wrote:

The man was still a sensationalizing, overly idealist, ludicrously-strategizing-platforms (return to gold standard, anyone?) quack. (There I said it, all you 'I believe in the IDEA of America!' Juno-watching indies have at me.)
You clearly didn't understand Ron Paul's intentions at all. He was mostly trying to get his ideas out there rather than win the election. And he did a damn good job if you remember the primaries. If he actually got elected, his administration wouldn't let him do most of what he was talking about, but his ideas would still bill reflected in his political decisions. I didn't vote for Ron Paul, but you have to not look at it from such literal point of view, it's not that simple. People do this every election, Ron Paul was just the first one that became huge on the internet. He wasn't a "quack"...

Oh, and for the record, I thought Juno was OK.
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This thread is great, incredibly scary how many stringently neo-conservative under-18-year-old Republicans there are on here. Kinda odd for young people to be that way, I think, inevitably. That just makes it all-the-more strange.
Ha, that's funny, I think your point of view is strange....and why is it odd? Do you honestly expect that everyone should come to the same conclusion as you? and if they don't they must be nuts? Remember the Cave theory my friend...

Anyways, my two cents on Obama's historical election is this.

Why do we have to elect a black president to FINALLY be over racism...Why is that the criteria? I mean, I see the significance of an African American rising to the highest Office in the land, but...To me it seems that there is a significant portion of people who voted for Obama BECAUSE he was Black, and because they wanted to see a black president so that they could finally say racism was over. That to me, is just as racist, and does nothing to conquer racism.

Nobody should even care about the race of a candidate, that little detail should be completely irrelevant. Because race neither helps nor damages you're ability to be a politician... We elect people for there idea's, not their skin color.

I'm not going to bash on people who want to celebrate the election of the first African American president. But I just think that it is a little hallow.

Celebrate the idea's he's bringing to the office, not the skin color. Or at least emphasize your celebration on his idea's.
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Serpent wrote:

Atom wrote:

The man was still a sensationalizing, overly idealist, ludicrously-strategizing-platforms (return to gold standard, anyone?) quack. (There I said it, all you 'I believe in the IDEA of America!' Juno-watching indies have at me.)
You clearly didn't understand Ron Paul's intentions at all.
That's quite an elitist/condescending attitude to take, now isn't it?

'You didn't like the guy or agree with him, so you clearly just didn't get what he was saying!' smile

Now I live in Texas, always have, and Ron Paul currently represents me. And has for quite a while now. Regardless of what you may say about him from all of your neighboring states, I can speak from his actual work where I live. I haven't been for/against him as far as his states-level work goes, but don't treat me like I don't know who he is. That'd be ridiculous.

Oh, and for the record, I thought Juno was OK.
Pretty much the demographic I expected to reliated, thanks for validating my statement. wink
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It just wasn't a bad movie. It wasn't great either.

But all I'm saying is Ron Paul wasn't actual considering even coming into office and doing all of those things. He was just getting his ideas to be progressive out there and got a LOT of support. He's not some crazy old cook who wants to make ridiculously ambitious changes in our government. That's just what I got from your post, so I can say that you "clearly didn't understand his intentions." I'm not saying you should necessarily agree with him, I'm just saying'...
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As it's probably known by now, the only candidate I liked was Paul, so of course I'm not thrilled about Obama, but eh, whatever is going to happen at this point is anyones guess anyway.


However, I'm so incredibly tired of hearing the constant "Black people finally won! They're free to succeed in life now!" crap. Seriously. It's kind of depressing to think that (supposedly) the popular opinion before Obama's election was something like "Black people are mediocre. If they're lucky, they might make it".


Everyone can make their own choices, and black AND white people have been able to succeed for quite a long time now in any field they wished to.

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The logic wasn't that "black people were mediocre." It's more suggesting something like: "racism is still a big problem in America, and not enough Americans would vote for a black president." It's just the media being realistic. Racism is a huge problem in America still. When the democrats were all fighting for nomination, I certainly didn't think Obama would get it until right before primaries.
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When the democrats were all fighting for nomination, I certainly didn't think Obama would get it until right before primaries.
Well, he did, which proves racism is not a big issue in the USA. I think that it is funny that the democrats were the big slave owners in 1800s (not funny about the slaves, but the 180 degree turn they have made). Now %90 of Blacks are democrat.
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You know, with the comments about people under 17 voicing their opinions on matters, I don't think that we should have to be quiet about it. In all fairness, most of us will eb voting in the next election, wether to relect Obama or send him on his way. It is ever bit our business right now to follow the issues and support particular candidates, because we, Am,erica's youth, are going to have to pay for the things that an Obama administaration wants to pass and will have to replace bailout money, etc. We should absolutely have a say in what we have to pay for. This is what many people have overlooked.

I am not saying it is the case here at all, but elsewhere, there are many adult voters who know less about politics than highschoolers. Again, not the case here, but elsewhere it is very common.

We are the ones who won't have social security and medicare. were the ones who will have to pay for the baby boomers and the people who are about to retire. The tabs of all these economic plans and stimulus pacjkages (1,000,0000,000,000 proposed by Obama) will all come back to us.

Just some thoughs. smile
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Well, he did, which proves racism is not a big issue in the USA.
Are you being serious? I don't know about where you live, but in the suburban neighborhood I've moved to, I can name a good amount of people that have gripes over blacks. Hell, a Christian high school in this city found racist slurs on it walls. The four students that committed the crime were expelled and given the opportunity to make an apology to the student body in order to get back into school. One took the offer.

Don't tell me "racism is not a big issue in the USA." It sure is, and don't expect there not to be any blowback from Obama's inauguration. I'm not trying to say something bad is going to happen, but there are people that won't settle for a black president in the White House.
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all I can say to those younger than me ... is that you don't know all you think you do- at least not until you're 17 or 18 or so
That one made me laugh out loud... smile Thanks
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Are you being serious? I don't know about where you live, but in the suburban neighborhood I've moved to, I can name a good amount of people that have gripes over blacks. Hell, a Christian high school in this city found racist slurs on it walls. The four students that committed the crime were expelled and given the opportunity to make an apology to the student body in order to get back into school. One took the offer.

Don't tell me "racism is not a big issue in the USA." It sure is, and don't expect there not to be any blowback from Obama's inauguration. I'm not trying to say something bad is going to happen, but there are people that won't settle for a black president in the White House.
Yeah, I'm serious. If people do any thing out of racism they get charged for hate crimes. What four students did is not the majority of the USA, they were just being little ignorant punks. They got kicked out of school. If that was in the 1960s, people would have just laughed it off. My point is racism is highly condemned these days (a good thing), which is why I made that comment.

Now, back on the topic of the original thread, I'm happy we have a new president, even though he wouldn't have been my choice. politicians are like diapers. They need to be changed and for the same reasons... biggrin
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Rockfilmers wrote:

Politicians are like diapers. They need to be changed and for the same reasons... biggrin
Who's bumper sticker did you get that one from?
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Yeah, I'm serious. If people do any thing out of racism they get charged for hate crimes.
And they should. Should they be persecuted for their views? No. But they should be punished for limiting another's rights.

What four students did is not the majority of the USA, they were just being little ignorant punks. They got kicked out of school. If that was in the 1960s, people would have just laughed it off. My point is racism is highly condemned these days (a good thing), which is why I made that comment.
Of course they don't represent the majority of the United States. If the majority voted for Obama, how does someone like that represent us? I think a large barrier was broken down through this election, but there still remains a phenomenal amount of bigotry in this country. But I digress...
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Who's bumper sticker did you get that one from?
haha, I got it from a friend, you would have to ask him lol. I just thought it was funny and true smile

And they should. Should they be persecuted for their views? No. But they should be punished for limiting another's rights.
You are right. But this is the way I look at it. If a white man killed a black man because he was black, he should be charged with murder. If a white man killed another white man for sleeping with his wife, he should be charged the same. I think a crime is a crime no matter the intention.
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Well, he did, which proves racism is not a big issue in the USA.
DUMBEST thing I've heard in a long time. I don't even know where to begin... So I'm not. Grow up and you'll learn (odd's are you won't though - and that's both a good a bad thing).

You're statement shows your immaturity. Racism is still definitely a problem in the US (And the world). Unfortunately it will never go away but to say it's not a big issue is pretty ridiculous.

EDIT: Really ridiculous.

MOD EDIT: Astronomically ridiculous.
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You're statement shows your immaturity. Racism is still definitely a problem in the US (And the world). Unfortunately it will never go away but to say it's not a big issue is pretty ridiculous.

EDIT: Really ridiculous.
Jena 6? Rodney King? Yep, I guess racism is not really an issue anymore.
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I think the proper phrasing is that it's not as big of an issue anymore. With all things considered, the concern of racism has taken a backseat to more pressing matters in recent years. Now we struggle against religious (particularly Islamic) persecution, global warming, et al.

Racism is still an issue, but on the agenda of things in America 'to fix' I definitely don't think it's even close to as high up as it used to be (considering it was issue #1 during Civil War and the Civil Rights era).

I think this is essentially what Rockfilmers was trying to say, that it's not too big of an issue when all things are considered. Why? Because the size of 'issues' have swollen in years, and racism's.....say, importance has contracted out of the monumental issue it once was. This is a demonstrably poor analogy, but it'd be like highlighting an AIDS epidemic in America. While AIDS was, 20 years ago, a huge deal and currently is still a killing, awful thing; it's nowhere near as pertinent to our priorities as it was, say, in the 80s.

Race is obviously an issue, especially considering things like Affirmative Action have effectively reversed the status quo rather than reform it; and we've now got this 'reverse racism'. Coming from a bad neighborhood and not the suburbs, I grew up with the same education, happenstance, and economic disadvantages as all my African-American and Mexican friends (of which I had many compared to my wealthier, white friends) so 'Affirmative Action' is a complete joke to me by virtue of the fact that it's based on a proclaimed racial identity, not an economically-challenged upbringing.

In short, however, race is and will always be an issue. But it is far from the biggest issue, if that. I'm taking an Advertising Psychology class right now and was notified today it would only be about the sociological effects of anti-African-American sentiments in ads. While I agree with the cause, I think paring down a 2500 dollar course to only one race of people and only one psychological schema is a bit shallow and self-deprecating; and I think that this borders on what Rockfilmers was saying: there's a lot more out there than race, so why make race, in particular, one of the biggest deals?

Just some food for thought.
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Why do we have to elect a black president to FINALLY be over racism...
What? Who on earth said that we are 'over racism'?? That's a bonkers statement to make. This is an important step, but anybody that thinks racism is 'over' is deluded.

To me it seems that there is a significant portion of people who voted for Obama BECAUSE he was Black, and because they wanted to see a black president so that they could finally say racism was over. That to me, is just as racist, and does nothing to conquer racism.
There undoubtedly will have been people like that. Just as there will have been people that didn't vote for him for the same reason. Hence racism is still an issue.

However, consider if Obama had been a Republican, and shared the exact same views as McCain. What then? I can't help but think that Obama's views and Democratic status secured him the presidency, NOT his skin colour. Skin colour undoubtedly was a factor, but if he'd been a signed up member of the Bush Fan Brigade, then he'd not be in the White House right now.


To move away from this really quite daft issue......(I mean, really, didn't we all discuss this to death about 6 months ago? Move past it, people!)....

I think what I love the most about Obama's stance so far, as shown in his campaigning and especially in his first big speech on Tuesday, is his absolute and complete rejection of fear.

That seems to be the core of his presidency so far. Fear has no place in it. Whereas the Bush administration's main currency was fear, knowing that it's the best way to manipulate a large population into letting you do whatever the hell you want, leading America and the world into a scarier and scarier place over the last 8 years, Obama seems to be going back to the truism of "there is nothing to fear but fear itself."

About time!
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CX3 wrote:

Rockfilmers wrote:


Well, he did, which proves racism is not a big issue in the USA.
DUMBEST thing I've heard in a long time. I don't even know where to begin... So I'm not. Grow up and you'll learn (odd's are you won't though - and that's both a good a bad thing).

You're statement shows your immaturity. Racism is still definitely a problem in the US (And the world). Unfortunately it will never go away but to say it's not a big issue is pretty ridiculous.

EDIT: Really ridiculous.

MOD EDIT: Astronomically ridiculous.
.02 though, I think it is accurate to say that for many black folks it seems to have been a realization that RACE matters LESS to MOST white folks than most black folks thought it did. There have been numerous articles, polls, and opinion pieces talking about just that very thing- many by black journalists. I mean, just a few months ago Chris Rock was still making jokes such as "Even if Obama gets the most votes...it will be too bad because THEY won't let him win- THEY just won't!" Who exactly was Chris Rock talking about? I know he was making a joke, but seriously- I hope that at least "race" isn't always SEEN as the big deciding factor, good or bad, in the US in any persons life the way it has been portrayed, even in the post civil-righs era, because in my own lifetime Ihave seen race BLAMED for so many things that had nothing to do with race, that I'm ready to move on and we can get back to hating each other for other reasons such as taste in films, sports loyalties, cheese preference, and fashion sense!!!

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.02 though, I think it is accurate to say that for many black folks it seems to have been a realization that RACE matters LESS to MOST white folks than most black folks thought it did.
I think this is getting closer to articulating what some others have been trying to say here, and is a good point. Though it wasn't just black folks that thought race matter to most white folks. I was also fairly convinced that race would be a bigger problem for white folks.

As an outside observer, I really didn't think that Obama had a chance. While he was clearly a great candidate for blacks and whites that don't have racial prejudices, and for black folks that do, I was fairly convinced that there would be more white people that would have a major problem with it.

The fact that this doesn't appear to be the case is, of course, utterly fantastic.

Interestingly, I have suspicions that racial prejudice in the UK would prevent a black person from being Prime Minister here. Although race is a more prominent and 'in your face' issue in the US, here in the UK it's more of a subtle, simmering problem. But, who knows? I was surprised by US voters, and it'd be good to think that my fellow Brits could also surprise me with being open minded.

I suspect I'm rambling.
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Tarn wrote:

Bryan M Block wrote:

.02 though, I think it is accurate to say that for many black folks it seems to have been a realization that RACE matters LESS to MOST white folks than most black folks thought it did.
I think this is getting closer to articulating what some others have been trying to say here, and is a good point. Though it wasn't just black folks that thought race matter to most white folks. I was also fairly convinced that race would be a bigger problem for white folks.

As an outside observer, I really didn't think that Obama had a chance. While he was clearly a great candidate for blacks and whites that don't have racial prejudices, and for black folks that do, I was fairly convinced that there would be more white people that would have a major problem with it.

The fact that this doesn't appear to be the case is, of course, utterly fantastic.

Interestingly, I have suspicions that racial prejudice in the UK would prevent a black person from being Prime Minister here. Although race is a more prominent and 'in your face' issue in the US, here in the UK it's more of a subtle, simmering problem. But, who knows? I was surprised by US voters, and it'd be good to think that my fellow Brits could also surprise me with being open minded.

I suspect I'm rambling.
Yes, I guess that being a white person who grew up in inner city schools and all that, and have had black room mates, friends, and associates, and living in the 15th largest city in the US that just happens to have a black police chief, black fire chief, black mayor, black school superintendent, and a city council that is almost all black- even though black folks only make up about 20% of the region/county I've never understood why people thought that race was such a big factor- it seemed to me that inner city black folks, and liberal suburban white folks were the ones that seemed to have the most "negative" view of race/racism/race relations. I was laughed at in 2004 in my college class room for suggesting that we probably would see a black president within the next 12 years- the reason? the African American professor and the mostly liberal white suburban kids believed the nonsense that was being preached that "whites are pathologically racist because they exist in a world of "white privlege that is invisible to them" " Which, of course didn't reflect ANY of my life experiences, and which I thought may have been true in more homogenous society- but since the great migration, WWII, and the civil rights movement- all of that had changed race relations- or should I say "race perceptions" into a much more complex web of identity politcs, and it was my contention that race is just one of many factors people are "weighing" in any given situation- and obviously, it wasn't as high on "white people's" agenda as many people thought it was. In fact, I have to applaud Donna Brazille (African American columnist) for even pointing out that the so-called "Bradley Effect" wherein LA mayor Tom Bradley was not elected, even though a majority of voters (whites) said they would vote for him- but it is suspected that they changed their minds in the voting booth by the authors of the study- setting out to prove that white folks will say one thing so as not appear to be racist, but then do just the opposite- could very well have been non-existant. The margin by which Bradley lost was WITHIN THE STATISTICAL MARGIN OF ERROR OF THE STUDY- which means that it was inconclusive (even though some black commentators would have had you believe it was proof positive of white pathological racism). Obviously it didn't manifest in the Obama election the way many thought it might- in fact it was just the opposite! I think when it came down to it, many people that were on the fence took a hard look at the Republican ticket, and chose Obama/Biden for any number of reasons.

Regardless of all of that I think that this election is going to cause alot of people to reflect on what they thought was the "established order of things" in US society and hopefully they will stop trying to impose race issues where there are none, and be able to discern real racism when it rears it's ugly head.
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i am prety confident Barack Obama will do us proud
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I'm originaly from Texas but when my parents divorced we moved to Georgia with some relatives who lived there and also in Florida.
I noticed that the two states are way, way different concerning people and the way they treat others.
I had a ton of black friends in Georgia that I still think about and hope they're doing fine.
Some got my brother and I into different sports, weight lifting, horror flicks, comic books and yes D@D. biggrin THey were the freindliest bunch of guys.
When we settled in Florida I was thrwon for a loop.
In high school there was a lot of rascial tension. Not just blacks and whites though. I'm part native American and Spanish. In school I grew to hate anyone that was spanish, but only because everyone seemed to want you to join and stick with their ethnic group in almost gang type situations. My brother and I were'nt into all that so we were targeted by the spanish guys for not wanting in on their crap and targeted by the blacks who knew we were'nt in any stupid little group.
It was never a one on one thing, it was you against 12 or more guys. I can recall every single time that I was jumped by a group of black or spanish guys to this day. Hell this one time, this puerto rican kid twice my size came after me with a pair of brass knuckles. "ouch" those things hurt. Heh.
So one day my brother and I discovered this whole new group of people that were as diverse and friendly as the kids that I'd met in Georgia.
Poeple called them skate punks and several other names that I won't mention. I called them skaters and friends.
There were black, white, puerto rican, cuban, chinese, japanese... any ethnic group you can think of. There were even a couple of skin heads as hard as that is to believe.
When we skated no one was fighting or arguing about race or any stupid crap like that. We may not have been the closest friends with all the guys but we all got along just fine.
Eventually everyone graduated from the hell I knew as highschool and grew up.
Once in a blue moon I'll run into the guys that I skated with and sometimes I'll run into the guys that used to beat my ass like there was no tomorrow.
My point is...
The guys that had nothing better to do than pick on little nerd "me" were just exactly that, little punk kids with nothing better to do.
I don't throw that back in their face to spite them. I remember what they did but I don't spite them for it. It would be entirely childish of me to even think of doing so.
Yes Race is an issue to some folks, hell there's tons of K.K.K. groups 15 miles from where I live. There's even a place named the" K.offee K.up K.afe but there comes a time when you have to let it go and grow up, learn to get past it an move on.
Just like I was wrong to hate every spanish person that I met,
I think it's wrong for the race thing to always have to come up and put a damper on things.
I know that people were screwed up back then for doing what they did but that was then and this is now.
When I was 6 my grandfather used to tell me stories from when he was a kid. How most of his tribe as well as others were almost wiped out.
He would tell me that we were'nt put here to hate others so you shouldn't hate someone just because they hate you.
I'm not saying that folks should forget that dark time but you shouldn't let be "the end all, be all" that rules your entire life.
If me as a kid, can get over something that no one should have to go through... well so can everyone else.
Now I'm gonna go do an indian rain dance for you guys. biggrin


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Rockfilmers, I rest my case.

EDIT: Just browsing reddit.com, and I saw some pretty interesting articles about Obama, The White House, and Guantanamo. That first article is an order to release Bush's "secret records" to the public.

From what I've seen here, I'm sort of liking the guy, but there's a lot of things he could very well do wrong. We'll see...
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end of day of two and all is smooth biggrin
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I never realized why a lot of people thought he didn't have a chance because of race. Poll after poll continued to come out saying that not only was it not an issue, but that people were more likely to vote for a black person than they were a woman or an atheist.

What we need to focus on is not race prejudice but prejudice in general.
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Yeah, I thought he was going to win most of the time. I think that him being so... young was a more distingishing trait then him being half-black, half-white. But it seems people like to dwell on his race very much... Yuck wink

BTW, I wonder if the new USA president was a redhead (I don't think you had any so far, did you?), people would make such a big deal out of it smile
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fertesz wrote:

BTW, I wonder if the new USA president was a redhead (I don't think you had any so far, did you?), people would make such a big deal out of it smile
I think we've covered this already: while redheads have sometimes experienced bullying at school or have been the subject of jokes, that kind of prejudice isn't really comparable to the kind of prejudice experienced by the black community.

So, no, of course people wouldn't make such a big deal out of it. smile
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Perhaps you are right smile Still, knowing how abstract people's behaviour can be (especially when it comes to politics), I can't help but wonder cool

And by the way - I was in no way comparing prejudice experienced by any group, ever. Saying that just to make sure, because people seem to like reading between the lines... when nothings there too razz

Anyway, that's not really about Barack, so sorry for the offtopic redface
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I don't think we ever did have a red head president.

I think we've covered this already: while redheads have sometimes experienced bullying at school or have been the subject of jokes, that kind of prejudice isn't really comparable to the kind of prejudice experienced by the black community.
Tarn, your right that they haven't been discriminated against as harshly, I believe it is just as wrong to do.
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Absolutely. Any kind of prejudice is a Bad Thing, regardless of the theme.
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Rockfilmers wrote:

I don't think we ever did have a red head president.
False. One of our greatest presidents (and my personal favorite) was definitely a redhead. Thomas Jefferson; a ginger he was indeed.
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False. One of our greatest presidents (and my personal favorite) was definitely a redhead. Thomas Jefferson; a ginger he was indeed.
Oh yeah, how did I forget him? confused
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Nice, didn't know that.

And speaking of Obama again - as I briefly looked through some newspapers here in Poland, I believe the sole fact of him being the new president gets America better publicity here. As much as Bush was disliked by many, Obama is pretty much opposite.
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If memory serves me correctly, Bush wasn't near as hated until about a year after the invasion of Iraq.
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fertesz wrote:

I wonder if the new USA president was a redhead (I don't think you had any so far, did you?), people would make such a big deal out of it smile
Thomas Jefferson.
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Hey, thanks D3L3T10N, but Gorion already pointed that out smile Well, thanks anyway wink
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Oops, sorry.
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Hey, i've stayed out of a political thread for once! At least, for seven pages.
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If only I could do the same smile .It's just too tempting to state my views! crazy
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This thread is like looking at myself in a time machine mirror of some sorts - flashbacks to 4 or 5 years ago.

What I see isn't pretty.

Just let that be a warning to all of you of that age now voicing your opinions.

I can almost guarantee that you'll have very different views than you do now next election cycle. And that is the beauty of... growing! razz
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Evman wrote:

I can almost guarantee that you'll have very different views than you do now next election cycle. And that is the beauty of... growing! razz

Me 1.5 Years Ago wrote:

I hate rap.
*Drops his head in shame*

Evman is dead on... You might end up looking back at yourself and laughing. Or in some cases crying. smile
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Fill wrote:



Evman is dead on... You might end up looking back at yourself and laughing. Or in some cases crying. smile
In the case of this specific thread - more likely crying.
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I think the big thing to us, Evman, is that we've been met with political elections/debates here on FXHome at two specific times in our lives- the first going into highschool for the first time, and the second easing through the first year of college; and I think that's what makes more of an impact on this to all of us. But your point is still very much a reality.

I've basically kept most of my same political sentiments, kind of unlike Evman, but I regret not showing more restraint way back then and notice how the way I look at politics and voice them has matured. I'd caution to show restraint and not get on your high horse, especially if you're in the 13-16 year old range. You'll look back, guys, and put your hand over you face in a "d'oh!" moment in a few years at the comments you've made here.
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So once we get to the age of 18-19, we can jump right onto our high horse smile
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Atom wrote:

I'd caution to show restraint and not get on your high horse, especially if you're in the 13-16 year old range. You'll look back, guys, and put your hand over you face in a "d'oh!" moment in a few years at the comments you've made here.
I think you're overestimating a few of the posters here...
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Bolbi wrote:

So once we get to the age of 18-19, we can jump right onto our high horse smile
Hopefully we jump off our high horse once we get to that age, but some never do.
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Atom wrote:

I think the big thing to us, Evman, is that we've been met with political elections/debates here on FXHome at two specific times in our lives- the first going into highschool for the first time, and the second easing through the first year of college; and I think that's what makes more of an impact on this to all of us.
Which, every time I think about is so awesome. I feel so lucky to be born when I did. Everything just seems to be working out... except for that whole recession thing... unsure
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Evman wrote:

Atom wrote:

I think the big thing to us, Evman, is that we've been met with political elections/debates here on FXHome at two specific times in our lives- the first going into highschool for the first time, and the second easing through the first year of college; and I think that's what makes more of an impact on this to all of us.
Which, every time I think about is so awesome. I feel so lucky to be born when I did. Everything just seems to be working out... except for that whole recession thing... unsure
Absolutely true. Perhaps an even scarier/more surprising aspect of it all: Can you believe we've been on here 5 years now? smile
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Holy crap. Yeah I joined January of 2004.

That's scary.
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Atom wrote:

I'd caution to show restraint and not get on your high horse, especially if you're in the 13-16 year old range. You'll look back, guys, and put your hand over you face in a "d'oh!" moment in a few years at the comments you've made here.
It's worth noting that this continues throughout life. You may think you've gone beyond the "silly, embarassing comments" stage, but give it another 5 years and you'll probably be looking back on these posts and thinking exactly the same thing. razz

It's not a bad thing, though, as it proves that you're developing and advancing as a person. When you look back and you're not embarassed by prevoius comments, or you haven't changed at all, THAT's when you have to be worried.
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Evman wrote:

This thread is like looking at myself in a time machine mirror of some sorts - flashbacks to 4 or 5 years ago.

What I see isn't pretty.

Wow. You're sooo right. I looked back at my posts from a year ago, and though, holy crap! What the hell was I thinking!! Sorry for the language but you guys had every right to be kinda annoyed with me when I first got here. I was a complete idiot. Heck, I'd have been annoyed with myself. Man I wish I could reach into my computer through the past year and slap myself across the face. What was I thinking?!?! Thank God people change. I know I have, and I've only been here for a year. biggrin And I apologize for the stupidity I showed. That must have taken every ounce of strength to hold back telling me to f'ing get lost. Thanks for keeping your cool guys- some of the stuff I asked was retarded.

Well, I guess part of growing up is to recognize your mistakes in the past and learn from them. Don't repeat them and move forward. Thats the key. smile

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It's worth noting that this continues throughout life. You may think you've gone beyond the "silly, embarassing comments" stage, but give it another 5 years and you'll probably be looking back on these posts and thinking exactly the same thing.
Very true. I'll definately look back at my posts and opinions from right now even and be like what the heck!? What was I thinking? biggrin
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you guys had every right to be kinda annoyed with me when I first got here. I was a complete idiot.
Was? smile
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Atom wrote:

DVStudio wrote:

you guys had every right to be kinda annoyed with me when I first got here. I was a complete idiot.
Was? smile
We're all idiots, really, when you think about it.
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Pooky wrote:

Atom wrote:

DVStudio wrote:

you guys had every right to be kinda annoyed with me when I first got here. I was a complete idiot.
Was? smile
We're all idiots, really, when you think about it.
Yes, even you Atom. Even you.
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ssj john wrote:

Pooky wrote:

Atom wrote:

DVStudio wrote:

you guys had every right to be kinda annoyed with me when I first got here. I was a complete idiot.
Was? smile
We're all idiots, really, when you think about it.
Yes, even you Atom. Even you.
I'd say, especially you. razz

(I kid, I just wanted to continue the quotation train.)
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Evman wrote:

ssj john wrote:

Pooky wrote:

Atom wrote:

DVStudio wrote:

you guys had every right to be kinda annoyed with me when I first got here. I was a complete idiot.
Was? smile
We're all idiots, really, when you think about it.
Yes, even you Atom. Even you.
I'd say, especially you. razz

(I kid, I just wanted to continue the quotation train.)
Choo choo
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Guys... You're getting philosophical wink
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i look at bush as an unsmart, unintelligent man who doesn't know how to run our country properly.

Oh, and if anyone of you have seen the original series of "Get Smart", tell me Maxwell Smart doesn't look almost exactly like Bush.
whats funny is they both have the same amount of brains.

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futurefilmmaker wrote:

Dude i waited so long for bush to get kicked outa here. Im so glad obamas in office if we woulda had grandpa mccain inaugurated i would have moved to canada since he mighta died in office therefore leaving our country in the hands of a frantic hockey mom which i really think is just tard . The only reason i didn't move to canada while bush was still in office was because i knew he couldn't do anything stupider to our country than he already did.
And good thing no one tried to assasinate him, or we woulda had cheney take over. im glad no ones as stupid as bush to do just that
Thank you futurefilmaker for giving us a prime example of what we've been talking about for the last few pages.

It's only a matter of time before you look back at that post and cringe.
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Well, aside from being poorly expressed, I'd say his opinions are somewhat representative of what everybody who isn't an American republican thinks. Not that being one is bad, I'm just sayin'.
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Fair enough. Though I wasn't implying that he will look back at his opinion of Bush and cringe, but rather his ridiculously radical way of expressing his hate for Bush.

FutureFilmmaker how old are you? I'm curious...
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Fair enough. Though I wasn't implying that he will look back at his opinion of Bush and cringe, but rather his ridiculously radical way of expressing his hate for Bush.

FutureFilmmaker how old are you? I'm curious...
I still hate the Bush administration, although not the man himself. I am still baffled by those that voted for him the SECOND time (I understand the first time...to a point) I doubt anything will ever change that. Although it is not nearly as deep as my hatred for George Lucas at this point in my life... evil twisted
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Bryan M Block wrote:

I still hate the Bush administration, although not the man himself. I am still baffled by those that voted for him the SECOND time (I understand the first time...to a point) I doubt anything will ever change that. Although it is not nearly as deep as my hatred for George Lucas at this point in my life... evil twisted
I did vote for him the second time around but I do regret that now. The only thing good that came out of Bush is no attacks on our soil. But why do you hate Lucas? Just curious.... as you know hatred leads to anger and that leads to the dark side! Ha... sorry, I had to throw that in there.
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But why do you hate Lucas? Just curious.... as you know hatred leads to anger and that leads to the dark side! Ha... sorry, I had to throw that in there.
Oh god don't get him started...
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Moonloon1 wrote:

I did vote for him the second time around but I do regret that now. The only thing good that came out of Bush is no attacks on our soil.
Other than...you know, 9/11?


One interesting development that was on the news this morning is that Russia has halted its plans to put missile silos on the Polish border, citing a change in US attitude since the administration changed.

Hopefully this is a sign of things to come, and what happens when you put an intelligent, informed president in power who actually has an interest and understanding of the outside world.
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yah... maybe i was overexpressing on my last post...

its just fun getting on peoples nervs somtimes biggrin
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futurefilmmaker wrote:

its just fun getting on peoples nervs somtimes biggrin
I'm sure you'll grow out of that one day. Thankfully most people find it more fun to help people than to get on their nerves.
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I'm sure you'll grow out of that one day. Thankfully most people find it more fun to help people than to get on their nerves.
And if EVERYONE in the world didn't take things so seriously we would have peace. And historically the attacks come in the first six months of a new president. I got that tidbit from a retired FBI agent that records at my studio.

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Other than...you know, 9/11?
That was his first term, not the second.

One interesting development that was on the news this morning is that Russia has halted its plans to put missile silos on the Polish border, citing a change in US attitude since the administration changed.
I honestly don't under stand this. The US has nothing to do with Poland right now. Poland wants to join NATO (Considering there is no more Warsaw Pact I don't understand why there still is a NATO) so Russia said that they would become a nuclear target. What does Obama have to do with that? Will Obama tell Poland that they can't become a member of NATO? I think the world is expecting a World peace just because Obama was elected. That is not going to happen. I don't care what any one says. There can't be global peace and unity with out every one being forced to think the same way (1984 anyone ?)
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Rockfilmers wrote:

One interesting development that was on the news this morning is that Russia has halted its plans to put missile silos on the Polish border, citing a change in US attitude since the administration changed.
I honestly don't under stand this. The US has nothing to do with Poland right now.
Sorry, I should have linked to the main article in my earlier post:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7855216.stm

The background to the story is that the US has a LOT to do with Poland right now, because the Bush adminstration wanted to load the country up with US radars and interceptors. Hence Russia getting in a panic.

Maybe you missed it in the US news, as the election coverage probably overwhelmed other stuff?
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Tarn wrote:


I'm sure you'll grow out of that one day.
yes, i most definently will.

I do find it fun to help people as well.
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Just a side note, every country gets a different picture of world politics. My wife's parents (German) have a completely different world view. And my wife's views since she came here have changed dramatically. We are all fed different ideas/viewpoints based on culture, government etc...


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my mom's german
so is my german teacher oneeye
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Sorry, I should have linked to the main article in my earlier post:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7855216.stm

The background to the story is that the US has a LOT to do with Poland right now, because the Bush adminstration wanted to load the country up with US radars and interceptors. Hence Russia getting in a panic.

Maybe you missed it in the US news, as the election coverage probably overwhelmed other stuff?
I'm sure the whole world is kind of on alert of Russia right now. I saw a servey that said %70 of the population of Russia consider Stalin to be a nobal man. I will try to find the link to prove it. I don't know about you, but that is a scary thought. Stalin? A nobal man? That's a scary thought.
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Poland wants to join NATO
Dude... We are in NATO for a decade now biggrin

And yeah, Russia has a problem with this anti-missile system that is supposed to be partialy on our soil. Which, for the record, I find amusing. Really, they seem to miss times when they told us what to do (like when Poland was for a period erased from the map of the world). And this is true for many nations in their vicinity. Long live the empire. Heh.

Anyway. Now it is also Obama's headache wink
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Tarn wrote:

Rockfilmers wrote:

One interesting development that was on the news this morning is that Russia has halted its plans to put missile silos on the Polish border, citing a change in US attitude since the administration changed.
I honestly don't under stand this. The US has nothing to do with Poland right now.
Sorry, I should have linked to the main article in my earlier post:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7855216.stm

The background to the story is that the US has a LOT to do with Poland right now, because the Bush adminstration wanted to load the country up with US radars and interceptors. Hence Russia getting in a panic.

Maybe you missed it in the US news, as the election coverage probably overwhelmed other stuff?
Because radar and interceptors are really a threat to Russia ....not.

I think that Russian nuclear weapons might be a little bit more dangerous than some radar systems... frown
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Well the whole point of radar is to detect if Russia tries anything fishy. If they decide to launch an airborne attack at the US or any of our allies, I would really like to know about it before hand, wouldn't you? (Putin was starting to scare me, BTW. USSR 2?) frown
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Rockfilmers wrote:

Putin was starting to scare me
Was? IS! neutral
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Was. Putin's not in office any more. He's now the Chairmen (What ever that is)
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And Prime Minister...
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Yeah, Russia do seem to be longing for the "good old days", which is a tad worrying.

I don't really understand the whole Putin thing. The propaganda they whip up around him is so cheesy it beggars belief. Judo master? Expert bear hunter? Naked to the waist photos of him 'in the wild', like an extra from Rambo? It's just bizarre!

The stuff the US wanted to put into Poland was primarily due to the perceived threat in Iran, not Russia.
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As for Putin - I don't think that him no longer being president changes anything really. My opinion.
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fertesz wrote:

As for Putin - I don't think that him no longer being president changes anything really. My opinion.
You are right, he's still pulling the strings. His move into the Prime Minister's office was a very poor attempt to show he's not a complete powermonger. But anyone getting scared about the Russians really should do some research and work out where they are coming from. I saw a very revealing documentary once that helped me understand greatly why Russia is the way it is.

This does remind me of a great Private Eye cover page once where the headline ran..

PUTIN'S FAREWELL SPEECH: "Hello, I'm back."
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Poland was part of the Warsaw Pact (Quit obvious if you know geography)but were you guys considered a separate nation, or were all the communist countries in east Europe part of the USSR? I know a lot of Europe gets most of their oil from Russia, which could be used to lure people back to them. That would really suck. burst
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Going back to the debate of a few pages back, regarding how opinions can change drastically as you get older, I thought this article might be of relevant interest:

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn16535-why-teenagers-cant-see-your-point-of-view.html?DCMP=OTC-rss&nsref=online-news
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Boy has this changed from the original topic. wink
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Throwing bad money at bad business by people that are not in business is well... BAD.... So far I think Obama is clueless and I fear it will only get worse. Just so I'm on record: I believe he will be considered one of the worst Presidents in American history, many already believe it. Just to get back on topic.
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Moonloon1 wrote:

Throwing bad money at bad business by people that are not in business is well... BAD.... So far I think Obama is clueless and I fear it will only get worse. Just so I'm on record: I believe he will be considered one of the worst Presidents in American history, many already believe it. Just to get back on topic.
Yeah, you're absolutely right. All of these bailoputs- I can't keep them straight. One minute he says it's an 'imperfect stimulus bill' but we need to get it through quickly. Amnd the next minute he's shooting baskets. I mean if you need more time to make the stimulus better, then do it. Thats fine. Cut back on the b-ball a little and help the country.

Also, this whole thing with the veteran and soldiers' healthcare no longer being paid for by the gov't, I mean, come on already! Are you serious? I know it may be a lot of dough to do this, but maybe cut out a useless stimulus bill (lots to choose from) and save money there.

I am very disappointed with Obama's administartaion and expected better. Even though I didn't support him, I thought he'd be better than this! Some of the stuff he wants to do- I mean it must be a joke! I'
d be laughing if ikt weren't so serious. His mistakes today are going to have be paid for by your kids, grandkids, and their kids, etc. But, whatever. I guess I'm just dumb for wanting McCain as prez. wink
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Going back to the debate of a few pages back, regarding how opinions can change drastically as you get older, I thought this article might be of relevant interest:

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn16535-why-teenagers-cant-see-your-point-of-view.html?DCMP=OTC-rss&nsref=online-news
Brilliant article! Very very interesting. We got introduced to similar studies at university (being a teacher for teenagers their cognital abilities obviously are important in the study). Definately something to look into.
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Here there!
Of course, when I see a political thread, I cringe. I always get myself involved and generally regret it later. I guess I just don’t learn, but here goes-
I currently live in the United States and I used to like to believe that it is one of the best countries in the world. The great freedom and choices we are given is amazing. I love the fact that anyone can be anything they want to if they work hard enough. Anyone can move up in status, job, etc. The right to vote, the freedom of speech, and the freedom of the press and religious freedom are some of the great freedoms we Americans are allowed. Compared to other countries around the world, we have great freedom and are able to take part in our countries’ government and decisions.
First off, let me say that I think that it is great that we have an African American president. Although I absolutely did not support him (based completely on his stances on major issues) it is a great testimony to our freedom and ability to be anything we want to be. That said, I must say that I am very disappointed in the current administration (before the hard core liberals go after me, please let me explain) smile

My issues with Obama are as follows:
1.The Stimulus’ and bailouts are out of control (government is taking over businesses, buy assets, giving tax payer money to others who were irresponsible, etc)
2.Closing Gitmo was not a great idea either. It will accomplish nothing. These wartime prisoners and terrorists may be being tortured here, but don’t be naive. The exact same thing is happening in other federal prisons around the country. Sure, they’ll close Gitmo but only to say they did something. Nothing will be done. It will still happen, just inside our borders this time.
3.With democrats in the complete majority in Congress and with the presidency, there is no check on power. The same thing when Bush was in office for his first term. These democrats can do anything they want. They have the majority. This could be dangerous. They are going to drive the country into the ground and future generations are going to be crushed by their radical spending today.
4.Taking health benefits from soldiers and making them pay for medical care? Give me a break! They’re expected to fight and some die for our country and the gov’t can’t give the health care? Honestly!
Sorry to vent. I hope for the sake of our country that the Obama administration turns things around. I sincerely do. However, in order to do that, he’s gonna have to abandon many of his policies. Not going to happen. Just my thoughts. Oh well. What can you do?

Some of my advice to people in this economic mess:
-Don’t buy things you don’t need if you don’t have the money. That leaves money for the important things. The necessities.
-Going to the store and getting that 40” 1080p HDTV that is advertised at Best Buy for 0% interest until 2010 is okay if you have the dough. But the issue is that people who don’t have the money go and buy it, and then spend the 1100 on something else. Then 2010 comes and they don’t have the money. Because they spent it on Bob-Sue’s computer. The smart thing: get the TV interest free. Put that cash in the bank and make interest on it. Leave it there. Don’t spend it until the payment is needed in 20190.
-Attention gov’t: lower taxes. Give stimulus checks. At least until we’re out of the mess. Give small businesses a tax break. Tax the big companies that are moving out of the country (to help other countries economies since it’s cheaper)and leaving behind lots of unemployment.
-Above all: Don’t panic. We’ll get through it. We have gotten through bigger messes before. And without the bailouts I might add.

Lets also recall what George Washington said: “Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master.”

Here’s to the Red, White, and Blue. The home of the brave. The land of the free. Let keep it that way. “We all get a chance. Everybody gets to dance. Only in America!” –Brooks and Dunn
“It’s a high school prom, it’s a Springsteen song, it’s a ride in a Chevrolet, it’s a man on the moon, and fireflies in June. In cities and farms its open arms. One nation under God. It’s AMERICA!!”-Rodney Atkins Oh yeah! Lets rock!

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DVStudio wrote:

These democrats can do anything they want. They have the majority. This could be dangerous. They are going to drive the country into the ground and future generations are going to be crushed by their radical spending today.
Now I don't mean to sound harsh and biased, but that's exactly what Bush and the Republicans did, and future generations are going to suffer from their mistakes. Hmmm... I wonder why the Democrats have a majority now. It's dangerous?! The Republicans had their chance, and they completely proved how dangerous their majority was. It's a darn good thing the Dems have a majority now... it'll be so much easier to fix things.

Obama is doing a great job so far... getting rid of all Bush's pathetic policies, and trying to fix the economy. But seriously, are we going to criticize him for whatever he tries to do to fix it, when the country is billions of dollars in debt due to other people's faults? I don't think anyone's in position to judge how Obama's economic policies are going to turn out, until long after his presidency is over. He alone cannot fix the problem... he's doing his best now, but we're going to have to deal with Bush's mistakes for years to come.

If anyone can get us out of this mess, it will be Obama. I sure hope he can, because otherwise, I don't know how the heck I'm going to pay for college. smile

And DVStudio, Obama has said he will do everything you mention about taxes in "attention gov't". Under his plan, small businesses will get tax breaks and 97% of Americans will be paying lower taxes.

EDIT: A suggestion on renewable energy... theoretically, if the country embraced solar and wind power, eliminating fossil fuel expenses, wouldn't we eventually break out of the debt? Sure it would cost a lot to set up, but we're already billions of dollars in debt, and we'll eventually be able to pay everything off because we've largely eliminated energy expenses. Is my logic sound in this?
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I think much more so than just the economic benefits (of course those are useful in getting pesky idiots to sign off on it), I think environmental issues are much more important than any other issue right now. If we don't put a halt to this rape of the natural world, we won't have an economy to worry about at all. unsure
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I think much more so than just the economic benefits (of course those are useful in getting pesky idiots to sign off on it), I think environmental issues are much more important than any other issue right now. If we don't put a halt to this rape of the natural world, we won't have an economy to worry about at all. unsure
Exactly. So many people don't understand, or just plain overlook the current environmental crisis. We really need to switch to clean, renewable energy. It would easily go hand in hand with the economy... we're already billions of dollars in debt, so why not invest a little more and insure the environmental and economic well being of the future?
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Under his plan, small businesses will get tax breaks and 97% of Americans will be paying lower taxes.
I really don't agree at all with any of your points, but I don't agree with the republicans either...But as I recall the democratic held congress had a lower approval rating that Bush did.

In any event, your above statement cannot possibly be true. Not even 97% of Americans even pay taxes. Sure, you may notice that they take out a portion of your paycheck...However, a good number of us will be not only getting that money back but also other money depending on our situation at home/work what have you.

I'm not saying Obama's plan is either good or bad. Frankly, I have every reason in the world to hope it succeeds and does get us turned around. But your above statement just can't be true.

Edit: Googled this lil factoid...Under current tax laws, IRS statistics for 2006 show that 45.6 million tax filers, essentially one-third of all filers, have no tax liability after taking their credits and deductions. “For good or ill,” notes the Tax Foundation, “this is a dramatic 57 percent increase since 2000 in the number of Americans who pay no personal income taxes.”
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jawajohnny wrote:

Evman wrote:

I think much more so than just the economic benefits (of course those are useful in getting pesky idiots to sign off on it), I think environmental issues are much more important than any other issue right now. If we don't put a halt to this rape of the natural world, we won't have an economy to worry about at all. unsure
Exactly. So many people don't understand, or just plain overlook the current environmental crisis.
I always think it's due to a lack of science fiction/speculative fiction/imagination in their entertainment while growing up. A lot of people just can't conceive of a reality so drastically different from where they are in the present, because all they've ever encountered is contemporary fact and fiction.

There's a reason that lots of the most brilliant scientists and people at NASA grew up watching Star Trek.