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Posted: Thu, 22nd Jan 2009, 11:46pm

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UPDATE 04/09
A few new updates and points to go over here, guys. First off, thanks for your patience and enthusiasm with the project- we've been stalled during school and work to get it pushed out, but I assure you the sequel is coming and better than ever. Thanks to everyone who has asked and supported it!


-First and foremost, the first poster for the film is up, with a slight villain spoiler:


(If you really like it, the high-quality version can be found here. smile)

-The community has really helped on this one, and I'd like to acknowledge that. Aside from just general motivation and support, on this project we've got a lot of user tie-ins. Fxhomer Tommy Gundersen is providing a musical piece for the movie, Fxhomer 'Fill' co-wrote the script, 'coldside' has done some of the VFX work, and Bryan M Block is providing a performance as Detective Bullock; a part we turned to him for after seeing his excellent work in AIDAN 5. So there's all that to applaud and look forward to! smile

-The spec date initially put on the trailer was Valentine's Day, which we've obviously passed, but right now we can look towards an early-to-mid May release- perfect for kicking off the blockbuster summer season.

-Perhaps the more bittersweet news, then, is that we will not be moving on into a third movie. Although we set the second one up (ala Matrix Reloaded/Revolutions or Pirates 2/3 style) to segue directly into a finale film; the Batman team has reached creative odds on doing another fanfilm and we've decided to not push forward. If anyone was interested in the direction it would've gone: We were thinking Mr. Freeze as a villain, played by Willie Buggs (from Pages) as a smash-and-grab-style convenience store robber with a liquid nitrogen-spouting, sawed-off shotgun. But......it's not moving forward so you'll all just have to dream of what that would look like all atomic-y. biggrin Instead we've expanded the second film slightly to be more cohesive as a standalone moving; and hope you'll like it even more.

Annnnnnnnnnd that's about it for now. Hope you guys like the poster and get ready for the movie. It'll be here soon enough!
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Hey guys, we've been working on a few things lately and have a teaser trailer for our newest endeavor, our Batman sequel under the working title 'The Winged Crusade' up. Check it out!

Atomic Teaser Trailer (YouTube)
Atomic Teaser Trailer (Quicktime)


Benjamin Davis' reprising his role as Batman, in an iconic stance.

Tell us what ya think!

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Posted: Thu, 22nd Jan 2009, 11:48pm

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Quicktime version
http://ben3308.com/videofiles/wingedtrailer%201-VideoWrap.mp4


Posted: Fri, 23rd Jan 2009, 3:32am

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Was that the riddler at 0:20? Looks pretty sweet.
Posted: Fri, 23rd Jan 2009, 3:47am

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Good question FE, and is batman's cape a trash bag? I thought it was awesome and can't wait till it premieres! Is robin gonna be in it?
Posted: Fri, 23rd Jan 2009, 3:51am

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Biblmac wrote:

is batman's cape a trash bag?
someone posted that on youtube as well. Coincidence? Also is this giant blobby guy Clayface?

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Posted: Fri, 23rd Jan 2009, 4:02am

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The riddler thing or the garbage bag, cause the trash bag thing was me.
Posted: Fri, 23rd Jan 2009, 4:48am

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Nice! biggrin
Awesome job on Clayface. eek
Posted: Fri, 23rd Jan 2009, 5:00am

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Biblmac wrote:

Good question FE, and is batman's cape a trash bag? I thought it was awesome and can't wait till it premieres! Is robin gonna be in it?
Haha, no no no Batman's cape isn't a trashbag. I certainly hope it doesn't appear as cheap or makeshift as a trashbag either. unsure It's a stunt cape, meaning it's lighter so it moves more heroically during jumps and such. At least, it's supposed to.

And, no, Robin won't be in this one. Maybe the next one. It's a trilogy, after all. wink Glad everyone likes it so far, as it says it's just a teaser trailer for now- the expected slated release date for the full movie is Valentine's Day. As for the Riddler's inclusion, I can't say- Clayface is the confirmed villain in this one. Hopefully the suit we painstakingly created for his character is realistic/convincing enough. smile
Posted: Fri, 23rd Jan 2009, 7:06am

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Hey guys, thanks for all the comments and support. It means a lot!

As far as I'm concerned, Clayface (and that is who the globby-faced man is) is the only villain in this one. We can't introduce too many characters, otherwise we end up like Spiderman 3. biggrin I really wanted to make Clayface a pivotal character in our Batman saga, because he was the most memorable character to me when I was about 5 or 6 back when I watched the animated series on TV. I wanted to inject him into our 'world' or 'version' of Batman with a backstory similar to that of the animated series, but after filming I've found the character is more superficial and mysterious, which I liked. His origins will be revealed in the third film, I think.

Our 'rendition' of him is more human, more realistic, though I tried (and tried dearly!) to make it closer to the animated version, which looked like this....

....and was much more hulking and large; with a toothed smile and bright yellow eyes. As I constructed the costume, though, it appeared too costly and too difficult to create a suit (most especially a mask) like that that would allow for a lot of wear and tear and still be relatively cheap. So we settled on a less hulking, more realistic version similar to what Alex Ross drew.

The black, gaping eyes and more human appearance are much more frightening, and I think people will like it.

Also, Batman's cape isn't a trash bag, but I'll agree it's similar in appearance. That being said, I think you'll find in the final film the cape's glossy sheen really works well with the new, more armor-plated batsuit and eyepieces. It did, however, become more wrinkled as time went on with the shoot, and I believe that these views of the cape will have to be gradiented-over in post-production.

The idea with the two following films, specifically this one, is to go as high production value as we can with the time and money we have (which is little, but still). I sincerely hope the teaser captures your interest and I think I speak for all of my crew when I say that I welcome your continuing support for the project upon release. It was an on-a-whim idea of mine to extend our Batman universe back just two weeks ago, and after just a few days of planning (I'm back in college now) we got some great results. I just hope they pay off! biggrin

Also, as to the questions about Robin:

No, he is not in this, as this film will be a bit shorter and more concise (albeit action-packed) than the previous one. Even so, I have very, very strong plans to include him in the next film. However, the third film has yet to be scripted and I'm not 100% sure how soon we can promise a release. The second film, though, should still be enthralling enough. wink

You could be bold enough to say that, yes, we've just now begun the hype machine on this film; because our last effort was both negatively and shortly received. This time, we've waited until we're a good bit done with the film before releasing anything about it.
Posted: Fri, 23rd Jan 2009, 9:56am

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Didn't like the music and I'm a little concerned that Clayface will end up looking more like Turdman, despite the evident effort put into the suit, but otherwise this was a pretty cool teaser. Not really enough substance to be a full trailer, though.

Some nice shots, and the costumes and locations look fab. Though the opening shot of Batman falls a little flat due to the amusing expression on the actor's face. I tend to think of Batman with a closed, pursed mouth of vengeance, not a gawping, toothless mouth of slight confusion. razz In context of the film I imagine that shot will be fine, but as your very first shot of Bats in this teaser it could have done with a bit more punch to make it more iconic.

Looks like this could be fun though. Will it be more dynamic and less talky than the last one?

Also, will the Clayface actor's hands be covered up for the final version?

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Posted: Fri, 23rd Jan 2009, 10:14am

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While I have no doubt this comment is of little use to you so late in the day... Your batman needs to be taller.

Normally I'd be sarcastically pointing out how cute your short, dumpy Batman is, but in the light of TDK, its now just a rather frustrating failure. Why? Because your Batman resembles the tragically murdered, desperate, fat Copycat Batmen from TDK. Having a lead actor who more closely resembles his poor imitations, characters who were dwelt upon in TDK and highlighted to be pathetic and flawed, seems rather short-sighted casting. I appreciate this is a team of friends, but still.

Moving on...

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Posted: Fri, 23rd Jan 2009, 10:20am

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Unless, of course, in this film or the 3rd film in the trilogy, you reveal that your Batman actually isn't Batman and is just one of the copycats.

If you did that it would be a genius twist, and I would bestow you with much respect and agreeable nods.
Posted: Fri, 23rd Jan 2009, 11:08am

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I am impressed you even attept Clayface. He is definitely not the "easiest" character to put in low-budget fanfilm. Doeasn't look bad, wonder how he will turn up in the movie.
Posted: Fri, 23rd Jan 2009, 2:26pm

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Atom wrote:

no no no Batman's cape isn't a trashbag. I certainly hope it doesn't appear as cheap or makeshift as a trashbag either. unsure It's a stunt cape, meaning it's lighter so it moves more heroically during jumps and such. At least, it's supposed to.
Well it was a little bigger than most trash bags but it was glossy and wrinkled, so I just thought it could've been. Now I am excited! Sounds like it will be good! I am looking forward to it.
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It looks great, not perfect, but exciting. I would like to know why you chose to use the legendary 'Ecstasy of Gold' in the teaser; it really sucks the Batman vibe out of it. Unless it's relevant to the story, of course.
Posted: Fri, 23rd Jan 2009, 5:20pm

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Good stuff, looks as though this one is a little more action packed than your previous entry so I'm looking forward to seeing what you guys come up with.

Only thing I'll say is that the (riddler's?) voice could have done with a little more... presence and gravitas.

Hopefully I'll be able to sneak a viewing in admist the Valentine's day obligations wink

Best of luck with whatever you have left to do,
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Posted: Fri, 23rd Jan 2009, 5:53pm

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Very cool stuff.

Not much I can say after that, though I will say Batman's cape doesn't look like a trash bag.
Posted: Fri, 23rd Jan 2009, 6:33pm

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This looks great! The quicktime trailer was a little dark, but I guess that's the style you guys are going for... ?
Posted: Fri, 23rd Jan 2009, 6:43pm

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Lookin forward to it, guys (which is to be expected ha). Our next episode of Elseworlds actually features good ol' Bruce as well. Not to mention some other iconic faves (some not pictured).

Posted: Fri, 23rd Jan 2009, 7:04pm

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Xcession wrote:

While I have no doubt this comment is of little use to you so late in the day... Your batman needs to be taller.

Normally I'd be sarcastically pointing out how cute your short, dumpy Batman is, but in the light of TDK, its now just a rather frustrating failure.
While I appreciate your concerns over casting, I'm not okay with you insulting - albeit indirectly - the actor and my friend. That comes off as very unnecessary to me. This being said, I want to thank you for still taking the time to watch and leave feedback on the teaser. Seeing as this is so brief and it doesn't, intentionally, show a lot, I'm not sure from where these conclusions are being drawn about the actors and costuming; but suppose these will be resolved when you see the film.

Also, the image I attached is some pre-viz work created almost wholly in Photoshop prior to creating the actual costume. Rest assured, the real suit looks much less turdlike and much more.......grotesque in presence, which you can partly tell from the teaser. There hands, assuredly, are gloved and not exposed.

Anyhow, thanks everyone for your help and support, I know the entire crew here in Texas appreciates it. I really reached for the stars conceptually on this one, and even though some mistakes have been made in execution, I'm confident that most will like, if not enjoy the film. This one is definitely larger and more thought through than our previous effort.
Posted: Fri, 23rd Jan 2009, 9:05pm

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Congrat's on getting another short film made, always an achievement in itself.
That said, as a teaser I found it underwhelming and that the music didn't fit at all well.

I will of course reserve any further critique until the final film is released.

All the best,
Mantra
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lol am I the only one who though the music was an almost perfect match for the trailer? Anyways, how come you guys are ''not sure'' about using Robin when he's in the trailer?
Posted: Fri, 23rd Jan 2009, 9:45pm

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That's not Robin, it's the dark knight after his mask is ripped off. Not going to give anything away, though.
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That's my favorite Ennio Morricone song, but I have to agree that it doesn't fit here.
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I think the music (up until the voice of the girl singing) works perfectly with the trailer. Probably would have worked better if you looped it some how or found a part with out her voice over the sound/beat.

There are two things that take me out of this pretty quick though.

1.) The actor playing Batman just doesn't look the part. I think it's because he's just too young. You think Bruce Wayne, you think at least 30+. Having the mask on always helps skew age but I think it might have been a mistake showing the actor without his mask (because as others did, I thought that was Robin in this trailer too). I just hope the reason for the mask removal helps the story more than seeing how young he looks hurts it.

2.) The whole "Dolly-esque" shots that your doing don't work for me ( 00:14 & 00:18 ). It's not that its because they are hand held, it's because they are so obviously hand held. When you can see the footsteps or "trips" from the cameraman in the camera movement, it can kill it for me (Unless there is a specific reason for this in a movie). If I know I don't have a means of doing a smooth-enough-dolly-esque shot, I usually leave it out... I dunno. Another way of helping this is just becoming more comfortable with your camera and moving around with it. I try to be really conscious of camera shake when I'm shooting.

Other than that, I'm excited to see another comic adaptation (though this is kinda an adaptation of an adaptation ha). Best of luck. You have balls for trying to bring in Clayface. (I thought that was him in those sketches of yours. Combined with your thread about the how-to on the grappling gun; I don't know how I didn't piece together that you were doing another Batman film ha.
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CX3 wrote:

I find it funny how you have the 2 girls on either side of you like a true player, and the guys are on the side wink.

And I loved the trailer, the fist Batman short was very well done, I enjoyed it immensely, and hopefully from the trailer it will be as good and surpass it!
Posted: Sat, 24th Jan 2009, 3:01am

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Thanks for the tips, Chris, always appreciated.

I couldn't agree more on the dolly-esque point, which is why the clip of Batman jumping on the box that you see in the teaser was left out of the actual film. We thought it was just 'Batman' enough for the trailer, though, so that's why you see it here. The other shot, however, I think you will find works really well in the overall thing, as it is intercut with another oscillating angle that males the motion considerablyess unnatural feeling.

Thanks again, everyone!
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Well I was going to say a lot of what everyone else said, BUT because its already been said I see no need to. I hope this project works well for you guys, looking forward to seeing more of it!
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hey guys, glad you guys are still pumping them out! smile
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A few thoughts:

The opening music (Morricone, great choice) works really well and gives a nice amount of mood and tension and has that great feel of "things to come". Excellent choice.

The first shot of Batmans face is, unfortunately, more amusing then anything else. I second xcessions and Tarn's comments. The facial expression of Batman there has a funny "huh? me batman, you jane" feel to it which pretty much kills all the tension built up so far.
And still, your Batman, even in costume, just doesn't look the part. He reminds me of the guys in TDK at the beginning who tried to look like Batman but ultimately looked dorky. (the facial expression doesn't help, obviously). Not sure how to correct that one though. Maybe show less closeups, light more harshly and obviously, make your actor act appropriately.
The costume however, is very nice and does look the part!

The following dolly-shot is of very poor quality imo. It's heavily shaky. The Batmans movement however does the trick and makes this look cool. But the dubiously bad camerawork takes away a lot of the shots impact.

The following shots suffer from the same thing: The sense for light and color is there, but only partially. A nice mixture of warmer and colder colors (which is something I always like. I find that blue and red/greenish colors mix really well), but some parts of the frame are overlight and mostly, your gamma-range off. Pretty much all the shots are just WAY too dark.

There's also an editing mistake in the montage: The shot of the "robin-esque" guy is a jumpcut or at least appears to be one: the fight between whoever against whoever, can't tell because it's so dark, is pretty much the same perspective as the following shot of the guy who looks like Robin. There's no technical justification for a jumpcut in a montage like that, even if you made that decision consciously, which I doubt. Simply changing the order of some shots could solve that.

The shot after the robin-guy is great (the one having two silhouttes staring at each other). Here, the darkness actually makes visual sense and feels properly applied. The dolly movement also works steadily and the total sense of light and color for the shot is just right. This is your best shot in that trailer. I really, really like that one.

The shot with Batman standing up has a proper feel of closure and works. It's also well light and framed.

The music however, which was your strongest point in the intro, has already changed it's musical feel and is no longer appropriate to a Batman film. it looses it's musical connection to a figure like batman the moment the drums set in (no musician in his right mind would write a musical score like that to a Batman movie smile ) and loses it completely when the high choire starts.

So all in all, I find the trailer a mix of promising work and rushed work. I hope the complete film will feature more of the good parts and the good shots and less of the rather obviously technical mistakes this trailer did.
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Sollthar, just an FYI, the robin-guy (who is Batman) jumps at a mirror, then we jumpcut to him looking around, puzzled. Both shots ARE of him, from the same angle. The jumpcut is only there so that we can quickly infer that he is trapped in said room.

As always, though, thanks for the comments!
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________________________________________________________________________
UPDATE 04/09
A few new updates and points to go over here, guys. First off, thanks for your patience and enthusiasm with the project- we've been stalled during school and work to get it pushed out, but I assure you the sequel is coming and better than ever. Thanks to everyone who has asked and supported it!


-First and foremost, the first poster for the film is up, with a slight villain spoiler:


(If you really like it, the high-quality version can be found here. smile)

-The community has really helped on this one, and I'd like to acknowledge that. Aside from just general motivation and support, on this project we've got a lot of user tie-ins. Fxhomer Tommy Gundersen is providing a musical piece for the movie, Fxhomer 'Fill' co-wrote the script, 'coldside' has done some of the VFX work, and Bryan M Block is providing a performance as Detective Bullock; a part we turned to him for after seeing his excellent work in AIDAN 5. So there's all that to applaud and look forward to! smile

-The spec date initially put on the trailer was Valentine's Day, which we've obviously passed, but right now we can look towards an early-to-mid May release- perfect for kicking off the blockbuster summer season.

-Perhaps the more bittersweet news, then, is that we will not be moving on into a third movie. Although we set the second one up (ala Matrix Reloaded/Revolutions or Pirates 2/3 style) to segue directly into a finale film; the Batman team has reached creative odds on doing another fanfilm and we've decided to not push forward. If anyone was interested in the direction it would've gone: We were thinking Mr. Freeze as a villain, played by Willie Buggs (from Pages) as a smash-and-grab-style convenience store robber with a liquid nitrogen-spouting, sawed-off shotgun. But......it's not moving forward so you'll all just have to dream of what that would look like all atomic-y. biggrin Instead we've expanded the second film slightly to be more cohesive as a standalone moving; and hope you'll like it even more.

Annnnnnnnnnd that's about it for now. Hope you guys like the poster and get ready for the movie. It'll be here soon enough!
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Hot... damn. Nice to see the project is indeed moving forward. Great poster, too, which makes me intensely curious as to how you made it.
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Awesome... very awesome.
Can't wait for your movie to be done.
Great job on the movie poster, it's beyond pro looking.
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Cool poster, same design as Batman Forever but without the garish neon camp.

Also great to hear how the community has collaborated on the project; we need more of these kind of cooperative projects, if you ask me!

I like the idea of Bryan playing a detective character in loads of unconnected FXhomer films. Maybe the Aidan clones discovered some kind of dimension hopping ability. smile
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Tarn wrote:

I like the idea of Bryan playing a detective character in loads of unconnected FXhomer films. Maybe the Aidan clones discovered some kind of dimension hopping ability. smile
Just wait until you see who he's voicing in our upcoming Watchmen short film

What? You say something? biggrin
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A few other poster variations, after realizing how much like the Batman Forever poster the initial one was. Thanks for that, Tarn. It's got cleaned up text and a slightly different color palette. Here they are:




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Posted: Fri, 3rd Apr 2009, 1:19am

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Just wait until you see who he's voicing in our upcoming Watchmen short film
Watchmen, eh? I'm sure you just want an excuse to film naked men that glow blue.. wink
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Thrawn wrote:

Just wait until you see who he's voicing in our upcoming Watchmen short film
Watchmen, eh? I'm sure you just want an excuse to film naked men that glow blue.. wink
Don't forget to cast Jack...

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Let me just say that for all of the nit-picks and "flaws" - I think it looks very good. Part of doing these things is for people to do things they wouldn't get to do otherwise, so if your Batman isn't Bale, or Clooney, or Kilmer, or Keaton- I don't care. Like most of us, your Oscar winning film is probably many, many years in your future with lots of learning and mis-steps, compromises, lessons, and criticism along the way. I have a whole slew of Bryanism's and creative mantras that I turn to when doing creative work (and which are part of a workshop I am developing) and you have applied two of them nicely here:

1. Never let your materials limit your vision.
2. Creativity is a work ethic.

I'll try to get you the pieces I said I would very soon.
Posted: Mon, 18th May 2009, 6:06am

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coldside

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Comeon guys. Where is it? biggrin
Posted: Mon, 18th May 2009, 8:07am

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Yeah, sorry for not updating. Got pushed back a little bit due to some family emergencies and bits not being able to be filmed until recently. Still tentatively set for a May completion, though. Depends on the editing process, really, and how lazy I decide to be. wink

Either way, thanks again for your help, coldside!